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Jan 7, 2013 5:21 PM
#1
First off: Correlation does not imply causation. I have noticed that lots of people that watch anime and/or play MMORPGs come across as very unsure about themselves, and more concerned with what others think of them. I've dated a girl once that was so shy it hurted to be around her because I was afraid I would emotionally damage her. I would argue that it is not MMOs and Anime that are the cause so much as their underlying condition. They provide exactly what depressed people need -> reward and escape from reality. Therefore temporarily making them happy. However these things cannot yet provide what people perceive as life rewards or long term socially acceptable goals. Therefore, as soon as the game or anime is put down, their more long term goals are detrimented due to time loss. A more advanced point is that ambition and depression have an interrelation, the two work together to enable you to advance in life. People with strong tendencies towards these drives or emotions will find alot of addiction or enjoyment in MMOs and Anime. I also think that it isn't really normal for a young adult male to enjoy watching a show created for young female children. This would be analogous to you having a hobby of playing with barbie dolls at your age. That is extremely weird, regardless of how well-adjusted you otherwise appear to be. It's less that I think that people are gay, and more that I think a lot of them could want to be little girls. (I have actually seen that here but won't give the name). A lot of people now are probably just in it for the community and the fandom, but many of these people seem like they could legitimately be transgender. I've also never seen many girls that were into shonen just like I haven't seen many guys that are into shoujo. Of course, there are exceptions like Fairy Tail that is a shonen but has more appeal to a female audience and little children or FMA that was written by a female and therefore has a lot of elements that appeal to girls. Liking a weird show is fine, but if people are doing it for hidden sexual motives, that's a bit disturbing. On some level it seems like this sexual motivation could even be a subconscious thing. Which brings me to the Lolicon subject. There are lots of confused anime fans who thinks that child porn is okay if it's animated because they aren't real children and it's 'cute'. Making girls look like 5 years olds but sexual is something that I think is evil and sick. As I've said before: Lolicon is a safe outlet for actual pedophiles Unfortunately, lolicon is so popular among anime fans that men who are not actually pedophiles now have fantasies like this. Seeing something normalizes it, even if it's just animated. It's disgusting and does more harm than good. It normalizes a sexual orientation shared by a small percentage of the population and spreads it to people who would not normally be interested in it. Being cartoons people can be perfect in every way, something you don't see often in real life. It's when one crosses that boundary from saying "good story" to "I'd love to bang that figure in a drawing". Unfortunately, because it happens to be in the anime medium, a bunch of jackass who are not of that persuasion watch it and fantasize about it. It's incredibly mainstream to the point that many anime fans have started to accept it as normal I've also seen girls that like anime talk about how "hottttt" anime characters are and draw yaoi drawings and read mangas and watch anime centered around that. So what about you? Do you think anime and MMORPGs are sign of sexual deviance and social awkwardness? Share your thoughts. Holybaptiser said: On a side note, what happened to the thread Not_Biased promised us? Here it is, share your views too Holybaptiser. |
Jan 7, 2013 5:23 PM
#2
i play wow as a draenor female paladin I am a sexual deviant This thread told me to turn myself into the police. I was arrested swiftly and currently await sentencing. Thank you, Not_Biased, for allowing me to turn myself in before I harmed either myself or the general public. |
~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
Jan 7, 2013 5:24 PM
#3
Was a good post, untill the 5th paragraph. |
Jan 7, 2013 5:28 PM
#4
You forgot to say "Yaoi is a blasphemy against our father in heaven who created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." |
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Jan 7, 2013 5:35 PM
#5
Not_Biased. You are the least biased person on this site. I really, really mean it. I mean really, really. |
Jan 7, 2013 5:35 PM
#6
This sounds like a MSM news report so let me get this out of my system. Now to each part of this. Frst off you arn't everyone, and keep in mind alot of the folks on here from what I've seen are teens. Not exactly for the most part ready to go Gang bang. The whole reward bit is frankly, BS, people like that can turn to games, books, suicide. There are millions of things they can run to. As to guys watching shows for girls...that is a modern societal view of the Americans. For Example I like Angelic layer and Hayate as examples, but most of what I like is shonnen type things. But I guess you'll soon say at my age I should be working on cars and drinking beer, and that I need to get rid of my plastic tank models. Also I don't see how something like this would change your sexuality unless you are very insecure and lacking in will. I guess my asian flower scrolls make me gay also. As to the other argument, I guess you never heard of Fangirls? Who like Shonen characters, like Al from FMA. Girls do tend to watch these shows and some of them write some pretty messed up fan fics. Yet I don't see most of them going around in lesbian biker clubs. As to lolicon, let me ask you this. What is worse, some of these hard cases jerking off or buying character pillows, or actively raping kids? Because you know that happens right? There is a huge slave market in the millions. And just recently in the United States a child sex ring was busted. And I would bet a thousand bucks most of those who ...used the service did not know of loli. At the very least it isn't a child being raped. You can say it causes it. I can say your kids reading the Illiad will turn them into incest comming bisexual greeks. Or Mien Kampf will turn everyone into a nazi. And that Porn Magazines turns everyone into sexual deviants. Does that not sound stupid? As to the art and such, do people not sit around paintings of crap saying how "innovative" it is? Heh some people pay good money to see murder, yet do not do it themselves. Overall your post is ignorance, and a terrible attempt at a trolling. Mod edit: Removed reaction image. Other than that, we'll observe the discussion for now. |
TachiiJan 7, 2013 5:49 PM
Jan 7, 2013 5:38 PM
#7
mascarpone said: Not_Biased. You are the least biased person on this site. I really, really mean it. I mean really, really. I really mean really really mean...you lost me, lol. In MMORPG my main story it's with male characters, but after I finish i try females too (mainly to see the changes) |
Jan 7, 2013 5:43 PM
#8
A wise man once said: "Being a murderer or a thief in a game would make you a murderer or a thief in real life too" I'd like to hear your unbiased opinions about this, Not_Biased. And what do you think about that person? Is he a good person and a role model or what is he? |
Jan 7, 2013 5:45 PM
#9
Anime and MMO's haven't affected my sexual desires or fetishes in any way, before anime and MMO's I was perfectly normal enjoying simple soft core porn and after anime and MMO's I was still the same. On the other hand thanks to the internet now I can't even get it up unless there's horse penises or some other weird shit involved and hentai that involves a son sucking off his fat mother who has a 16 inch dick is what I consider "normal" at this point. |
Jan 7, 2013 5:45 PM
#10
mascarpone said: Not_Biased. You are the least biased person on this site. I really, really mean it. I mean really, really. ^ Do you really really really not really mean it? But at least he's trying to prompt discussion, so thumbs up for that. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:01 PM
#11
Candor said: A wise man once said: "Being a murderer or a thief in a game would make you a murderer or a thief in real life too" I'd like to hear your unbiased opinions about this, Not_Biased. And what do you think about that person? Is he a good person and a role model or what is he? The man is wrong. Opportunity makes thieves. However opportunity can only determine when and where crime occurs, not whether it occurs. Same applies to murder. mdude009 said: On the other hand thanks to the internet now I can't even get it up unless there's horse penises or some other weird shit involved and hentai that involves a son sucking off his fat mother who has a 16 inch dick is what I consider "normal" at this point. Yep. That's one of the biggest problems of pornography. It rewires your brain in a bad way. Eventually, it's going to desensitize the value of actually seeing a live girl naked, and participating in sex with her the day that happens. It's very dangerous. @mascarpone: Thanks ;) I do my best |
Jan 7, 2013 6:09 PM
#12
So this is pretty much all your previous threads condensed? |
Jan 7, 2013 6:13 PM
#13
mdude009 said: On the other hand thanks to the internet now I can't even get it up unless there's horse penises or some other weird shit involved and hentai that involves a son sucking off his fat mother who has a 16 inch dick is what I consider "normal" at this point. Yep. That's one of the biggest problems of pornography. It rewires your brain in a bad way. Eventually, it's going to desensitize the value of actually seeing a live girl naked, and participating in sex with her the day that happens. It's very dangerous. Yeah, I'll admit, I kind of miss my ability to jerk off to normal stuff, it made finding porn so easy. But I traded that in long ago and replaced it with the knowledge of where I can buy giant horse dildo's and flesh lights modeled after dogs vagina's. No way to change that now. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:16 PM
#14
This is getting weird |
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Jan 7, 2013 6:16 PM
#15
Jan 7, 2013 6:22 PM
#16
So you made this just to rant about moe,shoujo and loli in anime(maybe games too)? Ok we get it already.You are an Alpha male that wont EVER watch something so "gay" or perverted. |
ssjokgJan 7, 2013 6:27 PM
Jan 7, 2013 6:26 PM
#17
OK, cool story bro. I think that games and movies pushing a person over the edge is extremely rare. But I also think they would have snapped sooner or later regardless. I ain't saying what is wrong to watch/play and what is not. Don't really feel that it is up to me, there are laws for that. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:28 PM
#18
Verdale said: BatoKusanagi said: So this is pretty much all your previous threads condensed? Soon there will be an unabridged version available at your local bookstore. I'll wait for the Limited Collector's Edition. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:29 PM
#19
Not_Biased said: Opportunity makes thieves but it doesn't necessarily make thieves, it just determine when and where the crime occurs. 2deep4me. What that man says makes more sense than what you're trying to say.Candor said: A wise man once said: "Being a murderer or a thief in a game would make you a murderer or a thief in real life too" I'd like to hear your unbiased opinions about this, Not_Biased. And what do you think about that person? Is he a good person and a role model or what is he? The man is wrong. Opportunity makes thieves. However opportunity can only determine when and where crime occurs, not whether it occurs. Same applies to murder. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:31 PM
#20
BatoKusanagi said: Any chance of a director's cut? They normally hold more interesting things.Verdale said: BatoKusanagi said: So this is pretty much all your previous threads condensed? Soon there will be an unabridged version available at your local bookstore. I'll wait for the Limited Collector's Edition. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:35 PM
#22
Candor said: It comes with a dakimakura of Ilya.A gift from Not_Biased.BatoKusanagi said: Any chance of a director's cut? They normally hold more interesting things.Verdale said: BatoKusanagi said: So this is pretty much all your previous threads condensed? Soon there will be an unabridged version available at your local bookstore. I'll wait for the Limited Collector's Edition. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:36 PM
#23
Shuhan said: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=543038&show=0#msg19341042tl;dr someone give me a condensed version. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:38 PM
#24
Not_Biased said: There are lots of confused anime fans who thinks that child porn is okay if it's animated because they aren't real children and it's 'cute'. Making girls look like 5 years olds but sexual is something that I think is evil and sick. As I've said before: Lolicon is a safe outlet for actual pedophiles Victimless crimes are what is evil and sick. If you're going to start on imagery, why not move onto fictional writing? Hell, why stop at fictional writing when we can move into people's very thoughts themselves? I'm aware you're trolling, hence the name and badly constructed posts. However there are a lot of people who genuinely believe law has any place in fiction. |
TrapaliciousJan 7, 2013 6:43 PM
Jan 7, 2013 6:42 PM
#25
Shuhan said: lolicon = pedophile irltl;dr someone give me a condensed version. no girls watch shonen and no males watch shoujo, except in some cases you watch anime because you're socially awkward and you escape to an imaginary world Sex is dangerous you watch moe = a chance of playing with barbies liking anime characters is bad moe is directed for young females If I missed something or made a mistake then someone please correct me or add stuff. |
Jan 7, 2013 6:45 PM
#26
Interesting, I see alot of people who are depressed that watch anime, and play mmporgs I only watch happy anime, and play one mmporg, ive seen about 20 animes(dont usually finish them), and consider myself to have a life, and enjoy being outdoors in warmer weather, and listen too music that most kids say is stoner music, I like the 60s ok? examples below: |
MiraniaJan 7, 2013 6:53 PM
Jan 7, 2013 6:49 PM
#28
Coolspot said: Did I mention your sig is awesome? it's too nostalgic. What was the name of that game again?Interesting, I see alot of people who are depressed that watch anime, and play mmporgs I only watch happy anime, and play one mmporg, ive seen about 30 animes, and consider myself to have a life, and enjoy being outdoors in warmer weather, and listen too music that most kids say is stoner music, I like the 60s ok? |
Jan 7, 2013 6:51 PM
#29
Coolspot said: Interesting, I see alot of people who are depressed that watch anime, and play mmporgs I only watch happy anime, and play one mmporg, ive seen about 30 animes, and consider myself to have a life, and enjoy being outdoors in warmer weather, and listen too music that most kids say is stoner music, I like the 60s ok? Hey I do watch anime and play MMORPGs too, there's nothing wrong with you, don't worry! |
Jan 7, 2013 6:55 PM
#30
Jan 7, 2013 7:04 PM
#31
Jan 7, 2013 7:17 PM
#32
ssjokg said: Candor said: It comes with a dakimakura of Ilya.A gift from Not_Biased.BatoKusanagi said: Any chance of a director's cut? They normally hold more interesting things.Verdale said: BatoKusanagi said: So this is pretty much all your previous threads condensed? Soon there will be an unabridged version available at your local bookstore. I'll wait for the Limited Collector's Edition. I will wait a couple years for the doco, maybe even bluray version. |
Jan 7, 2013 7:25 PM
#33
Some posts here are magically disappearing... We can't even troll a troller? |
Jan 7, 2013 7:42 PM
#34
Coolspot said: Yea that's it, Advance Wars. Thanks.The game is advance wars, it was around from 2003-2009 the other character is omochao they were around in 2001 or so. |
Jan 7, 2013 7:50 PM
#35
Troll thread or not, I don't care. The intentions behind a presented argument do nothing to undermine the argument itself. So I'm going to post my thoughts. That said.... It's one thing if you enjoy futas or tentacles in your porn. It just reaches unsettling levels once you start buying dakimakuras, getting off to lolicon, shoutacon, rape, guro, etc. That shit right there is what gives the entire fandom of Japanese media a bad reputation as being creepy basement dwellers. Seriously, I'm sick of innocence and cuteness being constantly sexualized. It's so common now that people are completely desensitized to it and they look at you suspiciously if you happen to enjoy an anime like Nanoha or Lucky Star. Ugh. -__- |
Salmon is delicious. |
Jan 7, 2013 7:55 PM
#36
^^ Tentacles are not unsettling? If they look at me suspiciously because I watch ANY anime it's their problem. |
Jan 7, 2013 7:56 PM
#37
Jan 7, 2013 8:01 PM
#38
moose1 said: ^Little girls are hot, don't know what to tell ya bro my brother. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:19 PM
#39
I can't speak for all of the topics you have brought up, but there have been numerous studies on violent video games, for example. Most of these studies have found that, yes, violent video games can make you slightly more violent if you already have extremely violent dispositions. If I'm remembering correctly, there have been similar studies on violent porn and violence against women. Again, if someone has violent dispositions, they were found to be more likely to respond in a similar manner. I think that this way of thinking can match up with most of the topics you brought up. If someone already has the make up to be violent/sexually deviant/socially awkward/etc, then perhaps similar media might have an effect on them. For the vast majority of the population though, I doubt this would be the case. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:22 PM
#40
pink-lemonade said: I don't think that's directly comparable. Violent video games make you more violent, and I posit sports will do the same, because of testosterone.I can't speak for all of the topics you have brought up, but there have been numerous studies on violent video games, for example. Most of these studies have found that, yes, violent video games can make you slightly more violent if you already have extremely violent dispositions. |
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Jan 7, 2013 8:27 PM
#41
katsucats said: pink-lemonade said: I don't think that's directly comparable. Violent video games make you more violent, and I posit sports will do the same, because of testosterone.I can't speak for all of the topics you have brought up, but there have been numerous studies on violent video games, for example. Most of these studies have found that, yes, violent video games can make you slightly more violent if you already have extremely violent dispositions. I think you might have misunderstood me. There's a big difference between "violent video games make you more violent" and "violent video games make someone who was already violent more violent". That's the point I was trying to make, but I guess I didn't exactly write it in a very clear manner. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:27 PM
#42
That OP went downhill so fast, haha. Entertaining, if nothing else. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:35 PM
#43
pink-lemonade said: Personally speaking, I'm a peaceful guy. But after some good competition when I get pumped, I bet if there was a survey to somehow measure my violence quotient, I bet it would be higher. I assume that it would be the same for everybody whether they have a disposition for violence or not.katsucats said: pink-lemonade said: I don't think that's directly comparable. Violent video games make you more violent, and I posit sports will do the same, because of testosterone.I can't speak for all of the topics you have brought up, but there have been numerous studies on violent video games, for example. Most of these studies have found that, yes, violent video games can make you slightly more violent if you already have extremely violent dispositions. I think you might have misunderstood me. There's a big difference between "violent video games make you more violent" and "violent video games make someone who was already violent more violent". That's the point I was trying to make, but I guess I didn't exactly write it in a very clear manner. |
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Jan 7, 2013 8:46 PM
#44
Connecticut should switch to burning footballs, imo. And not only because it's an awful sport. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:47 PM
#45
So I was looking for not_biased's thread. Not hard to find. not_biased said: Which brings me to the Lolicon subject. There are lots of confused anime fans who thinks that child porn is okay if it's animated because they aren't real children and it's 'cute'. Making girls look like 5 years olds but sexual is something that I think is evil and sick. As I've said before: Lolicon is a safe outlet for actual pedophiles Unfortunately, lolicon is so popular among anime fans that men who are not actually pedophiles now have fantasies like this. Seeing something normalizes it, even if it's just animated. It's disgusting and does more harm than good. It normalizes a sexual orientation shared by a small percentage of the population and spreads it to people who would not normally be interested in it. "Studies of lolicon fans state that lolicon fans are attracted to an aesthetic of cuteness and that collecting lolicon represents a disconnect from society, rather than the age of the characters." SOURCE: Shigematsu, Setsu (1999). "Dimensions of Desire: Sex, Fantasy and Fetish in Japanese Comics". In Lent, J.A.. Themes and Issues in Asian Cartooning: Cute, Cheap, Mad and Sexy. Bowling Green, OH: Bowling Green State University Popular Press. pp. 129–130. ISBN 978-0-87972-779-6. You may now shut the fuck up. |
Jan 7, 2013 8:50 PM
#46
I'd agree with you to an extent, but only about long-running anime series and MMOs. The escapism one gets from a series of <30 episodes would simply be akin to watching a few movies or reading a book. Though, while I detest MMOs for the same reason I dislike long running anime series (they're purposefully lengthened for no reason other than to make money), I had to read a paper on MMO players last year for a New Media project for university which showed evidence that MMO players actually developed social skills through guild activities or something along those lines. I also mostly agree with your point about lolicon. I'm not well versed in what it actually is but I don't think it's right to exploit children as per your description. While it's nowhere near as bad animated as it would be in real life, it's still troubling to think people would draw things like that... Though, I suppose if there was evidence that lolicon, as a safe outlet, actually prevented pedophilia in real life, I'd be less inclined to oppose it, regardless of my beliefs. Never mind, I didn't have much of an idea of what lolicon actually was, but the post above clarifies it. |
Kamio-chanJan 7, 2013 8:53 PM
Jan 8, 2013 1:02 AM
#47
Dear op you are an idiot that probably never gets out of his house or is just a kid. You never dated a girl ether. Why i say that? Because everything you post are stupid stuff we find on the internet all the time: "guy playing mmo and seeing anime are shy nerds", "the evils of loli anime blabla", "yaoi girls and shoujo" etc. You are just a stupid kid trying to play the intellectual but you fail hard because you just say the usual internet bullshit found in anime forums making you seem like you actually never thought of anything using your own brain and you spend your life trolling around on the internet. . |
Jan 8, 2013 2:46 AM
#48
Anime, hentai and tragety are the cause of my faggotry. Plain and simple. Before those things came into my life, i was a normal boy who didnt think about much, or give a fuck about anyone or anything. My main goal in life, was to make fucking dolla dolla bling bling and own a bunch of tight ass material shit. NOW... all i wana do is have sex with my non existant futa sister... who is also loli. Sad how the before mentioned opened my eyes. On a side note, I do belive time consuming forms of entertainment are a detriment to us all... to a certain extent. Participating in anime/hentai/books/games that involve certain types of content like loli, doesnt make you a pedophile. You already were one but you didnt know it... fancy that! The only reason you veiw it as wrong, is becuase you were raised to belive its wrong, that doesnt mean it ACTUALLY is. If the current human consensus reality (can you comprehend what that means?) was in favor of sexual intercourse at age X or XX instead of 18, like it was in almost every other point in human history, you wouldnt be ranting about how evil it is. The people of today have made an imaginary line at the age of 18. You were born to fuck children and i can prove it! I can guarantee you, that mother nature is correct and we (people) are fools, who believe we know what we are doing, but actually dont. Mother nature makes human beings viable for child production at the age of 12-13, or in other words, the point of puberty. Thats the sign to start fucking. So right there is an argument that you cannot fight against, unless you think that humans know more about right and wrong than god! If god created man, and fucking people under age 18 is wrong, why did he make the age of human sexual productivity/availability/possibility 5-6 years sooner? Also, there isnt a man alive who could have a 15-16 year old beaver stuck in his nose and not want to fuck it, unless he was COMPLETELY homosexual. He might not do it, based on his current situation (relationships) and fear of scrutiny or consequence, but he still wants to fuck it. We are just animals. On the topic of exposure turning people "into" things. Your saying that if you were tied to a chair, and forced to watch gay porn, you would become a homosexual? If you started getting sexually aroused while in that chair, you were already gay but didnt know it, or were in denial about it. I myself found out that i am completely Bisexual, through a very similar situation (plus a few other factors), except i wasn't forced. TRAPS FOR THE WIN BRA! Once i admited it, it was clearly obvious that i was in denial about it my whole life. It didnt turn me into a bisexual, i already was one. (I could make an entire blog about how i belive its possible that everyone is bisexual) On the topic of moe or romance/girly anime being inappropriate for males. Just because you cant see the value in it, doesn't mean its not there. The people who watch it and enjoy it, can get somthing out of it you cant. Some of these shows KICK ASS, and if you had the abillity to take my word for it (i know you dont), you would stop hatin on a nigga fo likin AKB48. And im not talking about sexually (although i probably would bone a few of them) AKB48 made me cry...thats right, i fucking said it! If anything is causing this sick state that is the human race, its our society as a whole and our veiw of "we know whats best" and "capitalism" or in other words "fuck tha nigga to my left and right, ME ME ME!". You cannot single out anime or games as the main underlying factor. |
Blueballs123Jan 8, 2013 2:51 AM
Jan 8, 2013 3:07 AM
#49
Jan 8, 2013 3:09 AM
#50
Blueballs123 said: Name something that's wrong that you weren't raised to believe is wrong, and then explain how you would know it's wrong?The only reason you veiw it as wrong, is becuase you were raised to belive its wrong, that doesnt mean it ACTUALLY is. |
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