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| Oh god the drama in this episode was completely unbearable, I usually like drama but here it just feels really forced, and the stiff animation and mediocre directing definitely aren't helping. |
GilgameshuuJun 22, 2021 12:36 AM
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| this anime lost track since episode 3 |
Alex796 said: Is it only me who didn't like this resolution? I don't subscribe to the "blood is thicker than water" thing. I, with my western POV, hoped that after Yoshida stopped himself from throwing the glass of juice at her, he'd tell Sayu something like: "let's go back home." and she'd reply: "Hai" tearfully. But now, she's gonna stay in that awful house until she graduates from high school!? It's preposterous... I don't think nobody should take s--- like that. Not even from parents. Maybe a lot of people here never really saw stuff like that in real life, but I saw. There are plenty of people out there - millions upon millions - who cut their parents off for stuff just like that. I completely agree with you! This was such a Japanese approach to take to things. Sayu and Yoshida need each other. Seeing them hold hands is so heartwarming. How are they just going to leave each other now?! |
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loki-23 said: Doubt it.It would certainly open up a case against Yoshida. Then upon investigations, many (including some of those who took advantage of Sayu's helplessness i.e underage 'sex-scandals') would be exposed in the process of finding evidence against Yoshida. Overall, it would be an intense, highly emotional endeavor. Do you know why 95% of the homeless are men? Because frankly, women who face homelessness do exactly what Sayu did. They either get a boyfriend they can shack with, or resort to sex work. It's unfortunate, but that's reality. And it happens worldwide, not a Japanese phenomenon at all. Sex for living can hardly qualify as a violation of the law, and Sayu is above age of consent. (Yes, my dear Americans. In most of the world, that age is 15/16). PrincessPorcupin said: Yes, it really is a very Japanese way of wrapping things up. Very painful to look at, for western audiences.I completely agree with you! This was such a Japanese approach to take to things. Sayu and Yoshida need each other. Seeing them hold hands is so heartwarming. How are they just going to leave each other now?! I was actually hoping for a proposal or something, to resolve the legal custody issues. Sayu can marry, since she's over 16. And I think too that they need each other and any ending where they would not end up together in, would be a waste. |
loki-23 said: nightcrawlercyp said: It is extremely debatable if that was the original meaning. That being said if someone is unworthy parent it can lose its rights and so if it is an unworthy child. Not necessarily. If he sues her for custody on basis of being unfit parent in regular court (not family court) with the testimony from her brother he might actually win It would certainly open up a case against Yoshida. Then upon investigations, many (including some of those who took advantage of Sayu's helplessness i.e underage 'sex-scandals') would be exposed in the process of finding evidence against Yoshida. Overall, it would be an intense, highly emotional endeavor. I do not think is a problem for Yoshida, but I am unsure if Sayu could handle the emotional stress Alex796 said: loki-23 said: Doubt it.It would certainly open up a case against Yoshida. Then upon investigations, many (including some of those who took advantage of Sayu's helplessness i.e underage 'sex-scandals') would be exposed in the process of finding evidence against Yoshida. Overall, it would be an intense, highly emotional endeavor. Do you know why 95% of the homeless are men? Because frankly, women who face homelessness do exactly what Sayu did. They either get a boyfriend they can shack with, or resort to sex work. It's unfortunate, but that's reality. And it happens worldwide, not a Japanese phenomenon at all. Sex for living can hardly qualify as a violation of the law, and Sayu is above age of consent. (Yes, my dear Americans. In most of the world, that age is 15/16). PrincessPorcupin said: Yes, it really is a very Japanese way of wrapping things up. Very painful to look at, for western audiences.I completely agree with you! This was such a Japanese approach to take to things. Sayu and Yoshida need each other. Seeing them hold hands is so heartwarming. How are they just going to leave each other now?! I was actually hoping for a proposal or something, to resolve the legal custody issues. Sayu can marry, since she's over 16. And I think too that they need each other and any ending where they would not end up together in, would be a waste. Is 15/16 for women because this when they finish puberty is 17/19 for men though. And age of consent is a bit loosely used here. Depending on circumstances it may be 15/16 or 18 . For instance if the girl is going to marry the guy it is 15/16 but generally need a guardian's consent. Is a bit more complicated |
nightcrawlercyp said: For all practical purposes, a 16 year old can pretty much sleep with anyone they want. There are some exceptions in place, but I don't think they're enforced anywhere. Because these things are very hard to prove - like grooming, for instance. Unless that teen grew up in a cult, no cop or judge is gonna go for an adult like Yoshida or Sayu's previous partners for grooming or false promises of marriage.Is 15/16 for women because this when they finish puberty is 17/19 for men though. And age of consent is a bit loosely used here. Depending on circumstances it may be 15/16 or 18 . For instance if the girl is going to marry the guy it is 15/16 but generally need a guardian's consent. Is a bit more complicated As for the marriage, I agree that it's a bit tricky. The parental consent is in place only to give the parent a veto in case they might suspect that their child was groomed. But in Sayu's specific case, her mom is such a POS that I think she would just be like: "here's my stamp and signature. Now GTFO and don't ever come back!" or something similar. Unless she's truly a narcissist, she would probably just send Sayu her own way. |
Alex796 said: Yes, it really is a very Japanese way of wrapping things up. Very painful to look at, for western audiences. I was actually hoping for a proposal or something, to resolve the legal custody issues. Sayu can marry, since she's over 16. And I think too that they need each other and any ending where they would not end up together in, would be a waste. I agree. I mean, I do think that while Sayu is very mature in some ways (moreso than Gotou and that other girl) in several aspects, she is still very immature in others (as is normal - she's a teenager, after all), so I do think they would need time to grow a healthy romance, but considering the circumstance, Sayu would be much better off just getting married, and then letting their relationship progress normally (the same as though they hadn't gotten married). This woman is a basket case and it's a terrible idea to leave Sayu with her. I hate that Japanese only care about shame and "trouble" and appearances, and everyone's mental health is fucked. And this reflects on real life in Japan, so I don't think the drama was fake at all. |
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| Kneel down and everything is solved, chadsida saves the day again. |
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| Man, everytime Sayu's mother spoke in the first half of the episode was fucking grating. She's clearly mentally ill as well, she's unfit to be a mother. Props to the Mom's va though damn, but she seriously needs a psychiatrist or something. Let's see how the show will end. |
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| This is the funniest episode of this anime so far. The writing of this romance complex anime is beyond my understanding. The yoshida drinking scene is a meme potential |
PrincessPorcupin said: These were my thoughts exactly. Although I am for marrying older, I'm not categorically opposed to marrying very young. I believe it can work in certain cases, and Yoshida & Sayu do look like a very sweet couple. One of the cases where this could work. And as for Sayu, marriage is definitely her best option. Because her mother is openly an enemy and her brother can't fully protect her. People like her just end up being taken advantage of over and over. This marriage could literally "change her fate/fortune" - like the Japanese like to say so much.I agree. I mean, I do think that while Sayu is very mature in some ways (moreso than Gotou and that other girl) in several aspects, she is still very immature in others (as is normal - she's a teenager, after all), so I do think they would need time to grow a healthy romance, but considering the circumstance, Sayu would be much better off just getting married, and then letting their relationship progress normally (the same as though they hadn't gotten married). This woman is a basket case and it's a terrible idea to leave Sayu with her. I hate that Japanese only care about shame and "trouble" and appearances, and everyone's mental health is fucked. And this reflects on real life in Japan, so I don't think the drama was fake at all. Another aspect in this anime that was also quite shocking about Japan to me, is how everyone acted so shocked when they heard that Yoshida took a teenage girl in without sexual favors in return. Because the Japanese don't have these christian values like helping the poor and charity. I even remember reading somewhere that while people in America and European countries on average donate to charity a lot as a percentage of their income, the Japanese just don't do that. So NGOs and charities are virtually non-existent over there, there is little aid people like Sayu... :'( |
Farabeuf said: The reaction of the mother was so over the top that it felt unnatural. Even if you're furious at your daughter, you don't blow up like that in front of a complete stranger. I wouldn't be surprised if someone with a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder tried that without second thought. |
UkRs said:  Is this even the sem anime from the first few episodes? The writing has gotten down the gutter.. characters have become cringey.. i know about toxic mothers but this is just unrealistic.. Sayu's mother has to be retarded to be even remotely act like that.. . Yoshida's englightment of "children do not get to choose their parents" is COMMON KNOWLEDGE.. dude just spouted a few nonsense and everyone went into awe.. . What even is this BS? just one more episode.. this anime had so much potential.. and now its become trash I hope when she gets old, her children will stop caring for her and just ditch her instead of helping and caring for her every time she needs help, She should receive the karma for her past behaviour of child abuse. I remember my grandma used to tell me and my mother a story about how someone she knew (probably neighbour/child of her friend) abandoned his/her parent and the reason, past history of child abuse. What comes around goes around mate and remember, karma is real and it just the matter of time you will face your your judgement for the bad karma you made in the past |
| yoo sayu mom's tsundere AF !!! yoshida is truly a good man LMAO .. but sadly what happen if sayu tell her past after leaveing home and sleep with many man LOL |
| In other words, once Sayu graduates she should drop this POS of a mother and start a life on her own RIGHT AWAY! This was a blood-boiling episode. Kids with such POS parents end up as psychos or commit suicide... Sayu's lucky she has Yoshida. |
| I don't like the way he/they resolved this problem. It was pathetic. I know Japanese culture and would never do dogeza towards such a person. She deserves a more physical solution if you know what I mean. Yeah dogeza has impact, but should not be used toward someone who is 100% wrong and is not willing to help. A normal 45 degree bow with logical explanation would be way better to convince her. Now she will only threat Sayu as a pest and not talk with her. Actually Sayu was close to what should be done. In this episode she acted way better than previous ones. |
| (づ￣ ³￣)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´｡✪ω✪｡｀) I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;) |
| I don't know how to feel. Yes, the sadness almost makes me tears up but the pacing in this episode kinda messes up a bit. + the inconsistency in their expression (animation-wise) especially Sayu's mom really confuses me imo. there's a time when she looked a bit cool down. I thought she is beginning to realize. but no, she stills mad as hell. It's not the worst. I'm still enjoying it up until this point. knktzvra said: It was weird how Mom's face was potrayed when she slapped Sayu, going from Oni to serious in one sec. Also her behavior when they talked, it was either unrealistic or a really messed up ill. Omg yes, I thought the same! her face in "oni mode" kinda reminds me of some kind of JRPG bosses lmao. |
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| Don't worry Yoshida-san I will watch next week. No need to beg! |
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Darkcolo said: LordSozin said: This episode says it all: This show is nothing but forced drama, cringe writing, bad handling of its themes, illogical presentation, and utter insulting to my intelligence. The anime has decreased in writing value ever since the rapist shit happened. Before then, it was at least watchable. I can't wait to tear this shit show apart. >Forced drama >Icon and signature of Oregairu lel One is natural and developed logically. I don't know how you watch or read Oregairu and coming out of it thinking as forced. And comparing Oregairu to this garbage is pretty insulting, don't you think? People really be talking nonsense. |
LordSozinJun 22, 2021 7:42 AM
| At this point i don't think this show is trying to be taken seriously. A 14yo would have written something better than this. |
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| I'll admit, as someone who thought this show was trash from the start, I'm having a lot of fun seeing everyone finally turn on it. Now all that's left is to see if the ending will go full Usagi Drop on us and complete the circle of bullshit. |
| This anime is bad! I hate every second of watching it! There are no realistic characters. The mom hates Sayu for no reason. “You don’t know how much she has taken away from me!” like what? The anime has shown nothing for us to even get an idea of what she is talking about (don’t respond with the dad shit either). Why is it that Sayu’s brother never even stood up to the mom about her treatment of Sayu? He’s a grown-ass man and he just shuts up while his mom mentally abuses Sayu in front of her. Yoshida was about to assault her mom what she said to Sayu?? What the fuck??? There’s no way that a person with such irrational hatred like her would listen to a complete stranger that almost threw a glass at her about how she should treat her daughter. But then again, the writer probably has never interacted with another human being. 1 more episode until I’m done! Let’s get it! |
Blue_MaroonJun 22, 2021 6:04 PM
| Sayu's mother is a monster, can't really blame Yoshida for wanting to throw his drink in her face. But level-headedness wins here, because that could easily be an assault charge, along with the fact he's been housing Sayu for months. I think due to the lack of fleshing out the relationship between Sayu and her Mother, and the lack of backstory of why Say's Mother is like this in the first place really hurts the emotional impact from this episode. If things were more expanded upon, this would've been a lot more powerful. We only really ever got one flashback between Sayu and her mother. I think an entire episode should have been dedicated to fleshing out their story and how it got this bad between them. I think some people have sort of missed what Yoshida was talking about. Yoshida is fully aware that the law is on the mother's side. He has no right to take Sayu. He could certainly report child abuse, but that would be as far as he could go. But at the same time, I believe he clearly wants Sayu and her Mother to reconcile. No parent should ever say that about their child. The way Sayu was treated caused her to run away to begin with. And Yoshida wants that relationship back to normal soo Sayu can live a normal life. There's going to have to be a big showdown in the last episode for this relationship to get back on the right track. Also, what about Yoshida's relationship issues? Will we ever get back to that? The last episode has a lot of stuff to cover and tie up. |
takkun_Jun 22, 2021 6:15 PM
| As the levels of ridiculousness keep increasing, my rating keeps lowering. I really feel sorry for Sayu for the family she got stuck with... An absent piece of shit father, a mentally unstable heartless bitch mother and a dumb wimp brother. Yoshida's endless internal monologue was so annoying... Especially since he ended up saying something so obvious. Like basically "You're her mama. A child can't survive without her parents. You have to protect her" and they're both in awe like "woah shit I never thought about that :O"... Can't wait for them to find out that "The Archer class really is made up of archers", it's gonna blow their minds. Also, asking her mother to "please raise her" was like... No. She has abused her child for as long as she has lived, you can clearly see how much hatred she's got, she didn't give a flying fuck about her daughter's safety for a whole 6 months, she only cared about her own reputation, and you're asking this monster to take care of her? Nah, fam. But of course... The talk-no-jutsu is stronger than years of a mental illness and psychological/verbal abuse. Blue_Maroon said: This anime is bad! I hate every second of watching it! There are no realistic characters. The mom hates Sayu for no reason. “You don’t know how much she has taken away from me!” like what? The anime has shown nothing for us to even get an idea of what she is talking about (don’t respond with the dad shit either). Why is it that Sayu’s brother never even stood up to the mom about her treatment of Sayu? He’s a grown-ass man and he just shuts up while his mom mentally abuses Sayu in front of her. Yoshida was about to assault her mom what she said to Sayu?? What the fuck??? There’s no way that a person with such irrational hatred like her would listen to a complete stranger that almost threw a glass at her about how she should treat her daughter. But then again, the writer probably has never interacted with another human being. 1 more episode until I’m done! Let’s get it! Completely agree. I don't know why I don't see more people talking about her brother, cause he's part of the problem as well. Even at the beginning, when her mother slapped her and he stepped in I thought he was gonna defend her and at least tell her not to hit her, but no, what was his concern? "Mom, stop, we've got a guest". |
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| well they definitely wanted to make sayu's mom a horrible person and succeeded. still wishy washy on how she lashed out in front of a stranger, but then does what he wants when he got on his knees. seriously tho what the fuck is up with her brother? he just goes on with everyone, mom says shut up he shuts up, yoshida begs he begs, why're you even here lmfao |
CthulhusBFF said: Farabeuf said: The reaction of the mother was so over the top that it felt unnatural. Even if you're furious at your daughter, you don't blow up like that in front of a complete stranger. I don't know. My mother was worst with that. Granted, my mother does suffer from mental illness and am the product of a union between a drug addict and a mentally unstable woman. Hell, my mother even told me infront of my friends on my 16th birthday "I should have gotten that abortion like everybody told me to!" I not only find the response to be natural but kinda more understanding of Sayu's behavior as a result. My only real escape from the situation was joining the American military. I can honestly say I was treated better by joining then the 17 years I spent in the house. I am very sorry to read that. That's a horrible thing to say to a child. I hope that you managed to find a happier life afterwards. |
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| It pisses me off that there are actually some mother's irl that act like this one. |
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kuwangpa said: The anime has shown nothing for us to even get an idea of what she is talking about (don’t respond with the dad shit either). Why not? If I recall correctly, didn't the mom "keep" Sayu (i.e. refuse to abort her) in a vain effort to keep the dad/husband from leaving the family? And then something about Sayu being a living/constant reminder of that vain attempt. Yes, but as the previous poster has said, the anime hasn't shown the mother's "hardships" for us to understand her better. It's not the way to go if you want the "villain" to have substance. kuwangpa said: Probably the way they were raised. Isn't he some kind of CEO or high-level manager at some rich, powerful company? Looking at how career-driven the mom is, it seems like the brother was raised that way too (e.g. blind obedience to elders, don't speak out of turn, etc.) and look at him now. He's probably the "favorite" child to the mom, but at the cost/tradeoff of being a spineless, blindly-obedient coward who can't speak out his own mind. It goes back to how they were raised. Considering that the mom only cares about her reputation, the son was probably raised to think the same way too ...which is why he told his mom to stop her public freakout (in front of Yoshida) to prevent further damage to her reputation/character. Yeah, that is a good point, although her brother still has done some "rebellious" things like helping Sayu runaway and then not telling his mother that he actually found her for a whole week. |
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