| About Suzumiya Haruhi: careful to don't mistake surrealism with philosophical themes. It surely have some, but the main plot approach is using surreal elements I agree with you, Merridian, but about not being finished, let's remember that interpretation and deduction are meant to be done personally by each person, although I'm clearly speaking seriously, and avoiding obvious absurd theories made out of nothing, based on the "emptyness" of the end People in this club are supposed to serious, right? |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
Tentei said: There are also some Animes, where I can see quite many philosophical themes. .hack//sign Chaos;Head Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu .hack//sign have personal values and impressions for playing disorders. Taking these out, is a surrealistic story, approaching the MMORPG theme and real-life-scaping, with the mystery element of Tsukasa being unableto disconnect, real deaths coused by the game, the Twilight Key, and so on. Tehy're mistery to me, not philosophy Suzumiya Haruhi I have spoke in a post right below Chaos Head I agree, but for personal reasons.If I hadn't myself the mind problems and character/idea identifications, it would be same case of .hack//sign: a surreal story meant for few people who have own private reasons to go deeper on it. Except, maybe, the concept of isolating and controling the senses, like Descartes said that we could bea bunch of brains floating on water barrels. This is an interesting topic, but I don't know if others will accept it, specially because it is not exactly the main focus of the series |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
| Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? |
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creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
fredi-sj said: creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions but didn't Dante also said that this 'Law' is a fallacy. For example, if a farmer did his best in planting crops but then a storm came and ruin his field. The farmer didn't gain anything after all his efforts in planting. |
Kaiserpingvin said: Anything can make a fine topic of debate. So do that. Thank you for your permission *bow* |
Merridian said: fredi-sj said: I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here. When I referred to the Haruhi franchise as unfinished, I was referring to the actual story, not any sort of interpretation. The novels haven't concluded yet, and at the moment I have no reason to doubt that KyoAni will continue with its animated adaptations. In relation to what I was getting at, I was merely stating that there's a pretty big philosophical idea present in the story, but it's rather subdued and looming as a sort of presence rather than being explicitly explored in any concrete manner. And given how the novels have been turning out, it’s difficult to say how Tanigawa will swing with things. I agree with you, Merridian, but about not being finished, let's remember that interpretation and deduction are meant to be done personally by each person, although I'm clearly speaking seriously, and avoiding obvious absurd theories made out of nothing, based on the "emptyness" of the end (sorry about late reply to this) are you talking about The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya? *lost* |
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| I have no idea Suzumiya Haruhi was a Light Novel, and, sorry for my words, it is the nth time that the conclusion of the Manga/Novel is used as argument to reinforce a potential flaw on a series Specially because I watched the 2nd season and there are 7 episodes almost equal, one to another I respect your opinion but the hold interpretation of the facts went down with the 2nd season and the movie just turned it into a mess. It's not wrong to say, up to this point, that each object is interpretated a number of times equal to the watchers + 1 (Plato). In Suzumiya's case, we interpretate 1st season one way (where all the events are around her crush upon Kyon), 2nd season other way (where this crush isn't so explored and the facts are exposed exploring the powers and ramdomness of slice-of-life of a girl with godlike powers), and the movie itself just expose a 3rd reality suggesting it never existed at all. Making that sequel is, for me, a trial to earn money, like the "Lost" series (I never watched it) or "The Cube". Of those three, 1st season is the best because we can find a acceptable meaning for the events My opinion, and, although not "proven", makes all sense, but anyone could disagree |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
C25 said: but didn't Dante also said that this 'Law' is a fallacy. For example, if a farmer did his best in planting crops but then a storm came and ruin his field. The farmer didn't gain anything after all his efforts in planting. Are you talking about Dante Alighieri? Her writings were strictly controlled by Church In spite of that, the Karma "Law" is an Eastern Religion abstraction, common in Occult European Sciences with slight variations, and renamed "Return Law" or, in the case of Gardner's Wicca, "Threefold Law" Dante talked about it in a position of a philoshopher supporting Church, where there is no equality laws, and the bas ones will be punished, and the only one who konow the "wheres-or-whys" is The Lord, The Almighty God, and therefore in your example that farmer maybe on some point of his life did something god disliked. Even if it is something we can't stand up, like "looking the wrong way" or "peeing the wrong place". God is God and that's it Or, Dante could be interpretated as a pilosopher that, in a skeptical way, disliked the "Law of Equality and Justice" on an unfair world. Voltaire would reclaim the same topic on his book "Candide" Either way, Dante's declaration is out of question, unless a solely (or not) opinion thinks that greatly of the "Law of Equivalence" in Fullmetal |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
| I demand adding Pokemon. This story depicts Ash a Homilopathic Figure, the one who suffer from psychosociological disturbances and Inferiority Complex. Everytime he met a Pokemon master, he felt like handicaped not being able to train a poke. Through the series he improved as a human and achieved hypothetical transhuman state. This metamorphosis leaded him to Nietzsche`s Ubermensch theory. What is more, he did not only improve in existentialistic sense but also progressed the bond between him and his pokemons. We can see, during the series, that the vast majority of Trainers have "slavery-like" bond with pokemons. But not Ash, he developed it into higher level, a metaphysical one. The equality is fulfilled by completing every aspect of Cicero`s friendship definition. We can also see "pokemons" a higher intelectual form of animals that are able to exhibit the higher form of emotions like love and firendship. It makes them somewhat between animal and Animism, where animals are gods. What a great transanimalism concept! The whole concept of competition is also a refrence to Heraclitus Arché "War is the mother of everything" and supraindividualistic Bergson`s Élan vital theory. |
| I think it's hard to define a 'philosophical' anime, e.g. does psychological count as philosophical? Technically not of course, otherwise there'd be no use for the differing terms, but looking at the list I get the impression some anime might have been added because of this anyways. But this also seems to be a discussion topic, so instead of demanding certain anime to be added I guess I'll just suggest anime to be discussed. =3 First anime I'd suggest adding would be Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. I'ts mainly fantasy, but the final episode does incorporate some major metaphysical elements. Another anime I think would be interesting to discuss is B Gata H Kei. x3 Being an ecchi-comedy it might seem a long shot from a philosophical anime, but I think there are definitely underlying themes present that could be considered part of the realm of philosophical anthropology. Mainly the importance of sex in human relations, the morality of sex at a young(er) age and the way teenagers should be taught about above subject. And please first think about it before you write it off, I won't accept unreasonable counter-arguments. =P Playboy said: Add Durarara I also tend to agree on adding Durarara!!, because it covers several subjects on human interactions. And on the topic of Suzumiya Haruhi, the only subject I think could be considered philosophical is once again |
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| I'm case those anime/manga relations are still being updated, I'd like to add a candidate: Gunslinger Girl At first glance, it might seem to be what the tag line says it is: Little girls with big guns. However, I think the description given by that line is misleading. In both the anime and manga, Gunslinger Girl relies, explicitly and implicitly, on a philosophical theme explored throughout the series: the Problem of Dirty Hands. The basic idea involves the the notion of a supreme emergency and the person who has to decide what to do in that situation, where the desired outcome may require that person to break ethical rules "for the greater good". The whole series explores a Machiavellian political theory that informs the characters' actions: being the bad guy is a means to protect the good guys. I think Gunslinger Girl sheds some meaningful philosophical light on political issues in morality and society. As such, I think it could be included on the relations lists. |
| another anime that should be added is FLCL for it methaphor of how we reach the adulthood. |
| The count of monty Cristo should be added. |
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| I suggest Eve no Jikan. It happens in a future when robots and androids are nearly onmipresent and held in servitude and segregation by the Asimov's laws and a xeno/cyberphobic ethics comitee's strict laws, despite (or more probably because of) their intelligence. With intelligence, comes the capacity for self-awareness, abstract thought, understanding, and finally independent action and emotional response... and these are the most dreaded things for the techophobes in charge. The robots, while bound by the robotic laws, find a way to un-obey: if it isn't expressly forbidden, then it's tacitly permitted; so, behind their masters' backs, a few of them mix with humans in a bar where the rule is that no discrimination is allowed. Whether their motivations for anarchically exploring the cracks of order are to practice human relations so they can become better servents or just chill out from their daily tasks, I believe they're of interest to anyone who claims liking philosophy. |
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| I will get to adding some of these soon. I'm sorry for taking so long. |
tsundereboy said: Hi everyone, great club, I hope to make lots of friends? :) I recently finished Mawaru Penguindrum and I think it's quite a philosophical anime. It talks a lot about free will, that is one of the most intruguing and old problems of philosophy, and it explores the issues that arise with respect to determinism, moral responsibility and many other themes. Shouldn't it be included in the list? http://myanimelist.net/anime/10721/Mawaru_Penguindrum We're looking into possibly adding some shows to anime relations. Please be patient. |
| Because it covers many philosophical topics on life and growing up, FLCL has been added to anime relations. |
| I think Shinsekai Yori should be added on the list. And here is the reason why: Sorry for my bad english I hope I could explain myself enough |
| Update for just the Anime Relations list at the moment: All anime considered: -Shinsekai Yori -Mawaru Penguindrum -Death Note -Gankutsuou -Madoka Magica -Durarara!! -Gunslinger Girl Anime added to Relations list: -Mawaru Penguindrum: plethora of symbolism and visual allusions to famous works of art. Looks at the concept of fate through a philosophical lens. Real life cultural references tying back to this concept. -Gunslinger Girl: moral ambiguity strewn throughout. Each character has separate philosophies on life that are explored in the show. Moral dilemma between characters as weapons of violence and characters as actual people is explored. -Shoujo Kakumei Utena: heavily borrows philosophical theories of both Carl Jung and Hermann Hesse. Also explores themes of existentialism and psychological analysis. Anime rejected from being added: -Durarara!! -Death Note Anime on hold or on the fence: -Madoka Magica: Is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre. However, needs to be looked at further for philosophical elements or discussed with other admins for future placement. -Shinsekai Yori: Will most likely be added in the future, but not now. I did not know enough about it to just arbitrarily place it on the list. -Gankutsuou: Not sure about this one either. I will have to actually complete it before making an opinion on whether it should be added or not. For Manga: I apologize, but I only had enough knowledge on the anime I was considering. Since I do not read that much manga, there was no way I could've added any of the suggestions to the list. It will get done however, I assure you. |
| by the way, why is not Jinrui on that list? It was a dark comedy with a lot of criticism of religion, politics and humanity. |
Vis4Vanity said: by the way, why is not Jinrui on that list? It was a dark comedy with a lot of criticism of religion, politics and humanity. Because it takes some time to analyze each of these suggestions to see if they're philosophical in nature. An anime might seem like the most obvious choice, but we still need to look at it and determine that. Sorry for taking so long. |
| Appleseed manga by Masamune Shirow. |
| Nice to see lots of suggestions! Gankutsuou, I love this series, but I don't think it dabbles much in philosophy. You can definitely take away some themes about the nature of friendship and revenge and how far humans are willing to go to achieve goals, but those ideas aren't explored enough and are hardly the focus of the show. I definitely agree with DRRR!! and Death Note being rejected. They both dabble with very simplistic ideas. They are like entry-level armchair philosophy ideas that don't really go anywhere or offer much meat to chew on. I really have not seen much of the others and cannot comment on them. I recently finished Steins;Gate. It was a great series. |
| Homunculus was nominated in the second page, has it got a verdict yet? In any case, I'm thirding its nomination. |
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Litrydow said: I've been reading Homunculus, and I'm loving it. It's like Ichi the Killer but instead of violence, problems are solved through psychological analysis. That said, I think it's definitely more psychological than philosophical.Homunculus was nominated in the second page, has it got a verdict yet? In any case, I'm thirding its nomination. |
| 'I am a Hero' belongs on the list. It has a lot of interesting philosophy on the topics of Japanese culture, manga, and morality. |
| Shamo. |
| I would add: -Fate/Zero (there is a thread about Fate/Zero in the club) -Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (series, not the horrible movie adaptation) -Kara no Kyoukai (I think whoever has watch KnK would say the same. KnK are 8 movies, I think, so maybe it would be good to add at least the first one?) Here an article about Fate/stay night philosophy if someone is interested: http://sequart.org/magazine/25252/yet-those-hands-will-never-hold-anything-emiya-shirou-as-the-interactive-superhero-of-fatestay-night-part-1/ |
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