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| Ushio is really adorable and I like her characteristics acting like a boy not like her mother who was shy a mouse, it must be pretty boring being with Tomoya after going through all of those things, actually I don't blame him. |
| I always thought the girl running in the ending was Nagisa, guess I was wrong. Ushio is precious, even more than anyone else. |
| Around the gif~ "It's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car" - Shiori Takatsuki |
| Are you serious? Leaving and almost ignoring your freaking child for 5 years? What a nightmare.. No matter what happens, no matter how much of an awful human being you are, It's your child, you have to take responsibility and don't give up. It's like all those years spent with Nagisa was nothing for him, all those promises.. Like father, like son. Devastating. The good thing is, Ushio have grandparents. |
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| Wtfff.... I didn't read ep 16 forum before I watched 17 cause I didn't wanna get spoiled.. But it's really true she's gone omg. I didn't play the game so I couldn't have known anything, I'm really shocked lol. But Ushio is precious. But I'm actually more concerned about ossan and Sanae. Tomoya is clearly shown taking the worst pill, but what about them who sacrificed so much for their only child, only to be left ahead again. After all that backstory we watched in earlier episodes we didn't get to see how they processed that heartbreaking incident. And also Tomoya acted selfishly by leaving the baby to their care, like wtf? I'm furious. Crying again. |
nr101May 17, 2018 12:34 PM
| Jesus, this was depressing. Tomoya leaving Ushio, who barely interacts with him; the depression after Nagisa's death... He is screwing everything up... Also, I must say, Ushio's introduction was one of the best I have ever seen. She is soo cute; I feel so bad for her, growing up without her parents. |
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| Also, are the opening lyrics supposed to be from Tomoya's perspective? That would make a lot of sense. |
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| Well, not really feeling clannad afterstory thar much..... |
| Gnyo ho! |
| What's really sad about Tomoya's depression and state of mind is that I'm sure Sanae and Akio are extremely grateful that Nagisa met, dated, married, and had a kid with Tomoya. Aside from her parents, Tomoya was probably the best thing to ever happen to Nagisa, but he's too wrapped up in his current misery to notice that. I'm glad Nagisa's parents are there to support him (and especially Ushio) while he sorts through the pain and loss. |
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| Half adorable, half soul crushing depression. Great episode |
| I was expecting a very depressing episode after the last one, especially dealing with Nagisa's death. I'm just a viewer and I'm feeling down, can't even imagine what Tomoya is feeling. It seems like history has repeated itself. Tomoya is becoming somewhat like his own father who didn't look after him. But it seems it's not going to be the same path. It's great that Sanae and Akio are there to take care of Ushio, but it's not right to just leave your child to be raised by their grandparents when you're still perfectly alive and capable of doing that. Ushio should be Tomoya's reason to live now. She is the product of Tomoya and Nagisa's love, and Nagisa basically gave her life to give birth to Ushio. It'd be sad if Ushio grew up without her father being around that much. And it's not right for Tomoya to be like this because beside the fact that it is definitely wrong, how would he ever face Nagisa? Would Nagisa ever have allowed this? But maybe it's also because it's really painful to see Ushio, especially seeing how she's really similar to Nagisa. This episode was so sad, but so heartwarming and hopeful too seeing them having actual father-daughter time and hopefully the start of Tomoya moving forward after Nagisa's unfortunate death. So the one skipping along was Ushio all along. That was some great animation, loved how smooth it was going from Ushio skipping along the road to the ED. This time, the ED fit perfectly, especially with the more upbeat and hopeful tone of the end of the episode. But last episode, the ED just completely ruined it. Here's hoping for Tomoya and Ushio to fix their relationship and become a true family once again, for Nagisa's sake too. It's still sad though. I miss Nagisa :( It feels empty without her, and emptier knowing she won't be there anymore. |
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| This is quite depressing. I can't believe Nagisa died for real. Looking at Tomoya just makes me sad. Gosh what a trainwreck of feelings. |
| The only opinion that should matter to you is yours. |
| I didn't expect Tomoya to be such a bad parent. I'm disappointed. |
| 7-8 years after graduating and Tomoya still remains the same in terms of looks. Forever young ♪ Now seriously, time skips sure are a bother in this series. I personally would have really liked to see how the people who gave their all (Akio and Sanae) to raise their only child digested such heartbreaking moment. So five years neglecting your daughter, uh? Well, it seems Tomoya isn't that different from his father after all. He still has time to change that pathetic behaviour tho. |
| And here I thought that she's gonna survive but in the end she's not now I'm so depressed, anyway looks like that Okazaki is most likely the same as his father now I bet he knows how it felt, ok now for Ushio she is so cute she's like the reincarnation of Nagisa and her voice is perfect it sounds like a baby, the ending on this episode was great love what they did there. |
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| WHY? WHY IS THERE A TIME SKIP?? This show is beginning to get on my nerves again. Whenever there's the opportunity for complex characterisation it runs away screaming for the hills. Why would they develop all the supporting characters if they had no intention of using them? I thought the central theme of this show was the importance of family and friends, especially when it comes to facing adversity. Once again, I don't understand why this series is so tragic to the overwhelming majority. There isn't any reason to cry over something which is sad for the sake of being sad. I feel like a dick for invalidating feelings, but I can't shake the frustration. |
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| Without Nagisa the story feels really empty and way more depressing and it hurts. I don't love Ushio so far but there's potential so I'm excited to see more. Last episode I hated the way they used the outro/ending but this episode, it was the completed opposite and it was the best way the ending could have been used. The transition felt very natural and it blended it in perfectly. |
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| For quite a few episodes now, Tomoya has been making me feel useless. Now Ushio makes me feel that I have been useless ever since I was at her age. |
| "You don't become Hokage in order to be acknowledged by the village. The one who is acknowledged by everyone, is the one who becomes Hokage." Uchiha Itachi, Naruto Shippuden |
| powerful opening monologue by Tomoya. I liked how the anime added lines around his eyes to show the stress, drinking, and smoking have done to his aging process. But overall, i was mostly bored this episode. |
| Seems very distant and cold to his own daughter. Having bad lifestyle, smoking and overwork. I dont know how to feel about this.The sequence Ushio walk blend perfectly with the Ed nice touch. will see how it goes from here |
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| So I was right that the person running in the ED would be Tomoya's child. I think the Sanae and Akio set Tomoya up to make him spend time with his daughter. Can't believe he neglected her for 5 years. Maybe Tomoya will be willing to talk to his father because he's becoming him and if he doesn't start taking care of Ushio, she will become him too. I hope they talk more about what happened after we saw Nagisa lose consciousness after giving birth. Idk if she died or if she's in a coma or what |
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| Tomoya hated his father for how he raised him only for him to now become the same as his father, I wonder if he even realizes he became what he hated the most. All children deserve parents but not all parents deserve children and Tomoya definitely doesn't deserve Ushio. Honestly Tomoya should have necked himself a long time ago and just let Sanae and Akio take care of Ushio. |
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| oh wow, pretty cute episode of Ushio after the tragic death of Nagisa. yeah, he's a shitbag becoming like his father. bullshit |
| Poor Tomoya, he really went the same path his father did after expierencing such terrible loss. Him not taking care of Ushio during these years is just depressing and very unfortunate. Ushio is just soo cute, must protect her at all cost |
| This show took on a completely different vibe. Wow. Bruh Tomoya doesn't even feel like Ushio's dad. Also, guys never google character names. I forgot a character's name and googled it and ended up getting spoiled. Wow, I never learn. Funny how genetics work in anime. Kids either come out looking exactly like their parents or nothing like them at all. Tomoya really left his daughter with her grandparents... I get he was depressed but you still have Ushio my man. |
| Naoko Yamada's direction of this episode was great! |
| https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [WATCH THIS^^^] |
| Bro the transition into the ED. Magnificent I said I was gonna see you guys at the end and watch the remaining episodes straight through, but it looks like I'm going to have to pause for this one at least because I just wanna say that I super appreciate how they handled all this: Instead of having a full episode (or perhaps even several for that matter) of what you'd expect to be Tomoya being depressed, they just show tidbits of that, and we fast-forward 5 years into the future, where his daughter is running around and speaking full sentences. We are spared the most of the pain and sorrow that Tomoya went through, because we more or less can expect what that'd be like. Instead we see him several years later where he is more or less recovering from it all. We get a brief depiction of his time of grieving and depression, and we quickly move on to the important stuff: that being his relationship with his daughter, Ushio. That's why I was quite puzzled when Sanae-san showed up at the door all happy like nothing ever happened. I was like, was your daughter's death just like whatever??? And then we see 5-year-old Ushio so it all makes sense. I am expecting a scene later where they all break down one last time as they remember Nagisa. And they haven't shown Akio yet.... I'm sure he is going to get an emotional scene later on. Perhaps he grieved harder for Nagisa than even Tomoya. I can only imagine The next episode, episode 18: The Ends of the Earth, is one that I've seen quite a bit of talk about, and surely something evidently occurs as that is also the episode with the most discussion thread replies after the last episode. I am ready. Or maybe not... |
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| Ooooooo the legs at the start of ED were Ushio's, didn't see that coming. Well to be honest didn't see any of this coming. I'm still too depressed even after I gave myself a break of 12+ hours after watching last episode. I thought waching K-on will take my mind off of ep 16 but well. And you know it doesn't help that Ushio looks exactly like Nagisa. In the first part of episode, seeing a depressed Tomoya, just working, smoking was just too damn depressing to watch. I know they tried to put happy and cute scenes with Ushio in this episode but man that didn't help at all. It's just making me more depressed thinking how currrent Ushio's life is and what it could have been and how current Tomoya's life is and what it could have been. I wish I could go back to the time before watching ep 16. Note to self: Don't recommend watching Clannad to any of your friends. |
TsutanaiFuunJul 7, 2022 11:46 PM
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| If I put myself in Tomoya's shoes I understand perfectly but as a viewer I'm like "Tomoya hdp you have a beautiful girl and you don't take care of her or do anything for her for 5 years? you became what you hated hdp" (I don't criticize him, It's just a fleeting thought xd) But I think back to everything Tomoya suffered and I cry again. I hope something like this never happens to me. |
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| Like father, like son |
| Tomoya is experiencing the same feelings his farther has when his mother died. Going through the same emotions I am sure if of sorrow, doubt, regret and many others. Both are a shell of themselves at this point, but his father never got support that Tomoya did. I doubt he will remain this way, but it is sad to see him in this state. It is impossible for most of us to imagine living on, without the love our life like this. I am sure Ushio just reminds him of everything he lost, with Nagisa so it is tough for him to love her. |
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| Ushio is like mini-Nagisa just without her politeness The episode to ED transition was really good, at first I thought that the girl in the ED was Nagisa |
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| USHIO IS THE CUTEST THING I EVER SEEN WAAAAAAAA <33333 >v< OwO My god tomoya was being fight club mode for almost 5 years, but if me, who was entirely shocked for one entire day and worried form the next chapter following Nagisa's death i can't imagine how hard tomoya's heart was damaged, god bless that ushio saves it from mental instability. Now that i think about it, it's the "after" of the after story haha |
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