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| Well this one's gone to shit. I've already learned once the light swords materialize, it's best to just stop. |
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Splitter said: Well this one's gone to shit. I've already learned once the light swords materialize, it's best to just stop. At least give it a chance, until this arc ends. |
| I think the VN players should stop compare the anime and the VN, it just make the situation worse. @the anime watchers: Just ignore everything the VN players told you, most of those are depend on what they know in later arcs, at this point of the game they are just WTF as you are now. And I don't think this anime is that bad as an adaption. It may not be the best, but it's not bad either. Nothing important is left out, and you don't need explanation from VN players to understand it. Just watching the anime is enough. wakka9ca said: again, too much emphasis on the VN. As an adaptation, Deen definitely screwed up big time. Small details in the VN are actually important and it's really a shame Deen didn't get it right. VN readers don't realize the lack of it because they read the original that contained them. For non-VN readers, not only it's losing interest, it seems Deen messed up the characters as well (quite bland and lack devleopment) No, it's totally opposite. The VN players just complain about anything and everything that is left out. wakka9ca said: I lol'ed at Battler's arguments. Can he not find BETTER and more intelligent arguments than the obvious ones.....Jessica and Kanon's death were funny, because it looked fake and exaggerated.... What do you mean with "BETTER and more intelligent arguments" ? What is the need of complicated explanation if you can explain with simple ones ? |
Zedrane said: MarthX said: I dunno.. I think at this point, the anime is doing a good bad job. Things VN readers are explaining now are based off future knowledge, which is why they're able to understand things more clearly. When they were on EP2, I bet they were as confused as anime only watchers are now. (Yeah, we were.) Things *do not* become a lot more clearer in the next arc. Right now as an adaption, I would rate the anime a 7 5 out of 10. It's good bad but it could be a lot better worse. I fixed it for you. :P And I'm in a bad mood right now, please forgive me. I'd atleast give it a 7.5/10 out of 10 for now, but if they don't do Banquet that well i'll digress, and have to say otherwise. |
4saken_762 said: wakka9ca said: again, too much emphasis on the VN. As an adaptation, Deen definitely screwed up big time. Small details in the VN are actually important and it's really a shame Deen didn't get it right. VN readers don't realize the lack of it because they read the original that contained them. For non-VN readers, not only it's losing interest, it seems Deen messed up the characters as well (quite bland and lack devleopment) No, it's totally opposite. The VN players just complain about anything and everything that is left out. Welcome to every VN adaptation ever. Or even more accurate, every adaptation ever. I'm watching this as I read the SN while my gf is just watching the anime. She liked this episode a lot, while I found the metabattle a little too fast for comprehension; but all in all, I'm still enjoying the anime. So I don't think DEEN is doing a bad job, it's just people always expect better and the hype tends to harm their expectations. |
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| I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ |
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| For Umineko to be a 10/10 adaption, this season would have to be 50 episodes long. The pace would need to be a lot slower. It would better for VN readers but it would be harder to anime only watchers to get into. Instead of having 1 or 2 episodes of build up, you'd have like 3 or 4. That kind of pace is fine for a VN where you don't have to wait a week to see more of the arc but for an anime, that wouldn't be good. |
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Lemons said: Splitter said: Well this one's gone to shit. I've already learned once the light swords materialize, it's best to just stop. At least give it a chance, until this arc ends. It's on-hold right now. Call me if it ever gets better. Consider it dropped if it doesn't. |
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Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ You shouldn't feel that way. The anime is good. It's just that VN crowd is very vocal and whiny because they expect the anime to be as good when that just isn't possible. They also make dumb complaints like ___ didn't move me as much. Well no duh. You already know what's going to happen. That alone severely reduces the enjoyment. |
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Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ Yes I know I get the same feeling. It is like sitting with a group of people who read the book and then saw the movie. It is frustrating to read and listen too. |
 Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
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Suzune-chan said: Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ Yes I know I get the same feeling. It is like sitting with a group of people who read the book and then saw the movie. It is frustrating to read and listen too. What if you haven't played the VN, wanted this to be good, and then became more and more frustrated with it for every episode after Ep. 5? I ask because that's where I am. At least Higurashi threw you a bone with every new arc. This one's just sadistically boring. "Ooh, how exciting! She's part of the banquet now!" News flash, Battler: It's possible to accuse her for the murders as a human and not a witch :| |
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Splitter said: Suzune-chan said: Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ Yes I know I get the same feeling. It is like sitting with a group of people who read the book and then saw the movie. It is frustrating to read and listen too. What if you haven't played the VN, wanted this to be good, and then became more and more frustrated with it for every episode after Ep. 5? I ask because that's where I am. At least Higurashi threw you a bone with every new arc. This one's just sadistically boring. "Ooh, how exciting! She's part of the banquet now!" News flash, Battler: It's possible to accuse her for the murders as a human and not a witch :| Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. After episode five it kind of fell hard. To me it seems that each character has such a large ego that they can't seem to get over so the plot drags along with everyone being either one dimensional or arguing everything. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
| Sort of repetitive? Off to play the vn. |
Splitter said: Suzune-chan said: Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ Yes I know I get the same feeling. It is like sitting with a group of people who read the book and then saw the movie. It is frustrating to read and listen too. What if you haven't played the VN, wanted this to be good, and then became more and more frustrated with it for every episode after Ep. 5? I ask because that's where I am. At least Higurashi threw you a bone with every new arc. This one's just sadistically boring. "Ooh, how exciting! She's part of the banquet now!" News flash, Battler: It's possible to accuse her for the murders as a human and not a witch :| Your just not liking this arc, this isn't close to being Higurashi. But that would make him admit that she exists. |
Splitter said: I ask because that's where I am. At least Higurashi threw you a bone with every new arc. This one's just sadistically boring. "Ooh, how exciting! She's part of the banquet now!" Why do you compare to Higurashi's every "new arc" while this it the first "new arc", and it doesn't even end yet. What bone did the second arc of Higurashi throw you ? |
| This is just getting stupid. |
MarthX said: For Umineko to be a 10/10 adaption, this season would have to be 50 episodes long. The pace would need to be a lot slower. It would better for VN readers but it would be harder to anime only watchers to get into. Instead of having 1 or 2 episodes of build up, you'd have like 3 or 4. That kind of pace is fine for a VN where you don't have to wait a week to see more of the arc but for an anime, that wouldn't be good. Actually, I prefer a 50 episodes series because by rushing, they are missing the whole point of the original VN. They could easily screw up Banquet and Alliance if they rush it. It would be "wtf" for non-VN and VN readers equally. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
wakka9ca said: MarthX said: For Umineko to be a 10/10 adaption, this season would have to be 50 episodes long. The pace would need to be a lot slower. It would better for VN readers but it would be harder to anime only watchers to get into. Instead of having 1 or 2 episodes of build up, you'd have like 3 or 4. That kind of pace is fine for a VN where you don't have to wait a week to see more of the arc but for an anime, that wouldn't be good. Actually, I prefer a 50 episodes series because by rushing, they are missing the whole point of the original VN. They could easily screw up Banquet and Alliance if they rush it. It would be "wtf" for non-VN and VN readers equally. They can't screw up Alliance......Screw it, if DEEN handles Banquet horribly i'm calling this a shit adaption |
Lemons said: wakka9ca said: MarthX said: For Umineko to be a 10/10 adaption, this season would have to be 50 episodes long. The pace would need to be a lot slower. It would better for VN readers but it would be harder to anime only watchers to get into. Instead of having 1 or 2 episodes of build up, you'd have like 3 or 4. That kind of pace is fine for a VN where you don't have to wait a week to see more of the arc but for an anime, that wouldn't be good. Actually, I prefer a 50 episodes series because by rushing, they are missing the whole point of the original VN. They could easily screw up Banquet and Alliance if they rush it. It would be "wtf" for non-VN and VN readers equally. They can't screw up Alliance......Screw it, if DEEN handles Banquet horribly i'm calling this a shit adaption Same here. |
| i liked this ep. i'm really starting to love this anime. Beatrice just cornered him with the red letters thing... anyway i cant wait to see the next episode. |
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Jeeppu said: This episode made me love Kanon <3 Jessica and Kanon's dying scene was awesome but I wanted to hear Kanon's true name aaargh! XD I want the next episode ASAP. I know how you feel! It's killing me too :) I really do like him and the scene with Jessica rocked and I don't care what anyone else says >.< |
- Noblesse Oblige -  And I'm saying a prayer for  the desperate heart's tonight |
| I can't wait until the third arc starts so we can show the anime-watchers the Anti-Fantasy vs. Anti-Mystery thing. So many people are just giving up D: |
Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ OH no no!! I feel the same way sometimes but don't worry! I enjoy it also! so you have me :) I find it hard to post about the things I'm excited about, when I read just a few post's above people whining about it.. but everyone's different we all like different stuff and I actually wait online on Thursdays till this show gets released (such a nerd) but I look forward to it :) something so different then the usual anime shows. |
- Noblesse Oblige - And I'm saying a prayer for the desperate heart's tonight |
Sigyn said: Syl said: I feel like the black sheep for being able to enjoy this anime so much. :/ OH no no!! I feel the same way sometimes but don't worry! I enjoy it also! so you have me :) I find it hard to post about the things I'm excited about, when I read just a few post's above people whining about it.. but everyone's different we all like different stuff and I actually wait online on Thursdays till this show gets released (such a nerd) but I look forward to it :) something so different then the usual anime shows. It is very different from the usual shows. And even though it is a terrible adaption of the VN. It's still probably better than most, if not all, of the other shows this season. Simply because of the mediocrity of all the recent anime. I've found like 2 shows in the last four or so seasons that were actually any good. All the anime industry seems to be interested in making lately is stuff that sells for God knows what reason, and stuff that pleases the majority of the tasteless Otaku masses. Meaning moe blob crap like K-ON! and unoriginal shounen like Pandora Hearts and Naruto. It's seriously becoming a chore to find a show that's even good enough to finish anymore. /End Rant. Pardon me. |
| I get murderous rage watching this anime. Go to the Golden Land already you annoying pest! |
Zedrane said: It is very different from the usual shows. And even though it is a terrible adaption of the VN. It's still probably better than most, if not all, of the other shows this season. Simply because of the mediocrity of all the recent anime. I've found like 2 shows in the last four or so seasons that were actually any good. All the anime industry seems to be interested in making lately is stuff that sells for God knows what reason, and stuff that pleases the majority of the tasteless Otaku masses. Meaning moe blob crap like K-ON! and unoriginal shounen like Pandora Hearts and Naruto. It's seriously becoming a chore to find a show that's even good enough to finish anymore. /End Rant. Pardon me. Yeah...I don't think you're looking hard enough. This Summer is actually decent, and is probably on par with Spring. Winter was almost a total bust, save for Kemono no Souja Erin, and perhaps Rideback...and Spring has quite a few good shows (though there was a fair bit of garbage) like Eden of the East and Guin Saga. This season, Bakemonogatari is easily the best of the season with Tokyo Magnitude coming in a close second. That's also excluding a few sequels. Maybe you have narrow taste, but looking at the comparison of our lists, you haven't seen a lot of exceptional shows and many more solid ones. But you are right, the industry is sinking into a downward spiral of moe-fanservice or shounen-lamness garbage. |
noteDhero said: Zedrane said: It is very different from the usual shows. And even though it is a terrible adaption of the VN. It's still probably better than most, if not all, of the other shows this season. Simply because of the mediocrity of all the recent anime. I've found like 2 shows in the last four or so seasons that were actually any good. All the anime industry seems to be interested in making lately is stuff that sells for God knows what reason, and stuff that pleases the majority of the tasteless Otaku masses. Meaning moe blob crap like K-ON! and unoriginal shounen like Pandora Hearts and Naruto. It's seriously becoming a chore to find a show that's even good enough to finish anymore. /End Rant. Pardon me. Yeah...I don't think you're looking hard enough. This Summer is actually decent, and is probably on par with Spring. Winter was almost a total bust, save for Kemono no Souja Erin, and perhaps Rideback...and Spring has quite a few good shows (though there was a fair bit of garbage) like Eden of the East and Guin Saga. This season, Bakemonogatari is easily the best of the season with Tokyo Magnitude coming in a close second. That's also excluding a few sequels. Maybe you have narrow taste, but looking at the comparison of our lists, you haven't seen a lot of exceptional shows and many more solid ones. But you are right, the industry is sinking into a downward spiral of moe-fanservice or shounen-lamness garbage. Eh. Bakemonogatari is enjoyable but I think it tries too hard to be edgy with the frequent screens of text, abnormal camera angles and having the characters talk about nonsensical things during most of the episode. The show also has a lot of exposition for a 15 episode series with not much of a plot. |
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MarthX said: noteDhero said: Zedrane said: It is very different from the usual shows. And even though it is a terrible adaption of the VN. It's still probably better than most, if not all, of the other shows this season. Simply because of the mediocrity of all the recent anime. I've found like 2 shows in the last four or so seasons that were actually any good. All the anime industry seems to be interested in making lately is stuff that sells for God knows what reason, and stuff that pleases the majority of the tasteless Otaku masses. Meaning moe blob crap like K-ON! and unoriginal shounen like Pandora Hearts and Naruto. It's seriously becoming a chore to find a show that's even good enough to finish anymore. /End Rant. Pardon me. Yeah...I don't think you're looking hard enough. This Summer is actually decent, and is probably on par with Spring. Winter was almost a total bust, save for Kemono no Souja Erin, and perhaps Rideback...and Spring has quite a few good shows (though there was a fair bit of garbage) like Eden of the East and Guin Saga. This season, Bakemonogatari is easily the best of the season with Tokyo Magnitude coming in a close second. That's also excluding a few sequels. Maybe you have narrow taste, but looking at the comparison of our lists, you haven't seen a lot of exceptional shows and many more solid ones. But you are right, the industry is sinking into a downward spiral of moe-fanservice or shounen-lamness garbage. Eh. Bakemonogatari is enjoyable but I think it tries too hard to be edgy with the frequent screens of text, abnormal camera angles and having the characters talk about nonsensical things during most of the episode. The show also has a lot of exposition for a 15 episode series with not much of a plot. That's Shaft for you. |
| I disagree...it's just Shaft doing what they do, and in this case, it's their best go at it yet. I think all levels of production really help to elevate what could have been a bland girl/mystery of the week harem type show. Instead there is a good chunk of character development, and the characters interact in a very natural fashion even if they do so supernatural things. It manages to go for more than a couple trite emotional responses in a varied manner that is very entertaining. |
noteDhero said: I disagree...it's just Shaft doing what they do, and in this case, it's their best go at it yet. I think all levels of production really help to elevate what could have been a bland girl/mystery of the week harem type show. Instead there is a good chunk of character development, and the characters interact in a very natural fashion even if they do so supernatural things. It manages to go for more than a couple trite emotional responses in a varied manner that is very entertaining. I wasn't implying that Shaft was bad, though it may have seemed that way. They're an awesome studio. I haven't seen Bakemonogatari but it looks and sounds interesting. |
Zedrane said: [ It is very different from the usual shows. And even though it is a terrible adaption of the VN. It's still probably better than most, if not all, of the other shows this season. Simply because of the mediocrity of all the recent anime. I've found like 2 shows in the last four or so seasons that were actually any good. All the anime industry seems to be interested in making lately is stuff that sells for God knows what reason, and stuff that pleases the majority of the tasteless Otaku masses. Meaning moe blob crap like K-ON! and unoriginal shounen like Pandora Hearts and Naruto. It's seriously becoming a chore to find a show that's even good enough to finish anymore. /End Rant. Pardon me. While your rant has some potency in that the market is playing it safe right now with loads of shounen and moe, we're getting a lot of good things in the mix like Aoi Hana, Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, FMA: Brotherhood, and (quite possibly the guiltiest pleasure ever made) Needless. We're not in dire straits yet. I gotta ask though, if you're defending Umineko, why does your status say you dropped it? |
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Renza said: I wasn't implying that Shaft was bad, though it may have seemed that way. They're an awesome studio. I haven't seen Bakemonogatari but it looks and sounds interesting. Whoops! That was a disagreement with MarthX. Sorry, Renza. |
noteDhero said: Renza said: I wasn't implying that Shaft was bad, though it may have seemed that way. They're an awesome studio. I haven't seen Bakemonogatari but it looks and sounds interesting. Whoops! That was a disagreement with MarthX. Sorry, Renza. It's fine haha. It's my fault for thinking that was directed at me >_< |
UBWahAug 21, 2009 9:44 PM
| Well I thought it was a good episode. Since i don't have any of the VN background it seemed good to me. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
| Well, the episode was good, though goat scene somewhat showy. And for "human work" murded theoriest like me with no VN battleground it was somehow disapointment for a moment, like "wut? she realy killed those two? where goes atmosphere?". Thou seeing i understand the craziest is yet to come and just have fun. |
Wattson said: This episode disappointed me. I figured the reason that DEEN was rushing through the previous scenes was so that they would have time to do the meta battles well. But I felt that this episodes emphasis was on the Kanon fight and not the meta battle, which I think is wrong. It just felt like it had none of the impact that it should have. With that aside the rest of the episode was decent. I have no problems with the censorship, and the Kanon fight scene managed to be pretty dramatic even with me knowing what was going to happen. I just wish they didn't have to sacrifice the meta battle for it. I should probably change a bit of what I said. I originally stated that the episode disappointed me, but thats not true. The only thing I was disappointed with was the meta-battle and since that was at the end of the episode it just left me with that feeling when I made the post. As I stated before, I thought the rest of the episode was good. And I don't even think the meta-battle was bad. It's just that it wasn't the "fuck yeah" moment it could have been if DEEN put more effort into it than they did. |
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OmegaDenmad said: I can watch that all day long... x_X Hahaha, yeah that one. That is funny and ridiculous. |
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| So...is Truth automatically displayed in red, or can she choose when to use the red text? |
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Lapan said: So...is Truth automatically displayed in red, or can she choose when to use the red text? I think witch can deceive anytime since they work with the devil and my informative post shows that clearly. Beatrice will use all means on Battler. I hope he can prove with science and logic that her magic FAILED! |
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Lapan said: So...is Truth automatically displayed in red, or can she choose when to use the red text? She chooses when to use the red text. |
| This episode stopped being interesting when it turned into Bleach. LOL IMMA PULL OUT MY LIGHT SWORD AND CUT SUM GOATS LOLZ |
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