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| I do not dislike Toki but she gets too much screen time IMO. I hope Kuro will learn the trick to beat, hum no... no way, to stop or slow down Teru next time she will fight her, probably during the final, if Achiga is in of course. But with so much screen time for Senriyama we can expect they will go to the Final with Shiraitodai... Wake up Kuro! Anyway good episode, and I'm very glad there will be 15 episodes and not only 12! |
Maddo_scientisto said: kuuderes_shadow said: Maddo_scientisto said: Let's even strech it a lot, if Kuro do manage a Yakuman it's possible to make multiple Yakuman (Tsuuisou Daisangen) which would be able to take one of the two remaining player. No double yakumans No double yakuman but you can do multiple yakuman. By double yakuman they refer to one single yakuman being worth 2x limit such as a Kokushi 13 way wait or a Suu ankou pair wait. Still a tsuuisou daisangen would be rewarded all it's point since no of these yakuman are worth a double yakuman. A suu ankou pair wait would be rewarded only one yakuman because of the rule. I think Kuuderes is right, Maddo. When they said no Double Yakuman, I think they meant no score more than a Yakuman (32000/48000). |
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Marina2 said: Maddo_scientisto said: No double yakuman but you can do multiple yakuman. By double yakuman they refer to one single yakuman being worth 2x limit such as a Kokushi 13 way wait or a Suu ankou pair wait. Still a tsuuisou daisangen would be rewarded all it's point since no of these yakuman are worth a double yakuman. A suu ankou pair wait would be rewarded only one yakuman because of the rule. I don't think you should use the word play here. When they said no double Yakuman It means no other than single Yakuman allowed included multiple. Really, what is the point to ban Double Yakuman but allow triple or more. Double yakuman are often relative to regions while multiple yakuman are not. I'll say it again: a two different yakuman in a multiple yakuman hand is NOT a double yakuman, these are two totally different things. A double yakuman is when one single yakuman is awarded two time the limit of point while a two hand yakuman is when you have two yakuman being awarded one time the limit of point each. Kokushi musou in a 13 way wait is a double yakuman while if it's in a one way wait it is a normal yakuman. Suu ankou on a pair wait is counted as a double yakuman while if it's waiting on a tile to complete a pon it is considered a normal yakuman. Daisangen Suu ankou could be counted as 3 yakuman (3x limit) if the double yakuman rule is enabled but since it isn't it's counted as a two yakuman hand (2x limit). This isn't a guess, I'm 100% sure of what i'm saying and I hope that the people that actually try to contradict me at least are casual mahjong player themselve. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Marina2 said: Maddo_scientisto said: No double yakuman but you can do multiple yakuman. By double yakuman they refer to one single yakuman being worth 2x limit such as a Kokushi 13 way wait or a Suu ankou pair wait. Still a tsuuisou daisangen would be rewarded all it's point since no of these yakuman are worth a double yakuman. A suu ankou pair wait would be rewarded only one yakuman because of the rule. I don't think you should use the word play here. When they said no double Yakuman It means no other than single Yakuman allowed included multiple. Really, what is the point to ban Double Yakuman but allow triple or more. Double yakuman are often relative to regions while multiple yakuman are not. I'll say it again: a two different yakuman in a multiple yakuman hand is NOT a double yakuman, these are two totally different things. A double yakuman is when one single yakuman is awarded two time the limit of point while a two hand yakuman is when you have two yakuman being awarded one time the limit of point each. Kokushi musou in a 13 way wait is a double yakuman while if it's in a one way wait it is a normal yakuman. Suu ankou on a pair wait is counted as a double yakuman while if it's waiting on a tile to complete a pon it is considered a normal yakuman. Daisangen Suu ankou could be counted as 3 yakuman (3x limit) if the double yakuman rule is enabled but since it isn't it's counted as a two yakuman hand (2x limit). This isn't a guess, I'm 100% sure of what i'm saying and I hope that the people that actually try to contradict me at least are casual mahjong player themselve. They don't allow multiple yakumans either. Take a look at chapter 43 when Yuuki suggests that Saki could just get a double yakuman tsumo to overcome the issue of Kazekoshi being on zero. Hisa would not have said what she did if multiple yakuman were allowed. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: Maddo_scientisto said: Marina2 said: Maddo_scientisto said: No double yakuman but you can do multiple yakuman. By double yakuman they refer to one single yakuman being worth 2x limit such as a Kokushi 13 way wait or a Suu ankou pair wait. Still a tsuuisou daisangen would be rewarded all it's point since no of these yakuman are worth a double yakuman. A suu ankou pair wait would be rewarded only one yakuman because of the rule. I don't think you should use the word play here. When they said no double Yakuman It means no other than single Yakuman allowed included multiple. Really, what is the point to ban Double Yakuman but allow triple or more. Double yakuman are often relative to regions while multiple yakuman are not. I'll say it again: a two different yakuman in a multiple yakuman hand is NOT a double yakuman, these are two totally different things. A double yakuman is when one single yakuman is awarded two time the limit of point while a two hand yakuman is when you have two yakuman being awarded one time the limit of point each. Kokushi musou in a 13 way wait is a double yakuman while if it's in a one way wait it is a normal yakuman. Suu ankou on a pair wait is counted as a double yakuman while if it's waiting on a tile to complete a pon it is considered a normal yakuman. Daisangen Suu ankou could be counted as 3 yakuman (3x limit) if the double yakuman rule is enabled but since it isn't it's counted as a two yakuman hand (2x limit). This isn't a guess, I'm 100% sure of what i'm saying and I hope that the people that actually try to contradict me at least are casual mahjong player themselve. They don't allow multiple yakumans either. Take a look at chapter 43 when Yuuki suggests that Saki could just get a double yakuman tsumo to overcome the issue of Kazekoshi being on zero. Hisa would not have said what she did if multiple yakuman were allowed. Well there was actually nothing said about multiple yakuman but there's seriously no point on removing them imo while there's some reason why double yakuman would be removed. Saki's style is not suited for yakuman (except suu kantsu) and suu ankou. The way I took it is that from Saki's starting hand, there was no multiple yakuman hand she would be in position to do. She could still aim for a suu ankou because of her ability but that suu ankou wouldn't have been able to win the game since double yakuman do not count. It's more like a multiple yakuman hand was out of Saki's reach, hence why Hisa didn't mention it. I guess it's each their pick until there's a real confirmation of multiple yakuman being allowed or not. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Marina2 said: Maddo_scientisto said: No double yakuman but you can do multiple yakuman. By double yakuman they refer to one single yakuman being worth 2x limit such as a Kokushi 13 way wait or a Suu ankou pair wait. Still a tsuuisou daisangen would be rewarded all it's point since no of these yakuman are worth a double yakuman. A suu ankou pair wait would be rewarded only one yakuman because of the rule. I don't think you should use the word play here. When they said no double Yakuman It means no other than single Yakuman allowed included multiple. Really, what is the point to ban Double Yakuman but allow triple or more. Double yakuman are often relative to regions while multiple yakuman are not. I'll say it again: a two different yakuman in a multiple yakuman hand is NOT a double yakuman, these are two totally different things. A double yakuman is when one single yakuman is awarded two time the limit of point while a two hand yakuman is when you have two yakuman being awarded one time the limit of point each. Kokushi musou in a 13 way wait is a double yakuman while if it's in a one way wait it is a normal yakuman. Suu ankou on a pair wait is counted as a double yakuman while if it's waiting on a tile to complete a pon it is considered a normal yakuman. Daisangen Suu ankou could be counted as 3 yakuman (3x limit) if the double yakuman rule is enabled but since it isn't it's counted as a two yakuman hand (2x limit). This isn't a guess, I'm 100% sure of what i'm saying and I hope that the people that actually try to contradict me at least are casual mahjong player themselve. This is not about how each term are different! What Ritz trying to tell us is just that in Saki, the max point you can do is 32000/48000 no higher than that! No matter what hand you make. |
Marina2 said: Maddo_scientisto said: ... This is not about how each term are different! What Ritz trying to tell us is just that in Saki, the max point you can do is 32000/48000 no higher than that! No matter what hand you make. But that was never told, that's the point I try to make so stop acting like it was. To do a streched comparaison, if you make a rule saying "You can't Chi an opponent's tile" then what you are saying is similar to someone that would say "You can't pon or ron either since Chi is a call and you can't use Chi so you can't use call". You are making assumption, I'm not saying that it can't be right but please don't act like it was more than an assumption and as long as it isn't proven, mine is still as valid as yours. Double yakuman are not related to multiple yakuman hands, they are two very distinct thing. It's impossible to affirm that if you can't do one then you can't do both and there was not a single thing said about having multiple yakuman in one hand. |
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Marina2 said: What Ritz trying to tell us is just that in Saki, the max point you can do is 32000/48000 no higher than that! No matter what hand you make. .... The renchan. You didn't count the renchan~ Okay, screw that. Take a look at tenhou's double yakuman - or multiple single yakuman rules (they use them, which in Saki they didn't... did they?) Tenhou allows what is weirdly described as “multiple single yakuman”. You have to score two distinct yakuman to score double yakuman. 4-ankou tanki, 4 big winds, tsu-ii-sou is 3Y on Tenhou, but most live games would effectively count 5Y. (2+2+1) And problem is, I don't see Kuro scoring other yakuman than Kazoe with tons of dora. >.> Bringing other subject, if multiple Yakuman is allowed~ |
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| it kinda felt like kiritsugu's tripple accel there, cant help to think it god, teru is.. the english language can't descibe it ok, so saki can practicaly rape the files, as shown in the match vs koromo, but teru!, she rapes the files, the oponents, their minds, and even if it should be over, shi stills keeps raping them, a true demon worthy of praise icant help but to think that saki wants to defy that...thing, i respect her for that |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Well there was actually nothing said about multiple yakuman Yes there is. The fact that multiple yakuman are never specifically mentioned is irrelevant. |
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| Oh no, Toki wtf are you thinking?! :S |
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| COME ON KURO D:< Anyways I really love this Toki x Ryuuka pairing. It's so cute. I was so happy to see some Saki in this episode! I miss the original cast already.... I fangirl'd a little bit when I saw Hise and Mihoko together. They were my favorite in the other season. I can't wait for this match to end lol. |
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MyOtakuLife said: I kind of want to see Toki gain full control of her power and stop Teru's Winning Streak, with the help of the others. I want to see more toki now XD |
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Oohoshi_Awai said: Unfortunately Saki didn't like Mahjong back then. She got into mahjong in high school so the mahjong team wouldn't really have any connections to her.Yfw plot twist: Ryuuka and Toki went to The Nationals to play against their middle high kouhai, Saki. :D Please make it happens, Ritz. ;_; Oh and BlackBird: Not happening. It's not like Senriyama doesn't have any reverse team. |
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Neogen said: Oohoshi_Awai said: Unfortunately Saki didn't like Mahjong back then. She got into mahjong in high school so the mahjong team wouldn't really have any connections to her.Yfw plot twist: Ryuuka and Toki went to The Nationals to play against their middle high kouhai, Saki. :D Please make it happens, Ritz. ;_; Oh and BlackBird: Not happening. It's not like Senriyama doesn't have any reverse team. Saki doesn't have to be in the mahjong club to know someone from it, might has been classmate or a friend. Seriously I never noticed it but I don't think that it has been made this way without a purpose. I don't expect a big backstory out of it but maybe when Ryuuka and/or Toki will watch the final they'll go "Wait... wasn't that girl in our class before highschool? Why did she never joined the mahjong club if she was that strong?" |
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| That, or maybe Ritz is just lazy with the uniform... remember Bansei's uniform? But that would be awesome if it's really did... Oh and lol @ previous Saki radio they call it Senriyama-hen... and Aoi Yuuki wants to hug Toki... not Kuro. :P |
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Oohoshi_Awai said: That, or maybe Ritz is just lazy with the uniform... remember Bansei's uniform? But that would be awesome if it's really did... Oh and lol @ previous Saki radio they call it Senriyama-hen... and Aoi Yuuki wants to hug Toki... not Kuro. :P Don't worry I think most people would agree that they'll like Senriyama at the final instead of Achiga. Sadly I can't see that happen, they are the real main character afterall. Can't wait for next episode since it'll mostly be new material but still can't get over why they didn't animated these last few pages in ep 11, would have left a better cliffhanger imo. |
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Oohoshi_Awai said: Yfw plot twist: Ryuuka and Toki went to The Nationals to play against their middle high kouhai, Saki. :D I don't think that would be a very good one or plausible Toko and Ryuuka are 3rd years, Saki's a 1st year, and isn't the whole we will reunite with our friends Achiga's thing. Also tune in next when Kuro may actually DO something, other than sit there like this: *sigh* So much wasted potential with Kuro, she seemed to actually have lking for breasts but that went no where, has some yuri subtext with her sister but no where near enough to be incestuous. Also their doing to her what they did Yuuki the difference being of course Yuuki didn't completely lose her confidence and get destroyed when we see her playing again. Finally Yuuki learned how to work around the negatives of play-style/powers but Kuro clearly hasn't. I actually started to like Achiga in the manga round chapter 8 before well you know. I am now going to state the most interesting thing, what I think is the most interesting, Arata's crush on Akado. And Arata is poroabanly the least important team member story wise. Maybe if Achiga had more yuri subtext they'd be more interesting? Maybe have Ako have a crush on Shizo or smoething? All that being said I still hope they go to the finals, mainly because with Kuro there we won't see Yuuki get brutally curb-stomped again. |
Gamer40000 said: ... Am I the only one that doesn't care in the sligthest about the yuri stuff in the show? |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Am I the only one that doesn't care in the sligthest about the yuri stuff in the show? There is yuri stuff in this show? |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Gamer40000 said: ... Am I the only one that doesn't care in the sligthest about the yuri stuff in the show? Nope. The only yuri pairing I've cared about in Saki is Momo/Yumi and that's just because they're both such great characters, and their relationship in both cases contributes quite a lot to their personality (albeit rather more obviously in Momo's case) |
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| Eh, just an idea... since Senriyama gets a lot of screentime and Achiga are the main characters, why not imagine that Shiraitodai will in fact lose the 1/2 finale? (Don't kill me! It was a joke! ...or not? ^_^") About the yuri stuff in Saki, I like it a lot, but there are not enough in Achiga-hen anime for now IMO. Kuro X Yuu and Ako X Shizuno could be good but we don't see them enough because of Senriyama, but they are forgiven with Ryuuka X Toki who are adorable together. |
Zenithale said: Eh, just an idea... since Senriyama gets a lot of screentime and Achiga are the main characters, why not imagine that Shiraitodai will in fact lose the 1/2 finale? (Don't kill me! It was a joke! ...or not? ^_^") About the yuri stuff in Saki, I like it a lot, but there are not enough in Achiga-hen anime for now IMO. Kuro X Yuu and Ako X Shizuno could be good but we don't see them enough because of Senriyama, but they are forgiven with Ryuuka X Toki who are adorable together. Hardly possible, in the end of saki s1 we saw a preview of Teru vs Yuuki and since it was directed by Ritz it pretty much means that Shiraitodai will make it to final. There's also ton of other reasons as to why this wouldn't happen. Saki is not a yuri show no matter how you see it. Sure it's made to attract the male audience by throwing only female character but there hasn't been one time where anything went over friendship. Most of the yuri stuff come from fan pairing and their vivid imagination. Yuuki seem pretty fond of Koutarou and I'm not here shipping anything. Saki isn't a love story but a friendship one. |
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Gamer40000 said: Maddo_scientisto said: Gamer40000 said: ... Am I the only one that doesn't care in the sligthest about the yuri stuff in the show? I was merely stating ways Achiga could be more interesting, hence the question marks on ideas. Also my main point is that Kuro's development is pretty much just Yuuki's all over again, just without all the development that she got afterwards. Achiga is the most uninteresting group in the whole saki-verse (Except fodder in the first rounds of the tournaments) and amongts that group, Kuro probably take the flag for less interesting. I don't think anything can save them, really. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: I don't think anything can save them, really. Nothing can really save them. Me and friends are playing with how to improve Achiga's team (I think their problem is on the line up - we can blame Akado on that) My line up Senpou: Yuu Jibou: Arata Chuuken: Kuro Fukushou: Ako Taishou: Shizuno My friend's Senpou: Arata Jibou: Kuro Chuuken: Yuu Fukushou: Ako Taisho: Shizuno Sigh ... we can't really do much with Achiga's line up... They're not very strong to be honest... Point is that, while it's a good thing Kuro's hoarding all the doras, it's better to place her somewhere else, and switch it with someone who can... defend. I think they'll do well this way on quarter finals... On the semis, though, no matter what you do, Teru will dominate. Honestly though, if Senriyama's goal is to finish 2nd, Toki could always defend since she's rather immune to Teru's ron as long as her power's on... But then again, some might view it as dishonorable... >.> But winning is everything right? You can always ask Shindouji that put their senpou as sacrifice... 00_Raiser said: We will be doing a mission. Here is the plan. 1. Get the poeple or your friends help vote Toki. :) 2. wait till around 5.30pm (+8GMT) GOGOGOGO~! Another voting time/day. |
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Oohoshi_Awai said: Maddo_scientisto said: I don't think anything can save them, really. Nothing can really save them. Me and friends are playing with how to improve Achiga's team (I think their problem is on the line up - we can blame Akado on that) My line up Senpou: Yuu Jibou: Arata Chuuken: Kuro Fukushou: Ako Taishou: Shizuno My friend's Senpou: Arata Jibou: Kuro Chuuken: Yuu Fukushou: Ako Taisho: Shizuno Sigh ... we can't really do much with Achiga's line up... They're not very strong to be honest... Point is that, while it's a good thing Kuro's hoarding all the doras, it's better to place her somewhere else, and switch it with someone who can... defend. I think they'll do well this way on quarter finals... On the semis, though, no matter what you do, Teru will dominate. Honestly though, if Senriyama's goal is to finish 2nd, Toki could always defend since she's rather immune to Teru's ron as long as her power's on... But then again, some might view it as dishonorable... >.> But winning is everything right? You can always ask Shindouji that put their senpou as sacrifice... 00_Raiser said: We will be doing a mission. Here is the plan. 1. Get the poeple or your friends help vote Toki. :) 2. wait till around 5.30pm (+8GMT) GOGOGOGO~! Another voting time/day. well,honestly I do not object to their current position.. I actually agree with placing Kuro as their ace since most of the team placin the strongest person as their ace ( hisa mention this too) not only the strongest person, but there is one more point which is more important, that he must be a person who can pick up point at most. remember the fight again bansei? kuro manage to make 50.000 points differences.. and the first fight on the national turnament? her Ron/tsumo always score more than 8.000 points.. the only things that makes kuro look weak is because : this is an anime.. in real life, if i were to fight agains someone who always had 6 doras on her hands. i ll be very, very afraid.. ========================================================== well, but I also hope there is a change in achiga's line up. placin ako as vice captain (Fukushou). so we can enjoy ako vs Nodoka at final. lol |
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kururugikai said: well,honestly I do not object to their current position.. I actually agree with placing Kuro as their ace since most of the team placin the strongest person as their ace ( hisa mention this too) not only the strongest person, but there is one more point which is more important, that he must be a person who can pick up point at most. remember the fight again bansei? kuro manage to make 50.000 points differences.. and the first fight on the national turnament? her Ron/tsumo always score more than 8.000 points.. the only things that makes kuro look weak is because : this is an anime.. in real life, if i were to fight agains someone who always had 6 doras on her hands. i ll be very, very afraid.. ========================================================== well, but I also hope there is a change in achiga's line up. placin ako as vice captain (Fukushou). so we can enjoy ako vs Nodoka at final. lol Kuro is Achiga's ace. No wonder the future look so bleak. While it's good to have someone who can racked up points - so that other school's will get pressured on next round/player's matches, it's stupid if your senpou can't defend, and thus, Kuro is more assuring to be placed as Chuuken, who is traditionally the Ace position. Remember, Ace doesn't always mean Senpou Position. Well, I'm not really afraid, there's always honitsu I can depend on, and opening more kan doras so she'll do chombo - yes, I'm sadist. Yeah, Ako should totally be a fukushou because of that, and Arata could care less about Nodoka... I bet she doesn't know her, lol. XD Toki for the win~~~~!!! http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/userranking/chara/34693/ Oh and Kokaji Pro at 14th. :3 Ryuuka at 3rd. XD |
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