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I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

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LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

May 13, 2014 8:25 AM

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I don't believe in anything

believing in science is stupid in my opinion because there's a reason it's called the theory of evolution

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JD2411 said:
I don't believe in anything

believing in science is stupid in my opinion because there's a reason it's called the theory of evolution

you did not make that point.
dont make me change the opinion I have of you.

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cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

Something can't be real if it doesn't exist

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LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

Something can't be real if it doesn't exist

nothing exists?

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It's called a theory but evolution is a fact and theory, because science does not deal in absolutes as in it's confirmed to a really high degree.

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nothing exists?

Solipsism.

Or maybe not Solipsism as everything outside your mind is unsure not "non-existent".

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cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

Something can't be real if it doesn't exist

nothing exists?

Nothing is the lack of existence, therefore it can't exist.

May 13, 2014 8:38 AM

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LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

Something can't be real if it doesn't exist

nothing exists?

Nothing is the lack of existence, therefore it can't exist.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
seriously, I still dont know if you were seriously with "nothing is real to me".

May 13, 2014 8:39 AM

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I thought that many of you here in a place like MAL will share my religion but i see you are all non-believers or disgusting heretics. SHAME ON YOU!
Repent and see the light. There in only one true religion. The religion of polytheism of unnumbered anime/manga goddesses. The one true sexy religion. I worship my goddesses every day and night.

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Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:
nothing exists?

Solipsism.

Or maybe not Solipsism as everything outside your mind is unsure not "non-existent".

I know the word, but putting a label on it doesnt make the idea less absurd and incomprehensible for me.

also, the poll needs more Talos.

May 13, 2014 8:46 AM

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I don't see why it's absurd. The idea that nothing exists is a possibility, albeit impossible to prove just like its existence.

EDIT: God.

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cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:
I have no god to believe in, and none are worthy of my affection. All I have is myself. That's the only thing I can believe in that is real. Until I die, then I won't be real. Therefore nothing is real to me.

how exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that nothing is real? I think I missed the point where you draw the logical connection between "I dont believe in gods" and "therefore nothing is real to me".

Something can't be real if it doesn't exist

nothing exists?

Nothing is the lack of existence, therefore it can't exist.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
seriously, I still dont know if you were seriously with "nothing is real to me".

If I don't exist, then I'm in my own bubble of nonexistence. Perhaps life will continue after my nonexistence, but from my perspective, nothing is real, and nothing exists. And perception is everything.

May 13, 2014 8:52 AM

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Immahnoob said:
I don't see why it's absurd. The idea that nothing exists is a possibility, albeit impossible to prove just like its existence.

which makes it ridiculous to believe it, since we experience it as existing.
We can interact with everything around us (at least our mind makes us think that), so its irrational to believe the opposite, just because "you cant prove it 100%".

The idea isnt absurd, its in fact a possibility.
Its absurd to believe it, for the reasons I stated.

LadyRenly said:

If I don't exist, then I'm in my own bubble of nonexistence. Perhaps life will continue after my nonexistence, but from my perspective, nothing is real, and nothing exists. And perception is everything.

you just repeated yourself and explained nothing to me.

May 13, 2014 9:02 AM

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I believe in Immahnoob.

cabacc2 said:

LadyRenly said:

If I don't exist, then I'm in my own bubble of nonexistence. Perhaps life will continue after my nonexistence, but from my perspective, nothing is real, and nothing exists. And perception is everything.

you just repeated yourself and explained nothing to me.

I think she's saying people die when they... die. Life may continue after you die however, since you'll have no perception anymore (dead) nothing will exist in your perspective due to having no perspective anymore in the first place.

May 13, 2014 9:04 AM

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you guys dont believe in gods you believe in science but do you really believe universe is so simple and everything just works by itself automatically or even random. if it so we would never exist as we are the shining example of what universe is able to create and it cant be explained by simple formula. we are the miracles by ourselves. we not just exist we are given everything neccesary to survive. oxygen, water, sun. if you believe theres no forces that probably surpas us that control such a great structure as universe which is NOT chaotic then you are blind!

if we (a life) would somehow even apear in chaotic uncontrolable space we wouldn't be able to last so long.

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cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
I don't see why it's absurd. The idea that nothing exists is a possibility, albeit impossible to prove just like its existence.

which makes it ridiculous to believe it, since we experience it as existing.
We can interact with everything around us (at least our mind makes us think that), so its irrational to believe the opposite, just because "you cant prove it 100%".

The idea isnt absurd, its in fact a possibility.
Its absurd to believe it, for the reasons I stated.

It can all be an illusion. What do you know?

But if it's all an illusion, it can also be reality unless outside the illusion there is existence.

In my opinion, it's less absurd than believing in a god.

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I believes in god he is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth.

“ God is more loving and kind than a mother to her dear child”.

He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone”.

Notice : "Allah is the Arabic word for God"

God says in Quran that He did not create all of this for any foolish purpose. He tells us that He created us for the purpose of worshiping Him, Alone and without any partners.

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Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
I don't see why it's absurd. The idea that nothing exists is a possibility, albeit impossible to prove just like its existence.

which makes it ridiculous to believe it, since we experience it as existing.
We can interact with everything around us (at least our mind makes us think that), so its irrational to believe the opposite, just because "you cant prove it 100%".

The idea isnt absurd, its in fact a possibility.
Its absurd to believe it, for the reasons I stated.

It can all be an illusion. What do you know?

But if it's all an illusion, it can also be reality unless outside the illusion there is existence.

In my opinion, it's less absurd than believing in a god.

I agree, but that still doesnt explain how Renly arrived at that conclusion.
It would be the best option to believe neither and just accept what you percieve (which is what I do).
I dont care if its actually an illusion or reality, its my subjective reality. Period.
There is no point in believing that it is or isnt real.

there is nothing more absurd than believing in insivisble friends, that goes for everything.

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AnimeKazegake said:
I believes in god he is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth.

“ God is more loving and kind than a mother to her dear child”.

He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone”.

Notice : "Allah is the Arabic word for God"

God says in Quran that He did not create all of this for any foolish purpose. He tells us that He created us for the purpose of worshiping Him, Alone and without any partners.

Wait.

Are you being sarcastic?

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Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

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Yes as a believer yes. Humans must believe in something greater than them. I'm Christian but i like some other european mythologies like Greek, Celtic and Norse. I can't tell if i really believe in polytheistic religions maybe it's just a passion. Anyway, i just voted Greek which are the same for Romans.

But why no Him.

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Immahnoob said:
Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

there is no best option.
there are logical and illogical options.

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cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

there is no best option.
there are logical and illogical options.

So why is it more logical to believe that this world exists? What proof do you have of that?

As I said, what you perceive is different from what another perceives, you're committing the mind projection fallacy.

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I believe in a creator but no particular religious beliefs. Something helped everything get started and abandoned us is my belief.

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I believe Jesus to be my Lord and savior.

In my opinion, accepting science as the one andonly origin of humanity is too, simple. What "caused" scienceto happen? Doesscience really exsist on it's own with nothing, driving it? No greater power, no "Director' of it?

Youcan argue a similar argument for God, but atleasgt God isn't mndless and lacking a concious, unlike science.

That probably sounded mush stupider thaan intended, hopefully someeone understands this andcan clarify if someone needs it.If you havequesdtions, feel freeto ask and I'll do my best to answer though.

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I don't believe in any gods. I came to the conclusion that the idea of a creator is an explanation that explains nothing (no evidence, no predictive power, no addition to knowledge).
Anyway, Nyako is open for questions, so ynot.

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I believe Jesus to be my Lord and savior.
In my opinion, accepting science as the one andonly origin of humanity is too, simple. What "caused" scienceto happen?
Youcan argue a similar argument for God, but atleasgt God isn't mndless and lacking a concious, unlike science.

Zeus isn't mindless, or lacking a consciousness. Same for Durga, Aramzd, and Yahweh.
The thing is: do we have objective reasons to believe in any of them? We could discuss the mind of Dizang all day, but if Dizang doesn't exist, then we're only fooling ourselves.

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Doesscience really exsist on it's own with nothing, driving it? No greater power, no "Director' of it?

Scientific explanations don't require a 'Director', so there's no need to posit one; unless you want to answer the great gap of science: "what caused everything?". But without a proper definition of god or its 'creation' mechanism, our answers are the same: "I don't know".

I mean, when you think about it, "a entity that I can't define, created everything through a process that I know nothing about" is pretty much the same as "I don't know", except wrapped in some divine mystery that explains nothing.

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I don't believe in anything

believing in science is stupid in my opinion because there's a reason it's called the theory of evolution

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Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

there is no best option.
there are logical and illogical options.

So why is it more logical to believe that this world exists? What proof do you have of that?

As I said, what you perceive is different from what another perceives, you're committing the mind projection fallacy.

Its not logical to assume that this world exists and I stated that before.
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> ''Allah and others''

What others? Islam is founded on worshiping one and only God. A.K.A Monotheism.

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tsudecimo said:
> ''Allah and others''

What others? Islam is founded on worshiping one and only God. A.K.A Monotheism.

I already said that to him but he didnt change it lol

May 13, 2014 10:59 AM

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I'm pretty interested in religions, but I don't associate myself with any of them nor do I think that any of the gods are real.

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cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

there is no best option.
there are logical and illogical options.

So why is it more logical to believe that this world exists? What proof do you have of that?

As I said, what you perceive is different from what another perceives, you're committing the mind projection fallacy.

Its not logical to assume that this world exists and I stated that before.
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You're stumbling upon your own words and contradicting yourself constantly, "It's best..." then you're saying "there's no best, only logical or illogical.", then you are bothered by how Renly got to that conclusion like it matters, but then again, you claim it doesn't matter but you still pursue it.

Okay.

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tsudecimo said:
> ''Allah and others''

What others? Islam is founded on worshiping one and only God. A.K.A Monotheism.

i think he didn't make a proper research by the looks of the poll

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I'm an atheist so no, i don't believe in any god or religion.

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Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:

Immahnoob said:
Well, that's your subjective point of view, I would have said it's fine if you claimed that you don't know about it being reality or illusion, but that's not how Renly sees things, she might think that what she perceives is not real. Why is it that it's the best option anyway? Because you say so?

Nothing has a point objectively, cabacc. We make our reasons.

there is no best option.
there are logical and illogical options.

So why is it more logical to believe that this world exists? What proof do you have of that?

As I said, what you perceive is different from what another perceives, you're committing the mind projection fallacy.

Its not logical to assume that this world exists and I stated that before.
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You're stumbling upon your own words and contradicting yourself constantly, "It's best..." then you're saying "there's no best, only logical or illogical.", then you are bothered by how Renly got to that conclusion like it matters, but then again, you claim it doesn't matter but you still pursue it.

Okay.

With best I meant logical. Its just that you are nitpicking and I have to correct myself with choosing more specific words.

So, for you now: Good and Bad are subjecive, I stated that like 10 times in this forum already. I meant logical. And I'm pretty sure you are aware of that.

Renly came to the conclusion that its "good" to assume that nothing is real. I've said that this isnt the logical assumption and that it would be most logical to not make an assumption at all (said that in #34), and just embrace what you percieve.

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Renly came to the conclusion that its "good" to assume that nothing is real. I've said that this isnt the logical assumption and that it would be most logical to not make an assumption at all (said that in #34), and just embrace what you percieve.

Hmmmm - ignoring the fact that you're senses work selectively in its perception of the world around you and "assumes" the majority through past experiences which is very often misleading.

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I believe Jesus to be my Lord and savior.

In my opinion, accepting science as the one andonly origin of humanity is too, simple. What "caused" scienceto happen? Doesscience really exsist on it's own with nothing, driving it? No greater power, no "Director' of it?

Youcan argue a similar argument for God, but atleasgt God isn't mndless and lacking a concious, unlike science.

That probably sounded mush stupider thaan intended, hopefully someeone understands this andcan clarify if someone needs it.If you havequesdtions, feel freeto ask and I'll do my best to answer though.

yeeaaaah...

I dont know how you came to the conclusion that science claims to be "the origin" of humanity. I think you haven't quite understood what science is, which basically kills every sentence you say after that.

And you debunked your own argument. And after that you failed to make an argument to compensate for that.

so, no.. I dont really have questions.

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cabacc2 said:
Renly came to the conclusion that its "good" to assume that nothing is real. I've said that this isnt the logical assumption and that it would be most logical to not make an assumption at all (said that in #34), and just embrace what you percieve.

Hmmmm - ignoring the fact that you're senses work selectively in its perception of the world around you and "assumes" the majority through past experiences which is very often misleading.

how did I ignore that? When I said "embrace", it was more in a "thats what I percieved, and now its up to me to make something with it"-way, contrary to the "thats what I percieved, but who cares its not real anyways"-way

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cabacc2 said:
I've said that this isnt the logical assumption and that it would be most logical to not make an assumption at all (said that in #34), and just embrace what you percieve.

But that's where you fucking stumble on your words, medamn it. You claim that she should embrace what you perceive, yet she perceives this as unreal.

There your point falls over because you claim it's most logical to not make an assumption, yet you tell her to make one because you also make one.

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Immahnoob said:

cabacc2 said:
I've said that this isnt the logical assumption and that it would be most logical to not make an assumption at all (said that in #34), and just embrace what you percieve.

But that's where you fucking stumble on your words, medamn it. You claim that she should embrace what you perceive, yet she perceives this as unreal.

There your point falls over because you claim it's most logical to not make an assumption, yet you tell her to make one because you also make one.

._.
now its not #34 anymore. Whatever.

I dont make an assumption, I said that multiple times now. I dont assume that its real (which would match my perception) and I dont assume the opposite.

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Y'all mother-fuckers need to praise the sun.

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No, I don't believe there is any God whatsoever, I believe in Science. Until there is proof that god exists I'll keep thinking that he doesn't.

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since when the prophets have become gods???

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since when the prophets have become gods???

I've heard that Jesus is a prophet but also a god and he is also his father and he is IN you this moment.

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Science is interesting

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Science is my god

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bash107 said:
since when the prophets have become gods???

I've heard that Jesus is a prophet but also a god and he is also his father and he is IN you this moment.

i'm a Muslim btw :)

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