Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Episode 13 Discussion

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wrenchbread said:

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I still stand by the idea that any reading of Mahouka has its place in the Mahouka forum. Yes, that includes making fun of the things it does. Otherwise [amusing, crazy, etc.] fan theories or breakdowns that try to make sense of some of the more... incomprehensible shows would be thrown out with the bathwater.

Just wanna confirm, if another person did the exact opposite, that is, saying "this is great!" week after week, what would you do? Would you condemn it as much?

And I dunno why you're so focused on masochism or irony. The discussions I'm referring to aren't exclusive to just those two ideas. I don't think I'm particularly hurting myself. I don't think I'm hurting another person (unless someone somewhere identifies too much with the work someone else is criticizing). I think being able to consider irony or any sort of humor in a work is just as valid as the surface reading. I'm sure you've learned how to analyze literature. Every possible perspective is valid in a forum for discussion. Whether or not you think the specific content, as in, the specifics (e.g. Tatsuya is annoyed at all the girls around him) is valid is the one thing up for debate. Now, if you wanna create separate threads for ironic interpretations (memes, jokes, satire, etc.) I guess you can, but the general episode thread will have to make do until one is made. Until you're a mod or put the report button to use, you're just gonna have to accept this.

NeoGAF, one of the most respectable English gaming forums on the internet doesn't have entire separate sections for the different games we talk about because it wasn't built for it. We made do with "Official Threads (OTs)." All posts that praise, hate, elucidate, criticize, analyze, etc. all go into these megathreads. And it works. Why? Because of proper moderation. Because you don't have to pay mind to everything written. As long as you're on topic. As long as you don't attack another user. No racism, bigotry, sexism, etc. You should try reading what gets posted in the FFXIII threads sometime. It gets superheated, with jokes made in between all the word flinging, and people come out of it just fine, for the most part. (Yes, people are still butthurt over it to this day.)

Ermm...I didn't come up with the masochist thing. Neither with the ironical confabulation of something. Those were you guys' examples.

"Nidhoeggr said:
I am just masochist that likes to make fun of bad movies."

And you came up with the irony-thing.

Thus, I'm basically focussing on these examples because that were the examples you yourselves provided. ;-)

"Just wanna confirm, if another person did the exact opposite, that is, saying "this is great!" week after week, what would you do? Would you condemn it as much?"

Hmm. I would certainly find it as worthless as any other unsubstantiated and repetitive comment. Positive and negative don't matter in this respect. Would I react as much against it? Probably not - though I have done so a few times when it really became too blatant as well. The reason being, what I already said: one may reasonably expect, in an anime forum, that people talk about the anime they like. It's not about a secondary derived pleasure, it's directly related to the anime. It's therefore more on-topic, even if it's as worthless in my eyes. It's also less prone to be put there to get some reaction out of others. I'm simply not naïve enough to consider all those negativistic one-liners - some are blatantly provocative - as mere invites for a reasonable and constructive dialogue. If a fanboy here says how great everything is, I don't think he does it to annoy others, nor to elicit a reaction or response of the 'basher' crowd. The trolling aspect is much less, thus. They would still say how much they loved it, even if there were no bashers around. In contrast, I think a lot of the bashing and provocative posts would starkly diminish if no one of the fanboys or others liking the series were here to provoke.

So I'm inclined to ignore those repetitive and little-saying fanboy-posts as being worthless, but reasonable comments which I tolerate (more). The 'reasonable' being the natural expectation that people who like something, will continue watching and thus will continue talk about it. As said, I don't find it a reasonable expectation of someone who DISLIKES the series and is very vocal about how boring it is and what not, to continue to not only watch it, but also continue complaining about it, week after week. This is not normally within the line of what can be expected, unless there are ulterior motives behind the continuous complaints. The one I explicitly heard mention is that it was an invitation to debate. However, as I pointed out, the repetition, the form, the style, the lack of argumentation etc. is not conductive to open a debate, I therefore find it highly dubious that that would be the main reason of continuous complaining. Positive reiterated remarks are understandable in the sense that it's the most obvious way of dealing with a series one likes. The most obvious way to deal with a series one doesn't like, is not watching it, however. Not watching it is a perfect alternative for those that find something boring to watch.

It could be, as you say, that some of the bashers have some peculiar secondary pleasure in keeping complaining about something you keep watching though you don't like it, but one can hardly call that a reasonable expectation. It is, frankly, weird. I'm not trying to be judgemental here, I'm just saying as it is: normally, people do not waste their time on things they don't like, if the point of it is, exactly to entertain oneself. Even bashing and trolling could be considered to give pleasure to those that do the trolling (in fact, it almost always does), but that doesn't mean we should consider troll-posts as being a 'normal' way and certainly not a welcome way of conduct on a forum. To a lesser degree, this is true with posts that are hovering between troll-posts and just reiterated bashing one-liner posts. The most logical consideration there, is that it's neither an invitation for an interesting debate, nor behaviour that would be the most logical - namely not watching a series one doesn't like, just as watching a series one *does* like is also normal. The question then becomes - and with it, the rather natural suspicion - : why does someone keep watching and complaining and whining about a series that he doesn't like, instead of doing the obvious? I got two reasons: MS feelings and ironic confabulations. But why would that make it reasonable, or at least, have to be considered a normal way of dealing with it? I mean, what is it to us, that you derive some secondary pleasure out of it? Why would that differ with a real troll, who derives secondary pleasure out of trolling too? Should we allow trolls to flamebait too, then?

I'm sorry, but, while I can see how you think you have the right - and, on itself, you have - to consider secondary derived pleasure as equally valid as posts directly portraying to the anime itself, I do not think this is the case. At the very least, it can't be considered normal behaviour, within the context of watching and commenting (and especially 'keep' watching and commenting something while you don't like it while one keeps saying one doesn't like it, ad infinitum). That, well, basically is the definition of complaining and whining, and no-one likes whiners. SM feelings and what not withstanding, (concerning entertainment in) life is normally considered too short to keep focusing on things you don't like and find boring, when one could as well spend their time on things one does find interesting or fun to do. I find the apparently(?) uncontrollable tendency of some to show off how much they dislike something week after week, when they could and should just drop it then, far more alienating than someone who week after week says how much he likes it. Well, of course he keeps watching it, then; that's the whole point of seeking entertainment. And of course he's more prone to saying how much he likes it; that's because he DOES watch it every week, and that's the obvious consequence of and *because* he likes it.

In fact, if I had to compare the absurdity of continue to keep watching and complaining about something one doesn't like, instead of just dropping it and moving to something else, it would be someone enjoying a series and dropping it because he likes it so much and he has fun watching it. I dunno. Maybe such a person has a masochistic nature too? Could be. In any case, without external factors, it makes as much sense: next to none.

As for moderating systems; indeed, there are better ones. Personally, I like the system on slashdot: there, you can evaluate the posts yourself. The better they are genuinely appreciated by the community, the higher they get. You can then set your own level of what you want to see and what not. Those you don't care about, get immediately and automatically 'under your radar' and won't show up. It's a reasonable effective system, and lets a lot of options to the user/poster/reader. Simply put, you can auto-ignore crap posts. This wouldn't mitigate the making of such posts, of course, but at least it wouldn't bother anyone as well. I think it would not be appreciated by the ones seeking out provocation, however; nothing worse for a troll to be completely ignored, after all.

Frankly, I also suspect the amount of bashful one-liner posts would diminish sharply. Let's face it: most of those are there to clash with people not having the same opinion. Not debate. Clash. Very troll-like, thus. If all those posts would get ignored, the sheer amount of those posts would diminish as well, obviously, since that is their purpose; to seek confrontation. The more thoughtful posts still would surface, as most people recognise a worthwhile post from a nonsensical oneliner, be it positive or negative. It would be worthwhile to try something out like that.

AnimageNebyJun 30, 2014 12:59 AM

Jun 29, 2014 5:51 PM

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AnimageNeby said:
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You ever entertained the idea that people viewing the work as parody is actually a coping mechanism?

Jun 29, 2014 6:41 PM

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wrenchbread said:

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You ever entertained the idea that people viewing the work as parody is actually a coping mechanism?

But is that relevant?

Whether it's a coping mechanism, or a way to portray ones SM tendencies; the question remains whether the forum is meant for that.

Maybe there we differ in an essential way in our thoughts about it. I don't think this forum is here to give an outlet for your coping mechanism, or someone elses' MS-feelings, or yet another persons ADHD or a myriad of other of real or imagined psychological mechanisms and behaviours.

On itself, one could say: ah, why not? The main problem however is, if everyone keeps elevating the forum to his or her own playground of whatever mannerism or mechanism one personally fancies, communication - in the sense of establishing a worthwhile debate- is increasingly unlikely. It also derails a necessary common ground to start with, which is essential to any fruitful debate. If you're talking about the anime but not as the anime is, but as a personal ironic creation of your own volition and imagination, while I am not, it's sheer impossible to have a meaningful debate about it without huge misunderstandings. It maybe a coping mechanism for you, but what is a coping mechanism to you is an obscuritylayer to me.

The same goes for actual definitions of words and terminology. Imagine every person uses his own personally construed definition for each word: tower of Babel would ensue. That's why we have dictionaries and at least try for a common definition for all the words (at it often fails already as it is, without anyone adding to that with the idea that one could as well confabulate ones' own definitions for words).

The same goes for more broader, sociological groups (including forums). It's quite possible it's a coping mechanism for you. But surely you realise, for most of us, such a mechanism is not needed, nor expected? And if it's your intention to have a debate, isn't it more wise to adhere to the most commonly used perception of the anime - which is *without* an ironic coping mechanism? I mean, don't get me wrong: you have the right to use such a mechanism, certainly if it only pertains to and for yourself. And I think it would even be interesting to see what and how exactly you use it on this anime, and why. But, as a whole, when just wanting to debate something, its not recommended to have your own confabulations, ironic or otherwise, to try to engage someone else into a debate about the anime. Other people will have *the anime* in mind, not your ironic construction of it.

Which...is actually normal, since the forum is about the anime, and not a wilfully construed confabulation - out of a way to cope with it.

(Actually, I'm not sure what it is you want to cope with. If something is very bad and unwatchable, I just can say so (and drop it). What is there to cope? Only if, for some reason, you want to force yourself in watching it, do you (maybe) need a coping mechanism in the first place. I think. At least, I don't need such mechanism to enjoy something, since I only watch things I find enjoyable, when I seek entertainment, and I drop those I don't find enjoyable.)

Why is there a need to find a series you dislike likeable by using a mechanism that introduces an imaginary ironic construct of that anime, so that you then can find it passable? What's the use? You still wouldn't like the anime, but your own confabulation of it. And somewhere, you'd always realise that. And why do the effort in the first place. some anime is simple bad, or, at least, in a subjective stance, one finds it crap. There is nothing wrong with finding something crap and than dropping it. I never said that. In fact, I've done so many times myself, and it makes perfectly sense. I think it's far worse to not liking a series but keep watching it, complaining about it, using mechanisms to cope with it, etc.

I don't understand the need for all of that. If you think an anime is worthless, than it is what it is. I can understand disappointment, when one expected more of an anime than it actually delivered, ok. But not to a degree where I try to convince myself (or use any sort of mechanism) it's something it really ain't, and to continue to watch something I don't like to watch.

AnimageNebyJun 29, 2014 6:47 PM

Jun 29, 2014 6:43 PM

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AnimageNeby said:
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Just a simple question. I didn't expect a wall of text.

Now I think you're just twisting my words. There's a bit of self-deprecating humor with that question, so I'm not sure if you taking this too seriously.

Jun 29, 2014 7:08 PM

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wrenchbread said:

AnimageNeby said:
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Just a simple question. I didn't expect a wall of text.

Now I think you're just twisting my words. There's a bit of self-deprecating humor with that question, so I'm not sure if you taking this too seriously.

Ah, no, sorry, I thought you meant it as a serious question.

Only shows how rapidly people can misunderstand things, even if they don't give own interpretations in strange ways to everything. ;-)

Well, it was an interesting discussion, in a way, albeit a bit off-topic. But it's getting late.

Content (and more on topic) wise you can read my post to Asturaetus to have an inkling of an idea why I think the anime isn't all that bad. It's not 'great', true, but I think it's palatable. You'll maybe note that I'm not flag-waving like a little fangirl. ;-) I try to be balanced about it; denying it has some shortcomings is ludicrous. Saying it's completly worthless is hyperbole as well, however. I still enjoy it, and more than others that I first watched this season (like captain earth, which I dropped because I liked it less and less and it couldn't captivate me enough anymore).

Actually, except Sidonia and Mushi-shi, there were no anime this season which I would regard as 'great'. Doesn't mean I didn't find others mildly enjoyable though. Even GNL had its moments.

Oh yeah, and HxH had some very good moments too (an the ant arc was, overall, excellent). An astounding series, for a shounen, which takes many tropes only to turn them upside down - quite original. But I wouldn't call the series a 'this season' thing, since it's going on for a long, long time by now.

Jun 29, 2014 7:13 PM

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Holy cow, AnimageNeby, calm down.
If you don't want to see condescending posts about Mahouka, just ignore this thread and move on. Oh, and as a reminder, just because someone is pointing out the faults in every episode doesn't mean that he's a troll. Maybe, just maybe... those faults are so persistent and obvious that they show up in each episode's threads.

Im somewhat astounded - the fans are accused of circlejerking or echoing while at the same time I get the impression that all that the so called "critiques" ammount to - is also just this. Circlejerking. Getting of from spouting how much they don't like the show. Knowing that the vocal majority also doesn't like the show. Repeating unisono.

Circlejerk can only stop if everyone shuts up, so deal with it.

Jun 29, 2014 10:02 PM

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this and black bullet are the worse show this season, yet I'm watching both and haven't dropped them yet.. something is wrong with me.

Jun 29, 2014 10:09 PM

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ichii_1 said:
^ don't bother, they even admit their trolling sometimes (stupid huh? :D), when that happens just report them, that's what the button's for.

Lol saying the show sucks and stating things that didn't happen, twisting the scenes and dialogue too suit their agenda and they say they aren't trolling, hating and baiting ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) and when someone says something positive (see the previous threads) they attack them with their oxymoronic opinions as if they're facts

E.g. "their cheating in the competitions" hahaha the crimson prince just said first high's equipment is generations ahead of them, thanks to Tatsuya who is part of the school and using certain magic is allowed in different events but they (haters) cry "it doen't matter boo hoo hoo" like ******.

Some pics from the episode ;)
Honoka <3 being extra cute and hot this ep.

https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10427265_657646667644595_1216251969840356893_n.png
http://i.imgur.com/gAifxOU.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZRb4wNx.png
http://i.imgur.com/TD0mPOJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/1v5IGKS.png
http://i.imgur.com/4lkb8hq.png
http://i.imgur.com/169aNbx.png
http://i.imgur.com/nQo1d4L.png

i would actually find it funny if you were trolling, but realizing you're not, its kinda sad.

Jun 29, 2014 10:27 PM

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) if this were happening in the KNB forums then you wouldn't be saying this, would you? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

double standards :(

Jun 29, 2014 10:28 PM

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ichii_1 said:
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) if this were happening in the KNB forums then you wouldn't be saying this, would you? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

double standards :(

I'm not even a knb fanboy, nice try tho.

Jun 29, 2014 10:53 PM

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At the very least, it can't be considered normal behaviour, within the context of watching and commenting (and especially 'keep' watching and commenting something while you don't like it while one keeps saying one doesn't like it, ad infinitum).

Writing walls of texts about the people on an anime discussion board... This behavior doesn't seen very normal to me too. It's certainly off-topic, though. So back to being on topic.

Whelp, same old same old our Lord's the best, everyone else is insignificant.

Something about this show made it seem better than the other episodes, though. The lack of explanations? Don't think so... The music, perhaps. Also, quite liked the scene between Tatsuya and Miyuki, since it's about the only storyline I'd like to know about.

Jun 29, 2014 11:01 PM

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Honoka's popularity raised because of this episode, or maybe before one or two episodes.
Her crying face image someone posted up, does that counts as cute?
I don't know if that is an insult to a character.
Just my self conlusion though.

I'm sure after Tatsuya goes back to his school, how many more females becomes fangirls over him?
I'm looking forward to that.
Betting on how long Tatsuya can hold it in with his blank face, and what thought pattern he going to take is going to be interesting.
Oh yes, he does not want attention and also some misunderstanding going on with Miyuki.
Tatsuya, you might be thinking your popularity in First High might be going to a hinderance later on for your future plans.
No, maybe his popularity might spread in other magic schools as well.
Too bad that the popularity of Tatsuya in this forum also goes on whether he likes it or not.

rladls717Jun 29, 2014 11:11 PM

Jun 30, 2014 12:18 AM

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INFERRNOOOO

Jun 30, 2014 12:40 AM

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Without sounding like a little girl screaming "Are we there yet?" at the back of my moms car...can I just ask; is it going to get better now that we're in to second cour?

I feel like dropping this series and picking it up once its finished but since everyone in forum is saying that this arc is suppose to be where we get some 'action', I feel I should give the series the benefit of doubt and stick to it a lil more.

...so....are we there yet?

..this space under construction...

Jun 30, 2014 12:43 AM

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Pole_Dancer said:
Without sounding like a little girl screaming "Are we there yet?" at the back of my moms car...can I just ask; is it going to get better now that we're in to second cour?

I feel like dropping this series and picking it up once its finished but since everyone in forum is saying that this arc is suppose to be where we get some 'action', I feel I should give the series the benefit of doubt and stick to it a lil more.

...so....are we there yet?

I assume not since apparently the first scene of this anime was about the arc that follows suit after this. I guess Jesus is waging war on another nation (probbaly China) because they dared to mock his imouto then - given the social commentary of the series thus far this will only end in some nationalistic propaganda. I also doubt that the core problems of the writing - namely the lack of any suspense through the design of Tatsuya as an unfailable god and the exhausting exposition dump - will vanish soon, or at all.

NidhoeggrJun 30, 2014 12:48 AM

Steel Ball Run anime when?

Jun 30, 2014 1:15 AM

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h1k1k0m0r1 said:

At the very least, it can't be considered normal behaviour, within the context of watching and commenting (and especially 'keep' watching and commenting something while you don't like it while one keeps saying one doesn't like it, ad infinitum).

Writing walls of texts about the people on an anime discussion board... This behavior doesn't seen very normal to me too. It's certainly off-topic, though. So back to being on topic.

Whelp, same old same old our Lord's the best, everyone else is insignificant.

Something about this show made it seem better than the other episodes, though. The lack of explanations? Don't think so... The music, perhaps. Also, quite liked the scene between Tatsuya and Miyuki, since it's about the only storyline I'd like to know about.

Writing 'walls of text' is a natural consequence of wanting to debate something in depth. The fact you don't seem to realise this, well... leaves one wondering how many thoughtful debates you generally make.

You just can't get any of the finer nuances, thought-processes, line of reasoning and substantiation of ones' claims and conclusions with logical arguments in a one-liner. Whether you personally appreciate that, is something else, of course. But it is part of any debate worth its salt.

You are right about it being off-topic, however. I said so myself. In fact, your comment came after my post where I indicated it had been enough for that particular debate, and I referred to my post to Asturaetus.(http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1209649&show=180#msg32064371) to get on the more on-topic debate about the anime again (which you ignored). Feel free to respond to that, which is on-topic, then. (But don't complain about me going off-topic if you continue to do so as well).

Sourire said:
this and black bullet are the worse show this season, yet I'm watching both and haven't dropped them yet.. something is wrong with me.

I would imagine, then, that you still find it interesting enough to continue watching it. The appreciation of what constitutes 'the worst shows' this season is fairly subjective and thus can change individually, of course. But if you actually dislike it and find it boring as hell to watch, and yet you continue to watch it while you could as well watch or search for better things that DO entertain you, than your last conclusion is correct, indeed.

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Jun 30, 2014 1:44 AM

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Writing 'walls of text' is a natural consequence of wanting to debate something in depth.

Which has nothing to do about the show... Or is anything thoughtful.

(But don't complain about me going off-topic if you continue to do so as well).

I don't believe I continued to do so, since I began my thoughts after that complaint, starting from "whelp..." So I'm not quite sure what you mean...?

But this is going off-topic again, so.

Would be looking forward to the meeting between Ichijou and our Lord. Hopefully something interesting comes out of it.

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h1k1k0m0r1 said:

Writing 'walls of text' is a natural consequence of wanting to debate something in depth.

Which has nothing to do about the show... Or is anything thoughtful.

The first argument pertains to being off-topic or not, which I agreed with. It has no bearing on having 'walls of text' on itself, though.

I disagree with your last point. I thought it considerably thoughtful, of me as well as of wrenchbread. And I suspect he found it to be a rather thoughtful debate and exchange too. It may be you didn't find it thoughtful, but in a debate you only need two people, to be frank. Regardless of your appreciation, my former claim stands: the more in-depth you want to discuss something, the more elaborate your post will get, for the simple reason you need to incorporate more nuance, conclusions and arguments in it. There is no way you can explain your analysis or finer thought-processes in a meaningful way (aka, the what, when, where and why) with a oneliner. Period.

(But don't complain about me going off-topic if you continue to do so as well).

I don't believe I continued to do so, since I began my thoughts after that complaint, starting from "whelp..." So I'm not quite sure what you mean...?

Was your comment to me on topic, though? No it wasn't. So it was off-topic as well. (As is this one). There are no two ways about it. If discussing the anime directly is considered on topic and the rest off-topic, then not only my former 'walls of text' are off-topic, but also complaints about those walls of text.

That you continued in the same post with on-topic sentences too, does little to mitigate the fact that part of it was off-topic as well. If it would be that simple, adding a few words like 'Ah yes, and I liked the anime too!' would be enough to turn all my walls of text relevant and on-topic, and you wouldn't have complained, then? (fat chance). I'll do that right now: I think Myuiki is well drawn. There, I made this post on-topic now as well. Right?

But this is going off-topic again, so.

Indeed it is. So you seem to realise my former point.

But ok, let's hear your thoughts about the anime then. And while you're at it, show me how you can make a thought-provoking and mind-blowing in-depth analysis - or at least the 'what and why' of your reasoning and conclusions, substantiated by logical arguments - with a one-liner. That would be like striking two flies with one stroke.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying you feel inclined TO make such posts. I'm just pointing out it would be a nice way to show that it can be done, if your stance is, one doesn't need it for even a thoughtful, in-depth discussion.

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That you continued in the same post with on-topic sentences too, does little to mitigate the fact that part of it was off-topic as well. If it would be that simple, adding a few words like 'Ah yes, and I liked the anime too!' would be enough to turn all my walls of text relevant and on-topic, and you wouldn't have complained, then? (fat chance). I'll do that right now: I think Myuiki is well drawn. There, I made this post on-topic now as well. Right?

Ah, I see what you mean now. I was still confused about what you mean until you added this paragraph. No, it doesn't make the whole post on-topic, and neither does that line of yours make the whole wall of text on-topic, just that line itself. I guess we have different thoughts on how a post qualifies as "on-topic". You being the whole post having to qualify as on-topic (I think?), and me being only the part where, so long it's about what the thread is for, it's on-topic. Well, learned something new today.

if your stance is, one doesn't need it for even a thoughtful, in-depth discussion.

If it's about the anime, that's fine. But if it's about... Whether the people on the forum's behavior is normal or not, or about them... Or a thoughtful, in-depth discussion about which ramen brand is the best on an anime discussion thread, then... No, one doesn't need that thoughtful, in-depth discussion about it. There are other discussion boards/threads for that.

As for my thoughts on the anime? I believe I've said enough for this episode. Are they thought-provoking, mind-blowing in-depth analyses? No, and at least, I don't think so too, anyway.

Jun 30, 2014 2:49 AM

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The amount of crying about this show is enough to fill up an Olympic sized swimming pool.

Everybody hates Tatsuya just because he is perfect at everything. 85% of the people watching this show are acting just like Morisaki.

Glorious Titties Nuff Said!

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Jun 30, 2014 3:04 AM

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HungLikeaZombie said:
The amount of crying about this show is enough to fill up an Olympic sized swimming pool.

Everybody hates Tatsuya just because he is perfect at everything. 85% of the people watching this show are acting just like Morisaki.

So you mean we're supposed to like someone we couldn't like ? And the act of disliking him make us jerkasses ?
Thank you for reminding us about how the author view the world and society.

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h1k1k0m0r1 said:

That you continued in the same post with on-topic sentences too, does little to mitigate the fact that part of it was off-topic as well. If it would be that simple, adding a few words like 'Ah yes, and I liked the anime too!' would be enough to turn all my walls of text relevant and on-topic, and you wouldn't have complained, then? (fat chance). I'll do that right now: I think Myuiki is well drawn. There, I made this post on-topic now as well. Right?

Ah, I see what you mean now. I was still confused about what you mean until you added this paragraph. No, it doesn't make the whole post on-topic, and neither does that line of yours make the whole wall of text on-topic, just that line itself. I guess we have different thoughts on how a post qualifies as "on-topic". You being the whole post having to qualify as on-topic (I think?), and me being only the part where, so long it's about what the thread is for, it's on-topic. Well, learned something new today.

One would have to agree this would be a fully arbitrary decision and conclusion though. I would like to point out that you wrote a lot less too. So in comparison, one may wonder. You made 3 paragraphs in your original post to me, one pertaining to me and my walls of text. That's more than 30% of your post which is off-topic. Why would 30% be ok, but 90% not? It's rather self-serving to claim your level off-topicness is on-topic, but another ones' off-topicness remains off topic. Even worse, we've now continued this off-topic debate with 2-3 more posts, all largely off-topic. In your whole second post, you just added one sentence: "Would be looking forward to the meeting between Ichijou and our Lord." Let's be honest here; do you really think adding that one sentence made the post on-topic? And if you do, why isn't one sentence of mine? With your last one, I don't even find one reference to the actual anime back. Are you now going to claim mine are off-topic, but yours are not? Let's face it here; we're both debating with off-topic posts.

if your stance is, one doesn't need it for even a thoughtful, in-depth discussion.

If it's about the anime, that's fine. But if it's about... Whether the people on the forum's behavior is normal or not, or about them... Or a thoughtful, in-depth discussion about which ramen brand is the best on an anime discussion thread, then... No, one doesn't need that thoughtful, in-depth discussion about it. There are other discussion boards/threads for that.

As for my thoughts on the anime? I believe I've said enough for this episode. Are they thought-provoking, mind-blowing in-depth analyses? No, and at least, I don't think so too, anyway.

Well, at least you cleared that out, thanks. (I'm not being sarcastic). so basically, your gripes is with it being off-topic, not with it being walls of text. You obfuscated that point a bit by claiming it wasn't thoughtful at all. There is a difference between the two. Take your example of ramen. A thoughtful exposé and discussion of ramen may be off-topic, but it still would remain a thoughtful discussion. "Not needed' pertains to being off-topic or not, not about the fact whether or not it was thoughtful or walls of text are needed or not. I do agree - I'll say it once more - that the discussion was largely off-topic, since it was a meta-discussion about when and why people are complaining so much about this anime, even to the point of continuing to watch and complain about it, while at the same time saying they dislike it and find it boring. One can hardly deny there is something contradictory in that.

But, granted, off-topic. I have said so myself in my posts. But one has to be fair and intellectually honest as well, and acknowledge these posts of ours are off-topic as well. No rapid adding of a sentence at the end about the anime changes that. And if it does, it changes for everyone for every post.

I'll look up your posts and see what arguments you use. If I find it worthwhile (aka, not just spouting of mere opinions, since that doesn't lend itself for a fruitful debate) enough, I'll comment on it and give my thoughts about it. That would be our first 'on topic' debate here then. ;-) They don't need to be exceptional mind-blowing or in-depth, rest assured. That was more to question what I thought you implied, namely that elaborate posts are a nuisance and one does not need it to make a thoughtful in-depth discussion (to which I disagree, obviously). The thoughtfulness of a discussion doesn't dissipate with it being relevant to the topic, however, only the (level of) on-topicness is affected by that.

I'll have a look at your posts, now.

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Welp, aside from all the pure shitting and vitriol in a Mahouka thread seemingly as usual..

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That soundtrack during Miyuki's battle scene was amazing

I thought so too, anyone happen to know the name of it since I'm too lazy to look it up?

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Let's be honest here; do you really think adding that one sentence made the post on-topic? And if you do, why isn't one sentence mine?

No, it doesn't make the whole post on-topic, and neither does that line of yours make the whole wall of text on-topic, just that line itself.

I didn't think I needed to bold this line as well, but I guess I do. It's a little vague, my apologies. But what I mean is: that line of yours is on-topic, and the rest of your post is off-topic. Of course, many superfluous statements could then qualify this way as well, but regardless, it's still on-topic in it's barest bones.

That would be our first 'on topic' debate here then. ;-)

Unfortunately, I can't really care for a debate with you on this anime. If you do bring up something interesting, however, I shall reply.

Edit: the strike through

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h1k1k0m0r1 said:
As for my thoughts on the anime? I believe I've said enough for this episode. Are they thought-provoking, mind-blowing in-depth analyses? No, and at least, I don't think so too, anyway.

Ermm... h1k1k0m0r1? I'm not trying to claim you have been BS'ing here, but in all honesty, unless I'm mistaken (in which case, could you please provide me with the appropriate link?) I can't find any prior posts. You DID NOT even make ONE post about this episode in all the former pages?

I mean, c'mon. You claimed you don't need to say anything anymore about this episode because 'you said enough'... and you didn't make one post prior to you complaining about my walls of text?

Am I missing something here? Maybe you meant you argumented it elsewhere, in another thread of another another episode of the series?

Edit: ah, ok, it seems you can't be bothered having a discussion about it, or at least, you don't feel inclined to. I thought you might. But if you're not, I'm really not going to put the effort of searching for your posts in the other threads; it's just too bothersome for little use, then. I couldn't find any posts on this thread prior to our off-topic ones, sorry. I guess I misunderstood.

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and you didn't make one post prior to you complaining about my walls of text?

My thoughts in those two posts are precisely what I meant in "I believe I've said enough for this episode".

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and you didn't make one post prior to you complaining about my walls of text?

My thoughts in those two posts are precisely what I meant in "I believe I've said enough for this episode".

Ah, I see. Well...they are... I'll try to say it euphemistic; rather sparse on arguments or explanations for your line of reasoning.

I would dare to say they are proof, or at least a prime example, of what I said earlier: that you can't make a thoughtful post with one-liners. Basically, and I don't mean this as an offence, the few things you say about it doesn't really give anything to discus in any meaningful way. I mean there is almost nothing there that tries to substantiate anything you said, as your opinion.

I could try to deduce some things out of your very first post, mayhaps. The "Whelp, same old same old our Lord's the best, everyone else is insignificant." I think pertains to the OP-ness of the MC. Which I already addressed here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1209649&show=180#msg32064371 .

Then the fact you liked it better...because of the music, is the only substantiation I can distil out of it.
Ok.

That's about it.

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I would dare to say they are proof, or at least a prime example, of what I said earlier: that you can't make a thoughtful post with one-liners.

Glad you found your proof.

I didn't think one-liners could make thoughtful discussions, though. ...and didn't think my posts were anything more than my opinion too, as somewhat implied in a post of mine.

Jun 30, 2014 4:08 AM

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It was actually a pretty interesting episode, for a first in long time. I'm anticipating the next episode which is pretty much a a good thing.

I wonder what Third High might try tro pull.

Is it just me, or the plot is slowly picking up?

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h1k1k0m0r1 said:

I would dare to say they are proof, or at least a prime example, of what I said earlier: that you can't make a thoughtful post with one-liners.

Glad you found your proof.

I didn't think one-liners could make thoughtful discussions, though. ...and didn't think my posts were anything more than my opinion too, as somewhat implied in a post of mine.

Ok, fair enough. But when you said "I've said enough" - certainly seen the context we were discussing, namely about the thoughtfulness of posts - I thought you meant you made enough posts of that kind, so didn't bother to repeat all the things you already said in them. I was interested enough for what you had to say to actually search the whole thread through looking for those posts. ;-p

I thought it rather straightforward that, when I asked about your thoughts about the anime, I meant in a more profound way, as we had been discussing that very topic. Maybe I didn't express myself very well, there. Or otherwise, you might just have said you didn't make those kind of posts, instead of saying you said enough of it.

Because, it seems you agree your current posts don't have arguments, nor any substantiation of/for your lines of thought about the anime, etc.. They are, indeed, mostly just a statement of a mere opinion. All opinions, as such, are equal, however. So that doesn't lend itself for a an in-depth post or a thoughtful discussion, indeed.

If you ever make a post where you put some more effort into, let me know, I'm really curious and interested in what you have to say about it - in a more detailed way, I mean.

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It was actually a pretty interesting episode, for a first in long time. I'm anticipating the next episode which is pretty much a a good thing.

I wonder what Third High might try tro pull.

Is it just me, or the plot is slowly picking up?

Ah yes, the plot. I think so too, though some already complain about it. If it's terrorists, they complain. If they're suicide-bombers they complain. If they're bookkeepers, they complain.

In all honesty, while antagonists are 'cooler' when they are terrorists, I find it more down to earth and more realistic that a bunch of bookkeepies who are on the brink of losing millions, would try to rig the contest. Yes, even send people to the clinic, and yes, even kill them off. I mean, what? One thinks this does not happen? I doubt we're talking about legal bets here. It's illegal. It's the mob. These sort of things happen today, still, in real life, with any major sport/game/competition. Look at the WC football. Wasn't' there a Chinese recently who committed suicide because he couldn't pay his debts, and they threatened to break his legs and knock on the door of his parents etc. for the money?

The more money they are going to loose, the more drastic they will become. It's fairly realistic and makes more sense than terrorists that fall out of the blue sky. Of course, those are still present too. If and what the link is or will be (or not), remains to be seen. A bit of mystery isn't bad.

Also, the plot picks up because of the introduction of the guys (especially the two main) of third high. they have established that class/school have brains too, now. Previously, they established the main antagonist of Third High had lightening fast reflexes and had a powerful amount of magic. This should appease those that always complained about a lack of suspense. (Not that I think many will do, since I think with some, it's never good).

Take the MC speech about how the CADs and magic works in previous episodes. Many complainers where insistantly whining about 'too much talk' and 'they spoil it with all that mumbo jumbo', etc. Now that the MC has vastly reduced the explanation of things, we see complaints that the MC 'only shows' it, and almost doesn't explain the working anymore.

It's clear you can't do good for everyone, and in this case, with some, the anime can't ever do anything good, whatever they do.

Personally, I liked the explanations of the MC about those things*. Thus, I find it a pity it's been reduced. But I'm well aware if he would pick it up again next episode, again complainers would complain he's talking too much and they don't need all that explanation. Rince, repeat.

*The reason for that is, it helps establish and further develops the worldbuilding process. We are in an alternate world, after all. You need details and explanations to fill in the blanks and get a better understanding, and a better 'living' world where the characters are set in. This in turn helps the believability of that world, and thus the level of involvement you can feel. The more something is detailed and coherent, the more that world comes alive.

Jun 30, 2014 9:24 AM

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Lol Morisaki you sad sad individual. Just accept your lord and savior Shiba Tatsuya already, as should some of you who hate Tatsuya for just being a total BOSS. There are enough anime out there with pathetic MCs already. Let's have fun for once :)

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Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Lol Morisaki you sad sad individual. Just accept your lord and savior Shiba Tatsuya already, as should some of you who hate Tatsuya for just being a total BOSS. There are enough anime out there with pathetic MCs already. Let's have fun for once :)

The problem is not he's competent. Which is NOT ACTUALLY A BAD THING. But the hate for him comes from the fact that ONLY HE IS. Something need to be done ? Tatsuya's here. Someone need to take a beating ? No worry, Mr.T will do that. He can freaking tell the PROFESSIONAL MEDICS WHAT TO DO. He invented flying magic, by which a lot of genius researchers STRUGGLE TO DO THAT.
What we see in the anime is that the world revolve AROUND Tat. If you're not Mr.T, you're either his fan or his enemy. His fan would be more special than normal people themselves, and his enemy ? Just look at how Blanche and No-Head Drags fare until now.
Btw, I like Saitama and Alucard.

Jun 30, 2014 9:42 AM

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Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Lol Morisaki you sad sad individual. Just accept your lord and savior Shiba Tatsuya already, as should some of you who hate Tatsuya for just being a total BOSS. There are enough anime out there with pathetic MCs already. Let's have fun for once :)

Were it so easy.

http://youtu.be/MMu3DdkeJH4

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To those people who hate Shiba and Miyuki's relationship. I personally like the bro-sis relationship Tatsuya and Miyuki have, because I understand the dynamics of their relationship and the reasons behind it.

And so, to those people whining at the bro-sis lovey-dovey relationship, please read my summary before passing judgment about it.

Jun 30, 2014 9:58 AM

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trannon1 said:
To those people who hate Shiba and Miyuki's relationship. I personally like the bro-sis relationship Tatsuya and Miyuki have, because I understand the dynamics of their relationship and the reasons behind it.

And so, to those people whining at the bro-sis lovey-dovey relationship, please read my summary before passing judgment about it.

That merely fills in the blanks and doesn't change my opinion of it. Someone already made a comment on that whole thing, so rather than parrot it I'm just gonna paste it here:

Jun 30, 2014 10:23 AM

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trannon1 said:
To those people who hate Shiba and Miyuki's relationship. I personally like the bro-sis relationship Tatsuya and Miyuki have, because I understand the dynamics of their relationship and the reasons behind it.

And so, to those people whining at the bro-sis lovey-dovey relationship, please read my summary before passing judgment about it.

But they still look like Gary Stu and his worshipper.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Jun 30, 2014 10:36 AM

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wrenchbread said:

trannon1 said:
To those people who hate Shiba and Miyuki's relationship. I personally like the bro-sis relationship Tatsuya and Miyuki have, because I understand the dynamics of their relationship and the reasons behind it.

And so, to those people whining at the bro-sis lovey-dovey relationship, please read my summary before passing judgment about it.

That merely fills in the blanks and doesn't change my opinion of it. Someone already made a comment on that whole thing, so rather than parrot it I'm just gonna paste it here:

Here is my answer to you. I pulled some direct quotes from the light novel as evidence.

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Here is my answer to you. I pulled some direct quotes from the light novel as evidence.

Like I said, you're only filling in the blanks, rather with a summary this time, you decided to use excerpts from the LN itself. It doesn't change my opinion of anything. No matter how many sprinkles you add this turd, it's still a turd underneath.

What is there to refute? You're basically saying "I'm right because this is what the LN says," which is not a way to pose an argument, especially since the LN's explanation isn't necessarily a good one. How am I supposed to refute the actual text? It's not like I can say the text is lying. What you're using is circular logic, which is a logical fallacy. In the end, I'm not sure what your argument even is. The reasons feel more like a confirmation for what we already suspected rather than a good justification. LN readers kept saying that there’s a good reason for why Miyuki acts the way she does and then I read it and go “OK, Miyuki really likes her brother and she now likes him even more and decides to dedicate herself to him. That’s it?” Why’s everyone treating it as if it’s some super secret special sauce thing that will absolve the work of any criticism thus far? Saying Miyuki's the ball and chain for Tatsuya is merely an expansion on her devotion; why is she so devoted -> because she thinks of herself as dragging Tatsuya down. Not a good argument.

Considering how seriously the work takes itself, I’m surprised it doesn’t take the angle that Miyuki might be mentally ill, but Satou decides to play it up and ignore the implications of such a relationship. This isn’t the first work of its kind to employ this sort of technique and honestly has been done better elsewhere. I'd like to throw in FMA’s Hawkeye-Mustang relationship as also something to emulate. The problem I have is that we’re told this rather than shown clearly from the beginning. By the time they reveal it to us, it’s too little, too late. Nanana did a better job showing us what the MC is really like there, because it showed it to us early when the piqued interest was freshest in our mind.

Honestly, the relationship between the two is just as simple as written but with more flowery words padding the length;

It all feels so fake and over the top.

EDIT: Missed a part in your spoiler.

>I notice you did not say anything at all about Tatsuya's side of the story.

What's there to say? I don't feel bad enough for him to make a comment. Yes, he does need a partner, someone who can guide him, scold him when necessarily, an equal, but Miyuki feels like a poorly done extension of Tatsuya. He also needs a foil, a moral antagonist, an actual mentor (no, Yakumo doesn't count, Kazama is getting there). Dude needs a lot of things.

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Jun 30, 2014 11:32 AM

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wrenchbread said:

trannon1 said:

Here is my answer to you. I pulled some direct quotes from the light novel as evidence.

Like I said, you're only filling in the blanks, rather with a summary this time, you decided to use excerpts from the LN itself. It doesn't change my opinion of anything. No matter how many sprinkles you add this turd, it's still a turd underneath.

What is there to refute? You're basically saying "I'm right because this is what the LN says," which is not a way to pose an argument, especially since the LN's explanation isn't necessarily a good one. How am I supposed to refute the actual text? It's not like I can say the text is lying. What you're using is circular logic, which is a logical fallacy. In the end, I'm not sure what your argument even is. The reasons feel more like a confirmation for what we already suspected rather than a good justification. LN readers kept saying that there’s a good reason for why Miyuki acts the way she does and then I read it and go “OK, Miyuki really likes her brother and she now likes him even more and decides to dedicate herself to him. That’s it?” Why’s everyone treating it as if it’s some super secret special sauce thing that will absolve the work of any criticism thus far? Saying Miyuki's the ball and chain for Tatsuya is merely an expansion on her devotion; why is she so devoted -> because she thinks of herself as dragging Tatsuya down. Not a good argument.

Considering how seriously the work takes itself, I’m surprised it doesn’t take the angle that Miyuki might be mentally ill, but Satou decides to play it up and ignore the implications of such a relationship. This isn’t the first work of its kind to employ this sort of technique and honestly has been done better elsewhere. I'd like to throw in FMA’s Hawkeye-Mustang relationship as also something to emulate. The problem I have is that we’re told this rather than shown clearly from the beginning. By the time they reveal it to us, it’s too little, too late. Nanana did a better job showing us what the MC is really like there, because it showed it to us early when the piqued interest was freshest in our mind.

Honestly, the relationship between the two is just as simple as written but with more flowery words padding the length;

It all feels so fake and over the top.

1) I used the text as evidence to supplement my OPINIONS. I used the text to show that the reasons for their attachments are not as shallow as you think they are. I never asked you to refute the text itself.

2)Can you give an example of "This isn’t the first work of its kind to employ this sort of technique and honestly has been done better elsewhere"?

3) When I wrote REFUTE, I meant arguing your own point. Also, 'your arguments are all geared towards Miyuki's reasons and you didn't criticize Tatsuya's reasons even once' was the point I was trying to make with that sentence.

4) I wasn't sure if you knew this but Miyuki's relationships to people tend to be superficial. Her parents are useless as parents. Her extended family wants her to be the new heir because of her powers and do not leave her with any choices whatsoever. Her classmates are attracted to her beauty and grace and magic, and just about nothing else. Her brother is one of the few people who truly cherishes her for what she is.

Actually, I think better stop spamming the board as of right now. We can agree to disagree. Nice arguments btw.

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trannon1 said:

1) I used the text as evidence to supplement my OPINIONS. I used the text to show that the reasons for their attachments are not as shallow as you think they are. I never asked you to refute the text itself.

You should've made it clear. I wish I was psychic, but unfortunately, I'm not. It still boils down to the above.
And that's not how you argue. It's circular logic. Supplementing your opinions is different from supporting them. I never said it was shallow, that wasn't even my argument in the first place. I said it wasn't a good justification, especially since it's so over the top that Miyuki comes off as mentally ill and Tatsuya just rolls with it. My question is, why is that? I'm more into the Doylist school of thought when analyzing literature, if that helps with your next response, as the Watsonian answer is not useful because it doesn’t say anything meaningful. Just that it is. It’s still shallow because the basic idea still holds.

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2)Can you give an example of "This isn’t the first work of its kind to employ this sort of technique and honestly has been done better elsewhere"?

Well, there's already Attack on Titan in my first reply, the one I gave in the second reply was from Fullmetal Alchemist, Kaoru/Kenshin and Hiko/Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, Koinzell and Ato from Ubel Blatt, Bonnie MacFarlane and John Marston from Red Dead Redemption, etc. Point is, in all those cases, just because someone saved you, doesn’t mean you give your entire being of existence to that person. Would you? If that’s the case, that’s a sign of some bigger mental problems. No matter how you slice it, this isn’t a realistic situation (which is contradictory to how self-serious the work is), but yet some people keep trying to peddle it as such, just because the LN says so.

trannon1 said:

3) When I wrote REFUTE, I meant arguing your own point. Also, 'your arguments are all geared towards Miyuki's reasons and you didn't criticize Tatsuya's reasons even once' was the point I was trying to make with that sentence.

Tatsuya doesn’t reciprocate Miyuki’s feelings. As far as I’m concerned this is a one-sided love on Miyuki’s part, so all the emotional flow is from Miyuki. Love in this form is inherently irrational. And that whole keeping only the love for his sibling is such a contrivance, just so the author can reinforce the incest pandering.

trannon1 said:

4) I wasn't sure if you knew this but Miyuki's relationships to people tend to be superficial. Her parents are useless as parents. Her extended family wants her to be the new heir because of her powers and do not leave her with any choices whatsoever. Her classmates are attracted to her beauty and grace and magic, and just about nothing else. Her brother is one of the few people who truly cherishes her for what she is.

What she is, isn't much, to be fair. We don't know what Miyuki's convictions are. How she views the world, what she thinks of the current Bloom/Weed system, etc. She barely thinks for herself.

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HungLikeaZombie said:
The amount of crying about this show is enough to fill up an Olympic sized swimming pool.

Everybody hates Tatsuya just because he is perfect at everything. 85% of the people watching this show are acting just like Morisaki.

So you mean we're supposed to like someone we couldn't like ? And the act of disliking him make us jerkasses ?
Thank you for reminding us about how the author view the world and society.

I never said you had to like Tatsuya, but I think everybody should, or somewhat respect him. ex) When I was in my senior year in High School, we had a kid named Steven who was a guy that Started in Varsity Football, Basketball, and Baseball to a point. he was also VP of the student counsel. He never once flung his status in anybody's face, and always talked to everybody. Heck me and him talked a lot in our classes. Even I was a little jealous at times, but he was a respectable guy, and a role model to look up too.

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Jun 30, 2014 1:58 PM

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HungLikeaZombie said:
I never said you had to like Tatsuya, but I think everybody should, or somewhat respect him. ex) When I was in my senior year in High School, we had a kid named Steven who was a guy that Started in Varsity Football, Basketball, and Baseball to a point. he was also VP of the student counsel. He never once flung his status in anybody's face, and always talked to everybody. Heck me and him talked a lot in our classes. Even I was a little jealous at times, but he was a respectable guy, and a role model to look up too.

Why anyone should respect him? Tatsuya is just poor developed Gary Stu, who acts on the edge of his world boundaries and almost everyone who oppose him is presented as a retard.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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HungLikeaZombie said:
I never said you had to like Tatsuya, but I think everybody should, or somewhat respect him. ex) When I was in my senior year in High School, we had a kid named Steven who was a guy that Started in Varsity Football, Basketball, and Baseball to a point. he was also VP of the student counsel. He never once flung his status in anybody's face, and always talked to everybody. Heck me and him talked a lot in our classes. Even I was a little jealous at times, but he was a respectable guy, and a role model to look up too.

Why anyone should respect him? Tatsuya is just poor developed Gary Stu, who acts on the edge of his world boundaries and almost everyone who oppose him is presented as a retard.

I don't respect this objectivist ubermensch. He's uncompromising in his beliefs, and does what he wishes with disregard to others. He's doesn't have what you call good character. Respecting him would be like respecting a hurricane. Why would you?

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You people are digressing, both sides are right. True he his a respectful badass black horse protagonist but it's also true that the anime ain't doing justice to him, it's the "editors" fault for not making him what he should be in the first place.

Jun 30, 2014 4:38 PM

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Snaita said:
You people are digressing, both sides are right. True he his a respectful badass black horse protagonist but it's also true that the anime ain't doing justice to him, it's the "editors" fault for not making him what he should be in the first place.

Nope, he is just another lame wish fulfilment. Even OP characters can be developed well, but Tatsuya certainly isn't.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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wrenchbread said:

jakkubus said:

Why anyone should respect him? Tatsuya is just poor developed Gary Stu, who acts on the edge of his world boundaries and almost everyone who oppose him is presented as a retard.

Respecting him would be like respecting a hurricane. Why would you?

I'm sorry. I would assume you would respect a hurricane, and take shelter from it. Also the same concept can be said about Tatsuya. Hence nobody can even touch this guy. Why go into a fight you cant win? his skills are 3x more powerful than what anybody has ever seen.

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Jun 30, 2014 5:10 PM

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HungLikeaZombie said:

I'm sorry. I would assume you would respect a hurricane, and take shelter from it. Also the same concept can be said about Tatsuya. Hence nobody can even touch this guy. Why go into a fight you cant win? his skills are 3x more powerful than what anybody has ever seen.

I fear hurricanes, therefore I will take shelter from them. Why would you feel admiration for a hurricane? I see no reason to respect them as they are just a force of nature. It doesn't feel, doesn't think, it doesn't care about what you think of it, it merely is.

Jun 30, 2014 5:26 PM

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