KoreaWS said: LowOfSolipsism said: Why do you say that? He is thinking critically about stuff that are happening because he is (as he consider himself) an analyst. And to be fair, many people dont watch anime with their brain shut off. Complicated anime requires you to look for hidden detailes/messages and themes can be ignored if one didnt focus enough. I'm of the opposite opinion based on the market state but since we both don't have statistical data, your and my assumption means nothing. Many =! majority. People with high attention span notice more stuff. People who watch anime not to only entartain themselves but to also encounter heavy themes/messages, tend to have high attention spans. He belongs to that group, I belong to that group, many people on MAL belong to that group. Those people often get annoyed by stuff that shows do and want to talk about that. |
kamisama751 said: LowOfSolipsism said: We all know why he made that video. Some people, on MAL or Reddit, put their 5 top favorite anime just to look smarter (that's something that is actually happening) and he went against it. He didnt want to say that he's opinions are facts or anything like that, he is always open for everything but the way he made this video made a lot of people to find him offensive. I think he just made a mistake in creating this video in the first place. Then AnimeEverday proofs him using double standard and being prejudging. *clap *clap *clap Well that explains him being "too biased" enough. AnimeEveryday is just one example of a man that has "boring anime" on his fav list but actually likes them. Yes that exist, yes Digibro acknowledged that those kind of people exist however people who make those lists to look smart also exist. |
LowOfSolipsism said: Have you seen the video though? kamisama751 said: Then AnimeEverday proofs him using double standard and being prejudging. *clap *clap *clap Well that explains him being "too biased" enough. AnimeEveryday is just one example of a man that has "boring anime" on his fav list but actually likes them. Yes that exist, yes Digibro acknowledged that those kind of people exist however people who make those lists to look smart also exist. That is more about him being defensive in order to avoid criticism. |
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LowOfSolipsism said: KoreaWS said: I'm of the opposite opinion based on the market state but since we both don't have statistical data, your and my assumption means nothing. Many =! majority. People with high attention span notice more stuff. People who watch anime not to only entartain themselves but to also encounter heavy themes/messages, tend to have high attention spans. He belongs to that group, I belong to that group, many people on MAL belong to that group. Those people often get annoyed by stuff that shows do and want to talk about that. I wasn't reffering to many as in majority, but many as in proportionaly very low. The point is already there, however, and yours is clear. |
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| I'm a huge fan, he makes very well written analyses. |
| I think alot of people take what he says a bit too seriously. Alot of what he says and does is intended to be taken with a grain of salt, and for the most part, he blogs as a way of expressing his ideas so that people will understand where he comes from. Honestly, i think his stuff is ok, and he does give an interesting take from time to time, but some of his analysis can be a bit excessive. I'd say that while me and digibro have a common middle ground on some things, our tastes can be quite different at times. Its always funny when he makes a bunch of people butthurt though. |
| One of the best guy talking about anime on youtube, he's amazing, I've barely disagreed with him ! |
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ExoticBankai said: One of the best guy talking about anime on youtube, he's amazing, I've barely disagreed with him ! It is hard to Disagree with Likeable Anime Youtubers am I right? |
montillo said: His analysis are overcomplicated imo when it doesn't need to be, so thats too much bullshit for me. I agree with him on some things but also disagree with him on other things. What i dont' like about him the most isn't really his analysis however, it's how he presents them. He comes off to me as some sort of snob which i'm not particularly fond of... So i don't think he's a very likeable person.. But hey thats just my opinion... and we respect that :) He just puts Anime under A stethoscope and then tries to teach his watchers about several things making him come off as a Snob. Other Anime youtubers don't really do that and just keep things plain simple and enjoyable Like Bobsamurai and Glassreflection do, Hence why i still like them more then Digi. But hey thats just my opinion... |
| I feel like it’s always the same and that the only thing that differentiates the anime analysis community as a whole is their usernames, otherwise they’d be interchangable in their thoughts and opinions. Sans Digibro, though - he only stands out to me because he’s still the exact same as the rest, he just acts like he’s not more of the same old shit because he doesn't loathe moe or whatever. Both arrogant and incorrect, but I still have trouble hating him more than the rest of that crowd. Really, everyone's just boring and cringey with interchangable standards that don't match up with what makes an anime good to me so therefore their opinions are pretty much entirely worthless to me because of as much. He's no exception, I just take note of him specifically because he made that one video where he called out the most boring taste in anime and I thought it was greatness. Literally the only good thing I've ever seen someone who tries to take sooper in-depth looks at animu guise im srs do. |
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| His videos amazing, I spend at least 20 minutes listening to him talking everyday. Also of course he's bias, that's the point- objective criticism is a meme that needs to die. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Anime everyday's analysis videos are not similar to digi's analysis videos. I like anime everyday too but I don't have the same understanding of AE as I do digibro. It's so cool being really immersed in a persona. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: His videos amazing, I spend at least 20 minutes listening to him talking everyday. Also of course he's bias, that's the point- objective criticism is a meme that needs to die. Just because he's biased doesn't mean he shouldn't be unreasonable, which he is. I feel he uses the otaku gonzo journalism as an excuse to say anything he wants without thinking if it's reasonable. |
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KoreaWS said: black1blade said: His videos amazing, I spend at least 20 minutes listening to him talking everyday. Also of course he's bias, that's the point- objective criticism is a meme that needs to die. Just because he's biased doesn't mean he shouldn't be unreasonable, which he is. I feel he uses the otaku gonzo journalism as an excuse to say anything he wants without thinking if it's reasonable. He can say anything he wants to, I don't want any diluted shit. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Wensbane said: To be fair, that's not really true at all. I can tell you like Digi a lot, but anime Youtubers have a hard enough time as it is. The last thing we want to do is deny them possible subscribers by spreading misinformation. You're right, just check out this one for example: It's not as long as digibro's videos but that doesn't mean it's not analytical. |
Robiiii said: For proper analysis, MAL community is better lol oh dear god please no not even joke material, that's a scary thought this place pumps out reviews that tend to be pure cringe black1blade said: objective criticism is a meme that needs to die. The word "objective" in general needs to die when it comes to discussion and critical reviews entirely, if you ask me. retarded word that only retarded people use seriously What standards the person is basing their opinion on something off of doesn't constitute absolute fact and the sheer amount of arrogance it takes to act like they're the ones who determines as much makes me want to kick their teeth in. Objectivity is defined as "not being influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts." Unless the person writing the review is a person who has studied the intricacies of writing for a good few years and then did some kind of fuckin' science experiment or something to prove that their hypothesis on this being bad was correct, they can fuck right off and take their stupid opinion with them. To be objective is to be impartial while representing facts, so an objective review would mean the person writing it would have to refrain from sharing their thoughts all together because objectivity strongly implies no opinions an objective review defeats the purpose of a review all together |
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| Has everyone seem the vid he put up about affirmation? |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| He doesn't like what I like so he's shit. Like every other Anime youtuber. Okay seriously. He talks to much for me. Most of it is over thought bullshit that makes me stop watching in the middle. Then there's that video when he generalized taste, and stated like it was a fact. Then he was surprised by how people reacted... Just lolwut. |
black1blade said: Has everyone seem the vid he put up about affirmation? By reading this thread, i'd assume not. It was a pretty interesting video, honestly. I think alot of people just like ripping him apart from the few outlier opinions he shares. I don't always agree with what he has to say, but i respect his opinion (most of his time). There are times where he will rip apart a show for relatively "petty" reasons in my opinion, but whether or not you share an opinion, it can be interesting to hear differing viewpoints regardless. |
Bourmegar said: Mamster-P said: well ofcourse, spend all this money trying to make something original then it ends up not doing well.... its a complete waste on their part and theres always the people like me who are fine with generic "pandering" shows why does everything have to be "bad?" people like to call copy paste shows "bad" cause theyre really similar to the original, but wouldn't that make the original bad? Well that is mostly because they just Copy the idea and not the Quality or don't have the means to improve or Changes on the formula in such way that it kinda is different. and ofcourse i don't mind watching some Enjoyable good Generic shows, but I rather watch something like Berserk (I am a bit hyped about Berserk 2016 but I am a bit Scepticall about it Seeing which Studios are behind it and being as good as the manga will be extremely hard). And yh being fully original is extremely hard. I am more than ok with it if a show has a story and characters that have been thought out while Having some Borrowed things and change it so that it is just original enough to be an own entity and not a clone (not 100% Original). They don't have to be 100% original. but yh Taking such risks now is not a good idea, Lets just hope that the economy will get back up so that such risks can be made again. well to me all the "copy paste" battle harems and moe blobs are different enough that most of them don't even remind me of one another yes, Hundred is predictable for example, but i don't really think of other battle harems when i watch it, i just kinda think of it as hundred. i honestly don't think its ANYTHING like asterisk or bahamut (just to name 2 recent ones) |
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Lisbon said: The word "objective" in general needs to die when it comes to discussion and critical reviews entirely, if you ask me. The words "objective" and "deconstruction" should be taken away from the anime community until the community knows what these words mean and how to use them :p |
Irrelative said: Then there's that video when he generalized taste, and stated like it was a fact. I loved that video lol Not because I thought it was right per se, but because it just evoked so much butthurt from anime fans who tend to shit all over what I like, so I just got a bit of sweet sweet schadenfreude from it. I do think it held some truth to it, though. Even in the comments of it where people were listing their favorite anime, I saw like, 3 or so people say "I really love cowboy bebop lol it's cliche I know but it's cliche for a reason ;)" just by skimming through it. Profile hopping on here even, you'll find a ton of people who regularly use the forums for discussion all have really similar favorites lists yet the amount of favorites said anime has seems disproportionate to the amount of people who use this site for discussion and have it on their favorites list. Say what you will about people just trying to project an image onto themselves because that's really just a case by case basis, but I did find some truth in his words there. Nothing absolute, but more or less "I can think of a few people who remind me of that." |
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Lisbon said: Not because I thought it was right per se, but because it just evoked so much butthurt from anime fans who tend to shit all over what I like, so I just got a bit of sweet sweet schadenfreude from it. Digibro's videos in general amass unprecedented amounts of asshurt. It's the best part about his channel, and probably the main reason why he gets so many views. Seeing youtube commenters cry about how digi doesn't think moe is the spawn of satan never gets old. |
Lobinde said: Seeing youtube commenters cry about how digi doesn't think moe is the spawn of satan never gets old. I mean, I recognize that I'm petty as fuck for saying this, but yeah, this is pretty much the only reason I even go to Digibro's videos when I see them pop up honestly It's just stupid of me really, but I get kind of exhausted of hearing those types praddle on and on about how superior they are and how much stuff I like sucks and how I'm killing anime or whatever, so watching them get all flustered brings me a bit of mean-spirited joy. |
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| Btw, does Digi actually treat his opinions as facts like many people are saying here? I haven't watched much of him but I've never seen him act like that. |
| digibro is kind of a mixed bag for me. |
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AltoRoark said: Nah, not really. I remember seeing a video of his where he addresses this complaint. From what I remember, he said he viewed his own opinions as being completely subjective and disputable. I think it just comes off this way to some people because he can be pretty blunt about his views. He doesn't feel the need to hold back on his opinions because he likes making videos about his opinions lol.Btw, does Digi actually treat his opinions as facts like many people are saying here? I haven't watched much of him but I've never seen him act like that. |
Biogundam said: This.digibro is kind of a mixed bag for me. He can over analyze when it comes to K-On. Sometimes the blue curtains are just that... blue. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Cabron said: He's a mix bag, he can over analyze when it comes to K-ON. Sometimes the blue curtains are just that... blue. Why would an author describe a very specific detail about a room if it didn't mean anything? I think you need to watch this: |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Because it's 2deep4me/4u.Cabron said: He's a mix bag, he can over analyze when it comes to K-ON. Sometimes the blue curtains are just that... blue. Why would an author describe a very specific detail about a room if it didn't mean anything? I think you need to watch this: |
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| It's funny that I'm reading a lot here that his videos are too long when most of them are only like 10 or 15 minutes. I know his SAO and Asterisk Wars videos are the most popular and all of them are quite long, but that is just a little percentage. Sometimes it feels like people brag about more what they have heard/read and have not even done proper research about it. And in this case it's just going into his channel which takes like what, less than a minute. But hey I guess this is the basic rule of Internet, why would you know what you are talking about. In my case I think he does really interesting content, even if I don't agree 100% with him in everything, and sometimes I even learn things from him. |
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MohitVermillion said: It's funny that I'm reading a lot here that his videos are too long when most of them are only like 10 or 15 minutes. I know his SAO and Asterisk Wars videos are the most popular and all of them are quite long, but that is just a little percentage. Sometimes it feels like people brag about more what they have heard/read and have not even done proper research about it. And in this case it's just going into his channel which takes like what, less than a minute. But hey I guess this is the basic rule of Internet, why would you know what you are talking about. In my case I think he does really interesting content, even if I don't agree 100% with him in everything, and sometimes I even learn things from him. 10 or 15 mins for a topic or idea that takes less than 5 minutes. That's where the claim comes from. |
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black1blade said: Cabron said: He's a mix bag, he can over analyze when it comes to K-ON. Sometimes the blue curtains are just that... blue. Why would an author describe a very specific detail about a room if it didn't mean anything? I think you need to watch this: Simple, to give an image of the room. By occam's razor that's the simplest answer. Unless you want to overanalyze it. Go crazy, but don't expect me to take you seriously unless you are reasonable with your interpretation. |
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KoreaWS said: black1blade said: Why would an author describe a very specific detail about a room if it didn't mean anything? I think you need to watch this: Simple, to give an image of the room. By occam's razor that's the simplest answer. Unless you want to overanalyze it. Go crazy, but don't expect me to take you seriously unless you are reasonable with your interpretation. You don't necessarily need to point out the colour of the curtain though but yeah that meme is kinda stupid because without the context of the text around it, then it's meaningless. If the character does deal with depression or one of themes of the story is depression or a similar negative emotion connected to the colour blue, then it's a legit thing to say that the colour of the curtains is significant. The meme probably comes from the fact is that most people don't understand the themes of the stories they study in high school so they just think their English teachers are talking BS when they try to suggest the writer wrote something with a deeper meaning in mind or that you can interpret that a descriptive part of the text is linked to one of the themes. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: You don't necessarily need to point out the colour of the curtain though but yeah that meme is kinda stupid because without the context of the text around it, then it's meaningless. If the character does deal with depression or one of themes of the story is depression or a similar negative emotion connected to the colour blue, then it's a legit thing to say that the colour of the curtains is significant. The meme probably comes from the fact is that most people don't understand the themes of the stories they study in high school so they just think their English teachers are talking BS when they try to suggest the writer wrote something with a deeper meaning in mind or that you can interpret that a descriptive part of the text is linked to one of the themes. But what if the theme of the work is not depression and the owner of that room uses blue curtains because he likes blue. That's the thing, the authorial intent might just pretty well mean that blue is that character's favourite color. Pure fleshing out. The problem comes, then, when the reader somehows interprets the work as a depression thing, be it contrived reasoning, logic jumps, misinterpretation, etc. Then he uses his interpretation of the blue as depression when the work isn't about that. As you pretty well say, it's context-sensitive. However, that doesn't mean that all and any interpretations are valid, since if it is poorly argumented, is nothing more than a baseless opinion. And if the author manifest that the blue color doesn't means anything but the character's preference, then any and all interpretations are outside the work, and thus they are not part of it. Something akin to fanfiction. Check this page out, I knew that meme before the video and I know what's about. It's not about the author not doing things without a purpose, it's about the teacher giving it more purpose that what it actually has. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory MohitVermillion said: I don't think that statement is even fair. Any topic or idea can be talked about the time the person wants, it depends on the amount of what you have to say and how you want to express it, this is specially important if you take in count Youtube as a media. At least I have never felt he talks a lot more than he should. In comparison ThatAnimeSnob makes shorter videos, REALLY straight to the point but they feel really rushed and I don't even get to care or get interested about what he's saying. I have the opposite perception. TAS videos are straight and to the point, never derailing for them and thus they are informative. They fullfil their purpose to relay a message. Digi tries to entertain while relaying his message, but in doing so his videos get longer in detriment of the clarity of his message. What he wants to say is clear, however how he wants to say it is cluttery and long for the sake of beign long (to explain himself better as he puts it). So yeah, I think he talks more than is needed for what he wants to say. He can do it, yes, I can't stop him, but that doesn't mean I can't have my opinion about it. |
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kamisama751 said: That doesn't mean objectivity doesn't exist in well done reviews. Otherwise there wouldn't be good and bad reviews in the first place. :P Nope. Objectivity only exists in summaries of a series. Reviews aren't objective, they're generally explaining likes/dislikes/thoughts on what they watched instead of just presenting facts in an unbiased manner. Literally no such thing as an objective review, because there's no room for thoughts and opinions in objectivity. Now, there's just not being a complete twat in a review and approaching a series and judging it for what you perceive to be things it did well and things it didn't do well instead of just looking at the genre it's listed under or the way it looks or (x) shallow reason. That's not being objective though, that's just being fair. Not that it happens a lot, of course. Most reviews I watch and read don't really feel like they're taking things on a case by case basis and instead are trying to create umbrella standards for what makes something good and what doesn't - everything has to be FMA or Steins;gate or it's just meh - which is just kind of bullshit honestly, but meh. Now I'm just going on a tangent. |
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KonaKoffee said: Mamster-P said: are they really? i only looked at his page once lol you know me against ppl who whine though.. and he whines he makes a video: "why good anime is hard to make"...... but... whats "good"? anime HE likes? Most anime reviewers whine about pointless shit except for two (yall know who), but some of his analysis are interesting to listen to. http://myanimelist.net/profile/Digibro?q=digibro obviously both hunter x hunter and kill la kill are some of my all time favorites, but imo the rest of his favorites are just as generic (or more generic) as what most other people like. It's not a bad thing at all, and there are some generic ass shows that even I still loved watching. As long as he doesn't act like an obnoxious edgelord who says shit because they're like "herpy derp, I offend people because being offensive is such funny" then I can't really get annoyed by some of the shit he says about anime. At the same time I see people who hang on every single word he says, or what any other anime reviewer says, and try to replace their own opinions with theirs. -_- just watch your freaking animu and love/hate whatever the hell it is people! lol Dropped Naruto at volume 11 and Dragon Ball at chapter 7 dafuq My opinion on this fellas manga taste has drastically dropped Edit: Saw his One Piece review, watched his HXH review, hm..I should really continue watching HXH. He doesn't seem like a BAD analyzer, but I doubt I'd ever intentionally seek out a Digibro video again. I didn't particularly disagree with what he's said though. |
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| He's an overthinking twat. Lmao the delusions he has about K-On are hilarious. |
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| @Mamster-P just curious. How do you call out a flaw without sounding "whiney"? Or is calling out flaws a bad thing in the first place? |
| I don't waste my time listening to others' analysis/opinion on anime as long as they're people I care about. I have better things to do in life. |
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| I watch him often but I don't watch his really long videos like ERASED for example, I didn't even care that much about ERASED to start with anyway. I watch most of his videos but I like BobSamuari, The Anime Man, AnimeEveryday, TheBlackCriticGuy and Glass Reflection better. I like to see them point out trivia or talk about a show that I might be interested in, I like to see them reviews stuff that I've seen, I almost never watch the episode reviews though, I don't see the point in reviewing just one episode. |
| I do sometimes watch TAS but not because I find his videos that informative, but they are pretty entertaining. He acts like his opinion is objective fact but I don't really give a shit about his opinion but the reasons behind it. But yeah he has a funny voice and says funny things. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
2DHeart said: What happened? Did he criticise SAO and then apologized?Jou-dan said: do you think he's right most of the time, makes stuff up, projects too much? what do you think of him? I personally think he makes too many long videos. I'm not gonna sit there for 6 hours listening to what he thinks about Erased I also think he makes a lot of interesting points about shows, but he presents his feelings about things as fact way too much, lol He misinterprets things a bit, I believe it could be as posters suggest he is a bit emotional and he accepts his beliefs as facts. I know he went on an apology tour about not understanding Sword Art Online, but damn. To Summarize - his videos can be entertaining, I've listened through some of them while doing other things. I just don't go and take him seriously, not if he can't give a proper analysis on the motives of such a one dimensional character like Kirito. |
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2DHeart said: I guess this is one of the examples where he takes his opinions as facts. I was questioning a bit that reasoning too but it wasn't that big of a deal.zal said: What happened? Did he criticise SAO and then apologized? I'm not going to sit through it and rewatch, but here it is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uON7ANNOi4 The tl;dw version is the apology in his sequel vid: https://youtu.be/CHhebk70xRo?t=186 If you can't understand THAT, I can't trust your judgement on non-entertainment content. Holy dumb, (digi)bro. I should edit, wasn't an apology. More of a -I fucked up- moment. Are you referring to me or Digibro? And understand what? |
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Gesu- said: @Mamster-P just curious. How do you call out a flaw without sounding "whiney"? Or is calling out flaws a bad thing in the first place? Depends Really on how you present it, Using swear words and such does make you a bit whiney when you call out the flaws. Mamster-P said: Bourmegar said: Well that is mostly because they just Copy the idea and not the Quality or don't have the means to improve or Changes on the formula in such way that it kinda is different. and ofcourse i don't mind watching some Enjoyable good Generic shows, but I rather watch something like Berserk (I am a bit hyped about Berserk 2016 but I am a bit Scepticall about it Seeing which Studios are behind it and being as good as the manga will be extremely hard). And yh being fully original is extremely hard. I am more than ok with it if a show has a story and characters that have been thought out while Having some Borrowed things and change it so that it is just original enough to be an own entity and not a clone (not 100% Original). They don't have to be 100% original. but yh Taking such risks now is not a good idea, Lets just hope that the economy will get back up so that such risks can be made again. well to me all the "copy paste" battle harems and moe blobs are different enough that most of them don't even remind me of one another yes, Hundred is predictable for example, but i don't really think of other battle harems when i watch it, i just kinda think of it as hundred. i honestly don't think its ANYTHING like asterisk or bahamut (just to name 2 recent ones) well good thing that you don't think of Asterisk because that show is pretty dam bad IMHO xd I just like to have a Variety in tastes Rather than eating the same type of food that just looks different or only tastes a slight bit different everyday. But hey, Even I like shows Like Kabaneri and etc |
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