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Jul 29, 2013 4:27 AM
#51
But Rin goes on a date too.... |
Sep 7, 2013 3:50 PM
#52
The more I am watching this series the more I want to play Fate route again. Don't get me wrong first half of this series is pretty good up to episode 13 or so but after that it lacks emotions in the moments where there should be ones. This episode was somehow true to the game and I was glad they brought up some of Shirou's thougths again but in VN that bridge scene with Saber and Shirou had much bigger impact in terms of emotions. For some reason I didn't see any affection or love between those two in this anime. And this episode even failed to explain that reason why Shirou took Saber on this date in the first place - to show her she can live in this world, to let her know he cares for her, to have some fun at least, to recognize her as human being. It saddens me because in the game those characters had their very reason to act this way but sadly this reason is almost nonexistent here. ssjokg said: But Rin goes on a date too.... I still think that Rin's date during UBW is lot better because both of them goes with him. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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Sep 19, 2013 9:30 PM
#53
I loved the date scene ^__^ I kinda wish that this episode would've just ended happily with them heading home, but whatever. EDIT: I forgot to mention that when Rin started to laugh, I also started to laugh XD |
May 17, 2014 7:44 PM
#54
I personally really enjoyed this episode.I know some say dont have any chemestry but from episode 1 till now I personally feel it.I also felt both had their points on the bridge scene.The only off part was shirou running away after the argument.Wellp on to the next episode. |
Jul 10, 2014 3:25 PM
#55
Rin's reaction mirrored my own, hahahahaha. Shirou's really selfish and naive, but he sucks at talk no jutsu so he really fails at the end of the day. He and Saber are a horrible match anyway, imo. I still can't perceive how he turned into Archer StardustReverie said: This, lol.Honestly, I'm not watching this for the plot anymore and shirou and saber can just fuck off. I'm watching this for Rin. |
MeritasAug 7, 2014 5:36 AM
Jul 11, 2014 8:25 AM
#56
Meritas said: I still can't perceive how he _____________. For the sake of everyone who didn't spoil themselves already, you should spoiler tag the part that isn't revealed in the story, even though hints were dropped. But to answer this (only read it if you want an answer): Shirou is someone who was reborn as a hollow being after he was saved by his stepfather. You say Shirou is selfish(ly selfless) and naive, but so is Archer actually. They save people (or at least try to) for the sake of saving people. Being a hero isn't enough, they want to be "champions of justice/superheroes", so that no one in their view must cry anymore, as childish and idealistic as it sounds. Archer-Shirou's first major failure was Ilya's death, she was one of the people he cared about the most. Archer-Shirou then kept trying to make his ideal come true and ended up becoming a heroic spirit as a result. For more info, play the Unlimited Blade Works route. No, don't watch the movie, play the game. Edit: In before Fai shows up and wants to give more details I intentionally left out. |
CapsuleCoreJul 11, 2014 8:33 AM
Jul 11, 2014 8:39 AM
#57
C-Core said: Meritas said: I still can't perceive how he _____________. For the sake of everyone who didn't spoil themselves already, you should spoiler tag the part that isn't revealed in the story, even though hints were dropped. But to answer this (only read it if you want an answer): Shirou is someone who was reborn as a hollow being after he was saved by his stepfather. You say Shirou is selfish(ly selfless) and naive, but so is Archer actually. They save people (or at least try to) for the sake of saving people. Being a hero isn't enough, they want to be "champions of justice/superheroes", so that no one in their view must cry anymore, as childish and idealistic as it sounds. Archer-Shirou's first major failure was Ilya's death, she was one of the people he cared about the most. Archer-Shirou then kept trying to make his ideal come true and ended up becoming a heroic spirit as a result. For more info, play the Unlimited Blade Works route. No, don't watch the movie, play the game. Edit: In before Fai shows up and wants to give more details I intentionally left out. Archer also lost Ilya? Fuck my memory really is fucked up. |
Jul 11, 2014 8:45 AM
#58
-Riptide- said: C-Core said: Meritas said: I still can't perceive how he _____________. For the sake of everyone who didn't spoil themselves already, you should spoiler tag the part that isn't revealed in the story, even though hints were dropped. But to answer this (only read it if you want an answer): Shirou is someone who was reborn as a hollow being after he was saved by his stepfather. You say Shirou is selfish(ly selfless) and naive, but so is Archer actually. They save people (or at least try to) for the sake of saving people. Being a hero isn't enough, they want to be "champions of justice/superheroes", so that no one in their view must cry anymore, as childish and idealistic as it sounds. Archer-Shirou's first major failure was Ilya's death, she was one of the people he cared about the most. Archer-Shirou then kept trying to make his ideal come true and ended up becoming a heroic spirit as a result. For more info, play the Unlimited Blade Works route. No, don't watch the movie, play the game. Edit: In before Fai shows up and wants to give more details I intentionally left out. Archer also lost Ilya? Fuck my memory really is fucked up. Well, that's only really revealed in additional material, but yes, Ilya's death was the first major blow. That was inevitable though, since she dies anyway one year after the 5th War because of her homunculus body. Doesn't mean it didn't shock Archer. There is no exact reason given why she died, but it's probably because the Einzberns didn't think it was necessary to make her live longer than she needed to. The only thing that could have saved her was Heaven's Feel and... well, you know why that wasn't possible. |
Jul 11, 2014 8:57 AM
#59
C-Core said: -Riptide- said: C-Core said: Meritas said: I still can't perceive how he _____________. For the sake of everyone who didn't spoil themselves already, you should spoiler tag the part that isn't revealed in the story, even though hints were dropped. But to answer this (only read it if you want an answer): Shirou is someone who was reborn as a hollow being after he was saved by his stepfather. You say Shirou is selfish(ly selfless) and naive, but so is Archer actually. They save people (or at least try to) for the sake of saving people. Being a hero isn't enough, they want to be "champions of justice/superheroes", so that no one in their view must cry anymore, as childish and idealistic as it sounds. Archer-Shirou's first major failure was Ilya's death, she was one of the people he cared about the most. Archer-Shirou then kept trying to make his ideal come true and ended up becoming a heroic spirit as a result. For more info, play the Unlimited Blade Works route. No, don't watch the movie, play the game. Edit: In before Fai shows up and wants to give more details I intentionally left out. Archer also lost Ilya? Fuck my memory really is fucked up. Well, that's only really revealed in additional material, but yes, Ilya's death was the first major blow. That was inevitable though, since she dies anyway one year after the 5th War because of her homunculus body. Doesn't mean it didn't shock Archer. There is no exact reason given why she died, but it's probably because the Einzberns didn't think it was necessary to make her live longer than she needed to. The only thing that could have saved her was Heaven's Feel and... well, you know why that wasn't possible. For a second there I thought I forgot another major detail about F/SN. Did Archer participated in the Holy Grail War when he was teenage Shirou? That would mean if he lost Ilya after the Grail War then his Grail War was the Fate route right? OT since we're now talking about things completely unrelated to the episode: I used to like the date scene when I first saw it. Thought it was pretty cute. Well that was before I read the vn so.. |
Jul 11, 2014 9:10 AM
#60
-Riptide- said: For a second there I thought I forgot another major detail about F/SN. Did Archer participated in the Holy Grail War when he was teenage Shirou? That would mean if he lost Ilya after the Grail War then his Grail War was the Fate route right? OT since we're now talking about things completely unrelated to the episode: I used to like the date scene when I first saw it. Thought it was pretty cute. Well that was before I read the vn so.. Archer participated in the Grail War, but he is not Fate-Shirou. Nasu declared Shirou can still become Archer in all three routes and the most likely route where this can happen is Fate, but then again, the chance is almost zero, so the answer is: No, Shirou will probably not become Archer in any of the three routes. A popular theory is that the scratched Ilya route is the actual Archer route, though nothing was ever confirmed. There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer needed many years to discover his true spowers and here, he heavily influenced Shirou's story in all three routes. The date scene was kinda okay. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it that much either. It's easier to understand in the VN why Shirou acts the way he does in Fate/the anime series, but even Nasu admitted he made a mistake with all the "but Saber is a girl" crap, since he feared people wouldn't believe that she really is. |
Jul 11, 2014 9:17 AM
#61
C-Core said: -Riptide- said: For a second there I thought I forgot another major detail about F/SN. Did Archer participated in the Holy Grail War when he was teenage Shirou? That would mean if he lost Ilya after the Grail War then his Grail War was the Fate route right? OT since we're now talking about things completely unrelated to the episode: I used to like the date scene when I first saw it. Thought it was pretty cute. Well that was before I read the vn so.. Archer participated in the Grail War, but he is not Fate-Shirou. Nasu declared Shirou can still become Archer in all three routes and the most likely route where this can happen is Fate, but then again, the chance is almost zero, so the answer is: No, Shirou will probably not become Archer in any of the three routes. A popular theory is that the scratched Ilya route is the actual Archer route, though nothing was ever confirmed. There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer influenced Shirou's story in all three routes a lot. The date scene was kinda okay. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it that much either. It's easier to understand in the VN why Shirou acts the way he does in Fate/the anime series, but even Nasu admitted he made a mistake with all the "but Saber is a girl" crap, since he feared people wouldn't believe that she really is. Maybe the Superhero end in Heaven's Feel was the one where Ilya's route would have stem out of HF. It kinda makes sense since in that end Shirou sacrificed Sakura to chase his ideals. Would have been great if we see Shirou kill everyone including Rin just for his dreams of becoming a superhero come true. |
Jul 11, 2014 9:34 AM
#62
-Riptide- said: C-Core said: -Riptide- said: For a second there I thought I forgot another major detail about F/SN. Did Archer participated in the Holy Grail War when he was teenage Shirou? That would mean if he lost Ilya after the Grail War then his Grail War was the Fate route right? OT since we're now talking about things completely unrelated to the episode: I used to like the date scene when I first saw it. Thought it was pretty cute. Well that was before I read the vn so.. Archer participated in the Grail War, but he is not Fate-Shirou. Nasu declared Shirou can still become Archer in all three routes and the most likely route where this can happen is Fate, but then again, the chance is almost zero, so the answer is: No, Shirou will probably not become Archer in any of the three routes. A popular theory is that the scratched Ilya route is the actual Archer route, though nothing was ever confirmed. There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer influenced Shirou's story in all three routes a lot. The date scene was kinda okay. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it that much either. It's easier to understand in the VN why Shirou acts the way he does in Fate/the anime series, but even Nasu admitted he made a mistake with all the "but Saber is a girl" crap, since he feared people wouldn't believe that she really is. Maybe the Superhero end in Heaven's Feel was the one where Ilya's route would have stem out of HF. It kinda makes sense since in that end Shirou sacrificed Sakura to chase his ideals. Would have been great if we see Shirou kill everyone including Rin just for his dreams of becoming a superhero come true. Nah, it's a bad end for a good reason. Shirou doesn't become Archer, he becomes Kiritsugu in the Superhero end and that automatically means betraying Ilya. Killing everyone includes Ilya. You are partially right though. Fate/side said: If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya. But unfortunately, as it stands that choice doesn't exist. |
CapsuleCoreJul 11, 2014 9:41 AM
Jul 11, 2014 9:53 AM
#63
C-Core said: -Riptide- said: C-Core said: -Riptide- said: For a second there I thought I forgot another major detail about F/SN. Did Archer participated in the Holy Grail War when he was teenage Shirou? That would mean if he lost Ilya after the Grail War then his Grail War was the Fate route right? OT since we're now talking about things completely unrelated to the episode: I used to like the date scene when I first saw it. Thought it was pretty cute. Well that was before I read the vn so.. Archer participated in the Grail War, but he is not Fate-Shirou. Nasu declared Shirou can still become Archer in all three routes and the most likely route where this can happen is Fate, but then again, the chance is almost zero, so the answer is: No, Shirou will probably not become Archer in any of the three routes. A popular theory is that the scratched Ilya route is the actual Archer route, though nothing was ever confirmed. There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer influenced Shirou's story in all three routes a lot. The date scene was kinda okay. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it that much either. It's easier to understand in the VN why Shirou acts the way he does in Fate/the anime series, but even Nasu admitted he made a mistake with all the "but Saber is a girl" crap, since he feared people wouldn't believe that she really is. Maybe the Superhero end in Heaven's Feel was the one where Ilya's route would have stem out of HF. It kinda makes sense since in that end Shirou sacrificed Sakura to chase his ideals. Would have been great if we see Shirou kill everyone including Rin just for his dreams of becoming a superhero come true. Nah, it's a bad end for a good reason. Shirou doesn't become Archer, he becomes Kiritsugu in the Superhero end and that automatically means betraying Ilya. Killing everyone includes Ilya. You are partially right though. Fate/side said: If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya. But unfortunately, as it stands that choice doesn't exist. [spoiler]Oh you're right. It still would've been awesome to see Shirou transform into Kiritsugu. Damn if only Nasu made the Ilya route a choice in the game.[/spoilers] |
Jul 11, 2014 5:30 PM
#64
C-Core said: [spoiler]That isnt necessary since HS/CG exist out of time and space axis(or whatever, too lazy to look up the actual term).I cant imagine Rin NOT using the pendant to summon "the best Servant".There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer needed many years to discover his true spowers and here, he heavily influenced Shirou's story in all three routes. Archer-origins route must be a Fate like route(maybe with a little bit HF in it).Archer knew about Saber's wish and had a certain attitude towards it and in Fate, the only thing that Shirou learned was how to trace and it was nowhere near UBW route level. The RM is what it takes years to learn. |
Jul 12, 2014 12:51 AM
#65
ssjokg said: [/quote]C-Core said: [spoiler]That isnt necessary since HS/CG exist out of time and space axis(or whatever, too lazy to look up the actual term).I cant imagine Rin NOT using the pendant to summon "the best Servant".There still must have been universes, where Rin summoned an Archer, who wasn't Heroic Spirit Emiya, though. It must have started somewhere sometime. Archer needed many years to discover his true spowers and here, he heavily influenced Shirou's story in all three routes. Archer-origins route must be a Fate like route(maybe with a little bit HF in it).Archer knew about Saber's wish and had a certain attitude towards it and in Fate, the only thing that Shirou learned was how to trace and it was nowhere near UBW route level. The RM is what it takes years to learn. Oh, I considered Stable Time Loops and paradoxes, but I am still pretty sure there must be a beginning where Rin summoned a different Archer. Sure, Heroic Spirits are removed from time, but the universes are not working parallel in time. In my logic, there must be a timeline the first universe where the information for EMIYA was taken before EMIYA was removed from the time axis and then changed every other possible universe, since Rin would summon him from then on. To prove that, I will go research some magecraft to reach the Root and see the very beginning. There is still information here and there about Archer's past, like how he almost lost an arm (HF jokes incoming) when he used his own form of Gradation Air for the first time, so it's a mixed bag. He does know Saber's wish, but he didn't seem to have a crush on her like Fate-Shirou. Of course the great working relationship between him and Rin still happened, though. (It's noted that he at first didn't know the girl who summoned him was Rin, but when he remembered and said "Then I'll call you Rin. …Yes, it suits you well." it was "thick with a heartfelt and madly passionate affection".) Admittedly, that doesn't really tell us anything, since Rin always becomes good friends (and maybe more) with Shirou at the end. His origin route and his complete past (except for the Fate/Extra parts) were never told though, which is a shame. Well, food for fanfics and speculation I guess. Or more chances for Type-Moon to make money. They should finish the Tsukihime remake, Girls' Work and the other two Mahoyo sequels already. It's time for a new franchise, Nasu. |
CapsuleCoreJul 12, 2014 7:56 AM
Jul 12, 2014 12:16 PM
#66
[spoiler]I used to think that way when I learned his identity,before reading the VN, but after that I came to the conclusion that such a start isnt needed. Sure a timeline where Rin summons a different HS may be possible(by some kind of miracle(or curse) she didnt use the pendant) but it doesnt have to be EMIYA's origin. I mean, I find it very weird for Shirou to be saved by the pendant but then for that to result to nothing, because she somehow didnt use it for the summoning. |
Aug 21, 2014 9:45 PM
#67
Aug 25, 2014 12:43 AM
#68
If a woman is staring void on the top of a bridge for hours, no wonder, she is going to suicide! People must have reported this situation to police in real life. People must have... WHAT PEOPLE? WHY ISN'T THERE ANYONE AROUND? WHY IS THE CITY EMPTY ALL THE TIME?? |
Feb 24, 2015 4:53 AM
#69
Thought this episode would be funnier than that, Shirou doesn't really know how to date huh? |
Apr 22, 2015 6:53 AM
#70
uugh no chemistry at all. I almost puked while watching. He looked creepy when he was trying to place his hand a top of saber's during the cinema scene. Shirou is a huge noob at dates. |
Apr 22, 2015 6:54 AM
#71
Jun 2, 2015 8:06 PM
#72
insan3Inquisitor said: The problem I have with the romance portion of the series is that there isn't any chemistry between Saber and Shirou at all. Indeed. In fact Shirou is too much of a obnoxious moron to be with any of these girls. This episode was stupid. I guess it was a bad idea for me to watch Fate/Zero first. This show is such a disappointment in comparison. Not enough seriousness and action/combat. It's just another stupid harem (btw, are MC's supposed to be unlikeable? Because this is the hundredth time where I've said out loud, "How could so many smart, charming girls be attracted to this a**wipe?" while watching a harem). But enough about my issues. Where in the F*** is Lancer? |
Aug 14, 2015 12:21 PM
#73
So no one managed to answer: why would Saber have to die when she gets the Holy Grail? I am imagining a couple of possibilities. Let me know if one of them is close to the truth. 1) Holy Grails can only be touched by Servants but Saber is not a 100% complete Servant so the Grail could burn her to death? 2) Something to do with her wish? Based on scenes from previous episodes, she got a whole village killed or something? So she wants to go back in time to sacrifice herself? Thus, getting the Grail is like granting her death wish? |
Aug 14, 2015 12:24 PM
#74
That's her contract. To serve the Counter-Force and take a contract as a Counter-Guardian after her death, in exchange for being given the chance to obtain the Grail. Her wish to the Grail is to erase her reign from history, after which she planned to return to the aftermath of Camlann, whereupon she dies shortly after Bedivere takes her away from the hill. |
Aug 14, 2015 3:02 PM
#75
Insertanamehere said: That's her contract. To serve the Counter-Force and take a contract as a Counter-Guardian after her death, in exchange for being given the chance to obtain the Grail. Her wish to the Grail is to erase her reign from history, after which she planned to return to the aftermath of Camlann, whereupon she dies shortly after Bedivere takes her away from the hill. Ah... thank you for your explanation! |
Apr 25, 2016 9:39 PM
#76
Romance . Sometimes you wouldn't end in your favor . SABER KAWAII ~ !! Desires are hard to understand . Great Episode !!! |
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Nov 13, 2016 7:16 PM
#77
Shirou explaining the meaning of a date to Mother Saber and Tsunderin teasing Shirou was hilarious. Lolisviel wanted to join in and was knocked out by Tsunderin. Sadly, the date ended with an argument. |
Jul 11, 2017 9:34 AM
#78
So, hum, how is Arthur going to change the past with the Grail? o_o And I dsomehow doubt this thing about Servants becoming living humans again through a magical sip is true. A date right now ? It comes up pretty weirdly. And because it's a post-sex first date, it was doomed from the start. XD Funny look, this half-god wearing casual clothes. (but since he has lived ten years as a foreigner in Tôkyô, why not) 2/5 The pause before the last line is always good but this one was poorly filled. |
Dec 10, 2017 10:52 AM
#79
Wow....such a snooze fest |
May 27, 2018 11:54 PM
#80
wtf a date? and shirou's an ass. i agree with people saying he's got his head so selfishly inside his ass he can't really see how arrogant he's being. and dude, who had the idea to make their relationship a romance? shirou and saber have no chemistry at all and it all comes off as bad writing. two episodes ago saber was being all girly and out of character and now she's asking him if she's the woman in question when he suggests the date? i do get shirou's intentions in showing her she can be like a human and live like that, but she can't. he's basically asking her to leave everything she believes behind just to stay with him and trying to make it sound like it's for her sake. and if this was the saber from the beginning of the series she would never have stayed on that bridge for that long. kinda pisses me off how now she has feelings she can't think and act for herself. |
Jan 10, 2019 1:31 PM
#81
Man, this was ... so bad. Saber x Shirou is just cringe. Also the brilliant idea of this episode being a slice of life comedy romance was stupid. Only showed how static their setting actually is. Why is a town where hundreds of people die, or get hospitalized daily isn't more famous and people aren't more cautious, instead they are leading their normal lives as if nothing happens? Why are they living in a ghost town? Why do characters suddenly reappear and disappear from the plot whenever they are needed/not needed? Wtf happened to Lancer, Shirous's teacher, and Sakura? Idk man. Why did Gilgamesh reappear out of nowhere at the end, despite Saber being at the bridge for hours? Whatever. Hope the next episode has more going on, cause this one just served to make Shirou's character even more of an obnoxious ass than he already was. |
Jun 9, 2019 8:01 AM
#82
They're seeing a sunken ship when they're dating, lmao. This must be some forshadowing. Also Saber said she destroy the ship when there's no passenger on it, what about the helmsman bruh ? Nanaya-kun said: Why do characters suddenly reappear and disappear from the plot whenever they are needed/not needed? Wtf happened to Lancer, Shirous's teacher, and Sakura? If you mean Kuzuki sensei, he's dead. |
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Nov 8, 2019 1:03 PM
#83
Oct 20, 2021 11:31 AM
#84
The date was nice but that golden cunt who appeared at the end is really pissing me off. He keeps claiming Saber is his property, I hope he gets his ass handed to him soon. |
Mar 5, 2022 7:03 PM
#85
This was a good episode. Their date could have definitely gone better though. |
Apr 29, 2022 3:13 PM
#86
Running away from a girl because you lost in a argument and got pissed off is the most gay shit that I've ever seen |
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Jun 7, 2022 2:19 PM
#87
"Im inlove with her" i kinda knew this was coming eventually lmao |
Jun 13, 2022 10:26 AM
#88
Good episode. Because of the clothes I didn't recognise that it was Gilgamesh lol. |
May 24, 2023 7:01 AM
#89
so we didn't get a fine answer to why this "king" is remained. but it seems he's gonna be the last obstacle? really can't figuring out syber lol. but seen her and shirou is always cute. the only bad thing is that rin gave up on shiro... that preview .... i'm just going to watch it now |
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Jul 24, 2023 11:34 AM
#91
O Shirou pede pra Saber pensar mais nela mesma, mas passou o anime todo só quero se lascar pra proteger os outros. Hipócrita. |
Aug 8, 2023 6:42 AM
#92
Aww they're dating now - It's cool how they thought out the sunken boat before fate zero. - Imo, Shirou was actually in the right here. Saber needs to wake up for herself -It was cute when he came back - Yo Gilgamesh drip???? - Yo Shirou got murked - Shriou stole his girlll |
ApreggiAug 9, 2023 3:58 AM
Nov 18, 2023 3:01 AM
#94
A massive lovers spat and looks like a threesome incoming! |
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