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Raziel1991 said: ssjokg said: Raziel1991 said: Yeah I know that, but doesnt his Independant Action skill allow him to remain in the world for some time even after his spiritual core is crtically damaged? Not sure where you got this. Type Moon wiki http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills#Independent_Action B: Capable of remaining in this world for two days without an established contract. Also capable of living on for a short period of time after suffering extensive damage on his spiritual core. What I mean is,where is the source on that? |
Forgetfulness said: We don't even know what Archer did. We just know is that he left after the fight and appeared later. For all we know he could have been eating humans. And as we saw with caster, he would have no problems doing that It is a possibility and could happen as the very last resort even if it goes against his char and role as a Counter Guardian to attack unrelated people, but we dont know. That we dont know what happened is the problem. In Touma's case though we know some other effects of his power.Even that he keeps getting up again and again could be said to be his right arm's |
Forgetfulness said: So...now that I've caught up with the episodes, I wanna ask which part you were referring to when you said that Misaka made an asspull. Cause I can't remember a scene like that :| It's not in Railgun S, it's in the novel later on. I don't think it's an ass pull however, given it fits perfectly with what her abilities are capable of (I feel the same in regards to Touma's actions thus far in Railgun) and is entirely reasonable based on the information we have on Biribiri and her intelligence in regards to how she can use her power even on the fly. I've got no intentions of entering this discussion, so neither of you pull me in please. |
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| Actually it is in a Railgun novel and is the arc that many wanted to see after the Sister's arc. It was an asspull on the level of "hey I can also do this even if I never said that before".Yes she has the ability and intelligence to do it,it still came out of nowhere especially when according to the narration she thought it right then and didnt know the details of the whole thing. If we had a similar scene with Touma: Hell people called the event in the end |
| this episode is sooooooo moving . Mikoto cries ;( |
Cloudy-Sky said: AWWW MY GOOOOOOOOOD. This episode was godlike. Like really it was sooooooooooooooo well made. Cant say it better myself. GODLIKE Probably one of the most well done episodes I have ever seen out of every anime I have ever seen in my life. |
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| Dat ending <3 Really lovely episode and well I can't just get enough from Misaka and Touma! |
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| Touma x Misaka love quarrel <3 I love this episode. Better than the Index version |
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| Great. Great episode. Great. Great. Great. I can't really find words to describe the episode, I really like it in Index but this time.. wow. Though Mikoto's tears in the end looked a bit big. Not like it matters. :P |
| Oh, yes, they made a remake of one of the most dramatic episodes in TMNI, and they did it really well. I mean it wasn't good enough back in TMNI, even though I felt that the whole scene was really dramatic even back then it lacked something. |
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| 5/5 While reviewing it and trying yet another déjà vu, I agree to consider it in all respects, better than I saw in TAMnI. Here the undergrowth of thoughts and reflections fans rise dialogues and they are able to understand melgar because you have no way to assimilate it easy! Great value also has graphics that due to the mimicry makes it true! Narration as I said, very nice you can taste the sadness and pain of the protagonist and the idiot Touma becomes tremendously badass with that interpretation! ^ _ ^ Very beautiful designs and animations good. Kuroko less positive protagonist! XD |
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dniv said: ^ ThisI will review again after subtitles. Initial Perception: OST: 13/10. Animation: 14/10. Content: Sum of the harmonic series (infinity)/10 Presentation: 12/10. Enjoyment: What do you think it is? :D This episode was perfection! Damn I loved it so much :,D |
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| This was a great episode. I just wish I liked Touma. While yes, he is helping Mikoto, it annoys me for some reason. He learns about the plan and helps her end it within one day. She has been fighting this for weeks alone, trying everything. And Touma can just come and fix it. |
| If Touma is a DEM,has plot armor,hax powers because of his powers, then what about every other char? |
| I didn't meant to imply that I think there was necessarily a better way to end the arc. It just annoys me that Touma is able to step in and fix everything (though he doesn't do it alone). I can't offer a better alternative, I just don't like it. I guess I would have rather Mikoto involved other Railgun characters instead of keeping everything a secret. But I know it was to protect them...and even more so just because Railgun is a side-story to an already existing plot. This is just meant to flesh out and give a different POV on something Index already covered. |
Goldzero said: Losing an arm and the amount of blood that comes with that is way more lethal than any injury in any other battle he had up to NT volume 8.What did he do then?dniv said: Dniv you know im not trying to insult the touMAN or anything but allot of the injuries he took should have killed him 3x over.GarLogan78 said: I didn't meant to imply that I think there was necessarily a better way to end the arc. It just annoys me that Touma is able to step in and fix everything (though he doesn't do it alone). I can't offer a better alternative, I just don't like it. I guess I would have rather Mikoto involved other Railgun characters instead of keeping everything a secret. But I know it was to protect them...and even more so just because Railgun is a side-story to an already existing plot. This is just meant to flesh out and give a different POV on something Index already covered. You could also think about it this way. This arc demonstrated an inkling of just how dark Academy City's Darkness is. Part of the unfairness of everything that Mikoto is going through, culminates when she cries out for help. The fact that Touma can save Mikoto, but she can't save herself even though she's one of the 7 level fives highlights the fact that almost everyone in the city is powerless in the face of Academy City's darkness. This makes their victory somewhat saddening at the same time. I think this is one of the larger points glossed over when people see this. Some of her clones have already died, Mikoto felt guilty enough to blow up laboratories and offer killing herself to stop the project. The city is messed up. The fact that only Touma seems to be able to save her, isn't happy or nice. That's part of the reason why this arc is so bone-chillingly good. If everything were simple, and the weak could always beat the strong, Academy City wouldn't even exist. This, as opposed to many shonen series, in my opinion, doesn't have much plot armor scenes (Anything that looks like plot armor just results from the viewer not knowing nearly enough about the series...It's pretty complicated without a lot of important details). If characters should lose, they'll probably lose, and the same thing happens with winning fights. |
| yeah.. touma has found the papper :3 this is it.. the battle is near!!! XDD gonna love it I think.. damn touma! what a guy.. that moment when misaka giving her lap to touma <3 yeah.. that blushing face of misaka <3 |
| damn that cat is tough to kill i guess Touma only let a fraction Misakas power touch him? otherwise he should be dead |
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silversaint said: damn that cat is tough to kill i guess Touma only let a fraction Misakas power touch him? otherwise he should be dead It is stated in the light novel that Misaka was subconsciously holding back.Touma cant choose between letting some power affect him or negating everything.His hand always negates whatever supernatural phenomena it comes into contact with.Other wise he wouldnt be in shitty situations further in the story(as in negating healing magic that was cast on him) |
| This episode was fantastic. That whole entire bridge scene was so much better than the one in Index. Not really sure if it was the higher budget overall and better technology but one thing for sure is they used the OST WAY more efficiently and I think Rina Satou's skills as a voice actor simply improved a lot compared to what it was back in Index. 6/5 |
| So many feels on this episode... had to make a gif set as well: http://deventh.tumblr.com/post/83875013882/toumaxmisakaep14 |
| Touma now knows all the truth about the clones.... thats good but weird at the same time,i mean how does Touma discovers about all that and not being even a close friend and Shirai that is like a sister didn't discovered... Touma is the only guy that is supporting her.This Touma is such a BOSS! OMG What a man,what a guy!He is the real one.He is awesome <3 He didn't step back....wow :D I admire him. |
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| accelerator vs touma next! so much nostalgia from index |
| Touma enters mc mode |
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saltncheese said: Kamijou Touma...the man who can't be moved. I was thinking the same thing. xD |
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| oh holy crap, that was a really good episode. the ost fits the mood well, and the animation is very smooth. 9999/10 |
| Recommend me an anime |
| I loved this episode. One of the best of this series. A pretty nice OST to accompany the bridge scene. Much better done than the Index series. Accelerator vs Touma NEXT TIME! |
| No one can stop the Tou-MAN train : / Not even being a supporting character |
| Meh, Index again with some added things.. |
>MFW the episode end Seriously, I had already seen that scene in the first season of Index, but it hit way harder in that season. When you knows all the despair that she was carrying, it was really heartbreaking to see Misaka being that desperated to the point of killing herself. I even shed a few manly tears :'( Well, I guess a lot of us were waiting for that episode. Probably the best of the Toaru serie. It really have an impact that no other episodes give. Biribiri got ToumaPunched right in the heart. Goddamnit, autor, makes that shit OTP already for fuck sake!! |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Wow, that bridge scene was just perfect. It really conveyed the burden Misaka has been carrying and the relief that came with having someone to confide in. This has been a huge step up from season 1 so far without a dull moment to spare. |
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| Re-watched for the nth time.... This episode is really good... :) Touma x Mikoto >///< |
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TallonKarrde23 said: MoonxArtemis said: The fact that the heroine, the main protagonist, would turn out to be a damsel in distress needing her prince to come save her killed it all. Uh, this isn't the first time she was helpless without him in Railgun, she was a "damsel in distress needing her prince" in season 1 already. Otherwise her, a loli, and Uiharu would all be fucking dead right now. Just a reminder. Actually, THAT time she was a damsel in distress - this time she's not fitting into that at all. Claiming she "needs" him in this situation is a bit inaccurate - she CHOSE to be in this situation, so NOW she needs him, but if she just said fuck the clones and was a total piece of shit she could walk away unharmed and fine. She could have never got involved in the first place. Plus, she didn't need him - she had an option, it was a fucking stupid one, but really it makes sense both as a solution and for the character to have come to that idea out of desperation. So claiming she "needed" him in that aspect is also wrong. You can't use the stupid feminist trope of whining about the "damsel in distress" when she isn't that - she's a girl choosing to fight against a force she has no need to fight. It's not like Accelerator is after her and Touma stepped in or something - she's going out of her way to put herself in a situation she simply can't handle without going to a very extreme plan (letting Accel kill her). I mean, really, will you claim any series that has a female character end up needing help is just pulling the damsel in distress card? Yes, she was remembering her own words from a prior episode, but the actual idea of it does not fit in the context you're using it in. She's getting help from a friend because he's factually, within the story, more capable of fighting this specific enemy. This wouldn't apply in the case of the girls - none of them have an ability capable of fighting Accelerator and would with about a 100% probability be ripped to pieces and brutally killed like all the clones and like Biribiri herself (who is also the strongest of the group). It's funny, you're complaining about her being a damsel in distress only because a male stepped in to help her, yet you'd be fine if some girl was there instead - please keep your feminist and women empowerment issues from infecting anime discussions so needlessly.  |
| I'm not a fan of repetitive story-line but this is more detailed than the Index I. Did Misaka cry during Index I??? I don't remember. This is out of discussion but if Misaka sister was born with long hair, how much time did the scientist spend on cutting 20,000 worth hair?? 3.4/5 |
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| This episode is god-tier! OH god! The feels! Railgun S nailed it better than Index I. Holy SHIT! Taking Misaka's POV and learning about her dark secret and what she's thinking. Best Toaru series. Touma x Misaka OTP. +Misaka 10032 cause why not? |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Personally I didn't find Index's portrayal of the scene particularly at fault. It's kind of hard to explain, but there just something missing from it that Railgun captured. Perhaps it was the perspective that really changed it for me. Also, this is an episode of Index I've seen and from what I remember it was handled like most of Index and didn't really evoke much of any feelings for me. Maybe that's a fault with the anime adaptation rather than the source material, but this time both Biribiri and Touma were just fucking incredibly handled in the whole bridge scene. The music and art in Railgun S in comparison is obviously much better in this scene - but the voice acting is what really got me. Rina Satou pulled off an amazing and beautiful performance, probably the best yet that I've heard from her as Mikoto or in any of her other roles. Probably one of the best performances I've heard in anime in general. Actually, this entire EPISODE is probably one of the very best things I've seen in anime in my experience. It was really just fucking incredible. We all know that Touma isn't picky about who he chooses to save. Him helping Mikoto and the Sisters isn't anything out of the ordinary. Sure we know the experiments are bad and we see how horrible they are. But we never get to truly see Mikoto's perspective of it. Her despair at trying multiple different ideas and all of them failing one after the other. Knowing all of this information and looking back at Index, I can certainly appreciate the adaptation more, even though I prefer Railgun's overall. And on your other point I have to agree, it probably was the best episode in the entire series. |
| 5/5, or 10/10 whichever you prefer, amazing episode and that bridge scene!!! That bridge scene was probably the singular best scene in the entirety of Index anime for me, as a testament to that, it was the most memorable/fond scene to me, and I still remember it even though I've only seen Index once almost a decade ago, and from that point on, ToumaxBiribiri became a thing I furiously pursuit. Greatly written, greatly animated. TouMAN is bestbro. |
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| The bridge scene was even more amazing than in Index. Dem Mikasa tears ;_; |
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| Please don't crai mikoto.... T^T |
| WOW. GOD TIER EPISODE. And I think best in the series yet, in terms of emotions of course. The scene in S1 didn't leave an impact but damn, this episode hit right in the feels. And I actually saw Touma being really cool for once out there. Can't handle Misaka crying like that. Even I teared up a little bit. My poor cutie :( Just wait Touma resolves everything and all, girl :) |
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