NthDegree said: I watched like ~10 eps of this (Mobile Suit Gundam), but it had too many robots punching other robots and too little politics. It felt like the anime just kept throwing random enemies or trouble at the MCs to keep the intensity up, so the story progression didn't feel organic. It started to feel exhausting to watch after a while. If it was up to me, every space series would be LOGH lol. Yes, original Gundam was actually a story from point of view of a small unit, not like LoGH or Code Geass when you see the war from point of view of their leaders.. It is episodic in nature, and it took time to interested in their conflict, you don't need to binging it like every other episodic series.. It had some memorable episodes/scenes, I would say that you should give it a chance to the end of first anime ... Even in LoGH, I needed time to get accostumed to their conflict.. |
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| I have honestly I think its a combination of the dated animation and some of misconceptions people have towards mecha anime. I think if Sunrise continued with the Origin adaption and remade all of 0079 it would help towards getting more people into the UC timeline. |
| I've seen every TV Gundam except G Gundam and Turn X and its probably one of my favorite franchises. I haven't watched all of the OVAs yet, but I'm getting there. 0079 was my least favorite in the UC time line cause it just felt like it dragged and I wasn't really engaged in the characters aside from Char and Kai. But I'm thinking about giving it another shot cause The Origin made me fall in love with some characters since they are fleshed out more especially Ramba Ral, Hamon Crowley, and Garma Zabi. While it was made in the late 70s the animation for fights were not as good as its sequels and the new Gundams. Even though I gave it a 4 I appreciate its existence cause it if were not for Tomino starting this franchise I probably would be among the masses who only watched Code Geass,Gurren Lagann, and NGE when it comes to mecha. My friend recommending SEED right after Code Geass finished airing back in 2008 pretty much solidified my love for the genre and Sci-Fi/Space as well. |
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| I think mecha is very difficult to get right, because it's such a powerful and yet such a silly idea. It requires a mixture of taking things seriously and not taking things seriously at all which only GAINAX and Trigger can do with any consistency. With a couple of other exceptions, like Nadesico and Code Geass, mecha anime always end up boring me, either being too serious, too naive, or just not coming together in the first place. |
| Because it doesn’t appeal to me at all. And I know I’m not going to like it alot. |
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Jim_Heart said: NthDegree said: I watched like ~10 eps of this (Mobile Suit Gundam), but it had too many robots punching other robots and too little politics. It felt like the anime just kept throwing random enemies or trouble at the MCs to keep the intensity up, so the story progression didn't feel organic. It started to feel exhausting to watch after a while. If it was up to me, every space series would be LOGH lol. Yes, original Gundam was actually a story from point of view of a small unit, not like LoGH or Code Geass when you see the war from point of view of their leaders.. It is episodic in nature, and it took time to interested in their conflict, you don't need to binging it like every other episodic series.. It had some memorable episodes/scenes, I would say that you should give it a chance to the end of first anime ... Even in LoGH, I needed time to get accostumed to their conflict.. Eh, personally I feel like 10 episodes is enough for me to judge whether I like the show. The difference between this and LOGH is that I like politics and war tactics as a genre to begin with, while I'm not really into robot combat at all. |
This is the reason why i haven't watched Mobile Suit Gundam. |
Thats only half the reason |
| Because it all comes down to how it was marketed in the West, not just Gundam but mecha as a whole. @CordobezEverdeen >i have no idea about what i'm talking about when it comes to mecha Don't worry, it shows. Arkab said: The creator of NGE laughs at this.I'm eventually going to watch these series, starting by the very first one... just not right now. Although the amount of entries is scary XD. I think many refuse to watch it because they think old mecha is just giant robots lasering each other and that's dumb stuff for kids.... and eeeeeverything changed once NGE "deconstructed" the genre.... HeadlessHorseman said: Exactly lmao.I've watched Gundam and if I were to assume based on the responses you often see in the forums, the reason a lot of people don't watch is probably because of the older animation, some misguided notion of the mecha genre, or the length. A lot of people seem to think mecha is nothing but giant robots fighting, and series like NGE or Code Geass are exceptions that focus more on the characters or story. This isn't even close to being true though; most of the mecha series I've seen are more about the characters/story/themes, rather than the robot battles. Sure, there are some mecha that are about robots fighting, but thinking that all of them are this way is just close-minded, especially if you're a person who tries to insist that mecha is bad, yet hasn't seen more than two or three mecha series at most, or, if you're trying to make yourself a laughingstock when you say mecha is bad, none at all. It's usually the ones that have seen the so called "exceptions" or haven't seen any of it that act like they know what they're talking about. You want your opinion heard when you haven't done your homework? Nah logopolis said: >only ones to do itI think mecha is very difficult to get right, because it's such a powerful and yet such a silly idea. It requires a mixture of taking things seriously and not taking things seriously at all which only GAINAX and Trigger can do with any consistency. With a couple of other exceptions, like Nadesico and Code Geass, mecha anime always end up boring me, either being too serious, too naive, or just not coming together in the first place. No, that's a big generalization, they're not the only ones. And how are those two the exception? |
CabronApr 29, 2019 8:37 AM
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The only acceptable excuse. |
| I just don't like Mecha at all. Can't see myself delving into this huge show anytime soon. I'll stick to my completely degenerate SoL shows and Cgdct |
NthDegree said: Jim_Heart said: Yes, original Gundam was actually a story from point of view of a small unit, not like LoGH or Code Geass when you see the war from point of view of their leaders.. It is episodic in nature, and it took time to interested in their conflict, you don't need to binging it like every other episodic series.. It had some memorable episodes/scenes, I would say that you should give it a chance to the end of first anime ... Even in LoGH, I needed time to get accostumed to their conflict.. Eh, personally I feel like 10 episodes is enough for me to judge whether I like the show. The difference between this and LOGH is that I like politics and war tactics as a genre to begin with, while I'm not really into robot combat at all. How about starting it from Gundam Origin instead ? In Origin, you get some character background of the most important character in Gundam franchise and you can see more politics than 10 episode of the original, even maybe more than entire 43 episodes.. Less robot battles too, far less ... |
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| I just haven't felt like it. It's pretty long too. The animation or oldness of it doesn't really bother me though. |
| woah there |
| It's just a big commitment, if I watch one series I'll want to watch them all. Watch order is also a bit of a headache when you know nothing about the franchise like me. This thread has cleared up that problem though. I'd like to start sooner rather than later, probably will before the end of this year tbh. |
| Boring mecha? The only mecha that is not boring i've watched is gurren lagann |
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| I'd like to watch it eventually, at least the more renowned series, but it's not exactly among my top priorities. For a number of reasons but yeah, having robots fighting each other is a big one. Other than that, what does it offer? Good character development? I'll take note, but it's not like I don't expect that from many other shows I want to watch. Politics or military strategy? Not my field. Not something I'd buy a show for. In the end I just don't see the urge to watch the Gundam franchise, not any more than many of my PTW. But hey, it's in there, I do acknowledge it. |
| it's simple...the art. I don't really like old art, since I'm already used to modern art. maybe this the reason that I don't want to watch gundam seed despite knowing how good the story is. the only fav gundam to me is 00, the story and music is the main reason. |
| TOOO LONG, TOOO OLD, TOOO MANY BETA CUCK MC'S NOT ENOUGH WAIFUS, TOOO MANY FRANCHISES, TOO MANY EPS, TOO MUCH OF THINGS DONT ACTUALLY CHANGE, STAY SAME, RE USED PLOTS ETC. I take the waifu part back though. |
It is but as far as i know Turn A references multiple Timelines, if i remember an Interview with Tomino i read right he said something about all timelines coming together as one and forming the Black History, but dont quote me on that i haven't seen Turn A. |
jalensz said: Daphi said: It is but as far as i know Turn A references multiple Timelines, if i remember an Interview with Tomino i read right he said something about all timelines coming together as one and forming the Black History, but dont quote me on that i haven't seen Turn A. He did say that. He created Turn A to embrace all of Gundam series together. That's why you see bunch of UC Mobilesuits in the series and homage to "God finger" and other non-UC stuff. Reconguista was supposed to take place after Turn A according to Tomino, I saw the title in the UC list, and I thought Turn A should be UC if Reconguista is. :) fair enough^^ makes sense |
NthDegree said: I watched like ~10 eps of this (Mobile Suit Gundam), but it had too many robots punching other robots and too little politics. It felt like the anime just kept throwing random enemies or trouble at the MCs to keep the intensity up, so the story progression didn't feel organic. It started to feel exhausting to watch after a while. If it was up to me, every space series would be LOGH lol. Most people recommend you start with the Gundam movie trilogy, and I've just seen the first movie myself. It supposedly pares the kiddy robot ads down to a mature war story. I haven't noticed a ton of politics so far, but some of the military symbols are reminiscent of the Nazis and Imperial Japan, which may be a sign of things to come. |
How do you have time to often write such detailed responses to questions like this? |
CommieCool said: How do you have time to often write such detailed responses to questions like this? idk, I type fast and I enjoy talking about anime so it just kinda happens. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
OnionKnightRises said: I think why I and other people have trouble doing so is how daunting it is with how big the show is. It is very intimidating to start, especially for those of us that want to watch all seasons at some point, not just the classic seasons. It feels like a large commitment There is a problem indeed if you start considering those various series as "seasons", in other words, halves/parts of a continued story. This is mostly not the case: - the 79 story is self-sufficient and never had any vocation to be followed by something. - the favoured movies trilogy recut (and last third remade) can indeed be seen as slightly guiding you toward the second series, Zeta, but its narratives, the grander as well as the more personal ones, all get their deserved conclusions. - the Zeta series is effectively made with a direct sequel in mind to close its geopolitic problems despite ending its civil war (but the personal journey of the hero is done). It also requires the first story viewing in order to get the background ideas (not so much the hero's story, but it helps to have it put in perspective with the original hero). It evel allows itself to "develop" further several previous characters (as side characters this time). - its partly remake trilogy is a dead-end alternative version and is totally self-sufficient. (not saying that it is better) - the ZZ series is the direct follow-up to Zeta and concludes the geopolitics while allowing for a new hero's journey, different again from the previous two. (and shakes up the basic recipe) - the movie called "Char's Counterattacks" is a grand finale for this saga, bringing an hopeful conclusion to Gundam's themes and expanding on/concluding various characters developments from the original. - the post 80s installments are their own stories, only using those settings to tell their own (different) story, be it a "Top-Gun" action show, an antiwar child tale, an South-Asia war story, etc. Knowledges of the settings can help you to appreciate them more. Knowing there is/was a big war is sufficient. - in particular, the Unicorn series is a deluxe epilogue for those who watched the four main installments (79, Zeta, ZZ, CCA). I disliked it but it 's quite an exciting last bang for some people who liked those series. - the later F91 ( a movie long concept trailer, beautiful but useless in terms of story) and the Victory series are so remote in chronology because they were supposed to be a new start (each one). They were also experiments with including other themes inside the traditional recipe. - Turn A is a series long epilogue for this universe, exploring the themes further, adding some, bringing more hope, etc. It's also a pretty good stand-alone series. - Reconguista no G: can't talk about it apart from its gorgeous look. And then, you have all the other series with their own universes who do their own thing, be it war action, campy action, "gritty" action, mecha porn, etc and/or try to re-do what the original did (war drama, a bit of politics) or its over-popular sequel (teenagers soap-opera in war) All this thing about Gundam being too big or too large is more or less born from a few fans who tried to convince people that they should watch'em all, or that 0079 is nothing more than a required watch to appreciate Zeta and not worth its own, etc @Whgedia The day I decided to watch Gundam I plan on watch every single series of Gundam What's the point? There are varous kind of stories in there, many having nothing in common part from the robotic element and scifi setting. Fictions aren't like some collectible figures. CordobezEverdeen said: Mecha has always been bad. The og Gundam is pg 13 and im kinda itching for something more mature. I've heard everything now. Arkab said: They think old mecha is just dumb stuff for kids.... and eeeeeverything changed once NGE "deconstructed" the genre.... So, they basically ignore the fact that Eva is only the Third Impact of jap.animation and Gundam was the Second. NthDegree said: too many robots punching other robots and too little politics.. The manga's adaptation by its designer, The Origin, is way more fluid. (the movies did a good trimming job but apart from the third one feel quite shaky in their cuté&past structure) @Cevoy @AshitanoJonas Great one ! edit: @Cabron Not expectig this kind of knowledge from lmabda peoples, only from people throwing terms like "deconstruction" and EVA around. Mai 1st, 2019 @petran79 The F91 movie is a compilation of scenes from the 13 first episodes scripts made for a 50eps long one. But CCA was never thought off as a TV show: the producers ordered Tomino a theatrical adaptation of his "light-novel", High smthng streamer. He created a new scenario more in line with the TV continuity but his proposition was rejected, so he went with the original. The reworked story became another novel, Beltorchika's Children (recently turned into a manga). |
Rei_IIIMay 1, 2019 3:04 AM
Rei366 said: Do you really expect them to know that?Arkab said: They think old mecha is just dumb stuff for kids.... and eeeeeverything changed once NGE "deconstructed" the genre.... So, they basically ignore the fact that Eva is only the Third Impact of jap.animation and Gundam was the Second. That's not even getting into how much of a culture impact mecha had on Japan, way before NGE was even a thing. |
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| I've seen a few random episodes, but I struggle to care about mecha-anime in general. Just not something I find that fascinating as a central theme. I think people who enjoy it are probably those obsessed with new technologies, the 'advancement' of the human race, etc. which are also things I don't care about. |
| I've watched a couple of gundam anime. I'll probably watch gundam 00 next. |
| You have to commit to it and I'm already in one committed relationship with a series. That's enough. |
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| Because its mecha, and any mecha anime that isn’t Code Geass, Gurren Lagann, and Neon Genesis Evangelion is shit like any good anime fan would tell you! KuroudoAkabane said: TOOO LONG, TOOO OLD, TOOO MANY BETA CUCK MC'S NOT ENOUGH WAIFUS, TOOO MANY FRANCHISES, TOO MANY EPS, TOO MUCH OF THINGS DONT ACTUALLY CHANGE, STAY SAME, RE USED PLOTS ETC. I take the waifu part back though. “Beta Cuck MCs” From what I seen so far of Gundam, Shiro from Gundam 08th MS team, Kamille, Heero Yuy, Setsuna, Augus Mikazuki, and the MC of gundam thunderbolt don’t fall into that stupid buzzword definition. Especially Heero Yuy, but he’s creepy anyways. |
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| I started with G Gundam when I was little and casually watched other seasons as I got older including sd gundam, why. I don't bother with the timeline - I don't even know what that looks like, and I don't feel like getting intimidated by looking for it either. I'm sure much more serious Gundam fans keep it in mind but I don't suggest newcomers do that. I plan to watch more from the franchise but that would just be me picking and choosing (ex. DEFINITELY want to watch Turn A). One thing I was always impressed by is Gundam shows tend to have amazing ost. If 00 and Age's openings are anything to go by, the music is still an appealing factor for me. Gundam is the reason I fell in love with jpop actually, so the franchise is something I'm still fond of. If anyone is looking to get into Gundam, as shallow as it sounds, I say just start with one whose designs and opening you like. You don't really need a big reason to start watching. |
| I just kinda dislike the mecha genre in general. I'm not 100% sure of why I do, but I do avoid anime with the mecha genre. However, I haven't tried watching the Gundam series, so I could. But it would just be unlikely that I would like it. I'm also not a fan of watching older anime, and I don't really like seeing robots fight. |
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| I didn't enjoy the Gundam movie trilogy and got burned out after trying and failing to enjoy it on further rewatches. |
| My answer is as simple as, I feel like I have anime I'm more interested in to get to before I dive into Gundam. Plus I'm personally not a fan of mech anime. |
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| Because I generally hate giant mecha shows with very few exceptions such as Gunbuster and Diebuster. |
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| @Whgedia Thanks for the explanation, I didn't realize that it was about the "more recent = better" concept. (never saw "newer" except on Internet fora) For Jojo, the technicalities of writing are improved thanks to it being the same guy, always in the same format (weekly then monthly comic). You c@n't expect this from a brand of series written by various peoples and moreover when it's an industrial product with a ton of people on it, even those made by the same old creator Tomino, despite him being the main commander and having a certain control over them, are never really "improved" (except a few TV-›movie recuts) because the old man never wanted to do the same thing. (except one time where he was jeopardized) (FSN "is garbage" only because it's the currently claimed Internet truth, it was all the rage in its period and "the greatest thing ever", people are just unable to rationalize about this brand) |
| My plan-to-watch list is inflating faster than the universe itself, meaning it'll take longer to catch up to watch the entire series |
| I don't have a problem with the animation. Yeah, it's old, but it's fine. What gets me is the pacing. I tried watching this a while ago and was just so bored. I also tried watching Macross and didn't fare much better. Old TV anime tends to be really repetitive and I struggle to enjoy it. I think I'm going to give the movies a try. |
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