bippo said: Not just Amazon though, Animate and Tora no Ana also went out of stock. But then as Ejc said, there is likely to be more Valvrave stocked than OreGairu.lmao at yahari. So this amazon out of stock shit is just a small amount. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| BD Top 100 is now out. Source: http://www3.atchs.jp/test/read.cgi/urisure/1358138075/55 Love Live! 1~3 got decent boosts! :) Hope it can pull numbers like that in this week's Top 100 chart! Crime Edge 1 sells extremely low as feared. GaruPan SE 3 and 4 do end up selling much less as expected. GaruPan 3~5 continue to chart! Chu2koi! 6 manages to squeeze a few more! 2013/07/01付 BDTOP100 (集計期間：06/17～06/23) New entries: 21 -- *2,100 **2,100 *1 Maoyuu Maou Yuusha 4 22 -- *2,027 **2,027 *1 DEVIL SURVIVOR2 the ANIMATION 1 24 -- *1,880 **1,880 *1 Karneval 2 25 -- *1,795 **6,605 *6 Gundam Zeta Memorial Box Part.Ⅱ 27 *4 *1,626 379,333 *9 Eva 3.33 28 -- *1,568 **1,568 *1 Yamato Gekijou-ban 32 -- *1,143 **1,143 *1 Hakkenden: Touhou Hakken Ibun 4 35 -- *1,009 **6,267 *7 Gundam Zeta Memorial Box Part.Ⅰ 37 -- **,911 ***,911 *1 KamiHaji 7 38 18 **,866 *18,307 *4 Love Live! 3 41 25 **,722 *20,612 *9 Love Live! 2 47 31 **,637 *29,320 14 Love Live! 1 48 -- **,629 ***,629 *1 GaruPan Standard Edition 3 50 -- **,615 ***,615 *1 Shinsekai Yori 8 52 -- **,559 ***,559 *1 GaruPan Standard Edition 4 53 13 **,536 *25,739 *4 Yamato2199 5 57 -- **,501 ***,501 *1 Kurogane no Linebarrel Blu-ray BOX 58 32 **,492 *34,918 *4 GaruPan 5 65 -- **,410 ***,410 *1 Hiiro no Kakera Second Season 6 68 -- **,379 ***,379 *1 Saint Seiya Ω 11 72 -- **,346 ***,346 *1 Crime Edge 1 82 -- **,293 ***,293 *1 Code:Breaker 07 84 37 **,281 *25,321 *5 SAO 8 88 50 **,261 *35,259 14 GaruPan 3 91 35 **,248 *11,308 *5 009 RE:CYBORG Deluxe Edition 92 90 **,244 *35,776 *9 GaruPan 4 94 70 **,239 *12,820 *6 Chu2koi! 6 95 36 **,232 **5,386 *5 009 RE:CYBORG Regular Edition 97 -- **,221 ***,221 *1 Gundam SEED DESTINY HD Remaster Blu-ray BOX 1 99 24 **,214 *14,627 *4 JoJo Vol.5 Blu-ray 100(*,211) |
EjcJun 27, 2013 8:06 AM
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| So many GirlPan and Love Live !! 346 ?? 346 ??!! 346 ???!!!??? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: 346 ?? 346 ??!! 346 ???!!!??? I was really overly optimistic about Crime Edge. That's gotta be one of the biggest overestimates on Stalker right? |
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symbv said: You need that on a Crime Edge strangulation screen shot... Poor Kiri and Iwai...So many GirlPan and Love Live !! 346 ?? 346 ??!! 346 ???!!!??? |
| Updated 2013 Spring Preliminary First Volume Sales Key: Total - # Weeks Charted - Title - Format ranked - Release Date 17,940 *1 Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai. [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/19 ------ 10,000 Line ------ *8,906 *3 Karneval [BD+DVD]: 2013/05/28 *5,072 *3 Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W [BD+DVD]: 2013/05/31 *4,162 *2 Yondemasuyo, Azazel-san. Z [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/05 *3,960 *1 Devil Survivor 2 the Animation [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/19 *3,155 *1 Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/21 ---- Manabi Line (2899) ---- *2,813 *3 Yuyushiki [BD]: 2013/05/29 **,346 *1 Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/19 **,*** ** Arata Kangatari [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/21 (not yet on sale or sales data not yet available) Uta no Prince sama Maji Love 2000% [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Bride [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Namiuchigiwa no Muromi-san [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Yahari Ore no Seishun LoveKome wa Machigatteiru [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Kakumeiki Valvrave [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/26 Date A Live [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/28 RDG Red Data Girl [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/28 PhotoKano [BD+DVD]: 2013/06/28 Hatarakou Maou-sama! [BD+DVD]: 2013/07/03 Shingeki no Kyojin [BD+DVD]: 2013/07/17 Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S [BD+DVD]: 2013/07/24 Zettai Bouei Leviathan [BD+DVD]:2013/07/24 Aku no Hana [BD+DVD]: 2013/07/26 Mushibugyou [BD+DVD]: 2013/07/26 Aiura [BD]: 2013/08/07 Suisei no Gargantia [BD Box]: 2013/08/28 Ejc said: Remember when we talked, I was being pessimistic and put the cap as around 600 or so because it ranked lower than Shinsekai Yori? Boy was I in fact being wildly optimistic !! Now I can't help thinking perhaps the mysterious drop was reflecting the reality and all the climbs before and after that drop were some kind of fakes...symbv said: I was really overly optimistic about Crime Edge. That's gotta be one of the biggest overestimates on Stalker right?346 ?? 346 ??!! 346 ???!!!??? |
symbvJun 27, 2013 8:12 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| 346, wow that's indeed very low for a decent title. Crime Edge may take the title of worst sale in Spring season instead of Aku no Hana. |
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symbv said: Ejc said: Remember when we talked, I was being pessimistic and put the cap as around 600 or so because it ranked lower than Shinsekai Yori? Boy was I in fact being wildly optimistic !! Now I can't help thinking perhaps the mysterious drop was reflecting the reality and all the climbs before and after that drop were some kind of fakes...symbv said: I was really overly optimistic about Crime Edge. That's gotta be one of the biggest overestimates on Stalker right?346 ?? 346 ??!! 346 ???!!!??? Probably Crime Edge fell victim to well timed troll preorders, which spawned from trolling Aku no Hana... or Crime Edge suffered an unprecedented amount of cancellations for some reason. |
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| And Arata Kangatari didn't rank at all? I am not surprised, I dropped it during the first episode... |
ThangLong said: Hmmm I suppose you already saw the post I have just made --- look at Arata Kangatari...346, wow that's indeed very low for a decent title. Crime Edge may take the title of worst sale in Spring season instead of Aku no Hana. hpulley said: I lasted longer -- dropped after 4th episode. And this is the only anime out of the 28 I followed in this season that I dropped...And Arata Kangatari didn't rank at all? I am not surprised, I dropped it during the first episode... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: And Arata Kangatari didn't rank at all? I am not surprised, I dropped it during the first episode... Oh, now that you mentioned it, I did not notice that Arata did not even rank. In fact, the anime slips through my radar this entire time. It looks quite nice, how comes? symbv said: ThangLong said: Hmmm I suppose you already saw the post I have just made --- look at Arata Kangatari...346, wow that's indeed very low for a decent title. Crime Edge may take the title of worst sale in Spring season instead of Aku no Hana. Yea, I just saw that :p |
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Ejc said: My take is the first reason may be closer to the reality as I did not see any particularly bad feedback for the series throughout the season. It also has not turned into an "air anime" where attention just slipped away and nobody talked about it any more -- from what I see there are quite a lot of attention and watching souls up till the end of the series.Probably Crime Edge fell victim to well timed troll preorders, which spawned from trolling Aku no Hana... or Crime Edge suffered an unprecedented amount of cancellations for some reason. Looking at the discrepancy between Stalker and actual first week sales, Stalker does not do that bad (I put +/-20% as quite good for an estimation) OreImo2 : Stalker 21.6 Actual 17.9 -17% Karneval : Stalker 6.3 Actual 7.3 +16% Azazel2 : Stalker 4.7 Actual 3.8 -19% Nyaruko2 : Stalker 3.4 Actual 4.4 +29% Devil Survivor 2 : Stalker 3.4 Actual 4.0 +18% MJP : Stalker 3.0 Actual 3.2 +10% Yuyushiki : Stalker 1.5 Actual 2.2 +47% But here we have Crime Edge : Stalker 3.0 Actual 0.3 -90% !!!! Something definitely has gone very wrong... |
symbvJun 27, 2013 8:38 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Ejc said: My take is the first reason may be closer to the reality as I did not see any particularly bad feedback for the series throughout the season. Probably Crime Edge fell victim to well timed troll preorders, which spawned from trolling Aku no Hana... or Crime Edge suffered an unprecedented amount of cancellations for some reason. Looking at the discrepancy between Stalker and actual first week sales, Stalker does not do that bad (I put +/-20% as quite good for an estimation) OreImo2 : Stalker 21.6 Actual 17.9 -17% Karneval : Stalker 6.3 Actual 7.3 +16% Azazel2 : Stalker 4.7 Actual 3.8 -19% Nyaruko2 : Stalker 3.4 Actual 4.4 +29% Devil Survivor 2 : Stalker 3.4 Actual 4.0 +18% MJP : Stalker 3.0 Actual 3.2 +10% Yuyushiki : Stalker 1.5 Actual 2.2 +47% But here we have Crime Edge : Stalker 3.0 Actual 0.3 -90% !!!! Something definitely has gone very wrong... LOL 90% damn. Those trolls did a very good job in causing such a discrepancy. Quite annoying for us that follow sales in trying to interpret Stalker data, but now I worry for some of the Stalker predictions this season. I can't remember which anime were suspected to have also fell victim to preorder trolls... but there were quite a few this season. |
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| Speaking of crime edge, anyone know if it's split-cour? At the end of the last ep there were scenes of what appeared to be season 2. I wonder how that works after it bombed so hard o.O |
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Ejc said: Hmmm.. I can't really think of any though. Distortion for SnK, OreImo2 and particularly Railgun2 would be due to their spell on #1. Otherwise I could only think of Aku no Hana (and perhaps one or two other titles around that time) but the spike was much much briefer and I would not think it has done any lasting damage to the Stalker estimate. If this unprecedented off-the-scale miss for Crime Edge was really some troll job, that means those people have now found a systematic and sustainable way of fooling with the Amazon order system. The blip in Aku no Hana's case may have been caused by just a few clicks of huge fake orders, but to produce the illusion of Crime Edge at continuously high places, it needs some sustained effort in placing fake orders. Perhaps those people actually wrote a robot program to place those fake orders and cancel them day in day out....I can't remember which anime were suspected to have also fell victim to preorder trolls... but there were quite a few this season. Yvese said: Actually reactions of fans in Japan (before this catastrophic result was out) is that the staff seemed to just give up and decide to cram all the 2nd season into the last 2 minutes or so of the last episode. It is as if they knew there is little chance of a 2nd season but they still want to tell watchers that there are quite a bit of story still ahead...Speaking of crime edge, anyone know if it's split-cour? At the end of the last ep there were scenes of what appeared to be season 2. I wonder how that works after it bombed so hard o.O |
symbvJun 27, 2013 11:50 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Aww. That's pretty sad if that's the case.Yvese said: Actually reactions of fans in Japan (before this catastrophic result was out) is that the staff seemed to just give up and decide to cram all the 2nd season into the last 2 minutes or so of the last episode. It is as if they knew there is little chance of a 2nd season but they still want to tell watchers that there are quite a bit of story still ahead...Speaking of crime edge, anyone know if it's split-cour? At the end of the last ep there were scenes of what appeared to be season 2. I wonder how that works after it bombed so hard o.O |
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symbv said: If this unprecedented off-the-scale miss for Crime Edge was really some troll job, that means those people have now found a systematic and sustainable way of fooling with the Amazon order system. The blip in Aku no Hana's case may have been caused by just a few clicks of huge fake orders, but to produce the illusion of Crime Edge at continuously high places, it needs some sustained effort in placing fake orders. Perhaps those people actually wrote a robot program to place those fake orders and cancel them day in day out.... People would just need to have an anime ranking relatively high each day... since apparently the Stalker points accumulated each day is based on the average ranking on that particular day. Yes, i'd think someone must've written a computer program to place fake orders and cancel them, then place them over and over again. I'd wonder if they wrote it to occur periodically or something more random for the time interval? I'd imagine Amazon should have a system that detects robot-like behaviour, though... |
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Ejc said: yeah, average ranking means the place needs to be sustained continuously at a high position. My fear is that any group that uses a robot program to mess up the estimate of Crime Edge can do it to any anime in future including those that get a lot of attention.People would just need to have an anime ranking relatively high each day... since apparently the Stalker points accumulated each day is based on the average ranking on that particular day. Ejc said: I do hope so. Of course Amazon may not think it is as urgent as we think because the title that is affected (Crime Edge) was not at any particularly high position even at its peak, although I surely hope they do not think this way. I'd imagine Amazon should have a system that detects robot-like behaviour, though... That said, I wonder how an online retailer can do? If there is an order coming in, surely it will take its order? Perhaps it can detect the IP address of repeated cancellations and bar the access from that IP address? |
symbvJun 27, 2013 9:42 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: The trouble is that amazon does not let you add things to current orders so I commonly add all the items from an order to my shopping basket, add my new items, try to post the order in case any of the items are now unavailable and if it works, I post that order and cancel my original order. I don't do it daily but some items I may order and cancel several times. If they kick me out for cancelling 20 orders then they will lose a customer who orders too much for his own good... I don't see how they could do this unless they add a new "edit order" function so I don't have to cancel. I wish they would do this!...That said, I wonder how an online retailer can do? If there is an order coming in, surely it will take its order? Perhaps it can detect the IP address of repeated cancellations and bar the access from that IP address? |
| That kind of trolling should be illegal, that can destroy the reputation of both retailers and studios. |
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| Interesting speculation about the robot program I would say. In fact, all might have been a conspiracy to test a manipulating software on low sale anime like Crime Edge and AnK, so that no one would notice the difference. When proven successful, attackers can move to bigger targets, messing up the expectation of popular anime. This is a kind of corporate espionage that we hear so much about :D ...Or maybe it's just some kids wanna mess up 2chan sale thread :) |
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Hoppy said: That kind of trolling should be illegal, that can destroy the reputation of both retailers and studios. I don't see how it would really destroy their reputations, given that these for the most part aren't based off the reliability of their rankings. But it might cause problems in other ways. After all, a lot of publishing companies use preorder figures to gauge roughly how successful a series is, as well as how many copies to make, etc., before the actual release date. If the number of preorders is fluctuating erratically because of some trolls, then the company loses viable and useful data to help with its own operation. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| I can't help but think that BD cover hurt Crime Edge. Having the main heroine violated with an ahegao face wasn't a good idea at all. |
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jmal said: RyanSaotome said: I can't help but think that BD cover hurt Crime Edge. Having the main heroine violated with an ahegao face wasn't a good idea at all. What evidence is there in the rankings for that though? I would guess that sort of thing would impact store sales more than online retailers. But anyway, I doubt that would have more than a marginal impact. |
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RyanSaotome said: I can't help but think that BD cover hurt Crime Edge. Having the main heroine violated with an ahegao face wasn't a good idea at all. Lol tbh, in Japan, I would think that the cover helped sales. Obviously this would censored the crap out of in the US. But this is Japan we're talking about here. |
| Oreimo sold really well, time to pick it upi |
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hpulley said: Precisely. That is why I think despite my desire for Amazon to do something about it I cannot come up with any good idea of how such troll orders can be stopped. If they kick me out for cancelling 20 orders then they will lose a customer who orders too much for his own good... I don't see how they could do this unless they add a new "edit order" function so I don't have to cancel. I wish they would do this! jmal said: My fear is Crime Edge was just picked as testing ground, and there may be some more serious manipulation for bigger items in future...Also seriously Why Crime Edge, man that's such a bizarre choice. RyanSaotome said: While this may or may not be a factor, it is better to elaborate any evidence that supports it as a credible reason for the poor sales. For example, did we see a drop in its ranking after the cover art was announced? As far as I know, this does not seem to be the case.I can't help but think that BD cover hurt Crime Edge. Having the main heroine violated with an ahegao face wasn't a good idea at all. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| On the bright side, if this Crime Edge thing is just a troll, it could be fun in the future trying to figure out which show is the troll ranking show of the season. |
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| ^ Selling just half of Shinsekai Yori or Fractale is really shocking - I mean, the attention that this show got, at least in terms of report by anime sites and chatting level in forums like 2ch, is definitely more than those 2 shows. 2ch could only go back and find Nekokami Yaoyorozu for a comparable anime (one of the three "imploded sales" Kami anime in 2011 Summer). Personally I would make a guess of 1-2k for its sales, and 0.3k is really really really low. RyanSaotome said: But much less fun in tracing the ranking and the estimate as we will be plunged in darkness about the actual sales prospect of an anime. The more uncertainty the less we can talk about analysis instead of pure speculation.On the bright side, if this Crime Edge thing is just a troll, it could be fun in the future trying to figure out which show is the troll ranking show of the season. |
symbvJun 27, 2013 11:56 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: Honestly I think Crime Edge only selling ~300 copies is probably more amazing to me than the wild overestimation. I mean no, I definitely didn't expect it to sell much but it takes a downright magical kind of disaster to flop that hard these days. Only a handful of shows a year fail to hit the 1k mark. Granted it still outsold Arata Kangatari. I guess here's that. Or did it? Arata Kangatari is a very DVD-heavy title, and the requirement to rank on DVD is 429, which is thus a fair bit higher than Crime Edge's sales. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| I'm kind of curious if anyone has confirmed what cause the massive spike in OreGairu preorders on Amazon. I know the last episode was pretty popular, but the spike only seemed to happen on release date which contradicts everything I thought I understood about these things since that's usually when orders start to go down isn't it? Can anyone confirm if it was just a shortage leading people to rush to Amazon to make the order thus driving up it's rank. Regarding Valvrave I can't help but have this sinking feeling that it's going to perform well below what Sunrise/Aniplex is probably expecting which is above the 10K mark. That show has a lot of 1 and 2 star reviews and seems to have earned the Japanese fanbases ire (albeit not anywhere near to the extent it has over here in North America though to say that Valvrave actually "earned" North America's ire so much as it was bestowed upon it would be a failure to properly describe the circumstances I think) so I just don't see it being the hit I know the production committee wants. It won't do terrible, just won't meet their goal. I kind of predict 5,000 for volume 1 at best, just a hunch. Starting to think Sunrise might have to rethink it's strategies for it's TV mecha anime as that would make two in a row after Gundam AGE that just don't seem to have reached the audience I know is there for this sort of thing. They're an ambitious and tenacious company, I know they can figure something out as long as the fanbase in Japan hasn't totally turned against them, which judging by the average above 10K/Vol sales of their shows doesn't seem to be the case at all. |
PeacingOutJun 27, 2013 7:37 PM
| Doesn't the first volume of OreGairu contain one ep + a new LN + soundtrack? It's also priced lower than a typical BD release. Pretty appealing for V1. I'd be more interested in how much of a drop V2 gets. EDIT: Then again V2 has an event ticket. Guess we'll have to wait for V3. |
YveseJun 27, 2013 10:19 PM
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Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm kind of curious if anyone has confirmed what cause the massive spike in OreGairu preorders on Amazon. I know the last episode was pretty popular, but the spike only seemed to happen on release date which contradicts everything I thought I understood about these things since that's usually when orders start to go down isn't it? Can anyone confirm if it was just a shortage leading people to rush to Amazon to make the order thus driving up it's rank. The most likely explanation symbv and I came up with, was that OreGairu managed to attract casual buyers who wanted to buy v1 at stores but found out it was gone from the shelves. With the fear of missing out on the "limited editions" (but we of course know that they rarely run out unless you're GaruPan v1/2 or something), they rushed over to an alternative such as Amazon/HMV and placed orders in. Back then... Amazon was showing, "Temporarily out of stock", but it could still be ordered for now. Perhaps it was also fear from missing out in the later volumes that made these casual buyers to buy out v2~7 as well, thereby driving up all the volumes at Amazon. |
EjcJun 27, 2013 10:58 PM
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Ejc said: On top of what Ejc said, if you want to see the details of the discussions between me and Ejc, you can check http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=620879&show=100#msg23031585 and the few posts after it, and also http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=620879&show=120#msg23048031Kaioshin_Sama said: The most likely explanation symbv and I came up with, was that OreGairu managed to attract casual buyers who wanted to buy v1 at stores but found out it was gone from the shelves.I'm kind of curious if anyone has confirmed what cause the massive spike in OreGairu preorders on Amazon. I know the last episode was pretty popular, but the spike only seemed to happen on release date which contradicts everything I thought I understood about these things since that's usually when orders start to go down isn't it? Can anyone confirm if it was just a shortage leading people to rush to Amazon to make the order thus driving up it's rank. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oricon Daily Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for June 27. DVD Daily *24 *25 *26 *27 *28 *29 *30 週 *** *** *** **1 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Limited Edition *** *** *** **2 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Regular Edition *** **2 **1 **4 *** *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 *** *** *** **6 *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 6 *** **9 **9 *14 *** *** *** | -- | Hetalia The Beautiful World 2 *** *12 *10 *16 *** *** *** | -- | SAO 9 *** *** *** *17 *** *** *** | -- | Shirokuma Cafe 12 *** *** *** *19 *** *** *** | -- | Date A Live Limited Edition 1 *** *** *** *27 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *** *** *29 *** *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *20 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | Magi 7 *** *19 *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 *** *29 *21 *** *** *** *** | -- | AMNESIA 4 *** *21 *28 *** *** *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** *28 *29 *** *** *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 7 *15 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *18 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotonoha no Niwa *21 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 2 BD Daily *24 *25 *26 *27 *28 *29 *30 週 *** *** *** **1 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Limited Edition *** *** *** **2 *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 6 *** *** *** **3 *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Regular Edition *** *** *** **4 *** *** *** | -- | Date A Live 1 *** **1 **1 **5 *** *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 *** **2 **2 **6 *** *** *** | -- | SAO 9 *** *** *** **7 *** *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *** *** **9 *** *** *** | -- | Smile Precure 4 *** **3 **4 *10 *** *** *** | -- | Gurren Lagann Complete Box *** **8 **9 *11 *** *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** *** *** *13 *** *** *** | -- | Rozen Maiden BOX 2 *** *** *** *14 *** *** *** | -- | Photokano 1 *** **6 **6 *15 *** *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 7 *** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *** *** *17 *** *** *** | -- | Da Capo III 4 *** *** *** *18 *** *** *** | -- | Mondaiji 4 *** *10 **7 *19 *** *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 **5 *** *10 *20 *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 4 *** *17 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | HenNeko. 1 *** *11 *13 *** *** *** *** | -- | ViviPan 4 *** *16 *16 *** *** *** *** | -- | Namiuchugiwa no Muromi-san 1 *** **7 *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | Index Box **4 *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 6 *** *15 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Minami-ke Tadaima 4 *** *18 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Black Lagoon Box *** *19 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yuyushiki 2 **7 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotonoha no Niwa **8 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | OreImo. 1 **9 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Chu2koi! 7 *10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | PSYCHO-PASS 7 *11 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Gundam SEED DESTINY HD Remastered BOX 1 *12 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *13 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 2 *16 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Berserk Ougon Jidai-hen III *17 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 3 *19 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 *20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Majestic Prince 1 |
EjcJun 28, 2013 3:48 AM
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| Only 2 out of the 20 BDs in the daily chart are non-anime !!! And DATE A LIVE !!!!! (insert Origami here lol lol) Now I notice I made a critical mistake in my Stalker analysis for Date A Live in my earlier writing. I said the final estimate of Date A Live as 5.2k but I forgot in Amazon there are two versions of the BD: the Amazon "limited editon" and the standard "limited edition" and I counted only the former. Take the standard edition into account as well (with estimate of 1.6) the actual total of Stalker estimate of BD/DVD for Date A Live is 6.8k -- this makes its position in today's chart more understandable. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Only 2 out of the 20 BDs in the daily chart are non-anime !!! Imagine a day with all 20 of them anime, lol. symbv said: Now I notice I made a critical mistake in my Stalker analysis for Date A Live in my earlier writing. I said the final estimate of Date A Live as 5.2k but I forgot in Amazon there are two versions of the BD: the Amazon "limited editon" and the standard "limited edition" and I counted only the former. Take the standard edition into account as well (with estimate of 1.6) the actual total of Stalker estimate of BD/DVD for Date A Live is 6.8k -- this makes its position in today's chart more understandable. Yeah I was wondering about its position as well. The image I looked at for the rankings today it just had「デート・ア・ライブ Blu-ray 第1巻」, so Amazon must've just reported the total of both editions to Oricon. |
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| Now I notice there may be another victim of large scale troll orders.... Where is Samurai Bride vol.1 ??? The stalker estimate totals 2.3k and it was released on 26th, but where is it in the rankings??? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Now I notice there may be another victim of large scale troll orders.... Where is Samurai Bride vol.1 ??? The stalker estimate totals 2.3k and it was released on 26th, but where is it in the rankings??? I don't think we should jump to conclusions here. Yuyushiki 2 was expected to rank above it per the Stalker points for the BDs. Yuyushiki 2 didn't rank on the 26th which means Sumarai Bride had to be stronger on storefront to rank I would expect. Then the new June 28 releases drowned out most of the "weaker" June 26 releases. We have to look at the last 3 days of rankings before we make a conclusion here. With Crime Edge last week, it was I guess supposed to be "obvious" when it ranked below Shinsekai Yori 8 last week. EDIT: Although it can be entirely possible it has also suffered troll preorders... it's just less obvious because Yuyushiki 2 is a much stronger title than Shinsekai Yori 8 ever was. |
EjcJun 28, 2013 4:14 AM
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| ^ The reason why I suspect something fishy is because in terms of BD stalker points, Photokano is very close to Samurai Bride - 1.8k vs 1.7k, and both are even similar in its type of appeal - both have fan service galore from a big cast of girls, and yet here we see Photokano at #14 today while Samurai Bride is nowhere to be seen for all the 3 days it has been out.. Hmmm... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ^ The reason why I suspect something fishy is because in terms of BD stalker points, Photokano is very close to Samurai Bride - 1.8k vs 1.7k, and both are even similar in its type of appeal - both have fan service galore from a big cast of girls, and yet here we see Photokano at #14 today while Samurai Bride is nowhere to be seen for all the 3 days it has been out.. Hmmm... Yes, but they are both on different release days. I don't think we can compare Sumarai Bride and Photokano directly. It may just be that the BD ranking threshold for the Top 20 on June 27 is a lot lower than it was on June 25 for the June 26 releases. Most of Sumarai Bride's sales would've been on June 25 & 26 I suspect. |
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| Samurai Bride 1 is in stock at amazon :) Another drop for me this season which is surprising as I love ecchi oppai but it was just too much of some things and not enough of a lot of things to hold my interest. Oppai alone is not enough... The ink splat stickers look fun though LOL |
| ^ Well, in the first season I did not buy the BD despite I love the character design and the sumi ink style of sakuga because of the lousy ending and too much space spent on "plot" which was not particularly engaging or interesting. At least all these problems are gone in this season and I also like the new characters (and the voice acting). It is one series that I am itching of buying.... Ejc said: I hope you are right. You sound as optimistic as when we talked about Crime Edge. It did not turn out well last time, but I surely hope you are right this time.Yes, but they are both on different release days. I don't think we can compare Sumarai Bride and Photokano directly. It may just be that the BD ranking threshold for the Top 20 on June 27 is a lot lower than it was on June 25 for the June 26 releases. Most of Sumarai Bride's sales would've been on June 25 & 26 I suspect. |
symbvJun 28, 2013 4:23 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Ejc said: I hope you are right. You sound as optimistic as when we talked about Crime Edge. It did not turn out well last time, but I surely hope you are right this time.Yes, but they are both on different release days. I don't think we can compare Sumarai Bride and Photokano directly. It may just be that the BD ranking threshold for the Top 20 on June 27 is a lot lower than it was on June 25 for the June 26 releases. Most of Sumarai Bride's sales would've been on June 25 & 26 I suspect. I do hope so, lol... or then the trolls would've had another victory here. I dunno... the scale is just bigger this time (since Yuyushiki 2 and Shinsekai Yori 8 are good points to consider for last week and now this week) but you may be right to be pessimistic here again. We'll see next Thursday. I just hope this doesn't happen almost every week. These damn suspected trolls have had a field day this season. |
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| From 2ch Sales thread (where people post their haul and get saluted by the fellows in the thread), DATE A LIVE !!  And this guy is an even bigger splasher on Date A Live |
symbvJun 28, 2013 4:40 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Oricon Daily Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for June 28. DVD Daily *24 *25 *26 *27 *28 *29 *30 週 *** *** *** **1 **1 *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Limited Edition *** *** *** **2 **2 *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Regular Edition *** **2 **1 **4 **4 *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 *** *12 *10 *16 *11 *** *** | -- | SAO 9 *** **9 **9 *14 *12 *** *** | -- | Hetalia The Beautiful World 2 *** *** *** **6 *18 *** *** | -- | JoJo 6 *** *** *** *19 *20 *** *** | -- | Date A Live 1 *** *20 *17 *** *26 *** *** | -- | Magi 7 *** *** *** *17 *** *** *** | -- | Shirokuma Cafe 12 *** *** *** *27 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *** *** *29 *** *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *19 *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 *** *29 *21 *** *** *** *** | -- | AMNESIA 4 *** *21 *28 *** *** *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** *28 *29 *** *** *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 7 *15 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *18 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotonoha no Niwa *21 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 2 BD Daily *24 *25 *26 *27 *28 *29 *30 週 *** *** *** **1 **1 *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Limited Edition *** *** *** **3 **2 *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE Film Z Regular Edition *** **1 **1 **5 **3 *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 *** *** *** **4 **5 *** *** | -- | Date A Live 1 *** *** *** **2 **6 *** *** | -- | JoJo 6 *** **2 **2 **6 **7 *** *** | -- | SAO 9 *** **8 **9 *11 **8 *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** **6 **6 *15 **9 *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 7 *** *** *** **7 *10 *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *11 *13 *** *11 *** *** | -- | ViviPan 4 *** *** *** *17 *12 *** *** | -- | Da Capo III 4 **5 *** *10 *20 *14 *** *** | -- | Love Live! 4 *** *10 **7 *19 *16 *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 *** **3 **4 *10 *17 *** *** | -- | Gurren Lagann Complete Box *** *16 *16 *** *18 *** *** | -- | Namiuchugiwa no Muromi-san 1 *** *15 *** *** *19 *** *** | -- | Minami-ke Tadaima 4 *** *** *** *18 *20 *** *** | -- | Mondaiji 4 *** *** *** **9 *** *** *** | -- | Smile Precure 4 *** *** *** *13 *** *** *** | -- | Rozen Maiden BOX 2 *** *** *** *14 *** *** *** | -- | Photokano 1 *** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *17 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | HenNeko. 1 *** **7 *18 *** *** *** *** | -- | Index Box **4 *** *19 *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 6 *** *18 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Black Lagoon Box *** *19 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yuyushiki 2 **7 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotonoha no Niwa **8 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | OreImo. 1 **9 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Chu2koi! 7 *10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | PSYCHO-PASS 7 *11 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Gundam SEED DESTINY HD Remastered BOX 1 *12 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33 *13 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 2 *16 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Berserk Ougon Jidai-hen III *17 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 3 *19 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 2 *20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Majestic Prince 1 |
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*** **1 **1 **5 **3 *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 I fear for HenNeko...*** *** *** **4 **5 *** *** | -- | Date A Live 1 *** **8 **9 *11 **8 *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** *** *** **7 *10 *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *10 **7 *19 *16 *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 *** *16 *16 *** *18 *** *** | -- | Namiuchugiwa no Muromi-san 1 *** *** *** *14 *** *** *** | -- | Photokano 1 *** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *17 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | HenNeko. 1 |
symbvJun 29, 2013 3:20 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: *** **1 **1 **5 **3 *** *** | -- | UtaPri 2000% 1 I fear for HenNeko...*** *** *** **4 **5 *** *** | -- | Date A Live 1 *** **8 **9 *11 **8 *** *** | -- | OreGairu. 1 *** *** *** **7 *10 *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 2 *** *10 **7 *19 *16 *** *** | -- | Valvrave 1 *** *16 *16 *** *18 *** *** | -- | Namiuchugiwa no Muromi-san 1 *** *** *** *14 *** *** *** | -- | Photokano 1 *** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Red Data Girl 1 *** *17 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | HenNeko. 1 Yeah, doesn't HenNeko. have 2 versions of the BD? I didn't see the ranking picture on those days that HenNeko. ranked... so I have no idea if it was reported as one to Oricon. 1.3k and 5.4k on Stalker for the different versions. EDIT: Maybe it's the special one that ranked. It'd make sense according to the Stalker points, as it has Valvrave above it (5.9k vs 5.4k). It now makes it seem like HenNeko. was overestimated based on the daily ranks. |
EjcJun 29, 2013 3:28 AM
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