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Sep 2, 2014 11:00 AM
#41
Watashi20 said: Dammit expected at least 10k on Black Butler since I heard it was going to be heavily underestimated. SAO only expected to have about 10k for first volume is kinda depressing. considering it has been more than 4 years since the last series a 8k average is definitely good, considering the second season was poorly received and most series even the good ones will have an extreme drop if the time between new seasons has a longer gap in time. so at 8 k i can say it is very good. |
Sep 2, 2014 11:03 AM
#42
*2. *9,398 *9,398 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders Vol.2 Limited Edition Aweesome! now NGNL S2 and even more Kuroshitsuji (based on manga) please.*6. *6,688 *6,688 Sidonia no Kishi Vol.4 Limited Edition *7. *5,941 *5,941 No Game No Life Vol.3 14. *3,553 *3,553 Kuroshitsuji: Book of Circus Vol.1 Limited Edition *3. 3,969 **3,969 Kuroshitsuji: Book of Circus Vol.1 Limited Edition *7. 25,638 *25,638 Kuroshitsuji: Book of Circus OP "ENAMEL" by CID First off, it's SiD not CID - and...HELL YAWS? probably my second fav opening this season and i love SiD so im really glad it sales well.12. *8,469 **8,469 TK from Ling Tosite Sigure "Fantastic Magic" (incl. Tokyo Ghoul OP "unravel") Not that bad, it should sell way more tho. |
Sep 2, 2014 11:10 AM
#43
rederoin said: Ghostbooster said: a series need to get 10k at least to get a second season or it's needs to be a tv hit Sure, you go on believing that. I'm not even going to bother with your bullshit. 1.5-3k - Bad, production will probably lose money 4-5k - Okay, production will recoup investment 8-10k - Good, production will make money 15-20k - Very good, production can make a sequel 30-45k - Amazing, production can make 2-3 sequels Anything above 50k is a potentially money-printing franchise please don't talk in something you don't understand |
Sep 2, 2014 11:13 AM
#44
Ghostbooster said: rederoin said: Ghostbooster said: a series need to get 10k at least to get a second season or it's needs to be a tv hit Sure, you go on believing that. I'm not even going to bother with your bullshit. 1.5-3k - Bad, production will probably lose money 4-5k - Okay, production will recoup investment 8-10k - Good, production will make money 15-20k - Very good, production can make a sequel 30-45k - Amazing, production can make 2-3 sequels Anything above 50k is a potentially money-printing franchise please don't talk in something you don't understand You realize that if the source material sells well (which is the whole point of the adaptation unless it's an anime original) then the company that handles the source material can order a new season. Any money made off the DVD/Blu-Ray sales is just extra cash. Main source of income is source material sales. |
Sep 2, 2014 11:28 AM
#45
Ghostbooster said: rederoin said: Ghostbooster said: a series need to get 10k at least to get a second season or it's needs to be a tv hit Sure, you go on believing that. I'm not even going to bother with your bullshit. 1.5-3k - Bad, production will probably lose money 4-5k - Okay, production will recoup investment 8-10k - Good, production will make money 15-20k - Very good, production can make a sequel 30-45k - Amazing, production can make 2-3 sequels Anything above 50k is a potentially money-printing franchise please don't talk in something you don't understand Sure, sure. Whatever you say. |
Sep 2, 2014 11:36 AM
#46
Gochuumon wa Usagi desu ka selling better than Kuroko no Basket *facepalm* Anyways, great to see Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken Stardust Crusaders and Kuroko no Basket on the tops. Magi having less than 1k sales, what a shame :/ No Game No Life with good sales too, nice. Why the hell Strike the Blood is selling so much? Is my taste that different from everybody else's? It was a good anime but not good enough to have 5k BD sales o_o |
Sep 2, 2014 11:40 AM
#47
lol Rederoin involved in an argument again, some things never cease. That's tough for Ping Pong but about what I expected for a box set of noitaminA series with an unconventional art style that doesn't really tackle anything otaku related. It's a shame because it's one of the better original series Aniplex has helped produced in a long long time (probably since Shin Sekai Yori) and probably for a long time to come. No hype, no overt pandering and big promises, just a simple 11 episode show that adapts an old story and does so in a surprisingly interesting and memorable way. b1GZZ said: Why the hell Strike the Blood is selling so much? Is my taste that different from everybody else's? It was a good anime but not good enough to have 5k BD sales o_o Fanservice, otaku appeal, semi-popular source work. It even managed to make it into that Dengeki Bunko fighting game. Some people think way to hard about this stuff and this idea of "good anime" when that's really not what all this comes down to at the end of the day. It definitely doesn't hurt to get technicals right, but the vast majority of the time it's about having the right popular license and pandering successfully to the right audiences. Fujoshi has recently become a fairly secure bet though you have to do it the right way with good animation quality and the right kind of male characters and usually there's a competition for being the top fujoshi show of the season nowadays since studios and producers are catching on. Some shows can even pick up fujoshi while also maintaining a more general audience and supplement themselves like Haikyuu. Also of course moe otaku and cute girls doing cute things shows have always been a reasonably safe bet, but again you have to do it right for that audience and usually there's only room for one top dog that just takes the whole of the audience like Love Live which also takes the idol fan audience as well thus becoming a monster hit. |
PeacingOutSep 2, 2014 11:49 AM
Sep 2, 2014 11:55 AM
#48
b1GZZ said: Why the hell Strike the Blood is selling so much? Is my taste that different from everybody else's? It was a good anime but not good enough to have 5k BD sales o_o At least it is much better Gochuumon wa Usagi desu ka |
Sep 2, 2014 12:35 PM
#49
b1GZZ said: No, it isn't. Get your eyes checked.Gochuumon wa Usagi desu ka selling better than Kuroko no Basket *facepalm* Kaioshin_Sama said: You set your expectations unreasonably high.That's tough for Ping Pong but about what I expected for a box set of noitaminA series with an unconventional art style that doesn't really tackle anything otaku related. Kaioshin_Sama said: Your definition of "good anime" is messed up. Anime is entertainment. Visual one. If you care about plot or depth of characters/themes more, go read some books instead of bitching all the time that anime oh so surprisingly isn't what it never wanted to be.Some people think way to hard about this stuff and this idea of "good anime" when that's really not what all this comes down to at the end of the day. Kaioshin_Sama said: If "safe bet" means "1k or more", then sure.Also of course moe otaku and cute girls doing cute things shows have always been a reasonably safe bet |
Sep 2, 2014 12:44 PM
#50
rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. |
Sep 2, 2014 12:46 PM
#51
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. Fine with me, if you prefer random users over stats. |
Sep 2, 2014 12:47 PM
#52
rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. Fine with me, if you prefer random users over stats. Define your stat parameters. |
Sep 2, 2014 12:48 PM
#53
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: He doesn't know anything about sales though. The only thing he's good at is giving recommendations to similarly narrow-minded people.rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. Meanwhile rederoin is talking about stats, something you can't argue with. Everybody can check the stats themselves and see that rederoin is right. SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Actual, official numbers.Define your stat parameters. |
Sep 2, 2014 12:52 PM
#54
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. Fine with me, if you prefer random users over stats. Define your stat parameters. http://rederoin.motionsforum.com/t255-rate-of-anime-getting-a-sequel-by-sales |
Sep 2, 2014 12:55 PM
#55
Those stats are seriously erratic and all over the place for this year. |
Sep 2, 2014 1:14 PM
#56
rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: rederoin said: SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Does another low Jojo's sale set mean we wont get the next part animated? Low compared to P1/P2, not low when compared to other series. Its still doing fine for getting P4 animated. Thats not what nidhogger told me, and i trust him more than you. Fine with me, if you prefer random users over stats. Define your stat parameters. http://rederoin.motionsforum.com/t255-rate-of-anime-getting-a-sequel-by-sales Except david has said they expect higher sales for SC than the other parts, and they are half as much. This is the most popular part for the most part. I didnt say 10k sales sucked. i said david expects more. Fuck man you dont know everything. |
Sep 2, 2014 1:16 PM
#57
Ghostbooster said: rederoin said: Ghostbooster said: a series need to get 10k at least to get a second season or it's needs to be a tv hit Sure, you go on believing that. I'm not even going to bother with your bullshit. 1.5-3k - Bad, production will probably lose money 4-5k - Okay, production will recoup investment 8-10k - Good, production will make money 15-20k - Very good, production can make a sequel 30-45k - Amazing, production can make 2-3 sequels Anything above 50k is a potentially money-printing franchise please don't talk in something you don't understand I can't tell if you're a troll or just someone who pays absolutely no attention to anime sales. 10,000 is regarded as an extreme success and is far beyond what's required to justify a sequel for virtually any series. Yowamushi Pedal is getting a sequel after averaging approximately 5,000, Non Non Biyori averaged less than 10,000, and Shin'ya Kawatsura said how thrilled he was with the sales so that they could make a 2nd season, Yama no Susume got a 2nd season after the 1st one averaged 4,300, Sora no Otoshimono got a sequel after the 1st one averaged 5,900, Rinne no Lagrange got a sequel after the 1st season averaged 3,200, Mitsudomoe got a sequel after averaging a mere 2,000, the 2nd season of Genshiken averaged 2,300 and they still made a 3rd, Polygon just ordered a 2nd season of Sidonia ni Kishi after the first several discs averaged around 7,500, Chihayafuru, which looked lavishly expensive to produce, averaged 2,800 and still got a 2-cour sequel, the 1st season of Bakuman barely broke 1,000 and they made 50 more episodes after that based on the strength of the manga sales, and I could just go on and on. None of those shows were massive television hits either, some late-night shows even have to have their studio pay the television station to air them and they receive no advertising revenue. 10,000 is a colossal number. Some of the biggest hits of recent memory, High School DxD, Hidamari Sketch, Yahari, etc., don't average that. |
Winter_Fox_TamiSep 2, 2014 1:20 PM
Sep 2, 2014 1:17 PM
#58
you cant attach an arbitrary amount of sales to "getting a second season". Every license costs a different amount. Production costs varying amounts. Producers have different expectations. Get that shit out of here and answer questions based on what you know, not what you think you know from looking at numbers. |
Sep 2, 2014 1:18 PM
#59
Let's hope for a second season of Mahouka and this time it will be done correctly. I think the anime is awesome, however it still scales in comparison with the light novel. The light novel is amazing, and if done correctly it should turn out to be one heck of an awesome anime! Let's hope for Hiroshi Koujina(director of Hunter x Hunter) to be the director next time, or atleast someone more experienced, who has done a few better titles. Though it's a small chance :( |
Sep 2, 2014 1:27 PM
#60
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: you cant attach an arbitrary amount of sales to "getting a second season". Every license costs a different amount. Production costs varying amounts. Producers have different expectations. Get that shit out of here and answer questions based on what you know, not what you think you know from looking at numbers. Like I said, believe what you want to believe. I don't care. SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Except david has said they expect higher sales for SC than the other parts, and they are half as much. David is just a subcontractor. |
Sep 2, 2014 1:30 PM
#61
Progeusz said: You set your expectations unreasonably high. What? Not at all that's about what I expected. Still a shame though as I can tell the team really put their creative ambitions into this one and sadly those sorts of things just aren't always rewarded that much in this medium. I still haven't really gotten over what happened with Redline for example. Kaioshin_Sama said: Your definition of "good anime" is messed up. Anime is entertainment. Visual one. If you care about plot or depth of characters/themes more, go read some books instead of bitching all the time that anime oh so surprisingly isn't what it never wanted to be. There's plenty of anime with solid plot, depth, characters and themes at least IMO. Don't sell the medium so short that easily please. I also wasn't bitching at all that I can recall, just being realistic about how sales potentials tend to work. Try not to start fights where there are none to be had all the time. Kaioshin_Sama said: If "safe bet" means "1k or more", then sure. You notice that huge "but" section after where I talked about having to do it right in order for it to work out and there usually being one series that dominates in that regard over others. I think most of them tend to do at least somewhat decently at the very least. I probably shouldn't have said "safe bet" though so much as not as risky as some other avenues of appeal. I kind of forgot that unless your cover your bases 100% and parrot certain opinions and ideas then that means it's an argument with you, Rederoin and the like. Shits getting rather old don't you think? Whatever though I kind of expect it at this rate. Point is I'm trying to get a point across to some people that think it's a matter of simply overall quality and there tastes when really it's just not the case. |
Sep 2, 2014 1:36 PM
#63
Well it seems that any series that has sold an average of 9k or above is always 100 percent guaranteed to have a sequel series unless it has a conclusive ending. if that is the case than the series that have aired this years so far they will surely have a continuation this year are: Is this an order of rabbit? 11,629k Haikyuu!! 26,563k Hoozuki no Reitetsu 14,133k JoJo Bizarre Adventures 13,180k Love Live! 2nd season 82,807K Really it's no brainier this one :P The Irregular at Magic High School 12,436K Mekakucity Actors 9,057k No Game No Life 9,325k |
Sep 2, 2014 1:43 PM
#64
-ShadowClaw- said: Well it seems that any series that has sold an average of 9k or above is always 100 percent guaranteed to have a sequel series unless it has a conclusive ending. if that is the case than the series that have aired this years so far they will surely have a continuation this year are: Is this an order of rabbit? 11,629k Haikyuu!! 26,563k Hoozuki no Reitetsu 14,133k JoJo Bizarre Adventures 13,180k Love Live! 2nd season 82,807K Really it's no brainier this one :P The Irregular at Magic High School 12,436K Mekakucity Actors 9,057k No Game No Life 9,325k There's a chance LL won't get a 3rd season if Muse graduates. |
Sep 2, 2014 2:33 PM
#66
-ShadowClaw- said: Well it seems that any series that has sold an average of 9k or above is always 100 percent guaranteed to have a sequel series unless it has a conclusive ending. if that is the case than the series that have aired this years so far they will surely have a continuation this year are: Is this an order of rabbit? 11,629k Haikyuu!! 26,563k Hoozuki no Reitetsu 14,133k JoJo Bizarre Adventures 13,180k Love Live! 2nd season 82,807K Really it's no brainier this one :P The Irregular at Magic High School 12,436K Mekakucity Actors 9,057k No Game No Life 9,325k Just a tip. Don't put it at 100%, it just get your hopes crushed even harder if the manga/LN goes on haitus or when it becomes one of the rare exceptions(I did not check 2005 or before). |
Sep 2, 2014 2:50 PM
#67
rederoin said: -ShadowClaw- said: Well it seems that any series that has sold an average of 9k or above is always 100 percent guaranteed to have a sequel series unless it has a conclusive ending. if that is the case than the series that have aired this years so far they will surely have a continuation this year are: Is this an order of rabbit? 11,629k Haikyuu!! 26,563k Hoozuki no Reitetsu 14,133k JoJo Bizarre Adventures 13,180k Love Live! 2nd season 82,807K Really it's no brainier this one :P The Irregular at Magic High School 12,436K Mekakucity Actors 9,057k No Game No Life 9,325k Just a tip. Don't put it at 100%, it just get your hopes crushed even harder if the manga/LN goes on haitus or when it becomes one of the rare exceptions(I did not check 2005 or before). yeah you are right well than lets just it is almost guaranteed that they will have more to come, |
Sep 2, 2014 2:50 PM
#68
So those are still good sales for Is the order a rabbit? right? I'd so love a second season of that... |
Sep 2, 2014 3:02 PM
#69
animefan8800 said: So those are still good sales for Is the order a rabbit? right? I'd so love a second season of that... Compared to the average sales of other anime series, They are Top of the Top, A second season or a movie or ova's that would be released in the future are almost garunteed :) P.s i did not watch the series but trust me these sales are season 2 worth |
Sep 2, 2014 3:29 PM
#70
Always makes me sad that garbage like Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei sell so much. |
Sep 2, 2014 4:15 PM
#71
Winter_Fox_Tami said: the 1st season of Bakuman barely broke 1,000 and they made 50 more episodes after that based on the strength of the manga sales, and I could just go on and on. For Bakuman the important factor wasn't manga sales, but rather that it was an NHK production. Being a tax funded broadcaster NHK doesn't worry much about disc sales and 50 episodes seems to be their norm, not the exception. Case in point Log Horizon. They had renewed it even before a single disc had been sold. But in general you are right and it highlights the importance of many factors outside of disc sales, it matters who produces it, it matters the combination of that production team, it matters how the working relationship with everyone is, it matters what the tie-ins are (merchandise, CDs, whatever), and it matters what the upside on additional volume sales are, all sorts of things. It also depends on where it was broadcast, NHK is one type, but an animation that has commercial (literally) appeal will get a more prominent broadcast time and thus be less dependent on disc sales. Depending on these factors, a 2,000 disc sale could be more profitable than a 6,000 disc sale, similar to how a blockbuster can be an economic failure raking in $100 million in sales, but a movie can be an economic success with only $10 in sales. Disc sales and ranges are merely a general indication of success, specifically it means very little. |
Sep 2, 2014 5:45 PM
#72
Newhopes said: Always makes me sad that garbage like Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei sell so much. The first part of Mahouka anime isn't good compared to light novel true. At least it still sells more than blatant otaku pandering trash like No game no life. |
Sep 2, 2014 5:53 PM
#73
Altruism101 said: Newhopes said: Always makes me sad that garbage like Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei sell so much. The first part of Mahouka anime isn't good compared to light novel true. At least it still sells more than blatant otaku pandering trash like No game no life. Don't know if it's just the first part, but Mahouka has horrible characters, pretty colors, decent sound, and I would say an average plot... And horrible characters. Maybe it'll get better towards the end, but I kinda doubt it. Anyway, still want NGNL season 2 bad! Hope the sales can stay strong for the other volumes. |
Sep 2, 2014 5:57 PM
#74
Altruism101 said: Newhopes said: Always makes me sad that garbage like Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei sell so much. The first part of Mahouka anime isn't good compared to light novel true. At least it still sells more than blatant otaku pandering trash like No game no life. At least NGNL is entertaining unlike Mahouka the incest pandering snorefest. |
Sep 2, 2014 6:15 PM
#75
Sep 2, 2014 7:06 PM
#76
hpulley said: Thanks, fixed.NeoAnkara said: 14. 12,418 *12,418 Hanayamata OP "Hanaha Odori Reya Iroha ni Ho" by Team Hamayamata 16. *8,473 **8,473 Hanayamata ED "Hanayuki" by smileY inc. The sales is better than I though it would be. I'm glad that best OP this season get more recognition. ... (spelled wrong in first entry BTW, it is Team Hanayamata) Meddigo said: Surprised by how low Nozaki-kun ED is, considering it's one of the higher sellers for this season (much higher than Hanayamata at least). And didn't the OP come out as well? Did it honestly sell fewer than 874 copies? The OP did sell, it is just missing here for some reason: *23 *** **5,317 **5,317 **1 Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun OP "Kimi ja Nakya Dame Mitai" (君じゃなきゃダメみたい) by OOISHI Masayoshi (オーイシマサヨシ) |
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Sep 2, 2014 7:11 PM
#77
Kay_Lite said: Wow the difference between overall sales of Love Live and Haikyuu BD/DVD tho.. O.o GochiUsa and NGNL sales went pretty well there. Btw Mahouka sells really well in Japan, I wonder why? Because the light novel is popular. Collectors would want both. |
Sep 2, 2014 7:24 PM
#78
Woohoo Go Love Live! |
Sep 2, 2014 10:07 PM
#79
So if Ping Pong doesn't chart next week do we just not know the final average? |
Sep 2, 2014 11:22 PM
#80
Sep 3, 2014 10:03 AM
#82
No. that show sucks. |
Sep 3, 2014 11:36 AM
#83
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: No. that show sucks. Its not because the story sucked, rather it was how it was adapted that truly sucked. |
Sep 3, 2014 2:07 PM
#84
Kaioshin_Sama said: It's a shame because it's one of the better original series Aniplex has helped produced in a long long time (probably since Shin Sekai Yori) and probably for a long time to come. No hype, no overt pandering and big promises, just a simple 11 episode show that adapts an old story and does so in a surprisingly interesting and memorable way. Aniplex doesn't seem to think Ping Pong will sell here either similar to SSY, since they didn't bother to license them to Aniplex of America. These kinds of shows always seem to be popular on anime websites but when it comes to sales they tank. |
Sep 5, 2014 5:24 AM
#85
b1GZZ said: Gochuumon wa Usagi desu ka selling better than Kuroko no Basket *facepalm* Where did you get that from? Did you make sure to look at DVD sales too? Kurobasu is doing much more than GochiUsa. |
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Sep 5, 2014 5:44 AM
#86
Sep 5, 2014 5:48 AM
#87
Ping Pong and Shinsekai yori are not original series if I'm not mistaken. |
Sep 5, 2014 5:51 AM
#88
umashikaneko said: Ping Pong and Shinsekai yori are not original series if I'm not mistaken. I was wondering about that...I'm not sure about Ping Pong, but I thought there was a novel associated with Shinsekai Yori. |
Sep 5, 2014 5:58 AM
#89
Yeah Ping Pong is a manga that finished ages ago, and Shinsekai yori is a novel. |
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