jmal said: hpulley said: The support for a second season seems a bit dubious. We love to mention 'the line' but some very successful and popular shows like Durarara never got a season two and yet some other shows with very poor sales get a second season... The fact that we can name some exceptions doesn't at all change the truth of the simple statement underlying it: properties that are more profitable are more likely to continue. And one of the main ways an anime becomes profitable is if people buy the DVDs and BDs. Therefore, many of my purchases are done in hopes of seeing sequels get animated. While there are dozens of other factors, it's still a significant factor, and just about the only one we as fans and consumers have any input into. Not disputing that, and Durarara may get another season... one day... just wondering about my question about the decisions to make sequels vs. making new stuff. More from the standpoint of the producers than the customers. Somewhat known quantities in sequels (which seem to drop season after season) vs. unknown but potentially even higher selling new series. As a customer all you can do is support your favorite show in the hopes that more will be made. Then it is out of your hands. |
hpulley said: You mean why someone would choose to buy BD/DVD for one anime work but not for another? I would say that the effect of peer group pressure from 2ch or any social group is minimal because otaku are usually not very social, particularly regarding their hobby. And even for casual fans who buy BD/DVD, they do not often find a lot of people to talk about it. From what I gather, social group almost never features in any discussion about buying or watching anime BD/DVD. So that is out. But I guess I phrased my question poorly because I really meant: why do people buy Girls Und Panzer rather than Kotoura-san? What, beyond them forgetting to record Girls Und Panzer but remembering to record Kotoura-san would make them buy one show over the other? Do they prefer Gargantia over Majestic Prince more because of the character designs, the seiyuu, the music, the story, the characters? Is it mostly their own choice? Is it because 2ch or their social group says it would be cool to own one but uncool to own the other one? Is it because they read the original material? Or do many of them discover the original material after the anime comes out or when it is announced? As for the original material, a lot of bestselling adaptation works with >10k sales indeed come from fans of the original material (e.g. SAO, Bakemonogatari etc). We can see some of the "brand buying" when titles jump to high places right after it starts to be solicited in Amazon but the anime may not even have aired. But it is not limited to the most popular works, it also what happened in the case for MaoYuu, a fairly popular novel, for example. On the other hand, anime can also increase awareness and get people to discover the original material -- this is perhaps even the bigger reason for an adaptation anime to be made than pushing the anime BD/DVD sales. This of course also happens in even well known works like SAO or Bakemonogatari too, but then the thinking is that such magic will work for lesser known works. And back to your original question of why someone chooses to buy the anime of one work over another, I guess the reasons I listed also apply (e.g.to own). I guess your question is more about why one wants to own and collect one series but not another. And you are right in saying that it is a combination of character designs, seiyuu, music, story, directing, animation etc that get people to want to buy. Just being interesting enough to continue watching the whole series on TV is not good enough. There must be something that clicks. And here is where moe elements come into play -- it could be just the one trick to push the appeal above the line where one wants to own it. That said at the end the balance is still necessary - most people would not just want to buy a work that is just a parade of moe elements even though certain moe elements may be needed to be there to get people to the point of buying it. And so at the end story, directing, character designs, music etc all play some roles (which is something that "plot is king and everything else is trivial" thinking that is so commonly found among western fans fails to take into account) And this "balance" is what happening with Gargantia. For Majestic Prince, actually opinion about it has improved somewhat since ep.4-5 as fans start to adjust their expectation and see it as the one show that most properly shows robots in space combat. So it may just see its sales improve with time. hpulley said: This is not dubious at all, as jmal has testified himself. This reason is mentioned in forums often enough that I have to take it seriously. Fans buy the BD/DVD to hope for a 2nd season but whether it will get one of course depends on the publisher at the end. And for titles with poor sales that get a second season, I am sure this has to do with commercial calculation - if they deem there are gain to be had with a second season, like something new to push (like new volumes of the original material) for example, that justifies the cost of making the anime then the chances of the anime being made is higher. And how the BD/DVD sales perform for the first season is one factor for consideration.The support for a second season seems a bit dubious. We love to mention 'the line' but some very successful and popular shows like Durarara never got a season two and yet some other shows with very poor sales get a second season... so I would love to know the producer's reasoning too for why they prefer doing a second season over a first season of something new. But they may not give out that sort of information. |
symbvMay 8, 2013 12:14 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Sorry, 'dubious' was a poor word choice. I should have said high sales of discs alone do not necessarily guarantee a second season, nor do poor sales preclude one. I certainly don't mean to discourage anyone from supporting a show they like. I definitely encourage people to support their favorite shows. |
| Just to show how overwhelmingly positive fans in Japan think of Gargantia ep.5, here is the voting result after it was aired on Nico Nico Douga. Here 1 means LOVE IT (it is the opposite of the western way when a larger number means better) and we are seeing 94% voting "1". And the number of viewers were over 25,000 (you can see the number at the lower right corner), most of whom can be assumed to have voted (since it is so easy to vote). Granted Nico Douga viewers do not represent the whole fandom in Japan - in fact there is certain mutual antimony feeling between Nico Douga people and 2ch people, but it should provide some idea about the almost universal high opinion about this episode that I mentioned earlier.  |
symbvMay 8, 2013 1:18 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Predictable sales for Evangelion. Though I am not sure how can Girls and Panzer sell above 30k but Zetsuen no Tempest can't even break 10k. I did watch the first episode of Girls and Panzer but that was quite boring. |
symbv said: - forgot to record so need to buy to get the anime (law-abiding citizens in Japan are still more than one might expect) I've never really thought about this before, but are late-night anime available at video rental places? (Are there even still video rental places in Japan? They've all but died out at least in this area of the US, but I can imagine that video rental would still have somewhat of a market in Japan...) A lot of my fandoms are kids' anime like Pokemon and Ojamajo, so I've been familiar with the concept of rental DVD's/VHS's for those, but... |
symbv said: And even for casual fans who buy BD/DVD, they do not often find a lot of people to talk about it. From what I gather, social group almost never features in any discussion about buying or watching anime BD/DVD. So that is out. You might think so, but I've come off an episode that I've loved on more than one occasion onto the episode discussion threads to see it being torn to pieces... which has made me start thinking more critically about said episode and revising that "loved" down to merely "enjoyed". I'm sure there are plenty of other people who have the same thing on other forums, maybe without even realising it is happening. And then there's the factors of watching shows in the first place. There are many things that I simply wouldn't have watched had I not kept hearing good things about them from people whose opinions I respect. Love Live, for example. Granted, even were I someone who regularly imported from Japan I still wouldn't have bought it, but there will be plenty of people out there who try stuff they wouldn't have otherwise looked at, just because other people are saying good things about it, and then end up liking it. The impact of social factors may not be something that comes to mind when someone says why they buy a series that they've enjoyed enough to purchase, but it's probably by far the biggest factor. Indeed it could probably, single-handedly, make the difference between, say, something that sells 5k and something that sells 50k. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| By coincidence, Crunchyroll just interviewed Bones' Toshihiro Kawamoto: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-802661/sakura-con-interviews-toshihiro-kawamoto-reki-kawahara-eir-aoi-luna-haruna Two questions ended up answering my question about sequels and cours: Q Given that you've worked with some prolific series like Gundam, City Hunter, and then Venus Wars was your project. Were there any fears or worries you had about working with established series? A No particular concerns; but there is a strong way of thought in the industry in terms of a business standpoint. It's easier to be successful with known properties, so there is sort of a tendency to prefer sequels over original works, if they're already known. Q Given that, are there any series you haven't worked with yet that you want to? A Sequels, hmm, that's a really difficult question. I think from a sales or a business success standpoint, it would really make sense to do a sequel to Cowboy Bebop. But that would violate the director's policy to create that, so that's a bit difficult. Instead of existing works, creating some kind of new or original work that had some sort of long-term popularity and long-term series, of course that would be great for our company to have some kind of new, original popularity with long-term popularity. There was a tendency in the past to create a series in episodes of 26 episodes, they would call "two-packs". The tendency now is more towards 13-episodes, or "one-pack" series. So there's kind of a difficult situation continuing in which we will create 13 episodes of a series and then make the decision of whether to create an additional 13 episodes. So it's getting a bit more difficult. |
kuuderes_shadow said: I am sure that social factors played a part. My original statement is more directed towards a narrower situation of social factors, namely peer group pressures about buying a title or not buying because it is cool or uncool to do so. The thing is outside of the Sales Thread in 2ch, the subject of buying anime BD/DVD is seldom raised, much less discussed. So there is really no such social pressure about any PURCHASE decision. And another point I meant to state is that fans do not really talk much about what discs they own. So in terms of buying and owning, I do not really see too much of social peer group pressure at work. Of course as you said, people may have their opinion influenced by the general reception from other fans and people may take up a show just because it got so popular (good example would be GirlPan). All these happen before a fan reaches the point of deciding whether to buy the discs of a show. And I would not really agree that this social factor is "the biggest factor" of purchase decision unless you define that "social factor" as anything that affects personal preference and awareness that comes from the popularity of the work among other people, and even that I would still say that because at the end a person decides if he likes a work mostly by him watching the work himself and reacting to it in love/dislike feeling, personal factor should still be a much more important factor for someone's purchase decision.The impact of social factors may not be something that comes to mind when someone says why they buy a series that they've enjoyed enough to purchase, but it's probably by far the biggest factor. Indeed it could probably, single-handedly, make the difference between, say, something that sells 5k and something that sells 50k. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: The thing is, outside of the Sales thread in 2ch, you do not see that much of frequent talks about buying and owning BD/DVD. There may be occasional mentions in blogs of BD/DVD the blog writer buy and sometimes we see some posts about some amazing collection some people have but that's about it. Even in the sales thread there is not really "talks" per se - more like people posting the BDs they bought and others react by posting some short greetings like "Panzer Vor!" for GirlPan disc bought. Of course if it is some private talks between fans that are made outside of public space then it's something else.And the talk about buying blurays/dvds and owning them are absolutely not limited to one thread in 2ch at all. The anime thread in 2ch poverty is just the tip of the iceberg. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 8. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **2 **6 **2 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **5 *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *27 *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** **3 **5 *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| ^ So 3 weeks at top of BD sales ranking for Evangelion. I wonder if this also happened for 1.11 and 2.22... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| As a slight reversion of topic, if there are people who buy things because they want to see a sequel, would that mean that something that is known to have zero chance at getting said sequel would inherently sell less than the same thing would have sold were a sequel a real possibility? |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
jmal said: symbv said: Thank you very much, jmal, symbv. They are even more detailed than what I'm looking for. While I know that they are still going to change a lot, at least I know that at least they could be a quite representative data for sales expectation :) Some short comments from me : 1. 20-45k for Kyoujin is a good thing! I'm glad that good anime are selling like hotcakes. 2. Aside from Kyoujin, my (and many other) most favorite would be Gargantia. I'm actually quite uncertain if it could has a good sales performance, but it seems that it will get what it deserves. 10k is not spectacular, but still good :) 3. My other favorites such as Railgun and Hataraku are also performing well :D 4. Oregairu is my sleeper hit of the season and I think I should be happy that it at least reach the manabi line, I was afraid that it will only perform as "air anime". Kinda curious about it's performance after the drama start to hit, though (Well, in the end the LN has a boost so I think it should be a moderate success. 5. LOL aku no hana. |
| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 9. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 *** *** *** **1 *** *** *** | -- | Initial D Fifth Stage 5 **2 **6 **2 **5 *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **5 *18 *27 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *27 *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 **3 *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 **9 *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** **3 **5 *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| Just 2 anime on the top 20 blu-rays for yesterday? That's unusual. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Just 2 anime on the top 20 blu-rays for yesterday? That's unusual. That's what I thought when I posted yesterday's ranks earlier lol. Looking at the Top 10 BDs on the Oricon website... I see 7 non-anime releases with a release date of 2013-05-10. Perhaps there are more of those in the 11~20 ranks, which pushed the majority of anime outside the Top 20, or anime just happened to be weaker yesterday. |
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| Still amazed by Girls und Panzer. |
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| Was about to sleep, but then I saw that the Top 100 BD list has been posted up. Source: http://www3.atchs.jp/test/read.cgi/urisure/1358138075/40 2013/05/13付 BDTOP100 (集計期間：04/29～05/05) **1 **1 34,207 347,049 **2 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:Q EVANGELION:3.33 YOU CAN (NOT) REDO. **8 **2 *3,661 *32,071 **2 ガールズ＆パンツァー 4 *10 **3 *2,866 *24,715 **2 ソードアート・オンライン 7 (完全生産限定版) *12 --- *2,659 **2,659 **1 GJ部 Vol.3 *15 **5 *1,929 *15,386 **2 ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 Vol.4 Blu-ray <初回生産限定版> *16 **4 *1,883 *17,132 **2 ラブライブ！2【初回限定版】 *18 *49 *1,734 *33,030 **7 ガールズ＆パンツァー 3 *23 *11 *1,378 **8,831 **2 ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- (完全生産限定版) *28 **6 *1,222 *14,638 **2 マクロスFB7 オレノウタヲキケ！ 初回限定版 *29 --- *1,153 **1,153 **1 TVアニメーション「琴浦さん」その2【Blu-ray特装版】 *30 *47 *1,101 **8,111 **3 フランケンウィニー DVD+ブルーレイセット *32 *13 *1,025 **8,314 **2 リトルバスターズ！ 5 【初回生産限定版】 *33 *51 *1,003 180,313 110 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:序 (EVANGELION:1.11) *35 *12 **,883 **8,192 **2 氷菓 Blu-ray限定版 第11巻 *38 --- **,825 ***,825 **1 イクシオン・サーガDT 6 *39 *63 **,812 463,727 *63 ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版：破 EVANGELION:2.22 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE. *40 *14 **,804 **7,785 **2 To LOVEる -とらぶる-ダークネス 第5巻【初回生産限定版】 *44 *86 **,674 *94,938 **7 機動戦士ガンダムUC 6 初回限定版 *45 *16 **,630 **5,654 **2 ひだまりスケッチ×ハニカム 5 (完全生産限定版) *45 *15 **,580 **6,095 **2 ビビッドレッド・オペレーション 2 (完全生産限定版) *53 100 **,500 *29,714 **7 機動戦士ガンダムUC 6 *59 *22 **,467 **3,962 **2 トータル・イクリプス 第8巻 初回限定盤 *60 *90 **,464 *48,159 **5 猫物語(黒) 第二巻／つばさファミリー(下) (完全生産限定版) *62 --- **,448 **1,374 **3 図書館戦争 Blu-ray BOX (劇場版映画公開記念パッケージ) *64 *30 **,439 **2,585 **2 さらば宇宙戦艦ヤマト 愛の戦士たち *66 *95 **,435 *26,861 **7 ラブライブ！ 1 【初回限定版】 *70 *44 **,413 **2,183 **2 マギ 5 (完全生産限定版) *72 *46 **,401 **2,116 **2 D.C.Ⅲ～ダ・カーポⅢ～ [ブルーレイ初回限定特別版] 【2】 *74 *52 **,397 *12,415 **3 中二病でも恋がしたい！ 5 【Blu-ray】 *76 133 **,380 *25,948 *11 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 4 *77 124 **,370 *64,506 **7 『魔法少女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 2nd A's』超特装版【完全受注生産】BD *78 *94 **,368 **2,961 **3 フランケンウィニー ブルーレイ(2枚組/デジタルコピー付き) *80 *32 **,362 **2,439 **2 俺の彼女と幼馴染が修羅場すぎる 3 (完全生産限定版) *81 *24 **,350 **3,473 **2 ぷちます! -プチ・アイドルマスター- コレクターズエディションVol.2 【Blu-ray】 *84 --- **,346 **3,812 **3 モノノ怪+怪～ayakashi～化猫 Blu-ray BOX *87 *23 **,339 **3,612 **2 みなみけ ただいま2 *94 *34 **,312 **2,344 **2 ぷちます！ -プチ・アイドルマスター- リミテッドエディションVol.2 【Blu-ray】 *95 160 **,306 *26,112 *17 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 3 *99 *60 **,298 **6,662 **3 PSYCHO-PASS サイコパスVOL.5 Blu-ray 100 151 **,297 *27,786 *23 宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 1 |
EjcMay 10, 2013 9:40 AM
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| ^ It came quite late this week,don't you think? Funny to see so many Yamato 2199... And Love Live v1 is in the list again... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| don't have time to translate right now but Frankenweenie should be skipped LOL |
symbv said: ^ It came quite late this week,don't you think? Funny to see so many Yamato 2199... And Love Live v1 is in the list again... Yeah, it is usually posted around midnight Friday, but last week it was up at midday Thursday. Other weeks it was up even later haha. Still charting for Yamato I see yeah. Love Live! may continue on charting as it seems to keep finding its way back into the Top 100 on Amazon and this week and next week are dead weeks too. |
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| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 10. GaruPan v3 is out of stock on Amazon by the way. Only stock left over is from resellers. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 *** *** *** **1 **2 *** *** | -- | Initial D Fifth Stage 5 **2 **6 **2 **5 **3 *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *27 *28 *** *** *22 *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- *** **5 *18 *27 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 **3 **1 *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 **9 **5 *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *** *** *** **7 *** *** | -- | Toshokan Sensou BOX *** **3 **5 *** *12 *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *15 *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 **7 *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| ^ After the rush of non-anime titles yesterday that drowned out the anime titles, finally the more robust anime titles came back to life LOL |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Raigrex said: I'm new to these BD/DVD release so how long does it usually take for them to release each volume of anime? Each volume is usually released on a monthly basis, unless they are delayed for whatever reason (such as GaruPan as a recent example) or they are intentionally released in a weird way (Magi v2 was released 1 week after v1 for example, before it went back to the regular 1/month thing). OVAs, movies, basically anything not a normal TV anime... have different release time periods. symbv said: ^ After the rush of non-anime titles yesterday that drowned out the anime titles, finally the more robust anime titles came back to life LOL That sure looks like it. I guess some of those non-anime titles may have not been that strong at all... since they didn't do entirely well on their actual release days. Imagine if no anime charted on one day, lol. I wonder if that has ever happened before? |
EjcMay 11, 2013 5:51 AM
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Raigrex said: some of these inconsistent release made me confused haha, thx for clearing it up! Haha, I imagine they would xD Just incase you haven't heard of Amazon Stalker, there's this nice list of new anime BD/DVD releases and other information such as daily Top sellers for other retailers. They're all in Japanese though... It's something nice to check out if you're really interested in BD/DVD sales. http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index2.cgi (new anime BD/DVD releases) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index_news.cgi (Amazon Top 100 and volume 1 ranks sorted by season) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank.cgi?mode=rakuten (Rakuten Top 300) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank.cgi?mode=hmv (HMV Top 100) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank.cgi?mode=animate (Animate Top 10) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank.cgi?mode=gamers (Gamers Top 10) http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank.cgi?mode=softmap (softmap Top 10) |
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Ejc said: Perhaps in the early days of BD? But that may not even be the case because we all know otaku are among the most early adopters of BD technology....Imagine if no anime charted on one day, lol. I wonder if that has ever happened before? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Does anyone know what the 紙兎ãƒãƒšç‘ã†æœã«ã¯ç¦æ\ã‚‹ãã¦ãƒžã‚¸ãã™ã‹!?1[ウãƒãƒ¤ãƒžãƒ¦ã‚¦ã‚¸] is on the rakuten list? |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| ^ It all became mumble-jumble on my PC though. Do you have a link of the page instead? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| That's why I was asking - it's just a load of random symbols so it caught my attention and got me wondering what it actually is. http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank_show.cgi?c=book:16406111&m=rakuten&ym=20130511 |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: That's why I was asking - it's just a load of random symbols so it caught my attention and got me wondering what it actually is. http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/otherdailyrank_show.cgi?c=book:16406111&m=rakuten&ym=20130511 I think the link is this @ http://ranking.rakuten.co.jp/daily/101374/ So #4 is 紙兎ロペ 笑う朝には福来たるってマジっすか!? 1 [ ウチヤマユウジ ], which ends up as that gibberish stuff. Why does it do that though lol? EDIT: The movie of Kami Usagi Rope (#19) came out all fine... so strange. |
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| Almost one week has passed since I posted my analysis of the sales forecast of this season's anime made by Amazon Stalker. A revisit shows some drastic changes for some titles, and some of those are continuing reverberation of certain major impact episodes in the series. Sales forecast of volume 1 according to Amazon Stalker Key: May06 forecast -> May12 forecast 46.0k -> 76.1k SnK (Shingeki no Kyojin) 27.7k -> 27.7k UtaPrince2 12.2k -> 14.4k Gargantia 12.2k -> 12.6k Railgun2 8.2k -> 9.2k HaMaou (hataraku maou-sama) 5.0k -> 9.2k Valvrave 8.7k -> 9.1k OreImo2 5.4k -> 5.7k HenNeko 5.0k -> 5.0k Karneval 5.0k -> 4.9k Date A Live 3.6k -> 4.5k OreGairu 3.8k -> 3.9k Azazel-san2 3.4k -> 3.9k Crime Edge 3.3k -> 3.4k Nyaruko2 3.0k -> 3.0k Devil Survivor2 2.7k -> 2.7k RDG (red data girl) 2.0k -> 2.5k MJP (majestic prince) 2.2k -> 2.4k Muromi-san 2.0k -> 2.0k Samurai Bride 2.2k -> 2.1k Aiura 2.1k -> 1.9k PhotoKano 1.3k -> 1.4k Yuyushiki 2.1k -> 1.0k ZBL (zettai bouei leviathan) 1.0k -> 1.0k Hayate5 0.7k -> 0.8k Aku no Hana 0.4k -> 0.5k Arata Kangatari Observations: 1. Reaction from the drastic ending of ep.5 in SnK continues to generate impact, which is also helped by a couple of TV programs focusing on the manga and the anime (the author's interview in particular drew a lot of attention). It has not dropped below #3 in Amazon BD sales ranking since several days ago and its BD sales forecast has more than doubled since last week. The BD/DVD combined sales forecast has now entered Madoka territory, which could mean that the number is no longer a useful guide to the actual sales, simply because the sales points awarded for titles at the topmost rank are much more likely to be off to a large extent. It would be very interesting to see how the sales ranking and forecast goes as the series progress with its plot twist. 2. Gargantia continues to benefit from the universally acclaimed ep.5 and since last week has added another 2.2k in its sales forecast. It has now overtaken Railgun2 to become the third bestselling title for this season according to Stalker. 3. Neither UtaPrince2 nor Railgun2 have changed much over the past week. The stunning start of the Sisters Arc was only broadcast yesterday so we might still see shift in its ranking and sales forecast over the next few days. 4. HaMaou continues to benefit from the grand battle with Lucifer and Orba. The latest episode is a filler (mostly anime original) but still got generally positive feedback. The sales forecast continues to climb and has added another 1k over the past week. It has now overtaken OreImo2 in its sales forecast even though OreImo2 has added 0.4k over the last week (that said, it is more likely that OreImo2 has its sales forecast underestimated by Stalker so the end result may still be OreImo2 having better sales). 5. On the other hand, Valvrave clearly got progressively worse feedback from ep.3 to ep.4 and then to ep.5 - the story, the choice of what details to highlight, the character depiction, even music all got quite a bit of criticisms. HOWEVER, the introduction of event ticket has HELPED A LOT. The prospect of having big names like Mizuki Nana joining the event clearly boosted consumer's appetite. And just look at the sales forecast, it added 4.2k since the event ticket announcement, almost doubling its initial forecast. THIS IS THE POWER OF EVENT TICKET !! 6. While HenNeko keeps on accumulating sales by consistently high level of appealing and cute scenes one episode after another, it is again the robustness of Crime Edge that catches the eyes. The last episode of the student camp arc is still having its impact - the appeal of Iwai-chan is really stronger than many expected, and it added 0.5k (or almost 15%) to its sales forecast. 7. MJP is another title that is worth taking note. As I said last week, opinions of the show have been on the uptick over ep.4-5 as the show gathered a reputation of being the one show in this season that looks closest to a traditional giant mecha show (particularly in the fighting scenes). Fans also warmed to the ep.6 which concludes the military school arc. Its sales forecast is still in the low tier but it has added 0.5k which is 25% of last week's forecast, and that is quite impressive. 8. ZBL has seen its sales forecast dropped significantly from 2.1k to 1.0k, but as I said last week the 2.1k forecast was higher than most expected. Apparently the sales forecast just took time to settle down (as it was solicited in Amazon really late) and the current prediction of 1.0k is much closer to what many expected it to sell. 9. And all the other titles are quite stable as they all stay within +/- 0.2k of its last week's forecast. |
symbvMay 11, 2013 10:16 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: Do you remember when the 250pg short story extra was announced? I can see the combination of both making a substantial impact since the show has kept improving its forecast performance even before the announcement of the extra. It rose when the 250pg short story was announced as an extra, not just the airing of episode five. Combination of the two has been strong. jmal said: Do you also recall when the event ticket was announced? If the event ticket was announced from the very beginning it would not explain the much better performance of Crime Edge compared to other titles over the past week.This on the other hand is purely event ticket, almost surely not reaction to the episodes. Just look at the rankings for vol2 onward. It's going to drop like craaaaaaaazy after 1. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: I understand, but I want to see how "neatly" the boost corresponds to the announcement. If the boost happens earlier than the announcement, even 1 day before, but after the airing of an episode, then the boost should be credited to the episode instead. And we have seen sales ranking boost that come only a few days after the airing of an episode, presumably because people only check the show they recorded earlier when they have time, like during the weekend.Pretty sure both were recent, and corresponded neatly with the boosts. Wouldn't bring them up otherwise. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I am particularly interested in the case of Crime Edge, because it had been creeping up in sales forecast even before the last week (at least for the case of vol.1), so I am intrigued by how much boost it actually got by the event ticket announcement. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oricon Daily Top 20 BD/Top 30 DVD Rankings for Apr 11. GaruPan v4 is now back in stock on Amazon. v3 minimum price has risen to ￥7,269. DVD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **2 **6 **2 **5 **3 **2 *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** *** *** **1 **2 **3 *** | -- | Initial D Fifth Stage 5 *27 *28 *** *** *22 *** *** | -- | ROAD TO NINJA -NARUTO THE MOVIE- *** **5 *18 *27 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 6 *** **7 *23 *** *** *** *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *17 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 BD Daily **6 **7 **8 **9 *10 *11 *12 週 **1 **2 **1 **3 **1 **1 *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *** **1 **3 **9 **5 **8 *** | -- | Seitokai Yakuindomo OVA *** *** *** *** **7 *19 *** | -- | Toshokan Sensou BOX **7 *12 *17 *** *** *20 *** | -- | GaruPan 4 *** **3 **5 *** *12 *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 2 *18 *20 *14 *** *15 *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 *17 *** *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 4 *** *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 7 *** *16 *20 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 3 *** **5 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke ~Okawari~ BOX |
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| For me, the latest episode of Crime Edge has me considering importing it. I was enjoying it before but episode 6 was simply wonderful, especially the end with the return to the original ED Glass no Mikazuki (sung by the seiyuu in character as Iwai) in a full length version. I am not sure that track is available on CD, perhaps it will be on an included CD with the anime? It isn't on the ED CD that is available. But that episode will be on disc #3 which is still ranked in the thousands on amazon.co.jp while as jmal points out, disc 1 with the event ticket is ranked in the top 100. Perhaps episode 6 with the full length version of her song helped with the popularity of Koiwai Kotori, Iwai's seiyuu, which could help to boost the popularity of the event ticket. But she is not well known up to this point, this being only her 4th seiyuu job overall, 2nd as main. Nor is the other main well known though his performance in Tari Tari is something I took note of, he has a similarly short list of roles up to this point, Natsuki Hanae. So who am I missing? Who makes the Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge event ticket a hot item? Yuri*Kari I assume. Cheaper than a usual Yuri*Kari concert? But I'm still confused if this is true as their ED CD single for Crime Edge is not ranked that well on amazon at nearly 1000, don't think it sold well... it came out April 17th and unless I'm mistaken it didn't rank at all. |
hpulleyMay 12, 2013 3:28 AM
| ^ This is one reason why I would like to see when the event ticket was announced. The event ticket may be able to explain the high position of vol.1 compared to other volumes, but depending on the announcement date it may not be able to explain all the upward movement of vol.1 over the past few weeks. And as you said, unlike the big names in the Valvrave event we don't even know who will be in the event, and we know that event does not always boost sales (just look no further than Devil Survivor 2). This is why I am a bit unsure about the view that its performance has everything to do with the event ticket and nothing to do with the episodes. Also, Vol.1 always has CD in the package, but again we don't yet know what will be in the CD. Also, people who love the show because of ep.6 would most likely start from buying vol.1 first and from history we know sales ranking (as well as sales forecast) for later volumes would usually rise after the initial volumes go on sale. So the current low position is not likely to be the full story, even though I would say the gap between vol.1 and vol.2 sales forecast indeed foretells a substantial drop in vol.2 sales. |
symbvMay 12, 2013 6:35 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I honestly never would have predicted Attack on Titan to sell so well. I was thinking like 5k tops before this season... it really doesn't seem like the kinda show otaku would rally around. I was wrong though... |
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RyanSaotome said: And don't forget a sales that goes beyond 20k would very likely involve not only the anime otaku but other more casual anime fans. This is the case for Madoka, Bake and K-On, and GirlPan involves a lot of casual anime fans as well as military otaku among the buyer of the BD/DVD, while SAO has strong support from fans of the original LN. Shingeki no Kyojin is riding on a big wave of mainstream awareness. Just look at all these twitters with people having fun playing the Titan game. Do these people look like otaku?? http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-16183.htmlI honestly never would have predicted Attack on Titan to sell so well. I was thinking like 5k tops before this season... it really doesn't seem like the kinda show otaku would rally around. I was wrong though... There are two things to note about the Amazon stalker sales prediction for SnK vol.1 though: 1. With the ranking of SnK v1 being so high (always around top three) the forecast is likely to become less accurate. So the prediction can be a substantial overestimate (like Madoka) or underestimate (Evangelion, which is particularly glaring as it stays at #1 for so long). 2. There is a possibility of a substantial drop in sales for vol.2 onwards. Vol.1 has the attraction of having the manga volume zero included as an extra, so its sales could be boosted compared to other volumes. |
symbvMay 12, 2013 8:42 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Gogo GirlPan. It's so good to see it beat SAO, and by such a large margin too. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Symbv, how has the reception been for Gargantia Ep 6 in Japan? I'm seeing the same "Its terrible because its all fanservice, dropped" stuff that that I saw for Ep. 5 on MAL and other places, but I wonder if Japan also universally likes this one. |
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| To be honest with the reaction SnK getting in Japan I can easily see it doing well over 50k, the manga is also flying off the shelves with every volume selling 60-80k copies last week. |
RyanSaotome said: Oh, there are still people who hates fanservice but still has not dropped the show after ep.5? Symbv, how has the reception been for Gargantia Ep 6 in Japan? I'm seeing the same "Its terrible because its all fanservice, dropped" stuff that that I saw for Ep. 5 on MAL and other places, but I wonder if Japan also universally likes this one. Anyway, after checking over a dozen Japanese forum and blog sites, what I observed is: The reactions are still very positive, although not as lopsided as ep.5 and there is no much mention about how good the directing, pacing or character development is in this ep.6. There are more voices about concerns over the direction of the anime and whether it aims too much at fanservice or sex appeal this time. However, most people seem to be fine with two episodes with heavy SoL/fanservice elements in a row because they have adjusted their expectation by ep4-5 and, more importantly, the conclusion of ep.6 really signifies to viewers, even those who are not that impressed with the SoL/fanservice parade in this episode, that the series is again taking a change in direction to more serious area. A huge amount of attention and discussion is on that last part of the episode, and most people think it is a very good way to conclude this episode, again achieving a good "balance" between SoL, sex appeal, seriousness and story development. As for sakuga/animation, while many give high praises to the animation of the exotic dance scenes, there are also people who think that there are too many close-up cuts and quite a bit of scenes outside of the dance scenes seem to be inferior to the usual quality. They wonder whether the tweet by the director about insufficient sakuga quality before ep.5 was aired in fact means ep.6 instead of ep.5. In terms of Amazon ranking, Gargantia v1 jumped from #33 to #11 within the few hours after the episode 6 was aired (it is at #14 now), not as big as the jump in ep.5 but still very impressive. |
symbvMay 12, 2013 10:42 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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