Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 3 Discussion

anikaneki said:


in this chapter Sasaki tells porpora that mado is "on a different case" ( most likely the serpent) to which porpora states that sasaki is loose lipped as always, then when he leaves porpora says he wants to talk to sasaki about "a different case". Porpora has most likely spoke with mado since they share a relationship with amon, about the serpent, which is the only other prominent mysterious identity we know of.

Smoofie said:
For everyone who still thinks Kaneki is either dead or that Sasaki isn't kaneki.



There's your proof that Sasaki is Kaneki. Last chapter tokyo ghoul. How obvious is that.

Satan-sama said:


Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they "faked" his death in order to recruit him later with a new name after brainwashing him.

Satan-sama said:


Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they "faked" his death in order to recruit him later with a new name after brainwashing him.

Acernos said:


What is strange about this alleged brainwashing, is that usually when a character has it, he has blind obedience to anyone who does this, but not Sasaki, he knows that is not useful, the CCG will get rid of it.

and also, if he was brainwashed, why the hell he defends the rights of ghouls? would not create a more efficient rise a killing machine who hates ghouls?

Satan-sama said:


I really don't know :/ (actually no one knows), maybe they didn't brainwash him, maybe they just erased his old memories. There's a difference here.

gabyta07 said:


I like your idea, seems interesting and a possibility



As for Haise being Kaneki I do think they are the same, I'm 99% sure.
For many reasons
First the pyshical appearance
the reading
Not being able to eat human food
Big lips accusing him of being a ghoul
The way he lets Urie walk on him
Being nice to the priest even thou he loves eating children, and its creepy
Feeling sorry for the priest
Kaneki appearing in his mind several times (he was not surprised)
Close relationship with Arima

Btw, I don't see a 13 in his hand I see a 12 too.

I'll quote myself from another forum

I think that first meeting is one more proof that Sasaki could be Kaneki, plus when he "died" you can see numbers 9 and 13, meaning death and hermit.
But death in tarot can also mean regeneration and hermit also means reflection.
We can say that Kaneki like he said wants to sleep to live a dream, after all his reality really sucked.
Right now he is living a peaceful life, where he doesnt have to question himself. Nevertheless he is entering a phase where he notices that he is different, he is ghoul like.
I mean big lips accused him of being a ghoul, the way he treated the priest was like an old friend, which is weird, since the priest is really creepy, but is like he doesnt hold against him that he ate those children.
Plus Kaneki is reminding him in a way "you are a ghoul" specially by saying his name in the kakuja form.
If the number 12 is really there, then we can also say that Sasaki is indecesive about being human or ghoul.
Bc being nice to a ghoul is a no, no, no for a human.
And being a ghoul, then he has no place in CCG
which gets him back at the beginning, being alone, not belonging not here nor there.

gabyta07 said:
This is what I think

The eyes are very close to the brain, it would be seem logical that he would have a brain trauma, he forgot everything, when he woke up he didn't know who he was or where he was.

Arima enters the room, he tells him he is human, but was attacked by a ghoul, a doctor who used to work for them transplant him the organs of said ghoul.
Since the surgery is irreversible how about working for the CCG, so this doesnt happen again.
Anyway something like that.
So he is not exactly brainwashed, but the truth was twisted in favor of the CCG

stern-regen said:
Torso reminds me of Urie. Exact same haircut, unlike Tsukiyama, his fancy locks don't fit there.

Nanami said:

Actually that's pretty interesting. They kinda mentioned they can't eat [normal food] - but lazy girl and Mutsuki can, kinda.
And they love to run on their own and seek more strenght.
So it wouldn't really surprise me now if they started to "hunt" on their own. The only illogical point is they should know if they do this, they might be next to hunt... or just they might be stupid brats and think they might hide it forever.

Nanami said:
Yeah, I agree on this!
But I mean in 3rd chapter...
http://imperialscans.com/read/tokyo-ghoul-re/3-bell/4

That last panel, smaller part "we can't really eat"

Zeiva said:
3) In chapter 3, that particular panel is a huge mistranlation. Basically, Urie said to Chie "Kuenai onna", which translates to "This woman doesn't take the bait". It has nothing to do with Urie and Shirazu unable to eat.

LordPerucho said:
Now I understand how Kaneki survived, his regeneration helped him survive ala Piccolo surviving getting blasted by Cell thanks to his regeneration ability as well.

The thing is what happened after Kaneki finished regenerating, did any CCG member come back to pick up Kanekis body, heal him then brainwash him?

Dictator said:
To people that still think that Haise isn't Kaneki.


Black nails, white hair. Guess who?

Illustration said:
i dont think that means anything. Its similar to the vision kaneki had with rize. So it may be possible that part of kaneki was used to make haise a half. who knows

Dictator said:


The difference is that Kaneki met Rize before and he knew exactly what is (and from who) inside him. But I don't think Haise ever had a relationship with Kaneki.

Illustration said:
Ohh, thats a good point. But if part of kaneki is really in haise, i do see the possibility that these visions can still occur. No concrete evidence here, just what i think.

Dictator said:


So you're telling me that Haise is a medium and he can contact the half-ghoul afterlife and have visions with people he don't know?

Illustration said:
Well, this aint ghoul biology 101, and i didnt say that kaneki is dead. Are u an expert on ghoul biology>?

Dictator said:


Nah, I'm just kidding. But if Haise was supposed to have hallucinations with the original user of his ghoul parts, then it would be with Rize and not Kaneki.

gabyta07 said:
His mental state was weak, proof that when he found Arima he was smelling flowers, he wasnt in his 5 sesnses, even Yomo mentions he lost his way while walking to Anteiku.

Acernos said:


you read this in the wiki?

The Yomo said Kaneki always been strong, he was wrong and that he always used his own power in struggles, until we have an illustration of the centipede being destroyed right now, I know weak mentally characters, I read holyland, and I can say that Kaneki was not mentally weak there, he shows that when he spoke with Nishiki before entering the fight, he kicked the ass of investigators strongs , what happened to the Arima has another significance, Arima inspired fear in Kaneki due to the force him, not because Kaneki was mentally weak because of what happened to the Rise, in the best of hypotheses he was confused about what happened to Hide.

"Yomo mentions he lost his way while walking to Anteiku."

you mean the last chapter? if so, who said it was the Touka, and was not referred to his state of mind.

Acernos said:
"""""""""""No, from the manga...3 days ago I re-read the whole manga.
Well, sadly I have to disagree with you, I do believe he was unstable, plus the character had never confidence on himself, plus he was guided by fear of being alone.
When he learned about Rize, his imago broke, that is the reason of his unstability, plus with the arrival of the CCG his network of support was taken away.""""""""

Look, I'll leave my last opinion about this matter, for me, soon after Kaneki is beaten by Touka, and decided to change what he is doing, he is already recovering his insanity, when he talks to Nishiki, it shows that is aware and confident that can save yoshimura, the biggest proof for me that he is confident were all things he said to Irimi, something that only a shounen protagonist would say, and the way he easily defeated several enemies, but after what happened to Hide, he was confused and unstable, so perhaps influenced against Arima, but it was not because of Rize and lack of confidence in own strength, if it were so, we would have something show that when he has that hallucination (chapter 140), but no, the point was to show what he was sacrificing himself for others just because he was afraid of being alone.

Mayuriii said:
If anybody remembers, in chapter 143, the panel where it shows kaneki face crossed off with the words "ERASED" meanwhile the ghoul above kaneki was simply crossed off without the word erased. From that just a theory, perhaps the ERASED simply implied that kaneki memories has been erased, thus haise was born. Obviously not concrete evidence, but food for thought.

anikaneki said:
I'm surprised that the idea of Hide being in on the reconstruction of Kaneki hasn't been brought up yet. Hide is very smart with his powers of deduction, very compassionate to Kaneki, but is also kinda manipulative.
I don't think that it'd be out of his character to attempt to have Kaneki spared or have his mind sacrificed for the sake of mankind or kaneki's legacy.
Alot of the theory is that Hide may have let Kaneki eat some of him like an arm and whatnot. This doesn't seem plausible to me because Hide is not a person thats so naive to believe that Kaneki wouldn't devour him whole without information on his current mental state be he human or ghoul or in between. Hide is very smart he wouldn't pursue Kaneki so closely in a secluded area without some sort of security for his safety.When the two meet Hide is overly calm in the sewer to the point he seems to have a plan devised. If you read chapter 136 where they meet its as though Hide is trying to lure Kaneki in a false sense of security by joking around with him and leads him to believe that he's there to help and for some unknown reason says with a certainty theres pretty much only one way out, V14.
My theory is that he informed Arima or personnel of enough rank that Kaneki could be swayed or mentally rehabilitated to assist the ccg or at least that he personally knew him to be human before the accident with him and rize which would still give kaneki value to the ccg because he is a rarity of being human and ghoul which is what there biggest threat is (the owl king) . This would at the very least explain why Arima knew his name and even decided to choose Kaneki to spare in a one on one battle especially given the level of threat Kaneki is.

As for the bloody taste in Kaneki's mouth and dissappearance of Hide. If the object is to prove that Kaneki has promise Hide would need Kaneki to be able to display his abilities. i think Hide may have either taken flesh of a dismembered officer or flesh of some sorts and rationed it to Kaneki and left amidst kaneki's gorge.