Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: NEXT ROUND berserker Lancelot vs berserker Heracles barely a fight more like slaughter hercules wins But Zero Berserker can fly and stuff... spirit form - get on the plane no problem lancelot cant get past godhand without arondight and once he draws that he will prob take 1 life and get squashed hercules can regen his lives as well |
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| @ataraxial still his NP wouldnt be ranked high enough to hurt heracles |
| wait for the flame war when we get to archer vs Gil... |
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That's true. It goes to a default rank of D or something obnoxiously low iirc. But if it could... well, at least it would be more interesting. TheRealBoyd said: ssjokg said: Hercules would easily win before Lancelot could kill him 12 times, if he even could with God Hand's immunity to being killed by the same thing more than once.NEXT ROUND berserker Lancelot vs berserker Heracles Assuming Heracles could be hurt at all, Zero Berserker could come up with different ways to kill him, a la Emiya. |
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BloodRequiem said: wait for the flame war when we get to archer vs Gil... I wonder if will anyone say that archer should trace Ea.... |
ssjokgApr 30, 2012 4:54 AM
| The thing with Archer and Gilgamesh is that they have a bunch of different weapons to get around that immunity. All of the awesome weapons Lancelot got in Fate/Zero were because of plot, they weren't just lying around. |
ataraxial said: That's true. It goes to a default rank of D or something obnoxiously low iirc. But if it could... well, at least it would be more interesting. TheRealBoyd said: ssjokg said: Hercules would easily win before Lancelot could kill him 12 times, if he even could with God Hand's immunity to being killed by the same thing more than once.NEXT ROUND berserker Lancelot vs berserker Heracles Assuming Heracles could be hurt at all, Zero Berserker could come up with different ways to kill him, a la Emiya. archer could trace stuff and make BPs ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: wait for the flame war when we get to archer vs Gil... I wonder if anyone will say that archer should trace Ea.... or archer tracing avalon... |
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BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: That's true. It goes to a default rank of D or something obnoxiously low iirc. But if it could... well, at least it would be more interesting. TheRealBoyd said: ssjokg said: Hercules would easily win before Lancelot could kill him 12 times, if he even could with God Hand's immunity to being killed by the same thing more than once.NEXT ROUND berserker Lancelot vs berserker Heracles Assuming Heracles could be hurt at all, Zero Berserker could come up with different ways to kill him, a la Emiya. archer could trace stuff and make BPs ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: wait for the flame war when we get to archer vs Gil... I wonder if anyone will say that archer should trace Ea.... or archer tracing avalon... sure he can... if they only watched the anime that is many have that problem. |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: That's true. It goes to a default rank of D or something obnoxiously low iirc. But if it could... well, at least it would be more interesting. TheRealBoyd said: ssjokg said: Hercules would easily win before Lancelot could kill him 12 times, if he even could with God Hand's immunity to being killed by the same thing more than once.NEXT ROUND berserker Lancelot vs berserker Heracles Assuming Heracles could be hurt at all, Zero Berserker could come up with different ways to kill him, a la Emiya. archer could trace stuff and make BPs ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: wait for the flame war when we get to archer vs Gil... I wonder if anyone will say that archer should trace Ea.... or archer tracing avalon... sure he can... if they only watched the anime that is many have that problem. some even wanked as far as archer tracing and using caliburn |
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| Saber with Rin as her master and Avalon gets my vote. Although, raw destructive power and range goes to Gilgamesh. |
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-Shuda- said: Saber with Rin as her master and Avalon gets my vote. Although, raw destructive power and range goes to Gilgamesh. rin saber wont get avalon thats the problem |
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BloodRequiem said: -Shuda- said: Saber with Rin as her master and Avalon gets my vote. Although, raw destructive power and range goes to Gilgamesh. rin saber wont get avalon thats the problem True, but I was considering each servant at their "possible" strongest. All abilities, NP's and Combinations. Rin-Saber with Avalon would be the most versatile imo. |
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-Shuda- said: BloodRequiem said: -Shuda- said: Saber with Rin as her master and Avalon gets my vote. Although, raw destructive power and range goes to Gilgamesh. rin saber wont get avalon thats the problem True, but I was considering each servant at their "possible" strongest. All abilities, NP's and Combinations. Rin-Saber with Avalon would be the most versatile imo. but rin saber with avalon is not canon |
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| Gil is the strongest based on both displayed feats and word of God. He can win the HGW in one night if he wasn't being nerfed b the plot and his own character stupidity. |
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| I probably shouldn't get involved in this... Gilgamesh is just hands down the strongest and if there is a servant stronger, we haven't been shown them yet. Reasons Gil is just better than the rest: All of that sums up what Gilgamesh can do with less than 10% of what he actually has at his disposal. Basically, with the number of Noble Phantasms he has he can hardcounter or completely prevent almost anything and the only reason he ever loses is his ego which has nothing to do with his capabilities as a servant. Ignoring Gilgamesh, the strongest servants are probably (in no order) Iskander, Medea, Lancelot, Karna, Hercules, Archer. For Karna: For Iskander: For Medea: For Lancelot: For Hercules: Archer: |
Thalos said: I probably shouldn't get involved in this... Gilgamesh is just hands down the strongest and if there is a servant stronger, we haven't been shown them yet. Reasons Gil is just better than the rest: All of that sums up what Gilgamesh can do with less than 10% of what he actually has at his disposal. Basically, with the number of Noble Phantasms he has he can hardcounter or completely prevent almost anything and the only reason he ever loses is his ego which has nothing to do with his capabilities as a servant. Ignoring Gilgamesh, the strongest servants are probably (in no order) Iskander, Medea, Lancelot, Karna, Hercules, Archer. For Karna: For Iskander: For Medea: For Lancelot: For Hercules: Archer: apocrypha servants are prob the most haxed in nasuverse saint george and jack the ripper LOL only a few things i disagree with zerker lancelot is below rider iskander tier nuke thing and plane thing- very situational not like there are planes and nukes everywhere for him to corrupt lancer cu chulainn>rider medusa> or = archer EMIYA>or =rider iskander caster medea depends on prep and compatibility so it could go either way |
BloodRequiemApr 30, 2012 1:57 AM
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BloodRequiem said: only a few things i disagree with zerker lancelot is below iskander tier nuke thing and plane thing- very situational not like there are planes and nukes everywhere for him to corrupt cu chulainn>medusa> or = EMIYA>or =iskander I agree that strictly speaking Lancelot is not the same tier as Iskander, but I still consider him high tier compared to most. As long as you can find an airbase not too far from the Grail then raiding it and stealing one would not be too hard for a servant. The main problem is whether one is in range or not. But even aside from that, modern weapons (once noble phantasms) are deadly in their own right. A machinegun will become scary to servants once made into a NP and if the servant only has melee abilities they're basically doomed against him because he's probably the strongest at swordsmanship and his NP is one of the top anti-unit swords. |
| Does anyone remember how much a servant's status increase while being an Alter.If it was ever mentioned that is... |
| If in the Archer (Emiya) vs Berserker (Heracles) fight, Archer uses UBW first and instead of going head on but just shoots all of his weapons as BPs, would he have been able to beat Berserker. |
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MapoTofu said: If in the Archer (Emiya) vs Berserker (Heracles) fight, Archer uses UBW first and instead of going head on but just shoots all of his weapons as BPs, would he have been able to beat Berserker. Heracles Berserker isnt as slow as the anime makes him to be.And no one knows how Archer really fought him.And he wasnt at full power because of Saber's attack in the beginning.If Shirou was able to beat him I dont see EMIYA being unable to since he is a lot more powerful than his younger self. |
ssjokgApr 30, 2012 3:27 AM
Thalos said: Gilgamesh is just hands down the strongest and if there is a servant stronger, we haven't been shown them yet. Pretty much that. Until someone summons Lilith or something, Gilgamesh remains the strongest servant of them all by a mile... |
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| archer aka Emiya Shirou. |
Venneria said: archer aka Emiya Shirou. Except you seem not to have voted for him... |
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ssjokg said: MapoTofu said: If in the Archer (Emiya) vs Berserker (Heracles) fight, Archer uses UBW first and instead of going head on but just shoots all of his weapons as BPs, would he have been able to beat Berserker. Heracles Berserker isnt as slow as the anime makes him to be.And no one knows how Archer really fought him.And he wasnt at full power because of Saber's attack in the beginning.If Shirou was able to beat him I dont see EMIYA being unable to since he is a lot more powerful than his younger self. BP takes a huge amount of prana which is counterproductive to the whole point of using UBW because the point of UBW is having access to high ranked, accurate copies while keeping cost low berserker is several times faster than archer and no archer cant trace avalon or caliburn because he doesnt have a connection with saber therefore he has no image and im pretty sure he healed that wound saber gave him a long time ago |
BloodRequiemApr 30, 2012 7:50 AM
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ssjokg said: Does anyone remember how much a servant's status increase while being an Alter.If it was ever mentioned that is... saber alter > or = rin saber > kiritsugu saber > shirou saber alter can spam excalibur nonstop and is always pranabursting but luck and agility drops normal berserker > dark berserker |
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| Oh. I almost forgot to add, Shiki can kill Servants. kthxbai :3 |
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BloodRequiem said: -Shuda- said: BloodRequiem said: -Shuda- said: Saber with Rin as her master and Avalon gets my vote. Although, raw destructive power and range goes to Gilgamesh. rin saber wont get avalon thats the problem True, but I was considering each servant at their "possible" strongest. All abilities, NP's and Combinations. Rin-Saber with Avalon would be the most versatile imo. but rin saber with avalon is not canon It's a possibility though. I'm surprised most servants have 0 votes. Looks like most of us here know who the strongest servant is. |
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| I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a time long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. |
ssjokgApr 30, 2012 10:06 AM
ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there |
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BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting |
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BloodRequiem said: and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there He might not be the strongest, but all this hate is unnecessary. Zero Berserker has style. Though for the record, it wasn't me who voted for him. |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there He might not be the strongest, but all this hate is unnecessary. Zero Berserker has style. Though for the record, it wasn't me who voted for him. its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him |
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BloodRequiem said: its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him I said "style," didn't I? |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: its pretty much established already that hercules can stomp him I said "style," didn't I? i agree the guy is cool but this is whos the strongest servant |
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BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting He HAS more weapons than that. |
BloodRequiem said: i agree the guy is cool but this is whos the strongest servant Which is why I didn't vote for him. I was complaining about the general hate. |
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ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting He HAS more weapons than that. im just saying that she can match him even if he fights from a distance |
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ssjokg said: He HAS more weapons than that. Aye. But the Hrunting feat shows her ridiculous speed as the arrow was stated to cross 4 km in less than a second. To outrun that would put her speed above mach 14. She can close the gap and turn it into a close quarters sword fight quite easily if his first shot fails. |
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dankickyou said: ssjokg said: He HAS more weapons than that. Aye. But the Hrunting feat shows her ridiculous speed as the arrow was stated to cross 4 km in less than a second. To outrun that would put her speed above mach 14. She can close the gap and turn it into a close quarters sword fight quite easily if his first shot fails. I am just saying that the probability of him winning a fight with her exists,maybe it's small but still there.It's not like he would fight Gil in serious mode... |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win. Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation. |
Thalos said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I am surprised that GARcher has zero votes.His fans either didnt come here yet or after the start of FZ they changed to Gilgamesh. I thought Emiya to be the strongest a long ago but I changed the moment I learnt that he cant trace Ea because of UBW 's limits I changed.But he still is my favorite. archer is considered to be mid/high tier but he wont get above saber and who the hell voted for zero berseker? total wanker there I believe Emiya has some chances against saber.He doesnt need to fight in close quarters. IIRC in HA she outran his hrunting She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win. Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation. using the partial patch I havent seen this scene yet.Only the one shirou gets a hole in his body.Thanks |
Thalos said: She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win. Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation. What about Avalon? |
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ataraxial said: Thalos said: She outran it, yes, but not through her own abilities. First of all, each successive blow was only blocked because Shirou had knowledge of all the failed loops (they'd lost dozens of times to hrunting and because of this he knew exactly what was coming) and even then she had to use the power of a command spell to massively boost her speed far beyond her natural limitations in order to outrun it. Archer was fighting with no master = no command spell = the fight was onesided for numerous reasons. Not a valid win. Just the fact they had lost previously and more than once should give you your answer of what one can actually expect in this situation. What about Avalon? Well... about Avalon. Saber does not really possess Caliburn or Avalon as a heroic spirit, so in most cases both of these are out of the question. And from what I have gathered from seeing it in action and from reading what info there is from it, it is evident she can move while under its protection, but I'm not sure if there's a limit on distance or not, because it is described neither as being attached to her or encompassing an area. I also don't believe she can hurt anyone in it - since it isolates her in another dimensional plane. So while she's safe, so is her opponent. That means if she charges up for an attack her opponent has just as much room to do so and when she's ready to use it she has to expose herself. In the VN it clearly states that Gilgamesh can't halt his attack and that he was basically stuck where he was, this is why Avalon was used so effectively. In most situations it may be rather useless unless it's used during a single fire shot with enough timing that they don't halt their attack and lose their only opportunity to win. |
| The question is who's the second strongest servant. By the looks of it, it is Saber. But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army. @Thanos Yes, the reason Avalon was effective against Gilgamesh is because he couldn't halt his attack. So she just ran up to him and used Excalibur. |
Ragna92Apr 30, 2012 2:18 PM
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| isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough. Ragna92 said: But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army. I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters. |
ssjokgApr 30, 2012 2:25 PM
ssjokg said: isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough. Ragna92 said: But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army. I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters. future Fate/Zero spoilers I really doubt it. |
Ragna92Apr 30, 2012 2:37 PM
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| sorry my bad I meant disrupt it.The only way for her to win against his RM would be to concentrate all of her attacks to him in order for his mana to run out faster,and ignore his army which is kinda impossible since they are all Servants.Then again it uses mana from the entire army unlike Emiya who is alone so forget it. |
Ragna92 said: ssjokg said: isnt it a bit early for that?Not even 24 hours passed since the thread was made.She wont reach Gilgamesh anytime soon but Heracles is close enough. Ragna92 said: But I don't see how she can take out Iskander, unless Excalibur can take out his whole army. I think a blast from something like Excalibur could destroy RMs but Ionian Hetairoi is Ranked EX and Excalibur A++ but I dont know if this matters. Ionioi Hetairoi itself can be destroyed three ways. A) Something that breaks down, dispels, or degrades Reality Marbles (I am sure, for example, someone like Medea has enough magical know-how to accomplish this.) B) Taking out enough troops. Ionioi Hetairoi is an exception to Reality Marbles in this regard. Iskander is not a Caster and he lacks the mana to supply a Reality Marble on his own. It sustains itself through the combined effort of his troops. If enough of them die he wont be able to keep it up. The number required is probably about half the army or so. C) Taking out Iskander himself (probably) since the troops would likely fall with him. However, assuming they do not, then this method would fail, since Iskander is not the main supplier of the Reality Marble. As excessive as it is, Enuma Elish can destroy it using any method above. Saber can only destroy it through the last two methods and whether she pulls it off or not is not guaranteed. Normal Reality Marbles that are supplied directly through the one casting it can only be destroyed by killing said caster or using the first method. Although killing a single person will, in most cases, be easier than killing many. |
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