I hate this show...

Vandalyzm said:
Season 2? Why would they need a season 2?

VoidGenome said:


I could ask the same question about 50% of all animes which got a second season. Every damn series gets a second season as long as it sold well enough these days so yea...might as well do one for GC and make most of the fans happy.

Iudicius said:
I hate it, because now I will never rest in peace knowing that they will never make a season 2 :(
why... world is so cruel T_T
When other animes don't even need another season like Zero no Tsukaima, etc.. why!??
AHHH!!
QQ

Physiicx said:


Let it go.... I had dat feeling too but the sales aren't enough t.t

RockerXD said:


iirc, it was a success in japan. And unlike this show, ZnT needed a fourth season, the third season didn't really conclude anything, and they had source material to burn through.

Physiicx said:


I thought it was barely unsucessful? :O Well, I still want a second season with Inori coming back or something :P. I just want to be able to immerse myself in GC universe.

RockerXD said:


Ima be honest, that would just be shit writing, and they would have nothing left to do.

RockerXD said:


Name a few. They either had unconcluded endings or they are based off of a long source material. Only thing GC can hope for is a full adaptation of Lost Chirstmas, and that's about it.

Peten00b said:
The story of Guilty Crown has already ended, you can't really add much to it.

VoidGenome said:


I wrote that while having stuff like "Kore wa zombie desu ka?" or "The world god only knows" in mind, though both of these are based on a LNs afaik. I still feel like second seasons weren't necessary at all, especially with kwzdk since it seemed like they just went full retard on it and wasted the last episode for random bullshit. I am still amazed at how I managed to watch the anime to the end, let alone through the first episodes. It is just my personal opinion, though and I guess not many share it.

jaejunn said:


Which is why I'm saying you can't understand the beauty of the theme unless you appreciate and understand the religious background to what they are referring to. I'm not going to lie. I hated the anime on my first run through. It left me feeling "eh" but after I thought about it. I understood. And it's all personal preference. I like animes where I have to think afterwards to realize why things happened the way they did. Which is better than just saying something sucks because it's not in your boundary of understanding.

ihateuimeanit said:
I.G. Production trolled me, it would've been such a perfect ending if Shu died as well.

Nidhoeggr said:


TWGOK is a manga, can't you even research that much? I mean, we're on MAL, it's almost impossible not to get such information on this site...



1) The religious themes do NOT make sense, as well as the characters. They contradict each other in every fucking episode because - and here comes the important part - Leon and the others are right: GC is not themed properly, it just throws shit it you and pretends to be deep by throwing around stuff like dystopian fiction, religious words, etc. and hopes you can make some sense out of that chaotic mass by yourself.
2) Not understandable for some people =/= good. Do you know why people can't understand Hitler's Mein Kampf? Not because it is too deep, but because it's just the mindless rambling of a man with a fucked up view on the world! Guilty Crown is the same. Évery theme contradicts itself.

Evangleion is just the same, as are most other anime that pretend to be deep by adding pseudo-dystopian plotlines, "mature" gore scenes and other shit to their main plot. EVA succeeded back then only because it's directing was great and it was the first of its kind that got so popular. If you don't utilize these things, they're worth shit. You need a certain capacity as a writer to handle such elements and if you don't have the skill, you'll ridicule yourself.
And GC is pretty ridiculous because the writers are talentless hacks who failed at even the most basic things.
You know what is more deep than GC? Jinrui: Simply because the show has a very cynical, yet despite his absurdity realistic humour when it comes down to the perception of modern humankind's self-engineered nonage. Is that too complex for you? Well then, have fun with believing that a certain series is deep just because the flat and unrealistisc characters in the anime said so.

TWGOK is a manga, can't you even research that much? I mean, we're on MAL, it's almost impossible not to get such information on this site...

VoidGenome said:

I don't really research about stuff I don't like...unless I am forced to by school/work. I watched the anime, disliked it and never looked at anything related to it again. That's better than running around and spreading the hate all around the internet, resulting in forum wars like with all this naruto or bleach stuff. It just so happens that I heard it got/gets a new season and thought "well, damn. did it really need one?" hence I mentioned it.

ihateuimeanit said:

They just can't comprehend the fact that a lot of people like this anime; they think that we're suppose to follow their ideals to bash an anime just because of simple mistakes.

animetoon said:
Holy crap that's a pretty long list. From the looks of it, most of the problems in the first season somehow involve Inori's character not really being explained in the way it was supposed to connect to the conflict and this is a given by the rushed climax. Second season just went down the drain though and it was pretty obvious. Anyway, I don't really agree with every single point here though. There are more problems like in ep 6 when Segai somehow knows exactly when Gai will start the attack. In other words bad writing. Some of the supposed contradictions don't really apply although explanations were kind of half assed. For example, when Shu's powers evolve, they change because he remembered his past. Ridiculous as it may seem, this was explained. I also don't agree with some of these points which are themselves based on assumptions. How are voids magical in a scifi setting? Well, this obviously isn't scifi, it's science fantasy.

I also disagree with the points made in mistakes on ep 9. To be honest, I have to agree with the commenter that said it was the more coherent episode because I didn't really see anything come out of the blue here besides the endlave being possessed by Jun and this is because the writers don't explain what genomic resonance is. For one, Inori was not absent because we do see her around the half mark with Gai and they are discussing using something about a song. Kind of obscure here but it would only apply if it was not explained and it was although not in the way one would expect. The combat was pretty straightforward during the fight in the warehouse. Shu was not holding a sword btw it was Yahiro's void. Shu probably ran to get the missile's attention and away from the unconscious Yahiro and Jun while he figured out how to fight back. In the end, I also disagree with the point made in the way Shu being devastated when killing Jun was unjustified because for one, I don't recall Shu killing soldiers unless we include all soldiers that died while he was with the undertakers but not killed directly by him. Endlaves have no pilots inside. Two, Shu promised Yahiro he would save his brother. If I were him, I would be pretty depressed myself. Where the writers screwed up is in the way they called Shinji Ikari to come and get his random psychotic breakdowns in the next episode. This episode should have answered the question being something along the lines of what this would mean for Yahiro and how he would see Shu after but the writers obviously don't want to tell a story now do they?

Overall a good list, but some of those points are either inaccurate or based on assumptions so read through them carefully.

tripmode1992 said:
Alternative ending? Yes
Season 2? Please, NO. I've had enough of this show.

UtsukushiiYume said:


1) According to you, they contradict each other in every fucking episode? Oh man, I'm curious. Why don't you give me an example with in every single one of the 22 episodes where it does contradict each other?

2) I really don't know why you're bringing Hitler into this, but have you even READ Mein Kampf? Although I hate Hitler with everything, they're not just mindless ramblings, they're his opinions. It's what the world looks like in his eyes. For US it may seem like mindless ramblings because he was an evil son of a bitch, but it's basically his life and opinion written in the book. Again, I don't know why you're bringing in Hitler into the discussion. GC has nothing to do with Hitler, and they aren't even COMPARABLE. What do themes contradicting themselves have to do with Hitler and Mein Kampf? Oh wait! You haven't even given us examples where they contradict themselves!

You know everything you wrote up there is pretty useless. All you did was give examples of stuff that are fucked up (Can't judge Evangelion; haven't seen it) but gave no examples of where GC went wrong. And if you can't even give any examples of where it is wrong, then your points are all invalid.

And don't give me bullshit like "The whole thing is wrong! It's a crap anime!" Because that's just an excuse.

ihateuimeanit said:

They just can't comprehend the fact that a lot of people like this anime; they think that we're suppose to follow their ideals to bash an anime just because of simple mistakes.

Nidhoeggr said:


1) A lot of people already did that for me, no need to spell it out again. You won't accept them anyway, because you are a blind fanboy. Rockerxd and several other people are doing a fine job listing every mistake.

2) I am a German and I read through Mein Kampf completely. And I brought this into the equation to demonstrate that something isn't good just because you "don't get it". Hitler was very capable on certain fields and his insticts regarding power and it's maintaining were amazing, but when it come down to this book he truly didn't show much of that. The ramblings regarding the Darwinistic theory, oh boy..he compares fucking bird races to human beings! Read through those chapters: You won't get it. But that's not because his ramblings are too deep for you, it's because his opinion does not make any sense at all and is full of contradictions, most even on the same page.
The same applies to GC. Here, watch this fine educational video by DraconisMarch:
http://blip.tv/draconismarch/rant-review-pretentiousness-kara-no-kyoukai-6486214
After that, look at GC. Notice similarities?


And last, but not least: You can of course enjoy this anime, but we'll have a problem if you think that personal enjoyment somehow cancels out the objectively bad writing and other obvious flaws. Some people do like Michael Bay movies, yet they don't proclaim them to be masterpieces (and if they do, they're retards you shouldn't associate with).



I am sure ignoring every mistake or flaw is something that will get you very far in life...
Critcism is a means of improvement, people who criticize very harshly are usually people who strive for moe, who expect more. And this belief in a medium is certainly a good thing, as it pushes forwards the boundary of said medium and is ultimately the reason why things such as Tatami Galaxy or Lain exist: Because are not only satified ith petty entertainment.
Why don't you try out these series? If you are able to enjoy GC, you will most likely be blown away by these entries.

jaejunn said:
People only hate this anime because they don't understand the meaning of it. Sure it's not perfect and some things are hard to comprehend but overall it had a good meaning to the story. It's meaning is based on religion hence the reason why most people say it sucks or doesn't understand.

Omniknight said:


You have my attention.
You have 1000 words to explain in concise form the meaning of this "story."

Osuras said:
K...I'm not gonna troll...hard...But let me say Guilty Crown had an INGENIOUS idea of Introns, this very idea is what kept me watching this melodramatic piece of ****. I kid you not, if it simply had a decent plot, this show would have been a MILLION times better. Besides that noncore point, that one character in particular (I don't recall her name simply because I hated her ideals) had this ludicrous idea of a king...which seemed odd and didn't fit any of the plot...SO in conclusion, this series could have been WAYYYYYYY better. Case closed.

Red_Keys said:
And complaining isn't trolling. But maybe it is, because you obviously didn't pay enough attention to the story to notice the plot. You don't even remember a main character's name.

Osuras said:


I discarded any notion of plot from that series because it gainsaid at every possible opportunity it was given. If you're trying to say that it somehow has a plot, you'd better back it up.

Red_Keys said:
The asinine statement that it has "no plot" can be refuted quite easily.

Osuras said:
You're absolutely right, so I'll take that back and say it's brouhaha of superflous happenings in a seemingly progressive order. I was exaggerating to a degree, however, allow me to elaborate. When I say "something has no plot", It fails to draw my attention for several reasons, possibly because the series is contradictory, perhaps it's because the characters are paper thin in terms of personality and potential, or perhaps it's because a series draws three un-similar religious points into a juxtaposed knot of dissonance. In the case of Guilty Crown, it happens to be all three of these.

Red_Keys said:
Which is where I go back to my original statement.

BloodRequiem said:
You should check out Sword Art Online then. It's this show's even more retarded inbred cousin.

Nidhoeggr said:


So you just whine and insult people because you lack arguments, Red_keys?



I think GC is worse, both are absolutely horrible though.

Hidden_Joker said:


Im gonna get so much shit for this. but hey.

I actually quite enjoyed SAO and GC. Although didnt like the GC ending.
But both were fairly decent shows.

I mean. Not OMG masterpiece, but decent show. Fun watch.

Nidhoeggr said:


You can enjoy it all the way you want. Hell, I enjoy ripping this series apart as well.
But personal enjoyment does not cancel our objective flaws and people should never, ever place profane things such as "fun" in reviews or other occasions where a baalnced view should be the norm.

Hidden_Joker said:


True, but I see anime as more of a form of entertainment. I mean as long as it entertains, it's good. I can objectively point out all of it's flaws and tear it apart, but I really dont see the point, since if it's enjoyable, then good enough for me. (although i wont deny that it has flaws).

Nidhoeggr said:


Movies and books are entertainment as well and there are plenty of critics who -rightfully - criticize blockbusters for their generic and bad writing. Why should anime be an exception?

Hidden_Joker said:


Just my way of looking at things. I dont bother trying to look for every plot hole and fallacy a piece has. Even if it has some flaws, I overlook it cuz the overall effect it had on me was positive. I mean i do primarily look for plot oriented shows, but I wont go out of my way to look for every flaw or plot hole it has as long as I enjoy the show.

Nidhoeggr said:
Well, when I look for a show with a plot I see through that the plot is as good as possible - I don't want to waste my time reading/watching the same mediocre story ten times over in a different disguise. So of course I want a coherent, consistent and natural flowing story with good theming. GC doesn't manage that, yet it gains praise because a lot of people apparently think contradicting themind and massive plotholes constitute a good story when it is the exact opposite. And people with this misperceptions actually write most of the shitty rewviews here on MAL, not to mention they mostly do it although the anime at hand hasn't even finished yet. And as long as those idiots exist and the MAL system allows such idiocy to happen I will argue against it.

Nidhoeggr said:


So you just whine and insult people because you lack arguments, Red_keys?

ihateuimeanit said:


Yeah sure... but anime critics are way worst o.o
out of 10 animes they will only say that 1 anime is ok --not even YAY that's good.
And I agree with that person, animes are personal enjoyment not a toy to critize every second :)

RockerXD said:


Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is shit to a person. So that's pretty accurate. You can enjoy something, but that alone will not mean something is actually good if you look at it critically. Anime(no s) is a medium for story-telling, it is no different in that regard for movies. And this is a discussion board, anything is up to criticism if the person watched it. If everyone agrees with each other, then there is no discussion.

I still heavily count entertainment of the show, but when it derps in the rules/logic the story sets hard and makes it really clear, then it just kills it.

RockerXD said:
Anime(no s)

Hidden_Joker said:


True, but I see anime as more of a form of entertainment. I mean as long as it entertains, it's good. I can objectively point out all of it's flaws and tear it apart, but I really dont see the point, since if it's enjoyable, then good enough for me. (although i wont deny that it has flaws).

orzel286 said:
Wait wat? SAO even more retarded than guilty crap?




MUST WATCH!


Too bad that there wasn't season 2 of gc. I liked to drop this "show" every week.