| This is an amusing start to my day. I hadn't really intended on watching Fractale, and the only way I gonna try and watch it was through KeyHole TV. But now I'm half-tempted to go and download it. |
PheefaJan 20, 2011 6:09 AM
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
| My number one most wanted to watch show this season is cursed. I was watching it legit, now I have no choice but to watch it illegal, sigh... Also the only way to keep it off the internet is to not make it at all. |
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Skeetulz said: A few days ago: "Fractale will fail better get ready to retire" Today: "Taking down the only legal stream of Fractale" It's like they want it to fail on purpose Seriously...this is retarded. Why are they trying so hard to screw this show? It's just one arrogant declaration after another. Boohoo..the show isn't pretty enough. Oh No..The show is streaming in other streaming sites. CRAP..People are watching our show! What the hell is their malfunction?! |
Well one thing I've learned from this experience, is that a princess is still a princesss even when she is naked. |
WolfWood37 said: STM said: Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. How the hell is it stupid on Funi's part? They aren't the ones making the fansubs. It's not their fault, and yet they are the ones being punished by being told to wave their magic wand and make all fansubs disappear. If anything we should feel bad for them because they are the ones getting screwed here. Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. |
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| Normally I wouldn't care about this so much because Hulu isn't available here, but isn't FUNi, like, the only people who are subbing it right now? ;3; |
| I never did like funimation. All their dvds look really ugly in my shelves :C |
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ios said: they are paranoid about the internet, why dont they just make a site like CrunchyRoll for them to get some business going u said it man they should definitely try that |
| Big japanese corporations are generally really old fashioned. They have no idea how to do business in modern world. They are just corrupt idiots who should quit their jobs and let new generations do their work, properly. |
STM said: Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. Don't try to over simplify something as complex as Japan-US copyright deals. It's not exclusively up to FUNI to pick which countries they are allowed to showcase something. Not to mention their main source of income on the free streaming would require A LOT more work to function on a global scale, something that may just not be foreseeable on the near future considering I highly doubt they make that much money to begin with. Babels said: Exactly. Nice to see someone else who thinks this way. Personally, I've stopped watching any anime/reading manga illegally. So only people like me, who are going about it in the legal way, really lose in this case. Well, fractale wasn't quite the bees knees anyway. All the drama around that show lately has greatly diminished my desire to watch it. Yep, it's the same deal with gaming piracy, you end up hurting no one other than your customers... it's mind boggling actually. But don't fret, it's the usual generation clash... soon enough "this" people will be retired and people that know how to deal with the current world will slowly start poping up... let's just hope they still have a market to carter to 20 years from now when this finally happens ¬¬ -- ...and about the whole hate bandwagon, I did get screwed over the Witchblade release (what a piss poor job they did there) and maybe one or two other titles, but overall, I applaud their commitment to the market and will continue to like them for as long as they release quality stuff (which they do!). |
711Jan 20, 2011 8:22 AM
| "There is no stupid questions, only stupid people." |
| lol clearly the JP companies and authorities are doing a fine job "eliminating" piracy. i believe the only way to control or even eliminate piracy is to control the medium in which it is carried out. which means controlling information, the internet itself, and those who use it. i am pretty sure there are countries who actually do this sort of thing and even they can't eliminate piracy of any sort.... |
kisami said: lol clearly the JP companies and authorities are doing a fine job "eliminating" piracy. i believe the only way to control or even eliminate piracy is to control the medium in which it is carried out. which means controlling information, the internet itself, and those who use it. i am pretty sure there are countries who actually do this sort of thing and even they can't eliminate piracy of any sort.... For example China. |
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| One thing i never understood with this crap, is why people just fully download the stream and upload it to torrents. Just seems so damn pointless to me, atleast use a Higher quality raw, then the streamed one from sites... |
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| Kind of stupid since the fact that someone made a fansub has nothing to do with funimation but i don't give a shit. I don't get access to Funimation anyway. Actually their company only makes it harder to watch some anime for me so who cares. Fansubs all the way. |
| LOL seriously? There is no possible way for a company to tackle a problem whole countries fail to accomplish. Piracy isn't going to end. Deal with it Japan. |
FatherAndersonJan 20, 2011 1:42 PM
| Hmm, the number of illegal subs is rising quite a bit... I know lets PUNISH THE PEOPLE DOING IT LEGALLY, then surely, it will get through the illegal subbers! BRILLIANT! ...Yeah. |
FatherAnderson said: They are probably just making public statements so they can pin the blame on someone else when their product fails. It seems like there's some good old behind-the-scenes fighting here.LOL seriously? There is no possible way for a company to tackle a problem whole countries fail to accomplish. Pirating isn't going to end. Deal with it Japan. And for the people who mentioned Funi's C&D letters, I haven't ever heard of those having any sort of consequences in the end. At best the groups that got them would cease in public then create shadow groups to continue their work. At worst the group would merely laugh in Funimation's face and continue as if nothing was wrong. |
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| don't they realize that the raw's will always be around? of, the power of internet.... ironically enough, they didn't tell japanese tv stations to stop showing it if anything, it's the fractale producers who should pull the plug on the show, as it pisses all over the original manga/novel's character designs |
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STM said: WolfWood37 said: STM said: Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. How the hell is it stupid on Funi's part? They aren't the ones making the fansubs. It's not their fault, and yet they are the ones being punished by being told to wave their magic wand and make all fansubs disappear. If anything we should feel bad for them because they are the ones getting screwed here. Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. I agree there, the problem is that different countries have different companies that license the anime. So then you get into problems similar to Harmony Gold and Macross here in the states. Then even if they get past that issue, they have to hire more people to translate into different languages for those other countries. |
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| Baka hanashi... Deal with it! YOU CANNOT STOP PIRACY!EVER! Unless the internet dies or something O_O which is never >:) Seriously blaming FUNi for this is ridiculous >_> I don't watch Failtale anyway ^^ |
AozureJan 20, 2011 1:00 PM
B-chan911 said: They weren't. Their simulcasting was legal. The Japanese producers just decided that there were too many free fansubs videos of the show floating around the net and denied FUNimation permission to simulcast until they stopped them all or some crap like that. Funny how they fail to realize this isn't Funi's sole fault at all since there wouldn't be fansubs at all if there were no raws to use. But well, the tards like to believe they are perfect while the US companies are the one who suck, oh well.I really don't get the big deal over all of this...so, how was FUNi obtaining the so-called "illegal" videos? |
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| ok so they told funi to stop the simulcast because of illegal file sharing right? So by canceling the only legal way to watch it they hope to stop people from watching it illegally.... 2+2=7 |
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thenube74 said: ok so they told funi to stop the simulcast because of illegal file sharing right? So by canceling the only legal way to watch it they hope to stop people from watching it illegally.... 2+2=7 Someone doesn't realise that businesses are still making a profit off of legal subs. When groups such as HorribleSubs take this profit area away and release it for free, it's obviously not what they want. Oh MAL, thinking FUNi's stream is free. It may only be 360p, but they're certainly profiting. >mfw no one here seems to realise that piracy is a pretty big deal in Japan and that many people are arrested a year due to uploading RAWs to the net.  |
| Purple hair in episode 2 please? |
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| ah good job |
Onibokusu said: thenube74 said: ok so they told funi to stop the simulcast because of illegal file sharing right? So by canceling the only legal way to watch it they hope to stop people from watching it illegally.... 2+2=7 Someone doesn't realise that businesses are still making a profit off of legal subs. When groups such as HorribleSubs take this profit area away and release it for free, it's obviously not what they want. Oh MAL, thinking FUNi's stream is free. It may only be 360p, but they're certainly profiting. >mfw no one here seems to realise that piracy is a pretty big deal in Japan and that many people are arrested a year due to uploading RAWs to the net. yeah i realize that piracy is bad, it's just that there are some people, including myself, who would rather watch on funi to support them rather than some other site. But by ending the simulcast the only way we can watch is illegally which just brings profit to fansubs. This plan just seems to lead to more pirating. |
RedGraveXIIIJan 20, 2011 4:13 PM
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TheUnknownX said: Big japanese corporations are generally really old fashioned. They have no idea how to do business in modern world. They are just corrupt idiots who should quit their jobs and let new generations do their work, properly. Sales excluding Japan are cruel. |
| In other news, UTW released their "illegal" version of it in glorious 720p. They sure did a good job on stopping the piracy. |
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| damn i liked it but what can u do |
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| So what are they trying to say here?! http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-20/fractale-french-simulcast-still-continues That's some BS! And they get 1080p!! While America only gets was getting 360p. |
Yuri-HimeJan 20, 2011 5:54 PM
| their loss =/ oh well, since I can't watch it legally anymore I guess i'll just go watch some illegal fansubs that you can find just about anywhere ಠ⌣ಠ~ |
Yuri-Hime said: Now this is interesting, especially considering the fact French viewers have the same illegal torrents at hand. The web is not separated by borders after all. Heck, I bet FUNimation could use this to fight back at their retarded ultimatum...if they so desired.So what are they trying to say here?! http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-20/fractale-french-simulcast-still-continues That's some BS! And they get 1080p!! While America only gets was getting 360p. |
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| If only this was Crunchyroll. |
| OH NO.... How will I see Fractale now??? BTW, what the Fuck is fractale and why should I care? |
Now this is interesting, especially considering the fact French viewers have the same illegal torrents at hand. The web is not separated by borders after all. Heck, I bet FUNimation could use this to fight back at their retarded ultimatum...if they so desired. It's like their saying that North America are the only Pirates in the world. Well to me that is. I think Funi should try and fight back if they really want to simulcast it that is. Well I don't really care what Funi does really since am just going to download it from UTW so it's all good. |
Onibokusu said: thenube74 said: ok so they told funi to stop the simulcast because of illegal file sharing right? So by canceling the only legal way to watch it they hope to stop people from watching it illegally.... 2+2=7 Someone doesn't realise that businesses are still making a profit off of legal subs. When groups such as HorribleSubs take this profit area away and release it for free, it's obviously not what they want. Oh MAL, thinking FUNi's stream is free. It may only be 360p, but they're certainly profiting. And you missed the point, They took away the only legal way of viewing, despite fansubbers still ripping the 720p Japanese release. So instead of having how ever minor profit they where making off the Funi stream they are making nothing now, nor did they hedge illegal file sharing even half a percent. It was entirely pointless and actually hurt them instead of helped them by pulling it. >mfw no one here seems to realise that piracy is a pretty big deal in Japan and that many people are arrested a year due to uploading RAWs to the net. Sure if you ignore the fact that Japanese blu-ray sales raise exponentially every year. Piracy doesn't cause losses, it just causes less profit. instead of making 2,000,000 that year they only make 1,800,000 that year. So they get all the bitchy about that 200,000 that didn't make that year even though they can't even prove they would have made that money regardless of piracy. |
JigeroJan 20, 2011 8:34 PM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| It took me a while to get what Japan really want to happen. I mean, lolwut? *scratches head* I'm not from the US though so I can't stream legally and there's no way I can support Funi-Fractale right now. |
| Not a big loss, besides streaming quality sucks major balls and there's not even 1 website streaming it for my country in the end fansubs or DVD releases subbed in various languages are of much higher quality then Funi and Crunchy ever will be. It's pretty hard getting anything legal in my country as dubs are lame and if I do find something big chance it is subbed in french which is even lamer. I'll keep watching my ripped fansubs thank you very much untill streaming website's can make it global and same quality as the fansubbers. |
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| The quality of simucast is fast but just horrible... I never liked this idea from the beginning, glad it's suspended... businesses goes back to fansubbers |
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| @Jigero Piracy doesn't cause losses, it just causes less profit. ...instead of having how ever minor profit they where making You make some pretty broad claims. I would love to see some backbone to those. I for one don't like to assume things I don't have hard facts to lean my assumptions on, so I would like to hear yours. I can give in on your stance on BlueRay, but the way you interpret it is flawed. The raw numbers are slightly better than what they were a year ago, but that is not because the market is substantially growing like you seem to argue. I can also give in on the quality of the streams. The truth is fasubbers are their market competitors, and as long as they don't offer an equally good or better alternative they have no ground to base their claims against piracy. All that aside, I think it's still too soon for anyone to be taking sides. We simply do not know how to deal with copyright in our current paradigm involving the internet. Instead of either siding with "the evil corporates" or the "freedom fighters of the internet" I would rather remain ambiguous about the subject at least until we can paint the whole picture. The music "issue" has been going for the most part of the last decade and we are still far from reaching some sort of mid term. |
| "There is no stupid questions, only stupid people." |
| @RyuujinRagnar Please people, stop making claims without ANYTHING to back it up! It's beyond ridiculous. No, anime would NOT make a cent here in Brazil, I reside here and I know full well how our market works. Anime released locally can barely make it even, and I am talking about fully dubbed/localized Ghibli titles. We also have the uncut boxsets for Naruto (I actually am yet to confirm this) and a few others, but guess what, they don't sell for crap. Entertainment in developing countries such as ours is beyond risky, it's just plainly stupid most of the time. Look at Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony... with 80 ~ 90% piracy who on it's right mind would make a bet to bring anything over? We just got PS3 for Christmas 2010! X-Box Live took how many years again to be worth bringing over? Blizzard just started properly dealing with pt-br market with Starcraft II... before that all we had were half assed dub-only translation were they didn't even bother to translate the expansions. And I am using video games as a sample because they are far more mainstream than anime is. The reason why we get censored stuff is simply because what we do get is "second hand market". Our deals mostly come trough US companies, thus our "raws" are butchered from conception. The titles we get ported straight from Japan with PlayArte, Sony and I think one or two other are the real deal. I have all Ghibli national releases, and I can attest the DVD9 ones (for some reason I have some funky Howl's Moving Castle dvd5 release ¬¬) have a fair quality... I did compare some with their R2 counterparts and there is indeed a quality drop, but it's still nice to see them coming here with competitive prices (around 15US$ a movie). We had a thing going a couple of years back with Saint Seya (they tried to make a fuss with similar shows and ended up backfiring on them) and currently the manga publishing is making a nice push with JBC, Panini and NewPOP (currently I buy 3 series from them and all are properly translated AND uncensored... even if a bit pricey) but no, I don't see a sustainable market for anime in Brazil currently. I did bother to go to "animeFriends" this year and it's mostly a Narutard event with heavy focus on cosplay, it's NOT an anime con.... yet.... sadly. I can't talk much about the fansub scene since I droped out of it a couple of years back in favour of the English one (most of national fansubbers just suck), but I did follow Shakaw releases and they struggled to sustain a swam a couple of weeks after release, and that for Naruto episodes. As far as US and EU go, I am fairly sure it's mostly copyright/legal issues that put them behind. It's still a niche market, but they certainly could grasp to a wider audience if they REALLY put some pressure... I think it's just in their nature not to take risks and/or open up to globalization. |
711Jan 21, 2011 1:56 PM
| "There is no stupid questions, only stupid people." |
| Good job thinking this through, Japan. Not only am I still watching the exact same fansubs as before, which come out right after the show airs and in better quality, but I'm sure quite a few of the people who cared enough to watch Funi's official stream instead are now watching those fansubs, too. Thanks for supporting fansubbing, Japan. |
peix said: I know, right? Brilliant plan. I was actually streaming it off YouTube on my television but I guess I'll just force my lazy self to download it.Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime. GENIUS |
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