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| Aw, I actually cried. T_T |
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| That episode was very sad with jii-san and his wife :( |
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| ...You people are very sensitive, almost too sensitive lol; this episode made so many cry? Probably the episode I enjoyed the most atm; very nice pace and it didn't have annoying elements. I didn't even mind that the brat-girl was nice now, since after living what she lived up to now, it'd be more annoying/stupid if she didn't change. There wasn't anything 'surprising', and it was quite predictable, that's probably the biggest downside, imo. 4/5, still. Lol @ the people who actually thought the old guy worked in the black market with children/adults. |
HakoriaAug 9, 2009 10:43 AM
「Godspeed You! Black Emperor」 |
| Nice break from the chain of bad events our three characters encountered, it was sad, touching and showed that there are people out there who care about the others and want to do everything they can to help them. Furuichi's story was very sad, I was impressed by his ability to help after his loss (he must have a stong will), even if I think it's a good thing for him, keeping his mind of the tragedy he just lived. |
| I felt so bad for the grandma and was stunned when I saw the church. I am glad that Mirai is more accepting of Mari now. |
| -=Dear gravity don't let me go, hold me like the winter holds the cold=- |
| yes, yes it was sad. this whole series is quite sad. anyways, I think it's a bit ironic that there was an real 6.9 earthquake this morning 200 miles from Japan o.o |
p r o f i l e 👀 |
| The episode was very teary and I feel sorry for the 2 seniors The brown liquid pouring into the curry cracked me up because of the reaction of Mirai |
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| Gramps is a total badass with a heart o' gold! |
eRe4s3r said: Full ack ;) Though i find it equally hilarious anyone even comes close to tears with only this shallow drama... i shudder to think what flood people would cause if they'd all watch Air. (as in anime, not the air ;p) The level of realism between TM8.0 and Air is still a bit different. And that mere difference could mean whether people shed tears or not. Yes, Air is more dramatic, just like Clannad After Story is (they are both written by KEY), but it is not as touching (because it's a fantasy drama). Drama != Touchingly sad No matter how flawed TM8.0 is, it still is based on realism, whereas Air doesn't have that. And it doesn't focus only on the main characters using the "Greek tragedy" model. TM8.0 focuses more less egoistical theme and small touching details on the side characters. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| damn man, i almost cried when furuichi says "i should've been the one who dies... i want the young lives..." damn it's so touching ! |
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| Great touching episode, much better than the last one. I was so sad at the end... T_T |
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wakka9ca said: The level of realism between TM8.0 and Air is still a bit different. And that mere difference could mean whether people shed tears or not. Yes, Air is more dramatic, just like Clannad After Story is (they are both written by KEY), but it is not as touching (because it's a fantasy drama). Drama != Touchingly sad No matter how flawed TM8.0 is, it still is based on realism, whereas Air doesn't have that. And it doesn't focus only on the main characters using the "Greek tragedy" model. TM8.0 focuses more less egoistical theme and small touching details on the side characters. Besides the unrealistic small-parts KEY always has with their characters/story, the rest is completely realistic, when it comes to their situation/what happens to them/what happened to them/etc, and that's why people shed tears for those animes. I don't consider the drama in KEY's animes to be fantasy, since the drama itself lies within the real aspect and not the fantasy one (main exception would be a certain arc in Kanon 2006). Just wanted to make it clear on how I see it, They are also good at moving people because the link you have with the concerned character is built up very well (especially if you marathon, since you love someone and not even 2 hours later you're rendered speechless and feel like stabbing someone else, or however you like releasing your frustrations| I'm not even going to mention the use of their amazing music tracks, that's also something that shouldn't be overlooked, and people have mentioned familiar things for this episode); TM.8 has done that in it's previous episodes though. What TM.8 did with this episode is indeed quite different than the more usual drama-oriented animes/stories, but there are also animes that have done better in that category. What I mean with all of that: TM.8 does it good, but it didn't stand out in any category atm, which is why seeing people be moved this much (to the point of crying) is surprising. I know that all of that depends with the person, but I'm just stating one of my thoughts. Like eRe4s3r said, Air is a good example, but Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is a better example if you want something that's realist (no fantasy side-story), touchingly sad (it occurs more than we'd want, sadly, so a lot might feel connected to it this way (just as how people are moved by the earthquake scenario because they live on the Californian coast)), and doesn't concentrate on just 1 main girl in general (it's not by KEY, that explains the last thing). Some VNs are also good in the realism (no-fantasy drama), but after choosing a certain girl, I don't know many which still concentrate/talk about the other girls more than only a couple of times in 2-3 hours of reading text. If you take an overall look at those 'multiple-girls 1-guy' animes, most of the girls which don't end up with the main char are important for a few eps, then pretty much gone for the rest of the anime; I'd consider them side-characters too, since a main one would demand to actually be important/present the entire show and not just one arc, IMO, (or at least have a very important influence/action done in the first half that would mean you can't forget him by the time the second half is done) Anyway, I agree that it's quite hard to find a sad story about small side characters unless you do a general aspect of people's situation. So it was a nice change seeing Bones do this. |
HakoriaAug 10, 2009 2:37 PM
「Godspeed You! Black Emperor」 |
Hakoria said: Besides the unrealistic small-parts KEY always has with their characters/story, the rest is completely realistic, when it comes to their situation/what happens to them/what happened to them/etc, and that's why people shed tears for those animes. But that aspect of the main girl dying from either a mysterious incurable disease or due to some fantasy-related twisted fate no longer fall into the category of standard realism. Of course, this does not mean the series are bad, it just means it's not the same as TM8.0. Hakoria said: Like eRe4s3r said, Air is a good example, but Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is a better example if you want something that's realist (no fantasy side-story), touchingly sad (it occurs more than we'd want, sadly, so a lot might feel connected to it this way (just as how people are moved by the earthquake scenario because they live on the Californian coast)), and doesn't concentrate on just 1 main girl in general (it's not by KEY, that explains the last thing). No offense, but the main male protagonist of Kimi ga nozumu Eien destroyed the series. I've come to hate him as much as Shinji from NGE. It completely destroyed any possibility of me being "touched" by the series...I wouldn't have cared if all the characters horribly died (maybe except Mitsuki) Hakoria said: If you take an overall look at those 'multiple-girls 1-guy' animes, most of the girls which don't end up with the main char are important for a few eps, then pretty much gone for the rest of the anime; I'd consider them side-characters too, since a main one would demand to actually be important/present the entire show and not just one arc, IMO, (or at least have a very important influence/action done in the first half that would mean you can't forget him by the time the second half is done) I think it's just me who has a grudge against harem series that try so hard to be realistic, dramatic and sad (yeah, Clannad AS was sad I admit it). Strange because I usually can watch fantasy harem comedy to SOME extent....I think the main reason is that I often find the main male character annoying as hell (not really true for Clannad though, but I still was a bit not impressed). Anyway, I personally find TM8.0 more touching because they focus on often trivial details and there are no exaggerated "Greek tragedy" as in all of KEY's works..... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| We'll see if TM8.0 continues with that realist drama though; the series is far from finished, and some parts might give the idea that they might exaggerate soon, but that's just imo. Eh, I'll reply to the key/greek-tragedy discussion on your profile if you don't mind, since it might go off-topic here. |
「Godspeed You! Black Emperor」 |
| I'm on wakka's side. Kimi ga nozumu Eien is a loathsome series, and like him, I can't really stand the Key series because it's all so forumlaic and obvious. It's easier to surprise viewers within one episode with cameos than it is with a big cast and arced/serialized stories. |
| I am second that, I know my score of those Key series are high but it doesn't matter because the point is that I agree with wakka9ca, excepted Kimi ga Nozomu Eien since I haven't seen it yet. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| I have seen GotF...and you are right, much like the Key series, its only goal is to make the viewer cry without doing proper work with the characters, just sad things, and thus is shallow garbage. The point of the church was to ruin the fantasy that Mirai has of her school, and to show her that her "friend's" mother had died, leading to a really good moment where Mirai examined her feelings of helplessness. This was also hearkened at the end when she learns of Furuichi's encounter with the earthquake. She feel despicable for her actions when someone who has actually lost not one but two people is actually making the effort of being some use. |
| Haven't seen GotF, so I can't really say what I thought of it, haha. eRe4s3r said: maintain the mood of large scale catastrophe with streaks of hope (way too much hope, but ok ;p) Mirai's still a child/teen, the old guy knew that, so giving them this kind of hope (being quite a lot) isn't really unbelievable; a lot of people (especially in such situations) believe that the younger generations will have to be strong and continue their lives proudly/well once everything is over, that's why giving her hope was like an important task to him whether he knew her or not. If you meant that the majority of the viewers have hope that there will be a good ending, then that's obvious. No one is in this actual situation in Japan with them; if people actually were, it's only natural to have hope/faith in something, or else you find the point of your existence far more void. No one is viewing the anime/situation completely into it, since we're not personally concerned by an earthquake of scale 8 by Richter (or w/e); it's like how you can't predict how you will act once facing with death. This is also an anime, and over half of the time there are good endings (just like movies, etc, since a lot want to give faith in humankind, messages of not giving up, etc), so statistically, the chances of a good ending here (maybe one of the parents will be dead, obvious drama pointing out 'even though you lost half of your happiness (family here), that just means you have to love the second half twice as much') are higher. My example would still be a good ending if it's done normally, even without being exaggerated to make you think it's more of a good one than a bad one. It's true that the church's point was as noteDhero said, at least that's how I also viewed it; but it's also pointing out something quite interesting. A lot of people were especially moved by what the grandpa had to live through, but that's because we've got to know him and that made people more attached to him. But like eRe4s3r said, the church full of dead people, should logically be far more sad, yet it wasn't the case, because no one had any attachments to them/knew them. Sadly, I can't say I'm even the least bit surprised by human's emotions depending on the situations, since knowing this before-hand made this part obvious when I watched the episode (it almost seems like people completely forgot about the church/school; role done, you can leave now, ty). It attaches itself to our reality quite well. I'm not complaining about how stupid this seemed, since it was far from that; it's exactly what would happen for most people irl. I just find it funny that showing this might have not even been the intention from the start (by the studio), although it could also have (and putting more time on another subject to make this one more discreet isn't a 'rare' way of making movies/etc). Also the fact it surely made some people consider themselves humane for having such feelings instead of apathetic ones, even though this is just an anime, yet they were focused only on a group of characters, the one you know things of. That would greatly vary depending on if you consider someone humane if he follows the average logic/reactions of most humans (this case, group 1), or if he actually believes in all the 'every human should be equal, no one is more important than another, etc' (group 2). Here I meant, group 1 believing they are acting like group 2 would be, yet are unbelievably false, even to the point of being blind. It's easy to say "It's possible that the fact you don't know anything about the other families is far from helping the 'feeling pity/sad for them' situation, but that's also re-enforced the belief that they might not be worth your time for all they've done in the past (murder, etc)", but that'd become too philosophical, and then the same could still hold true with the old guy. I'd be surprised if it was the case, seeing this anime isn't taking this kind of route, but it seems no one even though that the story of the old guy might be 90% lies by the time the episode finished. I'm not convinced that it's mainly lies, but people also forget that exaggerations can be useful in this situation, and are obviously strong believers of 'In such a situation, how can you believe people would lie, it's impossible!'. I'm viewing all of that from a more neutral p.o.v, I didn't feel sad either for the dead mass in the church nor for the old guy, but the latter was probably made obvious by the time you arrived at this part of the post, heh. |
HakoriaAug 11, 2009 2:07 AM
「Godspeed You! Black Emperor」 |
| I can`t figure this show out. there was absolutely no concept to this episde, and mirai is somewhat annoying. I just can't see where is this going.. |
_Gal_ said: It's about surviving a natural disaster, what's there to get? You want an adventure or something?I can`t figure this show out. there was absolutely no concept to this episde, and mirai is somewhat annoying. I just can't see where is this going.. |
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aero said: It's about surviving a natural disaster Yeah, I'll stick to that too, a survival story. But it all feel so artificial, walking an unnatural path... I mean, you feel the hand of the author driving the characters... It's still borderline between "epic story of a bunch of people who made the difference in the disaster" and "common people trying to survive" after 5/11 eps. I liked this one episode because the old man felt just like an ordinary person... The main group, on the contrary, survived in person to: the fall of the highway, the fall of the bridge, the fall of Tokyo Tower. Not your average disaster story. I hope they'll choose either the "casual hero" path or the "average survivor" path by the next episode. |
_Gal_ said: I can`t figure this show out. there was absolutely no concept to this episde, and mirai is somewhat annoying. I just can't see where is this going.. I'm surprised you felt this way about Mirai, because she was a lot more likable this episode! She finally stopped throwing those tantrums (for now). The 'theme' for this episode is death. We caught glimpses of it in the past four shows, but this is the first time that the series explored the topic thoroughly. First, we saw Mirai's classmate mourning over her mother's death; then, we learned more about the old man's grandchildren. The fact that Mirai was upset on both accounts, even though she never met the deceased before, shows she has a lot of empathy for other people's pain. She doesn't express it in the most helpful way (through her tears), but it's a refreshing side to her personality after acting like a brat for so long. With that said, I didn't think this was a very powerful episode dramatically, although I predict the emotional impact will increase as the show progresses. I think they're saving the tearjerker scenes for later, if something happens to the main characters' families. |
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| Cry cry cry :( that's all I do when I watch this anime man... I really like this episode a lot, especially the fact that we see the characters stationary at a familiar place and interacting with other characters.. noteDhero said: Omg I hated that series. I've never hated any character THAT much, but damn I hated that blue-haired b*tch >:(!!Kimi ga nozumu Eien is a loathsome series |
| Wow, this was much better than the previous episode. I cried at the end. ;_; |
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Wasabi said: I'm glad Mirai is finally over her PMS so we can now focus more on the emotions of other characters. I agree, it's nice to finally have a larger perspective. Emotional episode, I even got a couple of tears rolling down my cheeks, which is pretty unusual for me. I'm loving this series more and more. |
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| I feel very, very bad after watching this episode, very well done. |
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| I really liked this ep, I wil admit I did tear up after hearing Furuichi's story. I can't imagine what it would be like in real life. T__T |
| this was a nice episode. finally mrai stops being bratty.. i admit she reminds me of myself sometimes, though haha. so sad when furuichi was like.. i shoulda been the one who died > < |
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| I kinda teared up. T_T And somebody give that old guy a par of GAR glasses. If anybody deserves them, he does. |
| I shed some tears. I blame it on the music playing at the time. |
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| This episode is more depressing than the previous episode. Mirai is finally no longer annoying to me. |
fisher_88 said: Hey, hey, where did little miss whiny-face go! Was she hit on the head when the tower fell? Now, she's a nice, even sensitive, kid? That was a 180 character transformation if I ever saw one. Yeah. But it was nice seeing her smiling, caring about others and stuff. I hope Furuichi-san's story will have a constant impact on her xD Furuichi-ojiisan is awesome >w< and poor Misako-san T^T |
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| And the most epic awesome old man in anime award goes to... Mr. Furuichi! he needs a medal... |
| i shed a few tears when i saw the kids, my eye balls just suddenly started to hurt and a few tears followed afterwards. kids and females are my weakness. |
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| OMG, jii-chan. ;___________; |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
Persocom said: very touching episode TRUE. |
| Yeah there is a think that you can do Mirai, stop being a fucking pain! |
| Very emotional episode. Great. |
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| Not one of the better eps, in my opinion. It was alright though. |
| oh..another sad episode...poor Gramps losing his grandchildren... ;_; and the Tokyo tower ;_; RIP |
| what a sad episode :(...at first i thought the grandma has alzheimer :(,but still this sucks,and the old man is a great character such a heartwarming yet bitter episode :( 5/5 |
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