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Lol I re-watched the first episode and it just perfectly makes sense. Even the title of the first episode was a foreshadowing..."Prologue of the Beginning and the End".
Now, I'm just looking forward to how the ending plays out. The ending will say whether this anime is a 9/10 or 10/10 in my book.
I just re watched the 1st episode after watching the last one and after reading all this thread, and i even a little more confused.
As i see, the 1st episode it could be also the 23 or 22, still being in the Beta line of events, meaning that the death of Kurisu is needed to ironically stop her dead and her original death not being part of the Alpha time line.
But maybe im just to tired to think but right now that seems like a very possible way to Okarin actually saving both of his friend and stopping the dystopia to happend.
btw
saka said: I think Mayushi is still hiding something and will end up being the sacrifice anyway. It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light (futuristic time travel?) and younger Okarin's decision to stop her from leaving. There are still dark plot twists buried in there.... maybe she'll go back to the future or something. *cue theme music*
It's painful to come in here and not be able tell some people they are wrong XD
kaimax said:
darkziosj said:
kaimax said:
Omitted stuff
wow they omitted that? that sucks, i hope they somehow fit it in the next episode
They won't, trying to forcefully insert that in the next chapter is just "pushing it".
and if you think bit, the "omitted scenes" doesn't really affect the main story at all. It just complicated things and just trivial knowledge since they never made any kind of closure with that "sub-plot" in the VN.
Basically it's a sub-plot, and the anime didn't need it. Another reason to play the VN
It kinda does, since it explains why Suzuha said Okarin was assassinated in 2035. They should have left that part of the conversation out if they weren't going to follow through with WHY he was assassinated in the future.
If I came into this series cold turkey, and we get the true ending (which has a 110% chance of happening), I would still want to know why he dies 25 years later in the different time line. This episode was supposed to explain that.
Oh, my God...it seems that you have lost Okabe. Someone has to die. Well, four more episodes to go, I REALLY wonder what will happen. I would love a happy ending, but I'm not sure we can get one. Here's hoping for the best.
I rewatechd first episode and got lots of questions, for instance:
1 - If John Titor time travelled to the year of 2010 (and only to that time) that we could even see the time machine landing on the rooftop, how everyone knew about him in the year of 2000?
Then I just started reading the novelty, and it makes sense now (there is an explanation). It seens that the anime forgot to explain this and other stuff. I recommend everyone to read it.
Well, I'm guessing there is no more "obstacles" now to shift from alpha to beta line.
The only problem now for Kyouma, is to choose between Kurisu or Mayuri.
Here are the interesting choices that Kyouma can make (theorized by a blogger in RC):
1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
4. Kurisu, understanding the situaion (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake
I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
"Seize the time, Meribor - live now! Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
chococya96 said: Well, I'm guessing there is no more "obstacles" now to shift from alpha to beta line.
The only problem now for Kyouma, is to choose between Kurisu or Mayuri.
Here are the interesting choices that Kyouma can make (theorized by a blogger in RC):
1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
4. Kurisu, understanding the situaion (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake
Well guys. what do you think?
1. The most logical one. We will definitely return to ep1, where all begins.
2. There's already a Gamma Worldline for the drama CDs.
3. Okabe won't be able to observe the outcome if he's dead.
4. It's the same as option 1.
Archie74 said: I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
It's definitely Kurisu. But I understand what you observed. Food for thought.
I just hate Hanada Jukki. I was already pissed off by his poor execution of Mayuri's 1st death and Okabe's 1st timeleap. He tends to keep those unnecessary scenes and cuts those relevant ones. Yuugo was originally intended to
save Moeka by abandoning her, so why would he kill Moeka all of a sudden and doesn't give it a damn? Hanada even omitted Nae's part. The dramas between Yuugo, Nae and Moeka are ALL GONE ENTIRELY. I love you, Hanada!
This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
That was cutest part in the episode and you can so see in the spoiler
Okabe+Dr. Pepper x Makise+Dr. Pepper = nice couple. Right?
Archie74 said: I'm gonna post this as a question... Does anyone know if the reason why we can't see Kurisu's face on Episode 1, when she's lying dead, is due to censoring of the graphic violence or because we are not supposed to see who it is.
Well if it helps I got the BD version in the spoiler
and it show that Makise's face is more shadowed. It still does not matter because Okabe knows it's her. It's just a way of foreshadow and since my source is BD that's how it is. Therefore no censors.
You got to admit though it's so orgasmic to see that the BDs bring JUSTICE to this series. All is much more sharper and better.
A comparing of TV VS BD with TV being the first pic in the spoiler
What do you say to that!
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During the last episode, I felt a bit awkward when they didn't show the foreshadow of it
Anyway,I don't really care about the "omitted stuff", I think that part is a bit illogical(due to the high requirement of that timeleap machine) the moment when I play. It give me the " huh, wat? "feeling .Those who play the VN should know this better than me...
I can't believe Makise has fallen into the hand of Dr.Pepper. lol
there are too much Okarin x Kurisi and too little Okarin x Mayushii .I somehow felt sorry for Mayushii T.T
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
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Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
I think so.... I haven't seen the true end before, but I bet both will survive
I just read the story from wikipedia... I don't think that all the things that happened on the game can be resumed in just 4 episodes. Urging to see next episode.
Yumekichi11 said: Comparing versions of Moeka’s death as follows,
And the one from the VN in the spoiler
I would have to say the VN one looks better.
It's not only visually better, it's way more emotional.
Nae ran a freaking knife through Moeka's chest.
Moeka apologizes again and again and again in tears until she passes away, despite Okabe said he has already forgiven her. I bet Okabe cried too. ='(
MorningGlory said:
Yumekichi11 said:
MorningGlory said:
Kansokusha said: This is the most disappointed epidsode so far if you knew the original plot. I have a BAD feeling that Hanada will screw up the finale... =[
Cross your finger and hope they manage to get into the true end within 4 episode . =P
Does that mean Mayushii and Makise alive?
I think so.... I haven't seen the true end before, but I bet both will survive
Chiyomaru said
they will follow the true end route. Guess what.
Seriously, I won't forgive Hanada if he continues to stain the original scripts of Hayashi-sensei. Don't you dare to make it into another Chaos;Head adaptation. >= [
rodrigojager said: I just read the story from wikipedia... I don't think that all the things that happened on the game can be resumed in just 4 episodes. Urging to see next episode.
well, to me the only way possible to save Kurisu, might be Okarin to let her die and then go further into the past again and maybe try to save her... just like he has been doing with Mayuri.
or maybe, the scream we heard on episode one if it was really from Okarin, then there might be a chance that it was Okarin from the future?
i dunno why but im expecting a similar end to the movie "the butterfly effect" LOOOL.
Yeah, I am very curious that I can't handle myself... Also I've just read all mangas, and read the story of the game on wikipedia, and now I'm going to watch/play the visual novel...
The Anime just trying to shrink the story to fit inside 24episode.Nae's scene is just part of the sub plot just like how they cut the scene of 4°C.
Since Mr.brown pull Okabe and the other out from the house and into an empty construction site,thus Nae won't be able meet the disastrous suicide and conversation from Mr.brown. In Anime, Mr.brown is more concern on Nae .Imagine Mr.Brown suicide inside the house with Nae in it , its not good. The story for this episode is okay(there is no problem), but its not as "stimulus" like in VN. (sometimes the plot in VN makes me wanna bang the wall with my head >_< ).
Having Moeka and Mr.brown die in front of Okabe is enough mental damage for Okabe already.
Its quite weird that why Okarin vomit when both die. I thought Okarin witness the death of Mayuri for more than 100times.He should have get used to the sight of death.
Well , I am surprise I saw many msg in forum, people(non- VN player) saying that they wanted to play the VN to find out what with "the missing Nae scene".
He finally realizes Kurisu's death will have to be dealt with aswell...
After watching this episode, I'm doubting every character besides Mayuri, Rumiho & Ruka... Yes even Okabe - He's probably my favorite character for this entire year so far. But - I went back to re-watch the first episode to get any clues & during Kurisu getting stabbed scene, the yell is extremely similar to Okabe's voice...
Wait....You're right. Another very important piece of information is that she said he tried to tell her something 15 minutes ago and that he really looked worried. If he looked worried then he was aware Makise was about to die. !_! Could it be that Okarin finally managed to physically time travel? That would mean that the male scream was Future Okarin perhaps trying to save her?
Another important thing might be the disappearance of the Metal Oppa and his phone sihning brightly like when the phone microwave is on just before Mayuri finds him telling the Metal Oppa is missing.
If d-mail only changes the world line but doesn't allow you to go back and change things then that would mean he would have to either time leap (but that doesn't explains him not remembering trying to warn makise 15 minutes ago unless his reading steiner failed as Suzuha's memory failed when she time travelled).
The other option that I considered which makes sense with the male voice is that Okarin finally found a way to physically travel back in time but moves silently trying to not meet himself evading a paradox. He could warn Makise 15 minutes before that he needs to tell her something with his extremely worried face but then is forced to run away or hide. The past Okarin would have no recollection of this conversation. But does that mean that he also stole the Metal Oppa? How did he not get turned into jelly? Then he probably tries to save Makise and fails and when he hears his past self coming he quickly hides. That would explain the odd sounds past Okarin heard.
MorningGlory said: The Anime just trying to shrink the story to fit inside 24episode.Nae's scene is just part of the sub plot just like how they cut the scene of 4°C.
Since Mr.brown pull Okabe and the other out from the house and into an empty construction site,thus Nae won't be able meet the disastrous suicide and conversation from Mr.brown. In Anime, Mr.brown is more concern on Nae .Imagine Mr.Brown suicide inside the house with Nae in it , its not good. The story for this episode is okay(there is no problem), but its not as "stimulus" like in VN. (sometimes the plot in VN makes me wanna bang the wall with my head >_< ).
Having Moeka and Mr.brown die in front of Okabe is enough mental damage for Okabe already.
Its quite weird that why Okarin vomit when both die. I thought Okarin witness the death of Mayuri for more than 100times.He should have get used to the sight of death.
Well , I am surprise I saw many msg in forum, people(non- VN player) saying that they wanted to play the VN to find out what with "the missing Nae scene".
Hanada Jukki officially killed 4°C, Yuugo and Nae.
The whole shooting scene wasn't a mental blow. Okabe was merely shocked. And Yuugo shot Moeka like he's killing a cattle. Crap. It's nothing compared to the original plot. The reflection of Okabe's guilt. The tragic atmosphere. The burning hatred. Salvation. It was a mental blow to us VN reader, not Okabe. I still couldn't calm down from this mess. Screw you, Hanada Bastard Jukki. Play the VN before you write ur freaking scripts.
oh my god biggest plot twist ever O_O
when he took out that gun i was like naw he wont do it *bam* O____O;
yea my mouth was opened that whole scene
quite epic, i wonder how this will end ._.; please for my and every supporter of okabe x kurisu out there, LET SHE LIVE DX (and itd be even better if mayuri also survives though lulz)
when kurisu herself mentioned getting stabbed, i instinctively thought "i knew it, i freaking knew it" and okabe's face was just as dramatic
Epic episode as always.
I was suprised that Mr Brown is FB and how he shoot himself and Moeka O_O
Finally Okabe realized that the last d-mail has to do with Kurisu's death ... I hope that she can survive T_T
Damn that anime surprised me more and more I wonder how it will end.
I didn't see that Mr Braun is FB but at least Moeka is saved, but now the problem is the first D-mail which I totally forgot, Okabe please found a way to save both Mayushii and Makise !! >_<
Argh... only 4 eps left. Shit!!!can't wait for next ep. I guess no other series could replace Steins;Gate when it comes to the end. Jeez, and I wonder how Kurise's gonna give him her approval to undo the last 2 messeges. I'm sure Okabe will delete the SERN's detabase to avoid there overtaking the country, so I bet Kurise's death is certain at the end of the series.
I was just rewatched the first conversation between Kurisu and Okabe, what she was trying to ask him before now makes total sense! She was talking about a worried Okabe trying to tell her something, but yet the current Okabe knows nothing of it what do you guys think of it? I don't think it's just a coincidence
kaimax said: so if anyone's wondering
WALL OF SPOILER for the omitted scenes. Read on your own violation.
I bolded the omitted parts
After confirming with Daru that the locker Moeka mentioned was in use, Okarin returns the phone to Moeka and invites her along to for a chance to find out who FB really is. She hesitates and doesn’t follow.
The next day, Okarin goes alone to the locker and he spends the whole day keeping watch but no one arrives to open the locker. Okarin decides to try and break the locker open. The police is alerted and he time leaps back. The next day, Moeka joins him bringing some food with her and the next day someone finally appears. He didn’t seem to be FB. They follow him onto the train but lose track of the man he passes the case to. After another time leap they finally manage to get back on track. Surprisingly, Braun from the old TV shop was arrives to give them a lift. Okarin time leaps again and goes to rent a car ready to trail Braun and the Rounders. Moeka was a “paper driver” which meant she hasn’t driven for a very long time but she manages to somehow… They end up arriving at Suzuha’s home where the IBN5100 is moved inside.
They watch the house waiting for any more movement. There was none. Night soon descended and the men who attacked the lab arrives. They take the IBN5100 and learn they were heading to France with it where SERN’s HQ was. Okarin calls Kurisu to tell her to keep watch from outside. She was to call for help if neither he or Moeka comes back out. They enter the house and Braun greets them. He collects the Divergence Meter yet again but sits down. The displayed value had increased which confirms undoing the D-Mails was working.
Moeka stays silent until Okarin reveals they knew he was working for SERN. Braun takes out a gun, his smile faded. He admits to be “FB” and was only using Moeka to find the IBN5100. She was no use any more. Okarin was angry. Angry that the very person that Suzuha had gone back in time and ended up looking after was the person to steal the IBN5100 she retrieved. As if in answer, Braun smiled and pointed the gun to himself. He’s sorry for Suzuha and pulls the trigger. After picking up “FB” Braun’s phone, Okarin tried looking for Nae but was glad she wasn’t there to witness the whole event.
Together they leave the scene quickly back to Moeka’s apartment, ready to send the D-Mail they need. However, just as Kurisu mentions she saw a little girl running out the back of the house after the gunshot, Braun’s little daughter Nae appears in the room and greets them hello. She suddenly takes out a gun and shoots Moeka, laughing eerily. She tells Okarin to wait in fear because he will be next in the future and runs out the apartment. Both Kurisu and Okarin were shocked. That did not sound like a little girl talking.
With the D-Mail on standby, Moeka apologises for what she’s done and passes out. Kurisu remains calm, urging Okarin to send the D-Mail but he doesn’t. He wanted to know the truth and who Nae really was. He time leaps back to before they arrive at Suzuha’s house and waits outside together with Kurisu while Moeka goes in alone this time. He instructs Kurisu to go in and pick up FB’s phone after hearing a gunshot while he goes after Nae.
Unprepared, little Nae brandishes a knife and lunges at Okarin’s shoulder. She reveals she was Brauns daughter who had time leaped over 2700 times to return 15 years from the future for revenge. But she couldn’t kill Okarin yet because otherwise she would never be able to travel back in time to kill Moeka like she just did. Either way, she joins Rounders and is the one that ends up capturing Okarin in the future, torturing him about his resistance group and letting him die a slow death. With that she runs off just as Kurisu catches up. Okarin takes the phone from Kurisu and sends the D-Mail.
After the timeline shift, Okarin finds himself standing in the streets and immediately heads to Moeka’s apartment to see if the D-Mail worked. She confirms she was no longer looking for the IBN5100. As he made his way back to the lab, he grimaced remembering what happened in the other timeline – Nae bent on revenge and Braun committing suicide to stop Moeka working for the Rounders.
Finally the IBN5100 was back in the Mirai Gadgets Lab. Okarin cries out happily, ready to have Daru erase traces of their D-Mail from SERN’s surveillance logs and shift the timeline for good so that Mayuri is finally saved. Unfortunately, Daru was away at the ComiMa so Okarin time leaps to the moment Daru is still around.
Daru sets up all the commands ready and gives Okarin the privilege to hit the enter key. However, just as he was about to execute the commands, he realizes he had forgotten something important… If he stops himself sending that D-Mail about Kurisu’ death, they will end up in a timeline where she will be murdered.
ARE YOU SHITTING ME!? The bolded part with Nae really happens?
For about 5 minutes I had my jaw open and gagging!
That Nae part is sooooo deep. So crazy! They will not put it? Well I will put it! In the spoiler
I demand a alternative edition of this part into this episode. They can fucking do it in 5 minutes extra or less. So come on, do it the BD version. It could be good.
Kansokusha said:
Yumekichi11 said: Comparing versions of Moeka’s death as follows,
And the one from the VN in the spoiler
I would have to say the VN one looks better.
It's not only visually better, it's way more emotional.
Nae ran a freaking knife through Moeka's chest.
I though it was more shot, the knife was used to Okabe.
Kansokusha said: Chiyomaru said
they will follow the true end route. Guess what.
Seriously, I won't forgive Hanada if he continues to stain the original scripts of Hayashi-sensei. Don't you dare to make it into another Chaos;Head adaptation. >= [
WTF is up with the conversation of Hanada/Hayashi-sensei who are these people and why would Hanada of all people fuck up the script. I thank him for not being as graphical as Kamisama Dolls was, that fucked up my day yesterday. T_T
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I believe those can still be spoilers at this point in the story.... I will grudgingly allow them, but that route isn't entirely destroyed. You can always talk about the abridged parts after the series is over.
FB was Mister Braun: Surprising, but not shocking.
Moeka dies: Well, I pretty much saw that coming because of this whole if you die no matter how the time line changes thing.
Braun committed suicide: I witnessed the VN picture in the past, so it was not unexpected. But I did go "Oh c'mon Braun! First Moeka and now yourself!?"
Nae's murder intentions mentioned by kaimax and Yumekichi11: Incredibly horrified by the sheer thought. Even if there is a good explanation behind it, it still freaks me out. I'm glad the did not show it, because I don't want to be School Days traumatized.
The Kurisu or Mayuri point: So I wasn't wrong. I thought of it ever since he erased the first D-Mail. Although, I didn't think he would realize it until it happened again. When he figured it out, "You are in deep shit know, Okabe" was the first thought in my mind.
Now I am completely sure that this is not going to end in a positive way.
saka said: I believe those can still be spoilers at this point in the story.... I will grudgingly allow them, but that route isn't entirely destroyed. You can always talk about the abridged parts after the series is over.
OK but Moeka's route is gone with this episode so I suppose it's OK as long as it is in spoiler and indicated it's a spoiler.
I would be totally surprised if they make Nae come out suddenly.
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Wow, I am most shocked about how good this anime is. I didn't have the highest expectations, but I've always been interested in time travel fiction. This anime blew my expectations out of the water. Unless there is some sort of major letdown/meltdown in the remaining episodes, this anime is going to be getting a 10 for sure!
Damn, Mr. Braun had like no reaction to anything. I was really looking forward to the part where Okarin would tell Mr. Braun that Suzu was actually Suzuha Hashida - the woman that took care of him when he was a young boy. Too bad it didn't show.
Well, shit. Okarin has the IBN1500 to help him get back to the world line where everything is perfect...except for the fact Kurisu dies. Now it's a decision he has to make: Save Mayuri or save Kurisu. Dun dun dun...
Yumekichi11 said:
I would be totally surprised if they make Nae come out suddenly.
I'm hoping they show Nae's part so bad. If they don't, I'll be sad.
rodrigojager said: Anyone thinks I can find a translated Steins Gate visual novel? Every place I look for, I only see work in progress =(
There isn't any out right now. Currently, it's being translated by a group at #VNTP on Rizon Servers. It should be finished before the end of this year. So just wait patiently :)