Is crying a sign of weakness or strength?

LadyRenly said:
I think people in general would like to not look weak. What does it mean to be "manly"?

It's no longer expected for a woman to be a housewife and clean all her life, so I don't see why men should feel the need to follow some outdated expectation

Red_Keys said:
Why is "controlling your emotions" considered strong?

BryanBossling said:
It's more acceptable for women to show weakness, because they're weaker to begin with, wouldn't you agree? If a woman gets emotional, she can count on her friends, or some man to comfort her. A man might receive a woman's sympathies, at first, but she will grow to resent him if things go on for too long, because that's how women usually react.

You're acting as if society has outgrown its need for men, and that we could all become like you and things would be fine. This isn't true.

Red_Keys said:
People who desperately cling to gender roles are really pathetic in my opinion, and honestly holding society back.

It's primitive.

LadyRenly said:
I never said society has outgrown its need for men, but it has outgrown its need for rigid gender roles and gender based expectations.

People in general do not like people who need a lot of emotional support. They are high maintenance, regardless of sex.

Red_Keys said:
People who desperately cling to gender roles are really pathetic in my opinion, and honestly holding society back.

It's primitive.

Red_Keys said:
People who desperately cling to gender roles are really pathetic in my opinion, and honestly holding society back.

It's primitive.

BryanBossling said:
A man who isn't in control of his emotions isn't reliable, something which turns women away.

Women are much in need of that to begin with, is my view on it.

You can use the argument that someone is ''holding back progress'' in almost any situation really. It doesn't say much, as not all progress is for the best of humanity.

''These people who don't think we should be able to marry animals are just desperately clinging to antiquated ideas about what love is, and are holding back progress.

It's primitive. Love knows no bounds.''

Ferolex said:
You just compared marrying animals to the normal act of somebody crying... do you think it's weak for a man to cry when he loses somebody he loves? do you confront men when they start crying and call them pussies?

BryanBossling said:
No, I said earlier that there are times when it's acceptable for a man to cry. Such assumptions.

TallonKarrde23 said:
It's not really relevant, but women can look cute or more attractive when crying, men just look dumb - not because of their gender but their facial structure, so I prefer not to see men cry.

Sapewloth said:


Welp, I think he looks pretty darn cute.

Ferolex said:
My fault, I do agree with that, but I think the same applies with women.. you shouldn't just start crying in front of a bunch of random people for attention... and you should be able to hold it back a bit more when you're an adult.

BryanBossling said:
Yes, but women shouldn't have the same pressure on them, as they feel more pain, and are weaker both mentally and physically.

TallonKarrde23 said:
Kise is supposed to shine his smile as bright as the sun at all times.

Akito_Kinomoto said:
The weakest men will cry a lot. The strongest men will cry the most.

Akito_Kinomoto said:
The weakest men will cry a lot. The strongest men will cry the most.

Ferolex said:
or crying myself to sleep

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Akito_Kinomoto said:
The weakest men will cry a lot. The strongest men will cry the most.

BryanBossling said:
Yes, but women shouldn't have the same pressure on them, as they feel more pain, and are weaker both mentally and physically. Same with children.

LadyRenly said:


"Mentally" weaker?

...seriously?!1/

Kibura_Iburasa said:
You know what crying gets you? nothing but dry sore eyes. Its not going to make problems go away or any better, sometimes I suppose it just happens depending on the situation, if so get it done and get over or in control of the problem after. If it helps someone then so be it, its just tears but if someone just cries at anything or all the time then its not helping is it.

Ferolex said:

Yeah man, fuck crying, that's totally pointless and isn't an outlet at all when something is out of your control, let's just bottle it all up and punch a wall when you get really pissed off.

Kibura_Iburasa said:


Did you read anything I wrote or did you just react.

Ferolex said:


Yeah man, fuck crying, that's totally pointless and isn't an outlet at all when something is out of your control, let's just bottle it all up and punch a wall when you get really pissed off.

Ferolex said:

Mainly applies to your first sentence, people who cry over EVERYTHING are just looking for attention/being crybabies... but crying sometimes isn't pointless and doesn't only result in dry eyes... it feels good to cry sometimes.

LadyRenly said:


"Mentally" weaker?

...seriously?!1/

Korrvo said:
Not that I'm gonna disagree, but there is some pride to be had in what you were born as by doing so.

mclovinballz said:


Stick an equal number of men and women through SF selection and see which side has the most drop outs.

Red_Keys said:
Maybe I'm just not reading right, but I actually don't know what you are saying.

LadyRenly said:


That's physical, and not what I was talking about...

LadyRenly said:


That's physical, and not what I was talking about...

Sapewloth said:

Source plz.

LadyRenly said:
That's physical, and not what I was talking about...

Red_Keys said:
Maybe I'm just not reading right, but I actually don't know what you are saying.

Sapewloth said:

I think he's saying that by acting like how a man is supposed to act (following his gender role), you're showing the pride you have to be born as one?
Hell, that was confusing.

Lime_ said:
And you still need a source, Bossling, they've recently relaxed women not being in infantry roles in the Marines -- you're telling people to go look up outdated regulations not allowing women into specific military roles and using that as proof? . . . lol

Lime_ said:
I could say the opposite of everything you just said and sound just as accurate, the earth being round is definitely not a good analogy here

BryanBossling said:
If I told you the earth was round, would you also be asking for a source?

For one, women have more pain receptors than men, and this is a commonly known fact. There's a reason why women need more painkillers than men do.

As to being mentally weaker, this is also a known fact. Women are more prone to stress, depression, PTSD, and are more likely to attempt suicide (you can attribute some of this to social factors, but I think it's clear who the weaker sex is). Men are simply better at dealing with pain, whether emotional or physical.

mclovinballz chose to mention SF selection, which is another good example. Feel free to google ''women in the army'', and see what comes up.

Sapewloth said:
I think he's saying that by acting like how a man is supposed to act (following his gender role), you're showing the pride you have to be born as one?
Hell, that was confusing.

Mamimii said:
My take on this is that while it's reasonable to "reject" gender roles on an intellectual level, it's not reasonable, or even possible, to divorce yourself from them entirely—and that's okay. It doesn't bother me when men engage in masculine behavior with the explicit purpose of being more masculine, provided that their behavior isn't too destructive—which, unfortunately, it often is.

For example, I don't really have a problem with Manly Beards. My own pro-beard bias is totally at work here, but I think that there are more pressing gender role issues than some men feeling that their smooth cheeks are inadequate.

Sapewloth said:
There's a difference between a known and undeniable fact that can be confirmed via google, countless of school books and satellite pics and a statement made by an internet user & based on data which itself depends on a even larger number of factors.
Of course you're gonna be biased in your interpretation of said data and disregard the influence on other social factors so that it fits your point.

I already know the percentage of women in the army (at least in the french and US armies) no data available for the rate of drop outs so what to do with mclovin' example?