| Not sure why everyone seems to take Miyazaki's word as law. When will the dick riding cease? When? |
Swiggy said: ? wut Not sure why everyone seems to take Miyazaki's word as law. When will the dick riding cease? When? did this thread really give you that impression? |
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romagia said: Swiggy said: ? wut Not sure why everyone seems to take Miyazaki's word as law. When will the dick riding cease? When? did this thread really give you that impression? No-- goodness, no. Not this thread; in general. Sorry for any confusion. I guess "everyone" seems like it's referring to this thread, but that's not what I meant. Terrible wording on my part, sorry.;; |
hentai_proxy said: Feaor said:  ...and thus the emo-granddad meme was born.  |
| Ah, yes. Another thread about the guy who keeps on retiring because people don't make anime they way he wants, And you get some people who agree with and him and also start ranting despite getting everything for free. |
| Old news is old. Really dredging the bottom of the b8 bucket this time, aren't we? |
| Okay, I was going to try a constructive approach to the thread, but then, I read that Lucky Star is sexualized; while even its moe category is at doubt because it's a damn parody comedy. The problem is not within the industry. The problem is on the viewers and creators who can't stop navel-gazing while being unable to understand that in anime, just like any other medium, categories are only virtual classifications that can't possibly encompass the variety of viewpoints, objectives, themes and points of interest that can be found on each show. |
The importance of source: A study. Dear OP, after reading some of your comments and threads, I thought you were a nice, capable and intelligent guy. Don't make me regret that thought now... Do you have the sauce on that quote? Seems not. So, I'm forced to ask: Did you just assume Miyazaki was talking about "moe" by mistake or you used his misplaced quote to start the discussion you wanted about "moe"? Well, the fact is, Miyazaki wasn't addressing moe in that comment. It is an excerpt from an interview he gave about Nausicaa to a Japanese reporter back in 1996 and they're talking about the role a male/female protagonist plays in a story, their personality differences and character design. Ironically, "moe" as an industry trend didn't even exist back then. http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/heroines.html The quote on Wikipedia is a poorly-placed one. And we've already tried a dozen times to remove it, but somehow, some faggot keeps adding it again. It's also sad to see so many replies to this thread badmouthing Miyazaki. You may not like him -personally, I hate a fair amount of his works- but one must respect and recognize his importance to the establishment of this medium. Miyazaki have indeed shown in public his displeasure with the current animu industry a couple of times already. However, just like Anno -who despises the status of his fanbase- they both know this medium is changing and that this fandom is inevitable and it's just futile to fight against it. Tastes changes, the target audience changes, times change. Pampering is a cancer killing the industry? I know it not. -poi. |
| I love how all threads about Hayao Miyazaki somehow always turn into ''Hating on Miyazaki cuz it's cool'' threads |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
xbobx said: just like Anno - who despises the status of his fanbase Rly? I'm glad to hear that. I hate the over thinking attitude of the NGE fanbase. |
Okashi_sama said: Ah, yes. Another thread about the guy who keeps on retiring because people don't make anime they way he wants, And you get some people who agree with and him and also start ranting despite getting everything for free. at least he's not a f***ing sellout !!! |
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| Why do these kind of threads keep popping up?! They are pure baiting material. Why can't we have a thread about unicorns that shit rainbows or something. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Why do these kind of threads keep popping up?! They are pure baiting material. Why can't we have a thread about unicorns that shit rainbows or something. you could always start one. |
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silverwalls said: It would be banned because it isn't about anime :'(Milk_is_Special said: Why do these kind of threads keep popping up?! They are pure baiting material. Why can't we have a thread about unicorns that shit rainbows or something. you could always start one. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Start it in CD then.silverwalls said: It would be banned because it isn't about anime :'(you could always start one. |
Okashi_sama said: I don't want to, I'm scared >_<Milk_is_Special said: Start it in CD then.It would be banned because it isn't about anime :'( |
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Hoppy said: I was just watching an episode of Family Guy where they made a joke about the pornographic fanart you see of the show on porn sites (And as much as Family Guy has gone downhill in the past few years it was admittedly pretty fucking funny). Mr. Butthurt is scared of his cute creations being sexualized. He needs to deal with it, no one else but him even cares about a few loli artists drawing porn of any cute characters they created. I don't know why it is that Seth McFarlane can laugh off that sort of stuff but Miyazaki, who is undoubtedly a far more wise and level headed person, freaks out about it. I have nowhere near as much experience making movies, anime or just about anything as he does but even I know it's not something worth getting worked up about. |
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Milk_is_Special said: silverwalls said: It would be banned because it isn't about anime :'(you could always start one. no you would arrested by the FBI!!! [spoiler] and the FBI DO NOT like MILK!!! |
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Milk_is_Special said: Why do these kind of threads keep popping up?! They are pure baiting material. Why can't we have a thread about unicorns that shit rainbows or something. Here's one about a unicorn, but she doesn't shit rainbows: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1349248 ^_^ |
LucasRTS said: Nah moe has been a thing since the 70's, but it wasn't done right back then. When Japan got it right, the industry grew and we got more quality titles.Waifusexual said: It's exactly the opposite.Moe saved anime. Miyazaki can eat a dick. |
| Moe is trash and I don't like it. |
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FGAU1912 said: watWaifusexual said: Nah moe has been a thing since the 70's, but it wasn't done right back then. When Japan got it right, the industry grew and we got more quality titles. right when a moe anime makes gundam or precure money i may agree |
| Moe is love, moe is life. |
Feaor said: Moe is love, moe is life. Your avatar and sig is too moe btw |
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robis798 said: Its KanColle so of course its moe!Feaor said: Moe is love, moe is life. Your avatar and sig is too moe btw |
FGAU1912 said: You'll agree with me when moe anime make more money than two anime series?Waifusexual said: wat when the sort of anime you say has help grow the industy mkes more money than gundam and precure then id agree with you on that there is moe anime prodcued these days ie over all more profit but on a anime by anime AVeridge basis anime makes less im compare to the powerhuses that make conistnt profit of high amount like gundam precure and eva ofr exmaple Am I reading this right? |
Zoddd said: So it takes no skill to take a mediocre yonkoma and turn it into one of the most successful franchises in the last few years? Ok.I agre with Miyazaki, Moe is killing creativity. It doesn't require any skill to create a show based solely on moe like K-ON Non Non Biyori etc..Japanese otaku are truly pathetic to keep buying these kinds of anime, I feel nothing but pity for them. |
FGAU1912 said: or even get in to the top 3 precure is pretty moe though |
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I think Miyazaki was talking about the wrong Era.  |
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| Think he is more talking about the difficulties in making a female lead who is popular with the masses in general (Or maybe more likely, a younger girl lead). Since he was known for making female leads it would make sense that he was talking about his own experiences. He mentions that in order to gain popularity one needs to make the lead "lovely" or in other words likeable. However their seems to be a fine line between likeable and going full blast "moe", which in his opinion is a genre that makes the girls appear as "pets" when they go over the top in making them adorable. I should also note that this quote may also be talking to doujins or other works, it is not specified what medium he is referring to, since the end makes him sound like the author is creating the character as if she was "his pet". |
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| Since people obviously are too lazy to read all of the posts I'll just go ahead and quote |
Comic_SansJan 30, 2015 9:24 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| miyazaki is quite moe |
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hentai_proxy said: Feaor said: ...and thus the emo-granddad meme was born. lel Kagami_Hiiragi said: I can't take a guy who has "retired" 1000 times seriously. Well, Miyazaki's always been a bitch. He complained about shading and "overdetail" back in the 80s, has bitched about otaku since the 90s, bitches about his own studio, subtly about himself. At least Oshii bitched back at him, heh. |
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