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I think Mayushi is still hiding something and will end up being the sacrifice anyway. It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light (futuristic time travel?) and younger Okarin's decision to stop her from leaving. There are still dark plot twists buried in there.... maybe she'll go back to the future or something. *cue theme music*
arrozykamehameha said: does anyone here know what Kurisu meant to say with the "did you try to feel me up"?
She was just making a joke because she doesn't really understand/remember what exactly Okabe told her about the original world line. That's what I think.
saka said: It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light
even though this episode has some omitted scenes and some alternation, i could enjoy it. FB was not FaceBook. i've forgotten the details of events, but i can tell that okarin must have talked more with moeka in VN. to see omitted events and to enjoy detailed conversations is also the reason to play VN! i think.
When the ending song came up (which always somehow is perfectly transitioned), I had to restrain from smashing my face on my laptop as I thought about how many more days I have to wait...
What a cliffhanger..I wonder how this is all going to end! On another note, this episode was fantastic :D
Off to rewatch the first episode again then.... o-o
arrozykamehameha said: does anyone here know what Kurisu meant to say with the "did you try to feel me up"?
She was just making a joke because she doesn't really understand/remember what exactly Okabe told her about the original world line. That's what I think.
Yes. I know that she was just joking.
But because a matter of language, I don't understand what "feel me up" means.
I mean, in what sense was that? in the "annoy me" sense (if that exists xD) or the "touch me" one? xD
BTW I knew that Okabe was a "little slow" (to figure out things), but I wasn't expecting the same slowness from Kurisu xd
Yes. I know that she was just joking.
But because a matter of language, I don't understand what "feel me up" means.
I mean, in what sense was that? in the "annoy me" sense (if that exist xD) or the "touch me" one? xD
BTW I knew that Okabe was a "little slow" (to figure out things), but I wasn't expecting the same slowness from Kurisu xd
"Feel me up" in my experience has always meant "touch my breasts".
Remember, Kurisu only knows what Okabe told her, and I'm pretty sure everything he told her is what we saw in Episode 2. Just something about her being stabbed and him touching her. It's understandable that it could've slipped her mind for the most part.
The preview makes the next episode look boring. I guess after a string of seven excellent episodes in a row, there has to be some sort of drop.
I really want to play the VN, but I can't until it is translated.
"Feel me up" in my experience has always meant "touch my breasts".
Remember, Kurisu only knows what Okabe told her, and I'm pretty sure everything he told her is what we saw in Episode 2. Just something about her being stabbed and him touching her. It's understandable that it could've slipped her mind for the most part.
Haha, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Is just that it seemed a little weird to me that Kurisu said that with such a happy mood/humor/face/whatever (with the "shut up pervert!" thing of her xd)
Haha, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Is just that it seemed a little weird to me that Kurisu said that with such a happy mood/humor/face/whatever (with the "shut up pervert!" thing of her xd)
It was just a hypothetical that she suggested, I believe subtly referring to a belief that Okabe is pathetic. If Okabe himself had alluded to something like that, then it would've been a different story, methinks.
bakuramariks said: It's obvious now. Everything will end the way it started!
;_;
No, that can't be! There has to be a world where both Kurisu and Mayushii survive, and where SERN doesn't create a dystopia. There has to. ;_;
ya the beta line he decided to return it to the alpha line but the beta is where he wants to go
The potential worldline where both might live is omega. But there's no guarantee.
There's also no way to be sure that in beta SERN doesn't create a dystopia anyway.
Mayushi may survive there, but that's also still speculation until we see for sure.
Who's to say that she doesn't simply just die a week later in both omega and beta?
It's all speculation until the story fully plays out, and the future is always uncertain. ;)
Saw that final revelation coming. Didn't see FB though. I was too caught up with FB = Facebook to consider the matter seriously.
My analysis on the time travel and predictions. And by Analysis I mean wild and detailed conjecture and too much "reading into" that I spent way too much time typing out for a silly but excellent anime:
I think it's important to realize that the very first time line, which existed before the first D-mail we see sent, is the timeline in which all of the involved events (the creation of a time machine in its various forms, and the events in the future and Suzuha's trip to the past) is both the most widespread timeline and the one that we see actually NEVER see and know very little. I will cause this timeline Prime. Notice that I'm saying that the first TL we see, then one in which Kurisu dies mysteriously, is not Prime. This is, or is close to, Divergence Line Alpha (for ease, I'll just refer to this as Alpha). Prime is the line that is not a divergent. Remembering that when a divergent occurs, the original TL does not end, it continues in parallel with the divergence. So if we consider all the parallel time lines as a kind of tree, then Prime is the trunk of the tree, in the very center, that grows straight vertically never ending.
Now eventually, in Prime, a time machine of significance is created (I'm labeling SERN's past experiments as inconsequential and assuming that none of them causes a divergence line). This probably happens years, or maybe decades later than the events we see, but it happens and Okabe is probably at the center of it (If there is one theme Steins;gate has been repeating, it's that fate isn't easily changed but easily delayed or hastened). Kurisu did not die in this timeline, but she did have a public argument with Okabe, which pretty much means Kurisu won't be working with Okabe. That is, until SERN recruits Kurisu in their time machine research despite being a critic of time travel. I think at this point, Kurisu involves herself with Okabe, maintains secrecy on her SERN connections, eventually sells Okabe out and -- bam -- SERN has a time machine and uses it to create the SERN controlled distopia we keep hearing about. I should note that sometime during this process, we enter the very first divergent lines due to experimentation and are no longer dealing with Prime. Okabe, with his Reading Steiner ability (on which the origins of I will not speculate on), realizes that SERN has caused a significant divergence line, and forms a resistance that eventually leads to physical time travel and sending a person back in time.
At this point we now have a cycle which each new divergence line that ends in another physical time travel attempt, and with each divergence the actual time -span- encapsulating all of these events decreases. The reasons for the decreased time span is twofold:
1) With each physical time travel event, the traveler makes an attempt to find they key events whose outcome will decide the future, and their accuracy improves with each attempt. and,
2) The development of the time machine is accelerated in each divergence line.
Proof of this cycle is actually in the series. You may recall that when we first hear of John Titor, Okabe is looking for information of someone who appeared on the internet years earlier, claimed he was a time traveler, and then disappeared. He quickly finds that those events apparently never happened, but is actually happening at that very moment. This is because what Okabe remembers is from Divergence Line Alpha, in which John Titor (who we actually canNOT assume is Suzuha) appears years earlier. But we are now in a new Divergence Line, caused by the D-mail that somehow prevented Kurisu's death. And in this particular divergence line, we know that Suzuha eventually travels back in time to the present day, to be the John Titor that interacts with Okabe. We can see there is a cycle, and that cycle is reducing itself and is narrowing down on what we might call the event horizon -- the moment whose outcome has the potential of achieving Divergence Line Beta.
I fully intended to re-watch the first episode before continuing with a prediction, cause I'm sure there are important details to consider. But it took way to long to type all that convoluted crap above so I'll watch it later and say this now:
I think a Suzuha from the future comes to kill Kurisu and another Okabe from the future, but possibly not the same future, tries to save Kurisu. This would be why other people have reported hearing Okabe's voice yell before Okabe got there. I just spent maybe 20 minutes trying to reason on how that would happen, but I kept finding glaring holes. And then I typed that sentence and came up with a much better explanation that I'm too tired to ramble about.
But it took way to long to type all that convoluted crap above so I'll watch it later and say this now: I think a Suzuha from the future comes to kill Kurisu and another Okabe from the future, but possibly not the same future, tries to save Kurisu. This would be why other people have reported hearing Okabe's voice yell before Okabe got there..
It wasn't convoluted crap at all until you got to this part. All of what you said was completely sound (although the beginning is actually pretty obvious), and is what I've been thinking also. Your terminology is a bit confusing, but I think you're on track. I too was of the opinion that the 2000 John Titor may not have been Suzuha.
really looking forward to the ending, 4 episodes should be just enough to wrap it up, if paced correctly. If they pull it off, this anime should be used as an example for all other animes on how to correctly adapt from another medium and how to properly pace an anime.
Lol I re-watched the first episode and it just perfectly makes sense. Even the title of the first episode was a foreshadowing..."Prologue of the Beginning and the End".
Now, I'm just looking forward to how the ending plays out. The ending will say whether this anime is a 9/10 or 10/10 in my book.
I just re watched the 1st episode after watching the last one and after reading all this thread, and i even a little more confused.
As i see, the 1st episode it could be also the 23 or 22, still being in the Beta line of events, meaning that the death of Kurisu is needed to ironically stop her dead and her original death not being part of the Alpha time line.
But maybe im just to tired to think but right now that seems like a very possible way to Okarin actually saving both of his friend and stopping the dystopia to happend.
btw
saka said: I think Mayushi is still hiding something and will end up being the sacrifice anyway. It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light (futuristic time travel?) and younger Okarin's decision to stop her from leaving. There are still dark plot twists buried in there.... maybe she'll go back to the future or something. *cue theme music*
It's painful to come in here and not be able tell some people they are wrong XD
kaimax said:
darkziosj said:
kaimax said:
Omitted stuff
wow they omitted that? that sucks, i hope they somehow fit it in the next episode
They won't, trying to forcefully insert that in the next chapter is just "pushing it".
and if you think bit, the "omitted scenes" doesn't really affect the main story at all. It just complicated things and just trivial knowledge since they never made any kind of closure with that "sub-plot" in the VN.
Basically it's a sub-plot, and the anime didn't need it. Another reason to play the VN
It kinda does, since it explains why Suzuha said Okarin was assassinated in 2035. They should have left that part of the conversation out if they weren't going to follow through with WHY he was assassinated in the future.
If I came into this series cold turkey, and we get the true ending (which has a 110% chance of happening), I would still want to know why he dies 25 years later in the different time line. This episode was supposed to explain that.
Oh, my God...it seems that you have lost Okabe. Someone has to die. Well, four more episodes to go, I REALLY wonder what will happen. I would love a happy ending, but I'm not sure we can get one. Here's hoping for the best.
I rewatechd first episode and got lots of questions, for instance:
1 - If John Titor time travelled to the year of 2010 (and only to that time) that we could even see the time machine landing on the rooftop, how everyone knew about him in the year of 2000?
Then I just started reading the novelty, and it makes sense now (there is an explanation). It seens that the anime forgot to explain this and other stuff. I recommend everyone to read it.
Well, I'm guessing there is no more "obstacles" now to shift from alpha to beta line.
The only problem now for Kyouma, is to choose between Kurisu or Mayuri.
Here are the interesting choices that Kyouma can make (theorized by a blogger in RC):
1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
4. Kurisu, understanding the situaion (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake
I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
"Seize the time, Meribor - live now! Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
chococya96 said: Well, I'm guessing there is no more "obstacles" now to shift from alpha to beta line.
The only problem now for Kyouma, is to choose between Kurisu or Mayuri.
Here are the interesting choices that Kyouma can make (theorized by a blogger in RC):
1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
4. Kurisu, understanding the situaion (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake
Well guys. what do you think?
1. The most logical one. We will definitely return to ep1, where all begins.
2. There's already a Gamma Worldline for the drama CDs.
3. Okabe won't be able to observe the outcome if he's dead.
4. It's the same as option 1.
Archie74 said: I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
It's definitely Kurisu. But I understand what you observed. Food for thought.
I just hate Hanada Jukki. I was already pissed off by his poor execution of Mayuri's 1st death and Okabe's 1st timeleap. He tends to keep those unnecessary scenes and cuts those relevant ones. Yuugo was originally intended to
save Moeka by abandoning her, so why would he kill Moeka all of a sudden and doesn't give it a damn? Hanada even omitted Nae's part. The dramas between Yuugo, Nae and Moeka are ALL GONE ENTIRELY. I love you, Hanada!
This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
That was cutest part in the episode and you can so see in the spoiler
Okabe+Dr. Pepper x Makise+Dr. Pepper = nice couple. Right?
Archie74 said: I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
Well if it helps I got the BD version in the spoiler
and it show that Makise's face is more shadowed. It still does not matter because Okabe knows it's her. It's just a way of foreshadow and since my source is BD that's how it is. Therefore no censors.
You got to admit though it's so orgasmic to see that the BDs bring JUSTICE to this series. All is much more sharper and better.
A comparing of TV VS BD with TV being the first pic in the spoiler
What do you say to that!
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During the last episode, I felt a bit awkward when they didn't show the foreshadow of it
Anyway,I don't really care about the "omitted stuff", I think that part is a bit illogical(due to the high requirement of that timeleap machine) the moment when I play. It give me the " huh, wat? "feeling .Those who play the VN should know this better than me...
I can't believe Makise has fallen into the hand of Dr.Pepper. lol
there are too much Okarin x Kurisi and too little Okarin x Mayushii .I somehow felt sorry for Mayushii T.T
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
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Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
I think so.... I haven't seen the true end before, but I bet both will survive
I just read the story from wikipedia... I don't think that all the things that happened on the game can be resumed in just 4 episodes. Urging to see next episode.
Yumekichi11 said: Comparing versions of Moeka’s death as follows,
And the one from the VN in the spoiler
I would have to say the VN one looks better.
It's not only visually better, it's way more emotional.
Nae ran a freaking knife through Moeka's chest.
Moeka apologizes again and again and again in tears until she passes away, despite Okabe said he has already forgiven her. I bet Okabe cried too. ='(
MorningGlory said:
Yumekichi11 said:
MorningGlory said:
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
I think so.... I haven't seen the true end before, but I bet both will survive
Chiyomaru said
they will follow the true end route. Guess what.
Seriously, I won't forgive Hanada if he continues to stain the original scripts of Hayashi-sensei. Don't you dare to make it into another Chaos;Head adaptation. >= [
rodrigojager said: I just read the story from wikipedia... I don't think that all the things that happened on the game can be resumed in just 4 episodes. Urging to see next episode.
well, to me the only way possible to save Kurisu, might be Okarin to let her die and then go further into the past again and maybe try to save her... just like he has been doing with Mayuri.
or maybe, the scream we heard on episode one if it was really from Okarin, then there might be a chance that it was Okarin from the future?
i dunno why but im expecting a similar end to the movie "the butterfly effect" LOOOL.
Yeah, I am very curious that I can't handle myself... Also I've just read all mangas, and read the story of the game on wikipedia, and now I'm going to watch/play the visual novel...
The Anime just trying to shrink the story to fit inside 24episode.Nae's scene is just part of the sub plot just like how they cut the scene of 4°C.
Since Mr.brown pull Okabe and the other out from the house and into an empty construction site,thus Nae won't be able meet the disastrous suicide and conversation from Mr.brown. In Anime, Mr.brown is more concern on Nae .Imagine Mr.Brown suicide inside the house with Nae in it , its not good. The story for this episode is okay(there is no problem), but its not as "stimulus" like in VN. (sometimes the plot in VN makes me wanna bang the wall with my head >_< ).
Having Moeka and Mr.brown die in front of Okabe is enough mental damage for Okabe already.
Its quite weird that why Okarin vomit when both die. I thought Okarin witness the death of Mayuri for more than 100times.He should have get used to the sight of death.
Well , I am surprise I saw many msg in forum, people(non- VN player) saying that they wanted to play the VN to find out what with "the missing Nae scene".
He finally realizes Kurisu's death will have to be dealt with aswell...
After watching this episode, I'm doubting every character besides Mayuri, Rumiho & Ruka... Yes even Okabe - He's probably my favorite character for this entire year so far. But - I went back to re-watch the first episode to get any clues & during Kurisu getting stabbed scene, the yell is extremely similar to Okabe's voice...
Wait....You're right. Another very important piece of information is that she said he tried to tell her something 15 minutes ago and that he really looked worried. If he looked worried then he was aware Makise was about to die. !_! Could it be that Okarin finally managed to physically time travel? That would mean that the male scream was Future Okarin perhaps trying to save her?
Another important thing might be the disappearance of the Metal Oppa and his phone sihning brightly like when the phone microwave is on just before Mayuri finds him telling the Metal Oppa is missing.
If d-mail only changes the world line but doesn't allow you to go back and change things then that would mean he would have to either time leap (but that doesn't explains him not remembering trying to warn makise 15 minutes ago unless his reading steiner failed as Suzuha's memory failed when she time travelled).
The other option that I considered which makes sense with the male voice is that Okarin finally found a way to physically travel back in time but moves silently trying to not meet himself evading a paradox. He could warn Makise 15 minutes before that he needs to tell her something with his extremely worried face but then is forced to run away or hide. The past Okarin would have no recollection of this conversation. But does that mean that he also stole the Metal Oppa? How did he not get turned into jelly? Then he probably tries to save Makise and fails and when he hears his past self coming he quickly hides. That would explain the odd sounds past Okarin heard.
MorningGlory said: The Anime just trying to shrink the story to fit inside 24episode.Nae's scene is just part of the sub plot just like how they cut the scene of 4°C.
Since Mr.brown pull Okabe and the other out from the house and into an empty construction site,thus Nae won't be able meet the disastrous suicide and conversation from Mr.brown. In Anime, Mr.brown is more concern on Nae .Imagine Mr.Brown suicide inside the house with Nae in it , its not good. The story for this episode is okay(there is no problem), but its not as "stimulus" like in VN. (sometimes the plot in VN makes me wanna bang the wall with my head >_< ).
Having Moeka and Mr.brown die in front of Okabe is enough mental damage for Okabe already.
Its quite weird that why Okarin vomit when both die. I thought Okarin witness the death of Mayuri for more than 100times.He should have get used to the sight of death.
Well , I am surprise I saw many msg in forum, people(non- VN player) saying that they wanted to play the VN to find out what with "the missing Nae scene".
Hanada Jukki officially killed 4°C, Yuugo and Nae.
The whole shooting scene wasn't a mental blow. Okabe was merely shocked. And Yuugo shot Moeka like he's killing a cattle. Crap. It's nothing compared to the original plot. The reflection of Okabe's guilt. The tragic atmosphere. The burning hatred. Salvation. It was a mental blow to us VN reader, not Okabe. I still couldn't calm down from this mess. Screw you, Hanada Bastard Jukki. Play the VN before you write ur freaking scripts.