| Honestly I think the western definition of Anime is riduculous. It is so typical that we westerners/americans, take a word used in another culture and give it a completely different meaning. Anime - an abbreviated pronunciation of the japanese word for animation. That word was borrowed from english, and essentially their word for animation, is the english word animation. They use it for all animation, then they shortened it down to anime and now we westerners reimported our own word animation abbreviated, because we couldn`t abbreviate the flipping word ourselves. Now we use this reimported, shortened word for all animation to describe ONLY animation made in japan? Now that is fucked up. Perhaps we imported this japanese abbreviation for some other stupid reason, like we needed to separate japanese styled animation from our own animation style by using the same word that we use for our animation just with 4 letters cut off and an a replaced with an e at the end. Oh but wait, it isn`t just japanese animation we call anime, plenty of anime from other asian/oriental countries are counted as anime. But for some reason only anime from the asian countries, because if lets say Sweden made an anime (now I`m using the redefined definition of anime, not the stupid western definition) animated in japanese style, it would not be an anime (in the stupid western definition). It would not be an anime because it was made and directed in Sweden, a measly change in geographical location. It would be a "swedish cartoon". That is stupid. Anime is a word for all animation, or at the VERY least any animation in the japanese STYLE, not japanese/asian/oriental geographical location. Now you can debate style alot, as style varies so much from anime to anime. But anime is animation and it needs a broader definition that it has now, without this confinement by a crappy geographical condition. If you are looking for a word to describe what the stupid western definition of anime does use nihon anime (which means japanese anime), oriental anime or something like that. If the people agree to redefining the definition of anime, back to what it originally means in japanese, I hope that MAL can let Anime (the proper japanese definition of Anime again) that is made worldwide, be added onto the site. Perhaps if Anime is only redefined to the point of meaning animation made in japanese/oriental style, MAL will let any animation that is made in that style onto the site. A few useful links: Japanese words for animation: http://rut.org/cgi-bin/j-e/FG=r/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=E&T=animation&WC=none&FG=r&BG=b&S=26 Western crappy definition of anime: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/anime?q=anime Wikipedia page on Anime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime Peace. It is important to draw wisdom from different places. If you take it from only one place it become rigid and stale. |
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| Yes, anime is the Japanese word for animation, referring to all animation the world over. The western world uses this word to refer specifically to Japanese animation, and this website is driven by western traffic, so it uses the western definition. Create your own global animation database if you have a problem with this. |
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worldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. But senpai, spongebob is so kawaiiii.. |
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| When can we redefine Breaking Bad as anime? |
Zeally said: When can we redefine Breaking Bad as anime? Only as soon as we can classify GoT as anime. |
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| b-b-but... i'm not Japanese... now i'll seem like a total weeb... |
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pLaguE_ said: http://static.zerochan.net/SpongeBob.SquarePants.full.1368743.jpgworldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. But senpai, spongebob is so kawaiiii.. |
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Red_Keys said: pLaguE_ said: http://static.zerochan.net/SpongeBob.SquarePants.full.1368743.jpgworldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. But senpai, spongebob is so kawaiiii.. Link no work, but I'm sure it is kawaii. |
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Red_Keys said: pLaguE_ said: http://static.zerochan.net/SpongeBob.SquarePants.full.1368743.jpgworldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. But senpai, spongebob is so kawaiiii.. Squidward is hot |
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DerpHole said: Zeally said: When can we redefine Breaking Bad as anime? Only as soon as we can classify GoT as anime. There's incest and plenty of fanservice, it's a good start already. |
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worldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. Yes please Old Spongebob>Every non-Mecha anime ever made |
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Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Nerds are smart. |
Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. |
DoctorDoom said: Nerds are smart. I thought it was the geeks who were smart. |
Red_Keys said: are we not funding this? absurdpLaguE_ said: http://static.zerochan.net/SpongeBob.SquarePants.full.1368743.jpgworldeditor11 said: Yes. Spongebob should be added to MAL anime database according to your definition of anime. But senpai, spongebob is so kawaiiii.. |
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| I once asked my father if he knew what anime was. He said "it's those cartoons that have short people with big heads and eyes". I said "no, that's only the bad anime." |
Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. |
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| It`s not going to be war, original definition vs broken language ;) But hoy most people will stick with what they feel like and not logic and definitions, thus it actually might be a war =D dis gonna be gud. |
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Red_Keys said: LOL you are one to talk, always defending weak loser cry babies like Yuki to the death. That's pure nerdiness.Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. On Topic : Anime are Japanese cartoons/thread |
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DrGeroCreation said: Red_Keys said: LOL you are one to talk, always defending weak loser cry babies like Yuki to the death. That's pure nerdiness.Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. On Topic : Anime are Japanese cartoons/thread Dude, I think that is the same person I saw bitching ENDLESSLY in a thread about least liked genres. He made me want to /facedesk so bad. |
worldeditor11 said: Atsilan said: It`s not going to be war, original definition vs broken language ;) But hoy most people will stick with what they feel like and not logic and definitions, thus it actually might be a war =D dis gonna be gud. So, are you suggesting that the name of this site should change to MyAnimationList? Good one xD To be clear that is what MAL already is named ;) I don`t mind the abbreviation, only the geographical restrictions on what is and is not Anime. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Nah, that's pure empathy. And common sense.Red_Keys said: LOL you are one to talk, always defending weak loser cry babies like Yuki to the death. That's pure nerdiness.Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. Cause you know, I don't have ridiculous expectations of 14 year olds. But this is off topic. |
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Red_Keys said: I would expect a 14 year old not to cry over every little thing. Oh no Yuno saw my baby pictures wah wah wah.DrGeroCreation said: Nah, that's pure empathy. And common sense.Red_Keys said: LOL you are one to talk, always defending weak loser cry babies like Yuki to the death. That's pure nerdiness.Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. Cause you know, I don't have ridiculous expectations of 14 year olds. But this is off topic. |
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Red_Keys said: Lanvidia said: There's a difference between posting on a forum, and creating threads meticulously and angrily arguing the definition of a fucking word.Red_Keys said: This is why people think anime fans are nerds. Using nerd as a derogatory term when you have 11.5k posts on a forum makes you sound like a huge tool. It's the anal retentive and finicky attitude that I'm commenting on. But thanks for your input. I came off angry? I guess I used CAPSLOCK a bit much or I have been a bit too frustrated with America/the west lately... xD It wasn`t anger, don`t feed me to the rancors yet plz. Anyway I don`t mind being called a nerd/wierd etc, thx for the compliment. =P |
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Atsilan said: worldeditor11 said: Atsilan said: It`s not going to be war, original definition vs broken language ;) But hoy most people will stick with what they feel like and not logic and definitions, thus it actually might be a war =D dis gonna be gud. So, are you suggesting that the name of this site should change to MyAnimationList? Good one xD To be clear that is what MAL already is named ;) I don`t mind the abbreviation, only the geographical restrictions on what is and is not Anime. Uniting eastern and western animation under one banner is admirable, but this site is explicitly for discussion animation as it derives from Japan. Changing the definition will not change that. |
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Red_Keys said: Why not? I am very good with children. @Ckan No fight here only love and peace.Yikes. I hope you never become a parent, or hold any employment where you work with children. |
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Ckan said: This old grudge might just be singing its final song tonight, 'cause the gloves are off! STAY TUNED. Brilliant xD This made me wantl go ham for the hell of it. IT IS ON! |
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Splitter said: Atsilan said: worldeditor11 said: So, are you suggesting that the name of this site should change to MyAnimationList? Good one xD To be clear that is what MAL already is named ;) I don`t mind the abbreviation, only the geographical restrictions on what is and is not Anime. Uniting eastern and western animation under one banner is admirable, but this site is explicitly for discussion animation as it derives from Japan. Changing the definition will not change that. 1* So what you are saying is that this site will only take animation that is from Japan? That this site is explicitly for discussion of animation from the geographic region of japan and not all japanese styled animation? 2* Why would you not want to discuss animation in the japanese style made outside the borders of Japan on MAL? 3* Do you agree that the western definition of Anime is off? |
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Atsilan said: Splitter said: Atsilan said: worldeditor11 said: So, are you suggesting that the name of this site should change to MyAnimationList? Good one xD To be clear that is what MAL already is named ;) I don`t mind the abbreviation, only the geographical restrictions on what is and is not Anime. Uniting eastern and western animation under one banner is admirable, but this site is explicitly for discussion animation as it derives from Japan. Changing the definition will not change that. 1* So what you are saying is that this site will only take animation that is from Japan? That this site is explicitly for discussion of animation from the geographic region of japan and not all japanese styled animation? 2* Why would you not want to discuss animation in the japanese style made outside the borders of Japan on MAL? 3* Do you agree that the western definition of Anime is off? 1. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 2. I would and do. It's far easier to find people online and offline to discuss western animation than people to discuss anime. Have you never heard of Toonzone? 3. I think anime is defined one of two ways and you're hardfast as defining it in the eastern sense, when most people here would define it in the western sense. Yes, we could consider "anime" as meaning animation... but we already have the word "animation" and if we did that, people would find another way to divide the two. Would you really like to go back to calling it Japanimation? I know I don't. |
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Splitter said: Atsilan said: Splitter said: Uniting eastern and western animation under one banner is admirable, but this site is explicitly for discussion animation as it derives from Japan. Changing the definition will not change that. 1* So what you are saying is that this site will only take animation that is from Japan? That this site is explicitly for discussion of animation from the geographic region of japan and not all japanese styled animation? 2* Why would you not want to discuss animation in the japanese style made outside the borders of Japan on MAL? 3* Do you agree that the western definition of Anime is off? 1. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 2. I would and do. It's far easier to find people online and offline to discuss western animation than people to discuss anime. Have you never heard of Toonzone? 3. I think anime is defined one of two ways and you're hardfast as defining it in the eastern sense, when most people here would define it in the western sense. Yes, we could consider "anime" as meaning animation... but we already have the word "animation" and if we did that, people would find another way to divide the two. Would you really like to go back to calling it Japanimation? I know I don't. 1. Alright could you refer me to the thread explaining why we deal with animation only from the geographic region of japan? I need alot of persuasion before I can agree with the dismissal of japanese style anime made outside japanese borders. A edit of question no 2 to make it more clear: why would you not want to discuss japanese style animation made outside of the borders of Japan on MAL, highlighting the word MAL and japanese style. could you clarify your answer? I don`t mean we need to add spongebob, but at least leave some leeway for some of the animations where the artwork is in/close to japanese style? Why would that be something bad? And no I have not really heard of toonzone, I generally only watch japanese style animations, with some exeptions of course. Perhaps I should check it out. On your answer to question no 3. I`m also not saying that we should call it Japanimation, but we should find a better term for Japanese style animation and animation that originates in Japan. I really dislike this western definition. They can divide it into genres/styles, but the term needs to reflect style of animation, not geographical location. Anime should not be the word we use for animation from Japan. Nihonime, japanimation xD I don`t know what term we come up with next, but isn`t it good to discuss this? Make some waves? I don`t care what most people do, alot of the time people do things wrong and a little knowledge and logic wont be bad for anyone. Specifying a definition is good if the definition is lacking, no matter how many people use it in a certain way. Just like the word gay should not be used as a derogatory slur, screw how people use it, it means happy or more recently homosexual, neither of those should be used as derogatory slurs. |
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Atsilan said: Splitter said: Atsilan said: Splitter said: Uniting eastern and western animation under one banner is admirable, but this site is explicitly for discussion animation as it derives from Japan. Changing the definition will not change that. 1* So what you are saying is that this site will only take animation that is from Japan? That this site is explicitly for discussion of animation from the geographic region of japan and not all japanese styled animation? 2* Why would you not want to discuss animation in the japanese style made outside the borders of Japan on MAL? 3* Do you agree that the western definition of Anime is off? 1. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 2. I would and do. It's far easier to find people online and offline to discuss western animation than people to discuss anime. Have you never heard of Toonzone? 3. I think anime is defined one of two ways and you're hardfast as defining it in the eastern sense, when most people here would define it in the western sense. Yes, we could consider "anime" as meaning animation... but we already have the word "animation" and if we did that, people would find another way to divide the two. Would you really like to go back to calling it Japanimation? I know I don't. 1. Alright could you refer me to the thread explaining why we deal with animation only from the geographic region of japan? I need alot of persuasion before I can agree with the dismissal of japanese style anime made outside japanese borders. A edit of question no 2 to make it more clear: why would you not want to discuss japanese style animation made outside of the borders of Japan on MAL, highlighting the word MAL and japanese style. could you clarify your answer? I don`t mean we need to add spongebob, but at least leave some leeway for some of the animations where the artwork is in/close to japanese style? Why would that be something bad? And no I have not really heard of toonzone, I generally only watch japanese style animations, with some exeptions of course. Perhaps I should check it out. On your answer to question no 3. I`m also not saying that we should call it Japanimation, but we should find a better term for Japanese style animation and animation that originates in Japan. I really dislike this western definition. They can divide it into genres/styles, but the term needs to reflect style of animation, not geographical location. Anime should not be the word we use for animation from Japan. Nihonime, japanimation xD I don`t know what term we come up with next, but isn`t it good to discuss this? Make some waves? I don`t care what most people do, alot of the time people do things wrong and a little knowledge and logic wont be bad for anyone. Specifying a definition is good if the definition is lacking, no matter how many people use it in a certain way. Just like the word gay should not be used as a derogatory slur, screw how people use it, it means happy or more recently homosexual, neither of those should be used as derogatory slurs. It's the forum's modus operandi. There is no one thread discussing why we deal with Japanese animation because that's the entire point of the website. If you want to discuss western animation here, there's a thread for that in the Music & Entertainment subforum. I don't mind discussing animation outside Japan on this website, but it's not the primary reason I come to this website. I, like most everyone else on this website, primarily come here to discuss animation of Japanese origin. It's not a dismissal of animation of other countries, but again, I already have plenty of people in real life that I can discuss western animation with as well as online that a forum isn't particularly necessary to ask "hey, have you seen Adventure Time?" I know that adding anime-influenced animation to the list is the primary reason you are bringing this up, but the others make a good point. If you allow shows like Avatar in, you are leaving the door wide open. You can argue all you want not to include Spongebob, but the flipside exists in that "but you allow something like Panty and Stocking". The door is open to animation of Japanese origin. That's the purpose of the site, not all animation. I redirect you to my first post. If you want a global animation database, create one yourself. Don't force others to change their site due to your personal belief on what the site should be. More to the point, why the hell are you complaining about the lack of western animation when you don't even watch it yourself?! Yes, go check out Toonzone. It's the leading site for western animation discussion, that is assuming you actually care and this isn't all "waaah I want to add Avatar to my MAL" Are you insinuating "anime" is a derogatory slur for Japanese animation? I don't even anymore. |
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| MAL does seem biased when it comes to animation. If Korean cartoons can be added to the database then why can't cartoons that were partly animated in Japan such as Thundercats, Boondocks also be included? Korean cartoons are not anime. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Because those are just outsourced. Then the Simpsons, Family Guy, and a lot of other American cartoons would be allowed in.MAL does seem biased when it comes to animation. If Korean cartoons can be added to the database then why can't cartoons that were partly animated in Japan such as Thundercats, Boondocks also be included? Korean cartoons are not anime. And my MAL's definition, they are. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Still doesn't explain why Korean cartoons are in the database. Anime refers to JAPANESE cartoons.DrGeroCreation said: Because those are just outsourced. Then the Simpsons, Family Guy, and a lot of other American cartoons would be allowed in.MAL does seem biased when it comes to animation. If Korean cartoons can be added to the database then why can't cartoons that were partly animated in Japan such as Thundercats, Boondocks also be included? Korean cartoons are not anime. And my MAL's definition, they are. |
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DrGeroCreation said: MAL's definition doesn't refer to only Japanese animation.IntroverTurtle said: Still doesn't explain why Korean cartoons are in the database. Anime refers to JAPANESE cartoons.DrGeroCreation said: Because those are just outsourced. Then the Simpsons, Family Guy, and a lot of other American cartoons would be allowed in.MAL does seem biased when it comes to animation. If Korean cartoons can be added to the database then why can't cartoons that were partly animated in Japan such as Thundercats, Boondocks also be included? Korean cartoons are not anime. And my MAL's definition, they are. And MAL used to accept all different kinds of animation, but eventually had to cut a lot of stuff. They ended up keeping only Chinese, Korean, and Japanese animation. Don't remember exactly why, ask Kineta if you want to know. |
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IntroverTurtle said: MAL's definition is very strange and kind of confusing then because it doesn't adhere to either the western or Japanese definition of anime.DrGeroCreation said: MAL's definition doesn't refer to only Japanese animation.IntroverTurtle said: Still doesn't explain why Korean cartoons are in the database. Anime refers to JAPANESE cartoons.DrGeroCreation said: Because those are just outsourced. Then the Simpsons, Family Guy, and a lot of other American cartoons would be allowed in.MAL does seem biased when it comes to animation. If Korean cartoons can be added to the database then why can't cartoons that were partly animated in Japan such as Thundercats, Boondocks also be included? Korean cartoons are not anime. And my MAL's definition, they are. And MAL used to accept all different kinds of animation, but eventually had to cut a lot of stuff. They ended up keeping only Chinese, Korean, and Japanese animation. Don't remember exactly why, ask Kineta if you want to know. |
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