Second Season of Panty &amp; Stocking Is Up To the Director

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The fanboy in me wants it to happen so badly. I did not expect to like the show as much as I did, but it's definitely my favorite of this year. The show is a lot of fun, I think people who think it's trash are kind of full of themselves because they (laughably) somehow find it 'offensive', and it's about as offensive as any sitcom on tv today.

Either way, totally up for a second season if it's approved. If for some reason it can't be done, an OVA series would also be cool.

Dec 28, 2010 10:20 PM

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Man, with the way people are responding to this with such dismay you'd thick it was an 80's exploitation movie.

Dec 28, 2010 10:36 PM

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so many people here seem to not like the show. well you know what they say, the loudest people are the compainers and haters. personaly i love the show and cant wait for the second season. i hope that scanty and kneesocks will be the central characters this time since panty is out of the way and stocking is evil

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Dec 28, 2010 10:50 PM

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All the haters should just shut up.

If you don't want a second season, don't watch it, nobody's forcing you to. Let the fans enjoy a second season.

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Anyways, I'd love a second season ^.^

Dec 28, 2010 11:02 PM

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you and me both. i relaly hope they make a second season.

Dec 29, 2010 12:06 AM

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Lots of "It's New So It Sucks" going on here.

Everyone on the internet is just out to voice opinions and start flamewars I suppose. While not the best show ever, It's still better than a lot of the more recent moeblob stuff sitting around.

Dec 29, 2010 6:17 AM

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Do want.

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Dec 29, 2010 9:40 AM

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AntiSpiral said:
Also, A2ZOMG, what is it with the 'lol people actually like this? they must be being silly'? Plus you're saying the show will be overrated and people will give it 'silly ratings' based on.. the logic that you thought the show was low quality. Right.

And you proved one of my points just now. Everyone who is a hater or fanboy/girl for this show is silly.

I'm neither a hater or fan of this show. But the facts are that this show had a huge consistency problem which only stands to get worse the longer the show continues. It's blatantly clear that Gainax was running out of ideas during many of the episodes of the show.

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Comedy: Now here's the hardest part. Because whether a certain type of commedy is good or not, is very subjective. However I'll try to be fair: I think, if you're not too fussy, you'll be entertained, now laugh? That's a bit harder. I myself don't think insults and lame sex jokes are funny at all. the jokes are all pretty much the same, and worse than that, they feel kinda forced, they just crossed the line between funny and awkward.
The references are interesting, but not enough to make up for the lack of a real plot or comedy.

Let me make it clear what makes humor good and bad.

Good humor in comedy has to be relevant to the plot. And this is a primary reason why Panty and Stocking usually isn't funny. A huge quantity of the jokes and references have ZERO relevance to anything that happens in the plot. They basically come and go, and they might as well have not existed.

Panty's Engrish profanity is the best example of this offense. It's bad humor, because it has nothing to do with anything that happens. It's just there because some crackhead on the staff thought it was a good idea.

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Dec 29, 2010 9:42 AM

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lobkestar said:
Dropped

me too. I mean the first episode had a toilet monster or something. C'mon man..

Family guy have a dog and it talks, drive and drink, almost people see the series. Why? Because it's comedy, unreal life and critics to the society.

P&S same thing: OMG A GIANT CRAP ON THE CITY *...* HAHAHA NICE ONE, REALLY CREATIVE!!

You sir have lost the great anime/cartoon comedy of this year and hell yea it was much better than most of the animes with ninjas and complicate plots.

Dec 29, 2010 9:54 AM

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How come people hate this series? Is it because of the art? I've watched Kaiba months ago and the art is totally different from other anime just like this series.

I enjoyed it from the first episode to the last. And most of my friends like it, too. Plus, I'm proud that my friends have good taste in anime!

Dec 29, 2010 10:21 AM

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A2ZOMG said:
Let me make it clear what makes humor good and bad.

Good humor in comedy has to be relevant to the plot. And this is a primary reason why Panty and Stocking usually isn't funny. A huge quantity of the jokes and references have ZERO relevance to anything that happens in the plot. They basically come and go, and they might as well have not existed.

Panty's Engrish profanity is the best example of this offense. It's bad humor, because it has nothing to do with anything that happens. It's just there because some crackhead on the staff thought it was a good idea.

I really have to disagree here. Haven't finished P&S yet and don't find it especially funny at the moment, but this statement just isn't right.

That definition about “good humor” might be your very own definition but it is definitely not the definition. If we go by your definition, every comedy series that has no plot whatsoever is automatically bad?
Gintamas humor was most of the time totally not relevant to the plot and you could gone without them..but it won't be ranked 3rd if people don't find it funny. Most of the slice of life comedy out there don't have a plot...but this doesn't make them less funny.

Again, this is your very own view why P&S is not funny for you. The humor just doesn't appeal to you. But there really is nothing wrong with P&S's humor...

Dec 29, 2010 11:00 AM

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I really have to disagree here. Haven't finished P&S yet and don't find it especially funny at the moment, but this statement just isn't right.

That definition about “good humor” might be your very own definition but it is definitely not the definition. If we go by your definition, every comedy series that has no plot whatsoever is automatically bad?
Gintamas humor was most of the time totally not relevant to the plot and you could gone without them..but it won't be ranked 3rd if people don't find it funny. Most of the slice of life comedy out there don't have a plot...but this doesn't make them less funny.

Again, this is your very own view why P&S is not funny for you. The humor just doesn't appeal to you. But there really is nothing wrong with P&S's humor...

You obviously don't understand. Watch Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei, a show that lacks a cohesive plot, but has a LEGIT sense of humor. The jokes in SZS have actual relevance to the events that transpire in the show.

Comedy is not purely subjective, rather good comedy has mostly objective reasons as to why it is funny.

Dec 29, 2010 11:13 AM

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Calm down kids. It's just an anime, an amusing one at that.

Dec 29, 2010 11:28 AM

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Yes P&S is an anime, but is it amusing? Inconsistently.

The jokes in P&S are legitimately not funny most of the time. Panty's Engrish swears are stupid and really don't have any point or relevance besides proving that this show is secretly oriented towards children or equally immature teenagers who absolutely have to laugh at swears. X random reference to other American rock bands that lasts for only 1 second? Again who gives a shit? It's not funny or creative. All P&S does most of the time is make a lot of random events, but there is a huge lack of relevant comedy to accompany it.

All in all, it shows that Gainax was sorely lacking in creativity in the production of this show. A second season of this show would at best be an eyesore with that considered.

Dec 29, 2010 11:28 AM

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animelly said:
How come people hate this series? Is it because of the art? I've watched Kaiba months ago and the art is totally different from other anime just like this series.

Pfft, I love the art.
I also like the music too. I just don't think the series is that...funny.
It's too LOL RANDUM XD for me.

Mind you, I watched 8 episodes out of 13.
I find all this arguing in this thread kind of silly though.

Dec 29, 2010 11:43 AM

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A2ZOMG said:

Good humor in comedy has to be relevant to the plot.

A2ZOMG said:
Watch Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei, a show that lacks a cohesive plot, but has a LEGIT sense of humor.

Doesn't this sound contradicting to you?

But lets pretend this was just a mistake in phrasing. You are again taking your very own subjective view on what comedy should be and force it onto people. Too bad I quite liked the first season of Sayonara Zesubo Sensei so I can't argue here. But I liked it because I liked the humor, not because of some obscure measurement units on what is funny and what not.

A2ZOMG said:

Comedy is not purely subjective, rather good comedy has mostly objective reasons as to why it is funny.

No, there aren't. Really, there are few things, that are more subjective than an individual's sense of humor. Objectivity means, independent from the observer and free from any emotional influences. Both goes fundamentally against the very meaning of humor.

Dec 29, 2010 11:49 AM

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What's even more silly is the people who either rate this show extremely high or extremely low, since it's quite frankly ridiculous to see how many people don't know what they're talking about.

Dec 29, 2010 12:07 PM

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A2ZOMG said:

The jokes in P&S are legitimately not funny most of the time.

Really? Sure it's crude and lowbrow, but I appreciated the sincerity and the ridiculous aspect of it all. And why does every joke have to be relevant to an almost nonexistent plot? The synopsis is given obviously, but the show relies primarily on their day to day life on earth, collecting those heaven coins. I think you're looking for something that isn't even in the show, consistency was not part of P&S's goal.

Dec 29, 2010 1:56 PM

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mljato said:
But lets pretend this was just a mistake in phrasing. You are again taking your very own subjective view on what comedy should be and force it onto people. Too bad I quite liked the first season of Sayonara Zesubo Sensei so I can't argue here. But I liked it because I liked the humor, not because of some obscure measurement units on what is funny and what not.

The point is that Sayanara Zetsubo Sensei has jokes that are intelligent. One of the key influencing factors in the intelligence of a joke is in fact how relevant the jokes are to the other events of the comedy.

The subjectivity of humor is merely the understanding and appreciation for humor, or lack of it, and human understanding and intelligence is what ACTUALLY varies from person to person. This doesn't change the fact that there are clearly jokes that are good, and jokes that are bad.

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Really? Sure it's crude and lowbrow, but I appreciated the sincerity and the ridiculous aspect of it all. And why does every joke have to be relevant to an almost nonexistent plot? The synopsis is given obviously, but the show relies primarily on their day to day life on earth, collecting those heaven coins. I think you're looking for something that isn't even in the show, consistency was not part of P&S's goal.

That's a bull argument. Every show has to be consistent at something, otherwise it's pointless and not entertainment. It doesn't matter how much you're trying to troll people. There has to be a consistent point to entertainment.

And yes, jokes have to be relevant to even your non-existent plot be good. Otherwise they are pointless and mindless gags, and nothing more. The level of maturity you need to laugh at a gag like Panty's Engrish profanity is pretty much comparable to that of a child or equally immature teenager. It's not creative or actually funny. It's just stupid. And similarly the gazillions of reference to pop culture. What is the point of them? They don't mean anything in the shenanigans that Panty and Stocking involve themselves in, and they might as well not exist, since the overall effect is the same without them.

This is unlike Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei, where a chain of stalkers is in fact very much relevant to a misunderstanding that happened between characters. Yes it's totally random, but it has actual relevance, and thus a basis for being funny.

Panty and Stocking pretty much just makes events that often lack relevant humor. There isn't an intelligent basis for finding it funny. It's just a statement that the show is secretly oriented towards children or equally immature teenagers.

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Dec 29, 2010 2:33 PM

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Comedy is not purely subjective, rather good comedy has mostly objective reasons as to why it is funny.

I wonder if you realize that you haven't given even one "objective" definition of good comedy; you're just running in circles with subjective adjective after subjective adjective.

Dec 29, 2010 2:56 PM

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A2ZOMG said:
The point is that Sayanara Zetsubo Sensei has jokes that are intelligent. One of the key influencing factors in the intelligence of a joke is in fact how relevant the jokes are to the other events of the comedy.

Why? If you're making clearly subjective statements that you want people to take as fact, you must provide solid reasoning as to why they're facts.

A2ZOMG said:
The subjectivity of humor is merely the understanding and appreciation for humor, or lack of it, and human understanding and intelligence is what ACTUALLY varies from person to person. This doesn't change the fact that there are clearly jokes that are good, and jokes that are bad.

There are jokes that are well-delivered and jokes that aren't well-delivered. That's all there is to it. Just like there isn't something like an inherently good story or an inherently good character, there isn't something like an inherently good joke. In any work of art, content is only as good as the execution.

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That's a bull argument. Every show has to be consistent at something, otherwise it's pointless and not entertainment. There has to be a consistent point to entertainment.

Everything has to adhere to the exact same rules and try to entretain people in the exact same way?

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And yes, jokes have to be relevant to even your non-existent plot be good. Otherwise they are pointless and mindless gags, and nothing more.

The appeal is the execution, the stylistic aesthetics used to make the show come to life.

A2ZOMG said:
The level of maturity you need to laugh at a gag like Panty's Engrish profanity is pretty much comparable to that of a child or equally immature teenager.

Panty's abuse of Engrish profanity isn't a gag, it's a character trait.

A2ZOMG said:
And similarly the gazillions of reference to pop culture. What is the point of them?

There isn't any. The staff is just having fun and trying to communicate their fun to the audience. The enjoyment comes from how thorough they are in their references and quotations. Unlike SZS's barely similar, shoddily drawn "refereces", that range from Code Geass to Eureka Seven, PanSto's references are drawn with as much care as everything else in the show.

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They don't mean anything in the shenanigans that Panty and Stocking involve themselves in, and they might as well not exist, since the overall effect is the same without them.

It's about the journey, not about the destination.

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Panty and Stocking pretty much just makes events that often lack relevant humor. There isn't an intelligent basis for finding it funny.

The energetic, relentless performance of every single element in the show.

Dec 29, 2010 3:45 PM

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You are giving too much credit to SZS. Granted, some jokes were intelligent and helped driving the characters, but SZS also had a great amount of totally flat, not funny, irrelevant, juvenile, repetitive jokes. See what I did there? I expressed a totally subjective opinion about humor. Some jokes you might find intelligent while I perceive them as totally dull...and no objective measurement woud prove either of us right or wrong.

And also...good humor needs to be intelligent to be good? This kind of contradicts your own list. I found the first 3 episodes of Sora no Otoshimono painfully unfunny because stupid and dropped it...you rated it 10. Who is right?
Or lets talk about a show we both finished and liked. Seitokai Yakuindomo. I loved that show for its sheer amount of juvenile humor, its incorrectness and its balls...but surely not because of its intelligence.

If you are saying intelligence alone makes a good joke, then you are disregarding all the unintelligent things that are funny. If only intelligent jokes are funny, the world would be a boring place.

to the next person barging in, telling us to stop the argument, note: this is not an argument, its a discussion. You don't have to read it; you can move on and enrich this thread with your “Yay” or “Boo” comment instead.

Dec 29, 2010 5:16 PM

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mljato said:
You are giving too much credit to SZS. Granted, some jokes were intelligent and helped driving the characters, but SZS also had a great amount of totally flat, not funny, irrelevant, juvenile, repetitive jokes. See what I did there? I expressed a totally subjective opinion about humor. Some jokes you might find intelligent while I perceive them as totally dull...and no objective measurement woud prove either of us right or wrong.

What few unfunny jokes SZS does have are irrelevant both to this discussion, and most likely irrelevant to what actually happens in the show.

And also...good humor needs to be intelligent to be good? This kind of contradicts your own list. I found the first 3 episodes of Sora no Otoshimono painfully unfunny because stupid and dropped it...you rated it 10. Who is right?
Or lets talk about a show we both finished and liked. Seitokai Yakuindomo. I loved that show for its sheer amount of juvenile humor, its incorrectness and its balls...but surely not because of its intelligence.

Yes, good humor is intelligent.

Sora no Otoshimono has some of the most intelligent humor of its genre, complete with original concepts that the show does a great job of diving in depth to. And I rated it a 9 for your information. It wasn't always as good as I wanted it to be, but it was exceptional when it was good. And it was also complete with a pretty solid story and cast of characters in spite of its supposed genre.

Seitokai Yakuindomo actually has very intelligent and brilliant humor. What you have to realize in context is that what is being made fun of, aka teenage girl perceptions of guys, is what actually exists in real life. It's actually a shame you didn't realize that yourself.

If you are saying intelligence alone makes a good joke, then you are disregarding all the unintelligent things that are funny. If only intelligent jokes are funny, the world would be a boring place.

It's not just the "intelligence". The joke has to be relevant to the situation.

Dec 29, 2010 9:28 PM

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A2ZOMG said:
That's a bull argument. Every show has to be consistent at something, otherwise it's pointless and not entertainment. It doesn't matter how much you're trying to troll people. There has to be a consistent point to entertainment.

Says who? I don't recall you being the all knowing judge of what's funny and what's not. You go on about needing consistency in a show, when that's really not the point of this one.

Dec 30, 2010 2:17 AM

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If you can tell me there is a point to P&S, that is a consistency whether you like to call it that or not. A show without a point or consistent area of focus isn't entertainment. However what is in fact true about Panty and Stocking is they pretty much do a lot of nothing several episodes. They just throw events at you that aren't funny, intelligent, or redeeming stories. They try to do a lot of things, but fail to do any of them with any quality consistency many times. The main thing that is consistent about P&S is that they are crude, but South Park is a much better example of a crude show that is successful with many episodes that feature by far much better humor than what P&S has to offer.

P&S is average entertainment at best. Only a few of the mini plots they come up with actually are original and creative and more than just a heap of bad random plot and characters. The last thing they are consistent with is production quality, which is pretty good. Besides that, P&S fails as a story, and generally produces mediocre comedy that really doesn't have a point most of the time.

Anyhow, it's BLATANTLY obvious that Gainax was grasping at straws for good ideas, given that they only had a few ideas that could be considered good in the span of 13 episodes. More of the show was tasteless jokes and references with no relevance to the events that transpired. A second season from this show will inevitably be far worse than the first season, which at best struggled to be original.

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Dec 30, 2010 3:26 AM

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A2ZOMG said:

Sora no Otoshimono has some of the most intelligent humor of its genre, complete with original concepts that the show does a great job of diving in depth to. And I rated it a 9 for your information. It wasn't always as good as I wanted it to be, but it was exceptional when it was good. And it was also complete with a pretty solid story and cast of characters in spite of its supposed genre.

Seitokai Yakuindomo actually has very intelligent and brilliant humor. What you have to realize in context is that what is being made fun of, aka teenage girl perceptions of guys, is what actually exists in real life. It's actually a shame you didn't realize that yourself.

This is going in circles, so I'll keep it short.

I am telling you that I found the first 3 episodes of Sora no Otoshimono to be utterly stupid, unintelligent and unimaginative. If you perceive otherwise, good for you, that's your right. If people think P&S is brilliant executed and hilarious, it's also their right and you have no objective way to prove it wrong.
All the negative points you have named till now are purely subjective and only mirrors your own view.

Same goes for your reasoning why Seitokai is actually intelligent. It's your own view and its fine but it doesn't make sense to me.

You know, I am not arguing about your view, I am arguing about how you think your view is some kind of universal truth.

Dec 30, 2010 4:19 AM

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P&S is average entertainment at best.

A second season from this show will inevitably be far worse than the first season, which at best struggled to be original.

duh give it a rest Panty and Stocking score is not that groundbreaking like 9+ so why the heck your preaching and predicting that the second season will suck? if they make a second season its because its business as usual for them as its profitable so if GAINAX fail on second season then let them right? i read your post(s) as though your commanding GAINAX to stop making second season for this show and thats just silly

and besides lots of mediocre/average shows gets a second season and you know it so why dictate GAINAX to stop making second season? even bleach and naruto shippuden are more facking bad because of the fillers and drop of animation quality and very slow story pacing than this show but look at it they are still being made why? because people like it its profitable thats all

if you want anime that are more intelligent then your free to watch those so to be fair give freedom to people that do like this show too because if you havent notice your indirectly dictating the preference of others with your taste dude its ok to voice your hate or opinion but if its too much already like here you got like 5+ reply about this thats just forcing your logic to others thats not how it works man

Dec 30, 2010 12:51 PM

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WANT, very much want!

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