Sword Art Online (light novel)
| >like a show >become so popular >dislike it because of that Every single time. |
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| Like that is totally his opinion man. |
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j0x said: so according to Kotaku a site known for news and reviews of games and japan... Sword Art Online Is the Smartest Anime more info http://kotaku.com/5947171/sword-art-online-is-the-smartest-anime-ive-seen-in-years-and-its-only-half+done im starting to dislike this show a little now its becoming so overrated, their are far better story than Sword Art Online and i know you know that too This doesnt make sense you know. Someone starts worshiping a show and you dislike the show because of that? I didnt read the article but I am pretty sure that either he hasnt seen enough anime or he is trolling. MAL isnt the only site with unreliablereviews. |
ssjokgSep 28, 2012 10:26 AM
belatkuro said: >like a show >become so popular >dislike it because of that Every single time. So true, and so very pathetic, then the worst part of it is that they deny all of it; saying the show itself is bad, which while true or not doesn't change the fact that its popularity adds to their hate. |
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j0x said: so according to Kotaku a site known for news and reviews of games and japan... Sword Art Online Is the Smartest Anime more info http://kotaku.com/5947171/sword-art-online-is-the-smartest-anime-ive-seen-in-years-and-its-only-half+done im starting to dislike this show a little now its becoming so overrated, their are far better story than Sword Art Online and i know you know that too Calling it the smartest anime HE's seen in years is his own opinion, I read the article and I liked it |
| Here is my deconstruction of his review. *sigh* Deconstructing the Kotaku SAO Review In fiction, a story like this would normally last about a month their time—long enough for the players to become inseparable friends, but not long enough to change who they are at their core. Twelve episodes in and more than two years have already passed since the start—two years spent living in a VR world. This allows for an in-depth look at the psychological implications of being in a virtual reality for so long that you start to wonder if the real world even exists. And if it does exist, should everyone still be trying to get back to it instead of giving up and starting to make new lives for themselves inside the game world. Sure the psychological change and the time gap is great but it comes at a great cost. By sacrificing pacing and a good narrative drive, you only get on reward: a plot point. It's not very smart and while this problem doesn't exist in the LN, it's glaringly annoying in the anime. The anime skips numerous floors and only focuses on a few of the side stories essentially rendering all the psychological change or change in actual character meaningless. You don't see what happens in-between, and while this doesn't necessary matter, the huge time gap absolutely ruins the sense of impact of the development because we don't see what directly comes after. Essentially a good point but pacing of the story counteracts this and pacing is more important than a plot point in an anime. But beyond discussions of reality, Sword Art Online also delves into the sociological issues of living in this virtual world. Some people trapped in the game are hardcore gamers while others—casual players or young children—don't have the experience or skills to be risking their lives in the still unbeaten dungeons. So do you, as a hardcore gamer, draft the whole lot and make them fight? Do you just leave them—including the children—to fend for themselves? As a non-fighter, can you really spend all your time leveling up a trade skill—trusting the hardcore gamers to get you back to reality? And with a return to the real world always there to motivate you, can you justify slacking off, falling in love, or training in the cooking skill? All these questions and more are addressed over the course of the story. Interesting premise. This is actually a point of detriment rather than praise. If the anime actually focused more on this it'd be cool and it'd be very awesome world building. Sadly, the anime doesn't address this as nearly as much as this reviewer thought. You only get hear a few lines about what others do and it doesn't really go into the lives of other people besides Kirito. The handful of times you meet people that aren't fighting in the fields or dungeons, is severely limited as it only serves to move the plot along. The reviewer clearly doesn't recognize this and praises something that isn't there. Because everyone is trapped inside the game, their knowledge of the virtual world is limited to what they learn in the game itself. So while everyone knows the basic rules of the world, no one knows the specifics other than the data collected in the beta test. This makes the world perfect for adventures from a wide range of genres. Sometimes it's a mystery; sometimes it's a love story; sometimes criminal suspense; sometimes supernatural horror; and sometimes it's a straight-up fantasy adventure. Yes. Nice point about the premise of the show but it's just that. A premise. Everything that follows isn't greatly executed and isn't as nearly as great as it's made out to be. The idea of people being trapped and fighting in the frontlines isn't shown at all except for episode 2 and 8. Instead the story dabbles in the misadventures of our anti-social hero, Kirito. Just like everything else the reviewer praises in his review, he praises the ideas that make up the show but not the show itself. If there's one overused cliché in anime, it's that once two characters hook up, it's the end of the story—like the relationship after that point is a given. Thankfully, Sword Art does not stick to the norm. Thus the plot explores a love story in Sword Art's unique setting and brings definition to exactly what love is like in a virtual world. Wait... what? Have you seen other animes that go far beyond the simple hook up and first couple of dates? This isn't the first time this has happened. Not only that but rather than focus on how Asuna and Kirito meet and fall in love, the anime focuses on their relationship after they are committed. What you get is a horribly paced relationship that feels like it came out of the blue. While there are subtle hints here and there, not making it explicitly clear even once throughout the course of the show makes their relationship feel like a sudden event. While well-thought out and depicted better in the LN, the anime doesn't portray their relationship in an interesting manner for their start. |
XIIIRed said: Well taking a look at your list I would suggest to stay away form SAO.But who knows? you may enjoy it in the end.InfiniteDestiny said: belatkuro said: >like a show >become so popular >dislike it because of that Every single time. So true, and so very pathetic, then the worst part of it is that they deny all of it; saying the show itself is bad, which while true or not doesn't change the fact that its popularity adds to their hate. Hipsters. OT, is this show actually a "smart anime" and worth watching? It looks like generic shounen to me |
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| Guilty Crown is smarter. |
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Karhu said: Guilty Crown is smarter. I think they saved that one for IGN though. |
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Karhu said: Guilty Crown is smarter. Lol. Guilty Crown is by far the worst. |
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Tyrel said: Lol. Guilty Crown is by far the worst. If you think of Guilty Crown as a parody of how anime just needs pretty art to be popular, then it suddenly takes on a whole new meaning. And Hitler Shu was hilarious. |
| I read it and I agree that it has a lot of potential to become a very smart series. So far the anime hasn't been great, just okay. Anybody who says that it's overrated and sucks, well they basically are stupid InfiniteDestiny said: Completely agree, also that the SAO forums are just filled with people calling it overrated yet the score never drops, it's hilarious.belatkuro said: >like a show >become so popular >dislike it because of that Every single time. So true, and so very pathetic, then the worst part of it is that they deny all of it; saying the show itself is bad, which while true or not doesn't change the fact that its popularity adds to their hate. |
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| I can understand what most of you mean. Honestly, I find myself hating on SAO due to the people who rave about it. Which I find unfair, because, in all honesty, SAO isn't bad- it's mediocre. I would've definitely enjoyed it more had there been less raving over it being 'the best series of all time'. But, then again, it's all people's opinions, and I do respect that, although it does affect my opinion of the series as well (alas, that is how I sadly function as a human being). With that being said, so far SAO is nothing special to me. I haven't seen anything so amazing as of yet. Who knows, it might get better. And, who knows, maybe the original novel is actually extremely amazing when compared to the anime counterpart (Note that I have not read the novels, so I wouldn't know if the Anime is better or worse at adapting the original content). As of Episode 13, all I can say is that SAO is overrated, not bad, just overrated. Hopefully it becomes better in future episodes. |
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Kurimu-chan said: As of Episode 13, all I can say is that SAO is overrated, not bad, just overrated. Hopefully it becomes better in future episodes. You mean Episode 1. |
Paul said: Kurimu-chan said: As of Episode 13, all I can say is that SAO is overrated, not bad, just overrated. Hopefully it becomes better in future episodes. You mean Episode 1. Of course, it was overrated before it aired (: I meant that as of episode 13, so far, nothing has removed my doubts that this show is overrated. |
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| well, that is a bit funny Kurimu-chan said: I can understand what most of you mean. Honestly, I find myself hating on SAO due to the people who rave about it. Which I find unfair, because, in all honesty, SAO isn't bad- it's mediocre. I would've definitely enjoyed it more had there been less raving over it being 'the best series of all time'. But, then again, it's all people's opinions, and I do respect that, although it does affect my opinion of the series as well (alas, that is how I sadly function as a human being). With that being said, so far SAO is nothing special to me. I haven't seen anything so amazing as of yet. Who knows, it might get better. And, who knows, maybe the original novel is actually extremely amazing when compared to the anime counterpart (Note that I have not read the novels, so I wouldn't know if the Anime is better or worse at adapting the original content). As of Episode 13, all I can say is that SAO is overrated, not bad, just overrated. Hopefully it becomes better in future episodes. I agree 100% with every single point. |
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NNick said: ...I wonder how much LN fanboys gave SAO 10/10 when first episode aired. Wait, it already can be seen. I am a LN reader, though not a fanboy. I've dropped the light novel due to something that really irritates me. That being why it's called Sword Art Online. Don't understand? You will eventually. Also this.. |
Paul said: NNick said: ...I wonder how much LN fanboys gave SAO 10/10 when first episode aired. Wait, it already can be seen. I am a LN reader, though not a fanboy. I've dropped the light novel due to something that really irritates me. That being why it's called Sword Art Online. Don't understand? You will eventually. Also this.. SAO LN readers:3916 10:1122 9:631 ........................... SAO anime:50,463 10:8869 9:7155 8:5141 7:2385 6:798 ............... It doesnt look like it's only the LN fanboys that rate it high.It doent even look like it's their fault that SAO is so high ranked. |
ssjokgSep 28, 2012 4:25 PM
ssjokg said: Paul said: NNick said: ...I wonder how much LN fanboys gave SAO 10/10 when first episode aired. Wait, it already can be seen. I am a LN reader, though not a fanboy. I've dropped the light novel due to something that really irritates me. That being why it's called Sword Art Online. Don't understand? You will eventually. Also this.. SAO LN readers:5,903 10:1122 9:631 ........................... SAO anime:61,755 10:8869 9:7155 8:5141 7:2385 6:798 ............... It doesn't look like it's only the LN fanboys that rate it high.It doent even look like it's their fault that SAO is so high ranked. Honestly, I've seen plenty LN readers disliking the anime because of how horribly it is adapted. Also, just a heads up, a lot of users don't update their manga list, let alone novels, so the numbers for the novel are very inaccurate. Then for the non-light novel readers giving 10's, it's usually just generic MMORPG-er's that'll probably give it 10's just because it's a MMO and in their mind... being a mmo = instant 10. It's like the mind of a 9 year old who plays CoD. CoD is the best game in their mind, if they made a anime on CoD, they'd give it a 10 even if they didn't understand wtf is going on. |
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Paul said: ssjokg said: Paul said: NNick said: ...I wonder how much LN fanboys gave SAO 10/10 when first episode aired. Wait, it already can be seen. I am a LN reader, though not a fanboy. I've dropped the light novel due to something that really irritates me. That being why it's called Sword Art Online. Don't understand? You will eventually. Also this.. SAO LN readers:5,903 10:1122 9:631 ........................... SAO anime:61,755 10:8869 9:7155 8:5141 7:2385 6:798 ............... It doesn't look like it's only the LN fanboys that rate it high.It doent even look like it's their fault that SAO is so high ranked. Honestly, I've seen plenty LN readers disliking the anime because of how horribly it is adapted. Also, just a heads up, a lot of users don't update their manga list, let alone novels, so the numbers for the novel are very inaccurate. Then for the non-light novel readers giving 10's, it's usually just generic MMORPG-er's that'll probably give it 10's just because it's a MMO and in their mind... being a mmo = instant 10. It's like the mind of a 9 year old who plays CoD. CoD is the best game in their mind, if they made a anime on CoD, they'd give it a 10 even if they didn't understand wtf is going on. I doubt that SO many dont update their lists.We are talking about some hundreds the difference is in thousands. Yeah but in every thread it's the LN's fanbase "fault" for SAO being overrated. |
| What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. |
Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. |
| Provide me a specific example of why the novel is THAT much better than the anime. The essence of the story is shown in both mediums, and the writing the light novels is average at best. Don't give me "some details are left out". I'd rather not see those details in the anime. |
Smooched said: With anime quality depends on the overall execution, meaning direction. No matter how good and well-written the characters and the story are an amateurish direction can ruin the whole show. With novels the most important aspect is the storytelling, IMO.What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. But I pretty much agree when it comes to SAO. I see no major quality differences. It seems that the novel fans imagined the series would be something which it wasn't. :p |
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Karhu said: Smooched said: With anime quality depends on the overall execution, meaning direction. No matter how good and well-written the characters and the story are an amateurish direction can ruin the whole show. With novels the most important aspect is the storytelling, IMO.What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. But I pretty much agree when it comes to SAO. I see no major quality differences. It seems that the novel fans imagined the series would be something which it wasn't. :p I was directly referring to SAO. I guess my post wasn't very clear. |
Smooched said: Provide me a specific example of why the novel is THAT much better than the anime. The essence of the story is shown in both mediums, and the writing the light novels is average at best. Don't give me "some details are left out". I'd rather not see those details in the anime. Yeah some details ARE left out.SAO LN isnt the best novel ever(even if I gave it a 10) but it's definitely better than the anime. |
Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously ssjokg said: Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing. |
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Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. Reminds me of the entire argument the author of "Mayoi Neko Overrun!" gave about how Anine adaptions of LN and/or Manga could ruin the original source. It's how it's adapted that counts in the end. |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously ssjokg said: Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing. Bro, nice use of semicolons. YOU can't be taken seriously. |
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Smooched said: InfiniteDestiny said: Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously ssjokg said: Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing. Bro, nice use of semicolons. YOU can't be taken seriously. I rather not be taken seriously then be predictable like you; side stepping the point with stupid things like punctuation. You seem to misunderstand i don't care what you think; i simply find it amusing. In the end i enjoy SAO regardless of what you think; thus i'm not the one wasting my time like you are. You can say things like "i decide what to spend my time on" and you would of course be correct, but try convincing others that spending time on something you hate is wise and see how you do, i would find the results to that amusing as well. |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously ssjokg said: Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing. it would be incredibly stupid and one-sided if only people who liked a series wrote reviews also, hating is fun not a good thing, but that's just the way it is |
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| So I am automatically a hater for pointing out that the SAO light novels are of the same quality as the anime. How amusing and cute. You need work on your interpretation skills...and grammar. You look like a dude that just discovered the semicolon. Show it off to the world young one! |
Kurimu-chan said: ./Brings Popcorn This argument is becoming amusing to watch (: Like every SAO thread on MAL. |
ShiroX said: InfiniteDestiny said: Smooched said: also, hating is fun not a good thing, but that's just the way it is You speak the truth and your avatar/icon matches it. We humans just love to hate, don't we? |
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ShiroX said: InfiniteDestiny said: Smooched said: What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing. LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously ssjokg said: Eh no not at all. From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga. This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing. it would be incredibly stupid and one-sided if only people who liked a series wrote reviews also, hating is fun not a good thing, but that's just the way it is You know you made my point all by yourself right? Its not a good thing. However i do agree with you, there are two sides to every coin after all. People shouldn't misunderstand, i don't care if you dislike or hate this series, i really really don't. You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way you express it and the reason for it is stupid. As has been pointed out, the popularity of the series makes it more hated then it would be if one took a step back and looked at it normally. Also the way the hate is described just brings unneeded conflict and makes the forums almost intolerable. If one wants to hate this series because they dislike the plot, the characters, the whatever, thats one thing but to hate a series because of its popularity and then simply use one line sarcastic insult remarks is pathetic and redundant. Also like i said before i find it completely pointless to watch something you hate, why watch something that you hold no hope for; is it truly time well spent just to make fun of something? that is seeking conflict and that is what i have a problem with. |
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