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| Fucking cliffhanger. Thank god, I'm not watching it while it was airing. This gets a 9/10 from me. Every technical aspect of it was amazing. Not to mention, its characters has interesting personalities especially Rider. xD The ending is disappointing though as it didn't conclude anything. |
 "And if, there were so many people in the world, there had to be someone living an interesting life that wasn't ordinary. I was sure of it. Why wasn't that person me?" - The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part V [/center] |
| It's pretty good, I guess. But I'm still not impressed by the story at all, even though the premise is interesting, I think some of the magic elements kinda ruin it (among other things). In terms of characters, most of the masters aren't that interesting, the servants are more interesting though.. The animation of course is pretty much perfect. Overall 7/10 Hopefully part 2 will be better, but I doubt it will be some masterpiece, if I'm not all that impressed at this point. I guess my expectations were too high. Wouldn't be the first time though. |
| Great episode, great first season for Fate/Zero. Unlike many of my previous Fate/Zero watchers, i only need to wait about 20 secs before watching the second season, compared to their 3 month wait xD. I'm very glad I don't have to wait that long, but I'd give the first season a solid 10. |
| 8.5/10 |
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| Rider is goddamn awesome |
| For a very insane guy, Ryuunosuke somewhat gave a very reasonable argument about God. Rider is very inspirational. He died in his 30's yet he looks like in his 40's. xD I wish Caster to be dead already... Will start season 2 next week! xD 8/10 for the series. |
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cantius said: Overrated as fuck. 6/10 for this season. Fanboy reporting in. Learn to use that world. |
| While this show is incredibly overrated, it's still a decent watch with an interesting premise, nice animation, and most of the Servants being likable/interesting people. Pretty coherent plot so far too. 7/10 IMO. Perhaps the second half will impressive me more. We'll see, I guess. |
| Salmon is delicious. |
| Loved this, 10/10. :) Can't wait to dive into the second season! |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
| Broskandar at his finest. Seriously, he is just great. Can't wait to see how they gonna destroy that demon together. I'm guessing it's gonna be either Excalibur or Gilgamesh (or perhaps even Berserker?) joining in. All I hope is that Caster dies already, possible with his master as well. Now for this season. It was definitely a lot better than that thing called the F/SN anime. But still not that great. The setting/premise is still great and I was happy that pretty much all of the servants now were such great and interesting people from the past (except Lancer, but his story is still fine). And they were all actually great characters as well. It was very interesting to see their own way of thinking about this whole thing. My problem lies with the masters. Each of them, with the 3 exceptions of Kiritsugu, Waver and Kariya (hope to see more of him in the 2nd season), were all just so uninteresting. Kirei was the worst of them all, he is such a boring character...my god... Their reason for the grail was just ridiculous. I don't even get how the grail thinks they "need it the most". But like I said, thank god that the servants were interesting at least. Rider is still my favorite, he is such a fucking badass, but very kind big bro. He is simply great. Animation wise the show was amazing, no problems there. Music was made by Kajiura Yuki. Need I say more? While they were not as memorable imo as some of her other works, most of the music was still great. The OP and ED were okay, didn't like them all that much. What I would have liked to see more was some more action, a bit of character development, and a faster pace, it's been 13 episodes, but it's like nothing much happened. For now the season gets a 7/10, which is still great considering that F/SN is a 3 on my list (I know, I know. I shouldn't compare that garbage to this). I hope to see more fights now that the main servants remain (I'm pretty sure Caster is gonna die in this battle). |
RazielZeroOct 12, 2013 7:05 AM
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| Kayneth wants the grail for more or less the same reason Waver does.Tokiomi...ask Gil about him. And Kirei one of the best chars Nasuverse has to offer,with some of the best char development Nasu had to offer is boring? I am not surprised that you missed the char development and the plot progression. |
ssjokg said: And Kirei one of the best chars Nasuverse has to offer,with some of the best char development Nasu had to offer is boring? Well, yeah. All I have seen so far is a guy who doesn't know what to do with himself and just obeys people and wonders why the grail chose him if he doesn't wish for anything. But Gilgamesh enlights him that he has to learn what pleasure is and so he becomes a sinner because he already felt pleasure and now he is full of doubt and is about to kill his own teacher just so he can know what his wish is. In a way, yes, it was a big character development, or rather, he became someone with character. So yes, in that sense it was good. But I'm sorry I just can't feel a single emotion for someone like him who is just...there. Without any kind of character traits, just like a tool. Maybe he will become better in the 2nd season, I don't know yet (kind of doubt it after seeing how he is like in F/SN, even if it's not well adapted, but still, I can be mistaken). I'm rating what I've seen so far. |
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RazielZero said: ssjokg said: And Kirei one of the best chars Nasuverse has to offer,with some of the best char development Nasu had to offer is boring? Well, yeah. All I have seen so far is a guy who doesn't know what to do with himself and just obeys people and wonders why the grail chose him if he doesn't wish for anything. But Gilgamesh enlights him that he has to learn what pleasure is and so he becomes a sinner because he already felt pleasure and now he is full of doubt and is about to kill his own teacher just so he can know what his wish is. In a way, yes, it was a big character development, or rather, he became someone with character. So yes, in that sense it was good. But I'm sorry I just can't feel a single emotion for someone like him who is just...there. Without any kind of character traits, just like a tool. Maybe he will become better in the 2nd season, I don't know yet (kind of doubt it after seeing how he is like in F/SN, even if it's not well adapted, but still, I can be mistaken). I'm rating what I've seen so far. Then it comes down to if you like characters that search for themselves. And we told you to forget FSN anime. Kirei in FSN anime simple wants destruction because....yeah it would be good if they had simply add any reason at all but you dont expect the villain to be more developed than the MC when the MC is reduced to a bag of shit.You dont expect good script from someone that put Sakura in latex and made her Caster's ero salve because it seemed like a good idea. |
| While he didn't seem like a thinker at first, Rider sure is a wise man. Also, I really should have mentioned this during the fight between Caster and Saber/Lancer but my goodness, Lancer sure is a smooth guy. I hope there is some interaction between either Saber or Sola-Ui and him if you get my drift ;) The series was good so far. Can always count on ufotable for great animation and the OST was very good. We haven't really had any proper fights yet with someone coming out as the winner. After watching the end, I'll decide whether or not I liked it like that or not. There will probably also be more focus on Kiritsugu so I'm looking forward to that. |
| -Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place? -Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last. |
| caster and his master are adorable. caster slightly less so. |
| After talking with Forgetfulness and doing a lot of rethinking about this show, I've just finished my rewatch of the first season, albeit dubbed this time. Changed my opinion from 5/10 to 8/10. Lets see how my rewatch of the second season turns out. |
| Salmon is delicious. |
| Long story short: I originally went in with the wrong expectations and mistakenly magnified things into flaws that weren't actually flaws according to how I normally rate a story. Although, watching it dubbed does make the long dialogues much easier to absorb and manage. |
| Salmon is delicious. |
| Fantastic ending to season 1, ONTO SEASON 2! |
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| It blows my mind that Monster didnt get the same treatment. |
ssjokg said: It blows my mind that Monster didnt get the same treatment. Oh please. Let the man enjoy the narrative nine out of ten greatness that is naruto. |
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| Lots of bromance this episode. The caster and Uryuu cracked me up and the moments between Waver and Iskander were great. A cliffhanger ending only leaves one possibility - continue! Not really sure what score to give with an unfinished story, so I guess 9/10 for now since I've yet to dislike a minute of this. |
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| 10\10 |
| jesus christ this show is awesome and i fricken love rider so god dam much |
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| So much better then F/SN |
| 1. Ryuunosuke needs to die along with his twisted child murders 2. So much dialogue…at least we gonna see caster go down in next ep 5/10 |
| 俺の命を百合に。 Currently translating Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke o - Atelier no Koibito-tachi -- when bored. Above visual novel is 22.22% translated with progress uploaded to youtube; if you're into yuri VNs, check out my channel.  |
| Pretty good I suppose, not as masterful as I was expecting. A solid 8.5 which I'll just round up to a 9. Onto the next part. |
| I love Rider. As I watched the episode, I was thinking that if this show were a shounen, he and his master would totally have been the main characters. Can't wait to see Saber do something. I want her to prove she's the best like all the exposition implied |
yaddayadda said: I love Rider. As I watched the episode, I was thinking that if this show were a shounen, he and his master would totally have been the main characters. Can't wait to see Saber do something. I want her to prove she's the best like all the exposition implied How did it imply she's the best? |
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Botato said: yaddayadda said: I love Rider. As I watched the episode, I was thinking that if this show were a shounen, he and his master would totally have been the main characters. Can't wait to see Saber do something. I want her to prove she's the best like all the exposition implied How did it imply she's the best? Saber class stronger blablabla, main poster girl blablabla,MC's Servant etc |
ssjokg said: Botato said: How did it imply she's the best? Saber class stronger blablabla, main poster girl blablabla,MC's Servant etc Most probably yeah. Figures :| |
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Botato said: ssjokg said: Saber class stronger blablabla, main poster girl blablabla,MC's Servant etc Most probably yeah. Figures :| Saber class IS strongest...in stats. WHich mean jackshit in nasuverse, since haxx>stats. |
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Fai said: Botato said: Most probably yeah. Figures :| Saber class IS strongest...in stats. WHich mean jackshit in nasuverse, since haxx>stats. What got me curious is that Tokiomi proclaimed victory when he summoned Gil and stated that he is the most powerful servant. How did one or two statements about Saber class having high stats suddenly become "she's the best" when other servants were shown/claimed to be 'the most powerful' too? (At this point we've seen Rider being badass and Kirei said that his RM is too powerful, Kariya claimed his servant is the strongest and he will not lose, and then there's also Gil like I said...) |
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Botato said: Fai said: Saber class IS strongest...in stats. WHich mean jackshit in nasuverse, since haxx>stats. What got me curious is that Tokiomi proclaimed victory when he summoned Gil and stated that he is the most powerful servant. How did one or two statements about Saber class having high stats suddenly become "she's the best" when other servants were shown/claimed to be 'the most powerful' too? (At this point we've seen Rider being badass and Kirei said that his RM is too powerful, Kariya claimed his servant is the strongest and he will not lose, and then there's also Gil like I said...) Because Gil is THE oldest servant. If you Summon Gil, if you can manage to coexist and direct him successfully, you won. So far only Fate/Extra protagonist managed to do it and that resulted in . So yes. Gil=Instawin if you can manage it. Saber is the best because Saber class has the best stats, but it still depends on hax of the identity summoned - Herc as Saber would be unstoppable for example. In case of Altria/Arthuria, she has Excalibur - also known as the sword whose attacks have been compared to true magic(there's a reason why in prisma illya , no to mention in FSN ). |
AhenshihaelJun 8, 2014 2:01 PM
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| ^ I know all of this, what I was curious about is why yaddayadda thought Saber was "the best" even though other servants were also stated to be powerful/the best/etc... Especially Gil. Like you said stats mean nothing alone, there are a lot of other factors that come into play. |
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Botato said: ^ I know all of this, what I was curious about is why yaddayadda thought Saber was "the best" even though other servants were also stated to be powerful/the best/etc... Especially Gil. Like you said stats mean nothing alone, there are a lot of other factors that come into play. BEcause Saber is the best class. Not necessarily best summoned servant. |
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| Never mind, he seems to have left this thread for good so whatever. |
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Fai said: [spoiler]In case of Altria/Arthuria, she has Excalibur - also known as the sword whose attacks have been compared to true magic(there's a reason why in prisma illya , no to mention in FSN ). You know that the kaleidosticks could have done that with any NP.Excalibur has never been compared to True Magic. Excalibur is a mana canon. Jewel Sword is also a mana canon (that works differently as well). How does that make Excalibur similar to True Magic? |
ssjokg said: Fai said: [spoiler]In case of Altria/Arthuria, she has Excalibur - also known as the sword whose attacks have been compared to true magic(there's a reason why in prisma illya , no to mention in FSN ). You know that the kaleidosticks could have done that with any NP.Excalibur has never been compared to True Magic. Excalibur is a mana canon. Jewel Sword is also a mana canon (that works differently as well). How does that make Excalibur similar to True Magic? Its the attack that is entirely dependent on the mana reserve you have, so while as NP its a one-trick-pony, its one-trick-pony that can oneshot stuff. |
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| Wait when did anyone mention Excalibur? *goes to previous page* Oh, you edited your post :| It wasn't necessary to mention it, because what I was talking about are the stuff mentioned in F/Z up until episode 13 (this one). From what is shown in these episodes, one can conclude that "the best" is one of Gil/Saber/Berserker/ and to an extent Rider. The "exposition" didn't focus solely on making Saber look awesome or the best. That's why I found the original comment questionable. Ok now to run away and leave you two have fun, walls of text scare me sometimes... |
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| Hmm, rather weak and unclimatic episode. Caster/Ryuunosuke is by far the worst pair of this war and to have them as main antagonists of the first half is very counterproductive as their defeat won't produce desirable impact. So far, it seems to me that everyone in this anime just runs in its scripted tunnel with predetermined role to the point it's almost obvious. There is no real planning, no clever tactics, everyone just intercepts enemy head-on. It's almost like masters of this war are puppets of their servants, maybe with exception of Kotomine and Kiritsugu (but even those are taken from visual novel). This stands as proof that original FSN did a lot better job with their characterization. Here, I somehow can't relate to those masters. But maybe this is all intentional and this emphasis on Servants and their stories is what matters here. Lancer, Saber, Rider and Archer are all being fleshed-out pretty well and I like those characters. But I really don't know if their wishes and wishes of their masters are worth fighting for, so far this war seems kinda underwhelming to me. Call me a heretic but if I had to compare first half of Ufotable F/Z with first part Deen's F/SN I would say the latter did better job (not to mention visual novel, that's leagues elsewhere). F/Z is good so far but the problem is, it doesn't really stand out. It's almost funny that the best episode for me was Rin's adventure and yet, that was flashback to the past. Whereas in FSN I found many of those interesting moments, namely eps. 2,4,11,12 and 14. Let's hope that the second part will be as mindblowing as to dispel those doubts of mine. |
| ^Ok.....Heretic. Really if we bring characterization to the table, Deen's FSN is miles behind. |
Mich666 said: Hmm, rather weak and unclimatic episode. That's because it's a cliffhangar, not a climax. Mich666 said: There is no real planning, no clever tactics, everyone just intercepts enemy head-on. That's the antithesis of a certain master's tactics. Mich666 said: It's almost like masters of this war are puppets of their servants, maybe with exception of Kotomine and Kiritsugu (but even those are taken from visual novel). There are no puppets, just people who can't see eye to eye. Neither really controls the other. Except that's not true because the masters have command spells. That implies that when they are dragged around by their servants, there is still some degree of acceptance of the situation. Mich666 said: This stands as proof that original FSN did a lot better job with their characterization. I don't see how that works. Mich666 said: Here, I somehow can't relate to those masters. Maybe because they're not "normal" teenagers? Mich666 said: Lancer, Saber, Rider and Archer are all being fleshed-out pretty well and I like those characters. Doesn't this contradict what you just said about bad characterization? |
ssjokg said: ^Ok.....Heretic. Really if we bring characterization to the table, Deen's FSN is miles behind. When talking about characterization, I was talking about visual novel, ofc. Deen was doomed when they tried to adapt all three routes at once and their problem with explaining fundamentals is all known. The thing is, I actually enjoyed what they did (at least up to the ep14) as it was great to relive some moments from novel. I am very curious what Ufotable gives us this year and I am looking forward to see their pacing as putting 100+ hour novel into 13 hours anime is one big challenge. I fear they'll go all dark and serious, cutting all slice-of-life stuff but that's to be seen. fst said: Maybe because they're not "normal" teenagers? You don't have to be a teenager to actually relate to some characters (no to mention I am no longer one). It's more about of how their decisions and thinking are presented to the viewer in way of emotions and experiences to relate to. fst said: Doesn't this contradict what you just said about bad characterization? No, because I was talking solely about masters in that paragraph. I am talking about Servants in next one (and I actually like their characterization, Rider and Archer being the best). But regarding this war's masters - let's face it, from what we actually saw, can you symphatize with anyone? Tokiomi - is just hiding and observing situation Ryuunosuke - is deranged mental that likes killing, nothing else Keyneth - was excessively self-confident mage who sufferred because of his overly bloated ego Sola Ui - is poor mage that got the power. One moment she is head over heels over Lancer and the next one she is breaking Kayneth's fingers. I really don't know who she is, we got no details of her past. Yes, there is some suspicion surrounding her but hey, is that really enough? Kariya - is good character, but he was almost nonexistent in the first half Waver - is boy who still doesn't know what he wants Kotomine and Kiritsugu aside, as those two are just doing precisely what's expected of them based on FSN novel. But I have to admitt they did a good job with Iri (though technically, she isn't master). I'm just saying that with Servants getting most of the screentime, there was little to no time to flesh out those Masters better in other way than just showing their archetypes. I am not saying this is all bad in long term but when you look back on those thirteen eps (as there was three month pause during original screening) you quickly realize they moved almost nowhere. You can say they spent whole first half on building the world and the base for everything that's poised to happen in the second half. They really took their time talking as long as they could before the blowing everything up. The amount of new characters they needed to introduce didn't help either, it only slowed-down overall pacing. The fact that many people liked that is only coming from promise of even greater resolution. The thing I fear is they raised the bar too high. I mean, if they continue to develop those characters even further and if they actually give us some satisfactory conclusion then I would say it was well worth it. But if not, well, then this was just a nice little extra for FSN fans and very long introduction for first time viewers, nothing more. |
| This episode made me grow fond of Ryuunosuke and his servant. They're insane as hell, but they're a pretty cool pair who are not afraid of anything. |
Mich666 said: fst said: Doesn't this contradict what you just said about bad characterization? No, because I was talking solely about masters in that paragraph. I am talking about Servants in next one (and I actually like their characterization, Rider and Archer being the best). But regarding this war's masters - let's face it, from what we actually saw, can you symphatize with anyone? They don't need to be relatable to be interesting to watch, it just makes it hard to care about what happens to them. Which is just as well since it's a deathmatch and you know from episode 1 that most of them will get the axe. Mich666 said: Tokiomi - is just hiding and observing situation Ryuunosuke - is deranged mental that likes killing, nothing else Keyneth - was excessively self-confident mage who sufferred because of his overly bloated ego Sola Ui - is poor mage that got the power. One moment she is head over heels over Lancer and the next one she is breaking Kayneth's fingers. I really don't know who she is, we got no details of her past. Yes, there is some suspicion surrounding her but hey, is that really enough? Kariya - is good character, but he was almost nonexistent in the first half Waver - is boy who still doesn't know what he wants Tokiomi doesn't do much, but personally I find him hilarious, though not due to anything that he does in the first half. If you want to know more about Sola, the novel gives more backstory on her character. But frankly... her motivations are much simpler than that. Waver is probably by far the most sympathetic master in this war. But, for him more so than almost all of the other masters, it's pointless to discuss the merits of his character until the end. Mich666 said: Kotomine and Kiritsugu aside, as those two are just doing precisely what's expected of them based on FSN novel. But I have to admitt they did a good job with Iri (though technically, she isn't master). I'm just saying that with Servants getting most of the screentime, there was little to no time to flesh out those Masters better in other way than just showing their archetypes. It's difficult to have 14 really well fleshed out characters in a 26 episode series. Once the bodies start piling up though, it leaves more screentime to flesh out the ones who are still alive. |
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