Japan's Weekly DVD & CD Rankings for Feb 27 - Mar 4

articuzwolf said:


bad colouring (for 2012), significantly drop at animation quality after first episode, etc2

but well, let's don't there, shall we?
in the end it'll be a matter of taste, some of my friends said they still like it



you know what, Totoro is a really really bad example, cumulative of more than 1 million sales and it has been there since like forever, rkb is not even close to it

articuzwolf said:


you know, now I'm having a really hard time to follow you
so what are you trying to say is why am I discrimating RKB?
well we, mmm no they are talking about why RKB in the 1st position right mate?
so I just pointed out that IF AND ONLY IF RKB came out for sales last week or next week
I wouldn't be in the 1st place considering it's only have 4k sales.

Did I say or imply that RKB is bad and doesn't deserve on the first place?
No, I didn't even interested or watch the show so I don't have a slightest idea if the show is good or not, and not my style to judge the show just by the sales alone without even watching it.
(I consider 4k sales as a decent little bit above average sales for a show though, you can't call it a success without considering the production cost, but a lot of shows do less better in term of sales)

and about worthless titles you are mentioning about, I don't know what shows are you talking or implying about and I don't want to play a judge...but I'm just guessing it's a show that do better than RKB even though you like RKB more...
sorry mate, I'm not gonna criticize the show just out of jealousy

bakayarokonoyaro said:

My point is, in this week's list, there are loads of shows that don't deserve the spot, RKB was decent and i wouldn't be surprised if it got first the next week aswell, the genre itself is quite popular.

articuzwolf said:


you mean you think they don't deserve to be there because you think RKB is better

and about RKB being decent, I already mentioned in my previous post that in term of sales only I completely agree with you

and about being first next week as well, uuuh I wouldn't bet on it if I were you

bakayarokonoyaro said:
My point is, in this week's list, there are loads of shows that don't deserve the spot, RKB was decent and i wouldn't be surprised if it got first the next week aswell, the genre itself is quite popular.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Are you trying to start an arguement, sir?
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, and for the record, i never said RKB is better, try reading next time.
the sales, the anime, the plot, the lolis, it's all decent wheter you like it or not, it's there. number 1.

bakayarokonoyaro said:

once again, try reading, what i'm getting at is in this list, some animes don't deserve the spot, heck even RKB doesn't deserve to be first.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't

bakayarokonoyaro said:
basically, most of the animes on this week's rankings are unexpected, most people would be surprised.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
and if you think about it, considering the genre of RKB, it can EASILY get more sales, but there's too much animes of the same genre, and otakus won't stick just to that one.

articuzwolf said:


finally showing your true colour huh...should I repeat it again?
not even watch it, how come I could arrive at the point I don't like the show?
all I did say was RKB has a decent sales with 4k on it's first week, topping 'this week' ranking and running some simulation what will happen if it's out last or next week
did I try to start an argument? well it's up to you to decide, isn't it?



LOLed at this, should I quote someone's post which I found very hilarious considering it's only separated with several lines
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should I introduce you to him?
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no it's expected, there was no strong title came out this week (most of the strong titles came out last week) and you need to wait till next week to see a monstrous sales from title that you should have known by now. (even jmal and ryan mentioned it on their post)
and looking at the past sales of RKB, yeah it's expected
It just most people doesn't really follow amazon stalker or remembering the sales if you know what I mean.


top sales in japan are (correct me if im wrong) Bakemono, Madoka, Gundam Seed and then little down below into 30-40k sales are another shows like Gundam 00, Infinite Stratos, T&B, anohana
please help me to "easily think" because I hardly found any similarities of above titles genre with RKB >.>
but I do believe that RKB is in the same league with Manyuu Hikenchou, Maken Ki, Majikoi, and (probably) Highschool DxD in term of sales though

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Yup, Bakemono, Madoka, Infinite stratos, gundam and ano hana do have high sales, not sure about T&B, but you forgot to mention Oreno imouto, Boku wa tomodachi and K-on.
Madoka/Oreno imou, boku wa tomodachi, And Bakemono do share alot in common with RKB (harem elements with some moe), and those usually sell high.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Btw did you mention something about majikoi? dude majikoi was totall crap, that adaption was LAME. they friggin disgraced the eroge, did you know that Majikoi topped the Getchu Annual Sales ranking for the top ten best selling eroge of 2009, placing 1st overall? the anime adaption was crap yet it still sold. i don't get it man, that's why i said before that some animes on the list are not expected.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't

jmal said:

To simplify things, here's the list: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1972211&postcount=14

Probably the first show on that list that qualifies as particularly heavy in ecchi/harem/fanservice material is Infinite Stratos at #15. Arguably Bakemonogatari too (and certainly Nisemonogatari when that comes out). But they still don't enter the realm of smash hits all that often.


Madoka is not similar at all to the rest. The others are... well, they appeal directly to otaku tastes, yes, but each in different ways. Haganai is also a few notches below the others in sales (it will end up 9-10k average, the others are much much much higher).


Majikoi is averaging 3,580 a disc right now. Nothing particularly good

Remember, just being on the rankings doesn't necessarily mean anything. Nearly every show makes it on the rankings at least once. Only a couple of the absolute lowest selling shows (usually kids' shows nobody expected to sell on BD) never make the rankings at all.

articuzwolf said:


so just because the premise of "harem" like bake and is you decided that RKB should sell more? (not gonna say anything bout haganai coz last time I checked it was in the 7-10k range)
and here I am wondering why Sacred Seven didn't sell well although Gundam Seed/00 sells very well even though they have the same premise "mecha"
ain't that simple mate

and Madoka = harem? you do know that we are on the site called myanimelist rite mate? so it wouldn't too hard to find genre for some series
and T&B was selling like a hot cakes though, even beat anohana in the process



Neither watch majikoi nor play it's game and uh nor that I care as well about some eroge sales.
but my friend for the 2nd time would like to say something about a show being lame, crap, disgrace and not to be expected on the list



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and like you whinning about why majikoi still sold, I was trying to explain to some ppl that surprised on the first few pages why RKB still sold as well
(no strong titles released, blablabla you can read my prev post)
did it make the RKB is a lame, crap show like you described majikoi? which I believe have quite similar sales (3-4k sales) as RKB as well.
coincidence?

jmal said:

Categorizing Madoka as "loli moe" greatly oversimplifies its appeal. It has cute girls who are somewhat young in it, yes, but Madoka became such a huge phenomenon (in sales, awards, critical acclaim, and impact on fandom's collective consciousness) for far more than that.

jmal said:

Categorizing Madoka as "loli moe" greatly oversimplifies its appeal. It has cute girls who are somewhat young in it, yes, but Madoka became such a huge phenomenon (in sales, awards, critical acclaim, and impact on fandom's collective consciousness) for far more than that.


I don't know a lot about Initial D other than that it was pretty damn popular back in the day, running for four seasons and a number of movies, and you still sometimes saw it parodied in pther shows even years later.

As for Love Hina, my understanding is that it was probably viewed as a a lot less "cliche" (not that cliche is inherently bad) back then than it would if it were to be aired now. A lot of shows have copied elements of Love Hina over the years. It's not the first harem anime by any stretch but it's definitely one of the major ones of the last two decades.

It also was an very popular manga, which doesn't guarantee good sales, but certainly can help, if the adaptation manages to please the fanbase.

jmal said:

"The moe" is a pretty vague concept.


Mahou shoujo shows for kids aren't written by Urobuchi Gen, animated by Shaft, and aired in a late night TV spot.

Everyone knew from the second Gen's name was leaked (way before airing) that this wasn't intended to be another Jewel Pets or LilPri, or even PreCure (which has pretty strong otaku support, just not of the disc-buying variety). So I don't think assuming fans, especially in Japan, approached Madoka as if it were a mahou shoujo anime for young girls really holds up.

Nobody knew quite how big a phenomenon it would become, certainly, but it was clear it was mahou shoujo for otaku. Just like how Nanoha (first season also animated by Shinbou Akiyuki in fact) ended up, for example, so there was precedent.

jmal said:

Yes. And the great music, unique visuals, stellar seiyuu performances, dramatic tension, and brilliant subversion of of genre conventions.

Look, I'm not going to pretend that fans aren't motivated by a cute character design (I know I sure am) or that everyone would articulate their positive opinion of Madoka in terms of artistic merit or visual uniqueness or subversion of expectations or whatever. It's not really important that people are conscious of those things when watching a show.

But in my opinion it did do those things. So combine cute characters with a heavily marketed creative dream team (which matters, even if western fans weren't as aware), and then have the show itself turn out to be something incredibly engaging and unique and masterfully executed, and that gets you a heck of a lot farther towards explaining 71k average sales than vague concepts like "the moe" can.

So in short, cute girls do not a 71k average seller make. There's way, way more to it than that, otherwise every show with cute girls would sell that much.

articuzwolf said:
I don't think the character in Madoka is cute and

IIRC, the sales and hype (of Madoka) started to explode snd skyrocket after episode 3 which little bit too extreme to be called "moe" unless you are a sick little psychopath

articuzwolf said:
I don't think the character in Madoka is cute and

IIRC, the sales and hype (of Madoka) started to explode snd skyrocket after episode 3 which little bit too extreme to be called "moe" unless you are a sick little psychopath

fertygo said:
you friggin' little ignorant.

u need to be completely blind if can't see the chara design is moe n designated for otaku.

And if anything that's the appeal of Madoka, make those "moe" element mixed in gruesome urobuchi story's.

bakayarokonoyaro said:

You're still here?
say what? the character in madoka is not cute?
Bro, something must be wrong with you.
Also stop calling other people sick little psychopaths when you're the one who's obssesed with arguing online about minor things, lighten up bro.

articuzwolf said:


I think I clearly stated that I dont think that the design is moe (at least for me) or should I re-state as I like design character for another series much better than madoka?
if other people said that is moe, fine with me.



and for stupidyaro my point about psychopath is, you actually watched the 3rd episode of Madoka right? not just for petty revenge of our discussion yesterday, coz IIRC I'm only stating what is in my mind, (about finding RKB had a decent sales, and won't rank one if it was out last or next week, about didn't find that Chara design for Madoka Magica is moe or cute enough for me) and same as yesterday you suddenly jump in with what I described as angry with other people opinion post

Is madoka cute? well not for me, but maybe for others and
when a little girl got it's head bitten which I believe is the trigger of Madoka Magica Phenomenon, and would you call/describe the biting process as moe? coz there I was describing the biting process not the character design and like fertygo mentioned the design characters is (for some people not for me) but that biting process is not
EXCEPT you are sick little psychopath finding yourself aroused looking helpless girl got her head chopped off like I mentioned in my previous post

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Not for you. then why call others who find it moe psychopaths?
Just because there's such disturbing scene doesn't mean the whole anime is about disturbing scenes.

articuzwolf said:


I called psychopath for those who find themselves aroused by looking helpless girl got her head chopped off not the one who like the character design
(can you even read coz it's cleary stated in the post that you quoted)
so which one are you? if you are the latter one I believe there is no reason to be mad, if you are the first one...no comment except you should go to see for 'help'

and I didn't say a thing about the whole anime is about disturbing scene, stop making thing up >.>

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Did i ever mention that i like fapping to girls getting their heads chopped off?
All i said is that the characters are moe, i'm not talking about specific scenes, i'm just saying that the characters were made to appeal to the otakus. a disturbing scene here and there won't stop an anime from being "moe", if you get what i mean.
there's also a genre called "guro", check it out and you might want to re-consider alot of things.

articuzwolf said:


so you are not finding yourself aroused by looking at it then you are not the 'psychopath' that I mentioned in every single of my post (which I believe you missed the point) so why you so damn mad at my post as if you are that psychopath that I mentioned b4?

I'm not talking about you or the other ppl who like the design (which clearly not my cup of tea), and you generalized that I'm calling everyone who like Madoka is psychopath? so by giving score aroud 7-8 for madoka myself, I'm like 70-80% psychopath?

you said you find the characters are moe, I didn't...is there something wrong with that? I believe you use term 'not forcing opinion to the others' before, you should apply it to yourself first

and I'm merely stating my opinion and never force my opinion to others as well coz I clearly use term 'I (don't like)' which indicate myself not 'you should (not like)' or 'you have to (not like)', clear?

mate my words for you are, read carefully especially if the post are having a different value/point of view with yours coz I found you are easily getting agitated for something that not even what you think about.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
It's because you're offending a group of people that you don't even know.
why would you even call them psychopaths in the first place? why judge people on their preferences? i'm just saying dude.

articuzwolf said:


so what would you call people who getting aroused by seeing helpless people head chopped off again? upstanding citizen? gentle husband? wait no need to answer coz its stupid

and mate, if you ain't one of them...drop the subject already, why dragging something that not even aimed at you for the first place? revenge? LOL

if you are (that what I described as psychopath and feels offended), i don't mind if you want to continue our debate, just put message in my profile, putting your complete address would be very good coz I would like to call 911 asap LOL

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Why don't YOU ignore them and get over it? wouldn't that be better for everyone?
how about you drop the subject? since you're the one who started the whole thing in the first place.
Lol man just...god help the humanity.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Revenge? for what?

articuzwolf said:


nothing will change even I didn't ignore them, except denial one of them feeling offended

about dropping/continuing the subject I guess you don't know where my profile is...

i remember posting about not liking madoka character design

and then someone suddenly jump criticizing that I force my opinion to be accepted generally...well who was that again?

and no, god help you (please god help him, we human can wait)



jealousy? anger? redeeming a wounded useless pride in the media called Internet perhaps? you name it, don't ask me mate, you know better

RyanSaotome said:
Do we really need like 3 pages of this bickering back and forth?

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Wow, too much hostility from you dude. i remember you saying something along the lines of "showing your true colors" or some random bs, i guess that actually applies to you.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
No, i said you shouldn't force your pointless opinion on people because you called a specific group "psychopaths", stop making a fool out of yourself man, it pains me to see trolls humiliating themselves. despite the fact that they're trolls.

articuzwolf said:

and I'm merely stating my opinion and never force my opinion to others as well coz I clearly use term 'I (don't like)' which indicate myself not 'you should (not like)' or 'you have to (not like)', clear?

bakayarokonoyaro said:
jealous of what? anger of what? internet pride what?? I don't even...Wow, just wow.
stupidity was taken to a whole new level.

articuzwolf said:
don't ask me mate, you know better

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Even though i was involved in it, i'm with you on that one.
i'm trying to end this conversation but the guy keeps coming up with the stupidest things ever.

articuzwolf said:


never hide my colour since the begining, always stating my opinion loud and clear...unlike you



dear lord I think I already explained this



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which part of my profile that you don't understand? now that is the stupidest thing ever

bakayarokonoyaro said:
"unlike you"? I never hid my color, i was straightforward from the begining, and why would i even hide it? it's the internet, not like someone's gonna stick his fist in the computer screen and punch you through it.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
profile? what profile? why would i waste time visiting your profile? i'm not a stalker.

articuzwolf said:


yeah I agree with you that you never hid your colour

unlike some guy that said "I agree with you, you have point blablabla" and a few post later screaming like a girl "why only RKB why"



you know that it has comment feature which I tried to bring your little vituperation there since ages ago?
I guess like finding genre in MAL, you don't know that feature as well...don't worry mate, be familiarized

(PS : oh so that what are you doing in other ppl profile, stalking? lucky I'm not your type so you don't have to waste my time on mine mate)