| If you read this without having finished Steins;Gate don't even think of crying about spoilers. Starting WL: 1.130426% Episode 1:  The first worldline shift leaves us at a destination of 0.571024. Episode 7:  This is the second dmail influenced change to the worldline that we are shown leaving us at a destination of 0.571015. The attempt of this dmail was to test the validity of dmail by winning the lottery. Episode 8a:  Third dmail induced worldline change with a destination of 0.523299. The attempt of this dmail is unknown, but it assumed that Moeka used it in an attempt to obtain the IBN 5100 before Okabe. Episode 8b:  Fourth dmail worldline change with a destination of 0.456903. The attempt of this dmail was to change the gender of Ruka interestingly enough by sending a message to a pager before cellphones were prominent. Episode 9:  Fifth change to the worldline via dmail with a destination of 0.409420. This is another dmail where we're left in the dark as to the actual intention, but I'm personally under the belief that it was to either save the life of Feyris's father who may have died. Regardless, the outcome is the complete erasure of Akihabara as we know it. Episode 10:  Sixth change via dmail with a destionation of 0.337187. The intent of this dmail was to prevent Suzuha from leaving and giving up trying to find her father. Episode 14:  Still (roughly) on worldline 0.337187 Episode 15:  Still (roughly) on worldline 0.337187 Episode 16a:  Still (roughly) on worldline 0.337187 Episode 16b:  Seventh dmail worldline change with a destination of 0.409031. (which brings us almost back to 0.409420 where Feyris made an unknown change) The intent of this dmail was to change Suzuha's fate. Episode 17:  Eighth dmail change with a destination of 0.456914. The intend of this dmail was to undo Feyris's dmail which saved the life of her father. (per my original theory) Episode 18:  Dmail change nine with a destination of 0.523307. The intended result of this dmail was to undo Ruka's dmail which changed him into a girl. This dmail also brings us back to to right before Moeka sent her dmail. (at 0.523299) Episode 20:  Dmail change ten with a destination of 0.571046. The intended result of this dmail was the return of the IBN 5100. Note: The original after the very first dmail was 0.571024 so we've passed the lottery dmail which wasn't terribly important to begin with. This is also the point where our idiotic male lead finally realizes what comes next. He's such a damn noob... Episode 22:  Worldline change ten, destination 1.13025. Back to Beta. Episode 24:  There was a major wl change here but the final divergence (1.048596%) is unshown in the anime. ~~~~ If you have any info that you think needs added to this or corrections feel free to let me know. |
hikaricoreSep 14, 2011 9:53 AM
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4nim3w4tch3r said: nice thread, i get more of the show now. one question, can u tell me about the 1%(ichi parcento) that they talk about? is that the 'real' worldline? or does the world line move from alpha to beta(or vice versa?) to cause a big change? There is no "real' worldline persay, but there are major worldlines and minor worldlines. After a change of 1% which I believe to be equal to 1 major decimal place, things that are destined to happen in one major worldline and its minor worldlines is subject to change. This is because of whatever massive event which occurred causing the large jump in the divergence meter. As has been mentioned in the anime these massive events are often things like wars and global technological failures/breakthroughs. 4nim3w4tch3r said: p.s. i check the manga but i cant find the original world line, mind telling me with the 'spoiler' tag? |
hikaricoreJul 21, 2011 7:23 AM
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DenjaX said: There's no way Okarin could be a noob. =. = He was very occupied on saving Mayuri without thinking about others so it was reasonable that he thought about it late. Understandably so. This is the guy that witnessed his best friend die about a dozen times. |
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| He also witnessed the aftermath of Kurisu's murder in episode one.. idk I just can't imagine that slipping his mind regardless. :p |
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hikaricore said: He also witnessed the aftermath of Kurisu's murder in episode one.. idk I just can't imagine that slipping his mind regardless. :p At that point he had no idea what D-Mail was. I'm thinking that until now he was thinking that his first D-Mail was the one he sent about the lottery. |
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| That's a fair assumption, I guess I just expected more from him. |
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| What will happen when number goes higher than 2? (example 2.546786) World which would be a maximum happy end? |
PilariousD said: What will happen when number goes higher than 2? (example 2.546786) World which would be a maximum happy end? NOPE. This is taken from one of the Drama CDs 2.615074% Set in a completely separate timeline from the story, Okarin finds himself a member of the Rounders and is known as “M3″ to Moeka. Suzuha claims the future is ruled by him, betraying the trust of others. |
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kaimax said: NOPE. This is taken from one of the Drama CDs 2.615074% Set in a completely separate timeline from the story, Okarin finds himself a member of the Rounders and is known as “M3″ to Moeka. Suzuha claims the future is ruled by him, betraying the trust of others. For real?!?!?! And he kills people like Moeka? So if bigger percentage then worse the world is. The best would be 0.0% - Utopia. Hikarikore update your list episode 22: Hikaricore said that original world was 1.130246, Okarin is now in 1.130205 (only 0.000041% difference) hikaricore said: As you can see this appears to be the last number from the first worldline shift leaving us at a destination of 0.571024, however based on the manga I believe the original worldline to be a much higher number. 0.571024 is alpha world(after change) and 1.130246 is original world(before change). I think. |
Iwans18Aug 30, 2011 2:18 PM
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| I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the first episode's world line shift wasn't the first time he'd done that. In one of the future episodes Mayushii mentions Okarin was bed ridden as a child and had similar head twitches as he does when he switches world lines...only she doesn't know he's switching lines she just thinks he randomly has these migraine attacks. With that said I think he may have jumped back to when he was a kid at some point in an attempt to save everyone. This may have been the cause of his childhood sickness. His little mind couldn't handle all the information entering it. He may not even be from the beta or alpha lines. I also suspect he unintentionally caused Mayushii's loved one to die (I forgot who it was that died). |
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DemonicChocobo said: Uh. Not really. The number of the world line probably doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a label. The number itself doesn't mean much, but the difference in divergence does. The higher the difference, the more things change. 2% is more different from 0% than 1% |
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DemonicChocobo said: If Okabe wished he could continue changing history and exploring countless world lines until he finally reaches a world he desired, but I think he realized that no person should be able to do such a thing. Actually, there is very real danger to stuck in some terrible worldline, because you never created the time machine there... |
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AlexTrusk said: Actually, there is very real danger to stuck in some terrible worldline, because you never created the time machine there... But if you remember how to build it, then there is no problem. But what if because of your actions, you will never be born? And who build Time Machine(microwave)? Daru or Okabe? Or both? |
Iwans18 said: AlexTrusk said: Actually, there is very real danger to stuck in some terrible worldline, because you never created the time machine there... But if you remember how to build it, then there is no problem. But what if because of your actions, you will never be born? And who build Time Machine(microwave)? Daru or Okabe? Or both? Daru. Obake has absolutely nothing to do with the phone microwave. |
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Kansokusha said: Daru. Obake has absolutely nothing to do with the phone microwave. It's my understanding that Okabe did have SOME hand in the creation of the Phone Microwave (name subject to change), but it was mostly Daru who actually did the nitty-gritty stuff. |
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| ^ without Okabe(observer), the phone microwave is uncontrollable time destruction ... imagine people sending D-mail without knowing the big changes around themselve,they will just keep on sending D-mail untill the world end lol. To be honest, I am quite glad that Mayuri die.At least Okabe will see how dangerous the time machine is and he is willing to undo the changes.I can't even imagine the horror if Okabe announce the time machine to the open public. |
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| It isn't that SERN is evil, it's just that its methods are quite inhumane and it's basically just a puppet of the Committee of 300. |
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| I haven't even mention about sern(thou I deleted it after a while) >.>''' ...I just saying the importance of Okabe, and the death of Mayuri . |
Iwans18 said: kaimax said: NOPE. This is taken from one of the Drama CDs 2.615074% Set in a completely separate timeline from the story, Okarin finds himself a member of the Rounders and is known as “M3″ to Moeka. Suzuha claims the future is ruled by him, betraying the trust of others. For real?!?!?! And he kills people like Moeka? So if bigger percentage then worse the world is. The best would be 0.0% - Utopia. Hikarikore update your list episode 22: Hikaricore said that original world was 1.130246, Okarin is now in 1.130205 (only 0.000041% difference) Doesn't this mean that there is a possibillity that because of that small difference between original and current betaworld that Kurisu can stay alive? Or is this just based on false hope? |
JanitorsMunk said: Doesn't this mean that there is a possibillity that because of that small difference between original and current betaworld that Kurisu can stay alive? Or is this just based on false hope? It's possible (because Feyris's father's death was averted by a relatively minor shift in world lines), but not likely. |
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| *spoilers* @JanitorsMunk If 1.130246 is indeed the original starting point, and 1.130205 is the new number, then there is a slight chance of things changing for the better on their own. Though with such a small difference, it's likely just a matter of how or where or when Kurisu dies as compared to changing it completely. However, with Suzuha phoning Okabe at the end of episode 22, which never happened before, there appear to be more changes occurring than should be happening on the beta line. Now, with Suzuha's involvement, maybe Kurisu can be saved. This idea, of course, is going off the fact that I have no idea what the "true end" of the story is (which will apparently be the ending shown in episode 24), so I can honestly only hope that Kurisu manages to come out alive. EDIT: Oh, RedMage23... nice pic. Suzuha FTW <3 (even though I prefer Kurisu... <3<3<3 ) |
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Ravenhood said: However, with Suzuha phoning Okabe at the end of episode 22, which never happened before, there appear to be more changes occurring than should be happening on the beta line. Now, with Suzuha's involvement, maybe Kurisu can be saved. EDIT: Oh, RedMage23... nice pic. Suzuha FTW <3 (even though I prefer Kurisu... <3<3<3 ) It never happened before because Okabe was never IN the beta world line past July 28th. The events of the first episode happened almost 3 weeks ago. And thanks :) |
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RedMage23 said: Ravenhood said: However, with Suzuha phoning Okabe at the end of episode 22, which never happened before, there appear to be more changes occurring than should be happening on the beta line. Now, with Suzuha's involvement, maybe Kurisu can be saved. EDIT: Oh, RedMage23... nice pic. Suzuha FTW <3 (even though I prefer Kurisu... <3<3<3 ) It never happened before because Okabe was never IN the beta world line past July 28th. The events of the first episode happened almost 3 weeks ago. And thanks :) Then was that another world line entirely? (I've heard some people talk about the gamma line, but I don't know if that's the one mentioned in the drama CD, where Okabe is all evil or whatever. XD) Do the time travel rules of the world lines matter that early on? EDIT: And now that I think about it, what day does episode 22 end on? Is it back to late July? (There was a calendar on the wall... gonna go back and see if it had a date circled or something...) EDIT 2: It looks like it's back to July 23rd, around when the TV had been broken. At least, that's the vibe I got from the view we were given. Okabe staring at us, Mayuri on the couch, Daru at the computer. |
RavenhoodSep 3, 2011 4:57 PM
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Ravenhood said: EDIT: And now that I think about it, what day does episode 22 end on? Is it back to late July? (There was a calendar on the wall... gonna go back and see if it had a date circled or something...) EDIT 2: It looks like it's back to July 23rd, around when the TV had been broken. At least, that's the vibe I got from the view we were given. Okabe staring at us, Mayuri on the couch, Daru at the computer. But... that's... that makes no sense! I can understand erasing the D-Mail moves world lines, but I DON'T understand how it can just magically deposit Okabe almost 4 weeks in the past. |
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Ravenhood said: Then was that another world line entirely? (I've heard some people talk about the gamma line, but I don't know if that's the one mentioned in the drama CD, where Okabe is all evil or whatever. XD) Do the time travel rules of the world lines matter that early on? Yes, the Gamma Worldline is where Okabe betrayed everyone and became a coldblooded tyrant. The title of the drama CD says it all, Steins;Gate Drama CD Gamma "Hyde of the Dark Dimension"(Hyde - a reference to the story Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) RedMage23 said: Ravenhood said: EDIT: And now that I think about it, what day does episode 22 end on? Is it back to late July? (There was a calendar on the wall... gonna go back and see if it had a date circled or something...) EDIT 2: It looks like it's back to July 23rd, around when the TV had been broken. At least, that's the vibe I got from the view we were given. Okabe staring at us, Mayuri on the couch, Daru at the computer. But... that's... that makes no sense! I can understand erasing the D-Mail moves world lines, but I DON'T understand how it can just magically deposit Okabe almost 4 weeks in the past. It's still 17 Aug after the shift. Okabe was staring at the TV in 28 Jul, while he's staring at the flyer of Dr. Nakabachi's time machine press conference in 17 Aug. |
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| Nice post, i wish i had seen this before. xD |
| Hmm, could someone clarify the exact nature of the divergence number? To me, the term "divergence" sounds like a relative term--i.e. the number is a measure of how different the current world line is from the previous (in which case the same divergence number could refer to an infinite number of world lines, as long as their difference is the same). OR, is it an absolute measure, with each number designating a specific and unique world line? If this is the case, what exactly is the divergence measured relative to? *confused* =/ |
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| I didn't notice a divergence number after the final wl change but it's likely below the 0.000000% mark. darudarl said: Check title logo. You can find two divergence numbers. Eh? |
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| That banana. Mayushii is responsible! |
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| The divergence for S;G world line is I wonder why they didn't show it in the last episode. |
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| Considering how important divergence numbers are to the story I'd say so. |
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| I don't think so. It already showed that once the reading overtakes the boundary set by singularity, we end up in a different world line (episode 22). |
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And1ce said: so all this world line talk, i wonder what divergence C;H have ;o Since Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate and Robotic; Notes are in the same time and setting, the final divergence is the same, the Steins;Gate World Line. And it may start out the same value before the 1st D-Mail. There's only ONE active worldline. |
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kaimax said: And1ce said: so all this world line talk, i wonder what divergence C;H have ;o Since Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate and Robotic; Notes are in the same time and setting, the final divergence is the same, the Steins;Gate World Line. And it may start out the same value before the 1st D-Mail. There's only ONE active worldline. |
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| Thanks. I've updated the original post with the starting and ending divergence values. |
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"the α version (62,800yen) and the β version (59,800yen)" Official Steins;Gate Divergence Meter Replica being Sold in Limited Quantities | Unofficial Steins;Gate Wiki no way... |
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kusushi said: "the α version (62,800yen) and the β version (59,800yen)" Official Steins;Gate Divergence Meter Replica being Sold in Limited Quantities | Unofficial Steins;Gate Wiki no way... Damn, I really love that Nixie Tube things. Loved it before Steins;Gate and even more after it. You can order Nixie Tube clock like that on ebay, for example, or somewhere else on the internet. But they are very not cheap. >_> But it's more accessible way for people who lives outside Japan. And IMO some varibles a looks closer to the original VN or Anime Divergence meter than this one. I really want to get one... T_T |
FinjasSep 15, 2011 4:09 PM
| Nice summary on the divergence numbers. Episode 9 was indeed what you have speculated. Well, a more in-depth explanation: What originally happened was that her father had to fly overseas leaving Feyris behind. She said some mean things to him like go die and unfortunately enough, he died in a plane crash. Feyris sent a D-mail to telling herself to pretend she was kidnapped in order to stop her father from flying overseas thus preventing his death. Feyris' influences did not affect the town since she no longer had much of a say now that her father is around. |
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