| I hope the answer is: Because they saved all that money to make Dragonball Super look freaking awesome. |
aasgo123 said: Maybe they don't have enough money to have better animation for long running titles. They did a fine job for the recen DBZ movies They really didn't, they look average as fuck, compared to, say, One Piece movies. Most of the original 13 DB movies looked much better. |
| Well they've got their hands across the entire world with worldwide shows like DBZ and co. But I dont know why they dont spend that huge amount of money on something decent. |
Imeon said: j0x said: are you sure? you are blaming the character design for the poor animation? They did what they're asked to do. Blame the company (Toei Japan) for tolerating poor standards, if it was poor standard. It won't matter anyway. One Piece has millions of fans and most of them won't even care to think of its animation. I have casual friends wno are OP fanboys and they don't even notice OP's mediocre animation. |
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Klad said: Well they've got their hands across the entire world with worldwide shows like DBZ and co. But I dont know why they dont spend that huge amount of money on something decent. Because they're greedy and they know shows like DBZ and OP sell with the name alone. They use their quality animators most often on shows that aren't as popular as those two like Precure, hence why it looks so much better than any recent DBZ or OP material (barring their movies). I'm 98% sure DB Super will look crap. |
| Because their shows print money with minimal effort. Why waste funds into making a show look good when that wouldn't change the toy sales much. |
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| Probably cuz they're lazy fucks Gator said: I hope the answer is: Because they saved all that money to make Dragonball Super look freaking awesome. The day TOEI makes a TV Series that looks "awesome" is probably the day Uwe Boll makes an adaptation that does'nt suck FGAU1912 said: 10 weeks on prime time slo alone costs mere than the whole production and casting of 26 week kyo ani or ufotabe shows combined im not over estimating that that is fact 26 weeks of late night coast max 50k per week for the slot os it after 24;01 that its cast while one week of prime time costs just over 1.2 mlioon per week Yet with twice that Budget they make stuff that look 10 times worse Seriously, their shows look more like slideshows and fan-videos made on Movie Maker |
King_of_HereticsMay 27, 2015 5:00 AM
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DrizzyXP said: Because they're greedy and they know shows like DBZ and OP sell with the name alone. They use their quality animators most often on shows that aren't as popular as those two like Precure, hence why it looks so much better than any recent DBZ or OP material (barring their movies). That's a dumb assumption. Difference between their popularity or at least OP and Precure is not that big. Precure is fairly popular. Animation quality has nothing to do with any show's popularity. |
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They are pretty much the best when it comes to substantial drops in quality that's for sure.  |
| Because they don't feel like putting more money into it. |
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JD2411 said: It's probably because most of their shows are insanely popular like one piece and conan Toei doesn't produce Conan. |
AgafinMay 27, 2015 5:39 AM
| I don't really think that their animators lack talent because their expensive GGI movies have glorious animation. They probably just aren't paid enough for the regular tv series. Time and number of episodes too don't seem to be the problem since Sailormoon crystal was a bi weekly seasonal series and yet had crap animation. |
FGAU1912 said: [/spoiler][spoiler] King_of_Devils said: Probably cuz they're lazy fucks The day TOEI makes a TV Series that looks "awesome" is probably the day Uwe Boll makes an adaptation that does'nt suck Yet with twice that Budget they make stuff that look 10 times worse Seriously, their shows look more like slideshows and fan-videos made on Movie Maker you fail t se how things work if you have a slot that costs 50k v one that costs over 1 mliion most of the cost of toei shows goe to making merch and pay for the slot over all a 500 episode weekly show over ots run can cost very 500 mlioon [ over 10 or so years] that is not over estmation a slot in the top rpime times ie [ 14;59- 17;59 or 19;01- 21;59 [ wil cost over 1 mlioon usd per week while minor prime tme/morning prime time costs aound 500-800k per week for slot alone to this day So basically, the actual animation is like 200K (by your eastimate) and the rest is for Timeslot and making toys?? Also, how to Kyoto Animation (and all those other "laet nihgt anime" studios you go out of your way to bash) pay for Timeslot and Merchandise?? |
King_of_HereticsMay 27, 2015 7:14 AM
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FGAU1912 said: King_of_Devils said: [/spoiler] So basically, the actual animation is like 200K (by your eastimate) and the rest is for Timeslot and making toys?? Also, how to Kyoto Animation (and all those other "laet nihgt anime" studios you go out of your way to bash) pay for Timeslot and Merchandise?? yes aorund that tits inly around 50 max for late night network tv slot and around max 0f 20k ofr the same time slot on slot on satalite or cable tv were even in prime time stuff a slot wil never go for over 500k the big 5 networks still dominate Japanese tv or 6 if you in culd NHK For once, that was actually pretty helpful. I never did know how Timeslots and whatnot worked. Thanks Ofc On Topic: That does'nt make TOEI any less crap to me |
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King_of_Devils said: Kyousougiga looks pretty fantastic and its from Toei, although it was directed by Rie Matsumoto who is currently directing Kekkai Sensen at Bones which also has fantastic visuals.The day TOEI makes a TV Series that looks "awesome" is probably the day Uwe Boll makes an adaptation that does'nt suck |
| limited budget and more costs |
 But you'll still take damage! |
DejWo said: But can director influence the visuals that much? Seems like it (i.e Shinbou, Yuusa) Looking good, is not only depended on budget. |
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| Haha, Toei is rich as shit. They just don't care because they know that no matter how much effort they put, at the end of the day One Piece will sell because it's "One Piece". Ps. Toei sucks. |
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Doflamingo45 said: ^ Has one Piece in favorites... Just sayin'Haha, Toei is rich as shit. They just don't care because they know that no matter how much effort they put, at the end of the day One Piece will sell because it's "One Piece". Ps. Toei sucks. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Doflamingo45 said: ^ Has one Piece in favorites... Just sayin'Haha, Toei is rich as shit. They just don't care because they know that no matter how much effort they put, at the end of the day One Piece will sell because it's "One Piece". Ps. Toei sucks. It's obvious from his name that he's a OP fanboy. |
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King_of_Devils said: lol? kyousougiga, mononoke, kuchuu buranko..Gator said: I hope the answer is: Because they saved all that money to make Dragonball Super look freaking awesome. The day TOEI makes a TV Series that looks "awesome" is probably the day Uwe Boll makes an adaptation that does'nt suck also this Okiura said: Precure series are popular among sakuga fags, some episodes of Magical Doremi are as sakuga as it can get, Digimon and One piece movies of Hosoda made with Toei are masterpieces in that aspect. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Milk_is_Special said: ^ Has one Piece in favorites... Just sayin' It's obvious from his name that he's a OP fanboy. Well it says something about Toei if even an OP fanboy thinks that they suck. |
| Hxh ( 2011 ) had a freaking solid animation for the span of 148 episodes!! |
denice001 said: Hxh ( 2011 ) had a freaking solid animation for the span of 148 episodes!! Ummm... That's MadHouse not Toei :( And they do bad animation for unimportant scenes, one piece and world trigger have great animation when important scenes are adapted. |
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tsudecimo said: Tenshi_Shura said: Even ufotable has like unlimited budget and they started getting popularity since F/Z. Ufotable is not comparable to any normal studio. Ufotable works, usually have good visuals and such, because they have more time than other studios to produce one TV series, every once in a while (which is usually years, unlike other studio who produce several TV shows each season) It's not always about the budget, it's about time, scheduling, and talent. Also kara no kyoukai was godly and it had better art/ animation than any of their tv series so far (which is to be expected 'cus movies). |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Didn't read the thread so hopefully I'm not repeating what someone else already said: The long running series that Toei makes are inelastic goods. Meaning that the same amount of people will buy and watch even if there's shifts in quality- good or bad. Making the animation etc. better isn't going to increase sales, and decreasing quality won't reduce sales. Thus, it's more lucrative to make it cheap lmao and use the budget to make better films etc. EDIT: and of course they have the budget >.> |
| lmao its not all becuz of the budget but bcoz of how competent their workers are Tight schedules, rushes, some conflicts along the way, etc. shood be observed also. Source: Shirobako lol Y'all watch Shirobako |
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| Budget is the first thing that come to mind.. |
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Izanagi777 said: Budget is the first thing that come to mind.. Toei is rich. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Izanagi777 said: Budget is the first thing that come to mind.. Toei is rich. So? they still spend millions and millions on an anime, and if 3 or 4 don't live up to expectations they can easily go bankrupt, budget is important. |
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| You'd think with all that money made from DBZ they would have the best production quality .. |
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