ShibuyaRiver said: Sure I consider myself the unofficial Angel Beats admin, but god damn, people think this is incredible? This is BABY'S FIRST MELODRAMA Am I the only one who's not getting this guy? |
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Tecu said: AirStyles said: ShibuyaRiver said: Sure I consider myself the unofficial Angel Beats admin, but god damn, people think this is incredible? This is BABY'S FIRST MELODRAMA Am I the only one who's not getting this guy? Nope. I have no clue what he's trying to say either. I'm saying is, there is nothing in this series that is even worth the title 'incredible', everything in this show is medicore at best. |
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ShibuyaRiver said: I'm saying is, there is nothing in this series that is even worth the title 'incredible', everything in this show is medicore at best. Likeable characters Decent animation (sometimes) A solid OST thats pretty much all the praise I can give the series, the plot although interesting and full of twists just cant keep up with its own pace. Things are too rushed, a lot of events just happen too fast and then are put in the back burner too quickly to leave any lasting impressions. Like I mentioned before this being a 13 episode had waaay too much crammed into it for it to work...which is why I also agree that while the series is very enjoyable, its just far from being incredible and not even close to the same quality as shows like Clannad and Kanon. |
Tecu said: Guess I'm just not a big fan of this type of thing. It was worth a try, I suppose. But people with shit standards, aka, half of the people in this thread, thinks it's awesome. SO DON'T BE HATIN' XDDDD!! |
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Tecu said: Yeah... I've been wondering if it's because of my standards set too high, or, because there's something I don't understand but everyone else does.. Weren't you around when this show first aired? If you said ANYTHING bad about the show, you were labeled a troll. |
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| This anime isn't THAT BAD. It's amazing ^_^ i got to say. Clannad is JUST WOOW! but i still prefer angel beats over clannad>_< |
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| I can't say Angel Beats! is better than Clannad atm. This show has yet to get me half as emotionally involved as Clannad. Clannad was packed with good moments, even very simple line can be meaningful in the show, Angel Beats! don't have that "punching power." But the humor, Artwork, Music alone have made the show very worthwhile. I admit that I actually enjoyed this show quite a bit. I really enjoyed Jun Maeda's usual writing, though weaker atm, it's his writing and it's enjoyable. Music by Lia(gatha love her vocals), as well as the Director of "Seto no Hanayome" as the director... It's like a collaboration show for me, which is probably why I can enjoy this show without being overly fussy over the plot, flow and logic. Granted, this show is no Clannad. At the same time, bare in mind that this show is actually a project Jun and Aniplex come up with, it's not the usual successful visual novel adaption. I laughed at the humor, my breath was taken away because of the artwork, and the music really pleases my ears. (To add, the concept of the show is rather interesting) For me, this is all that really mattered for this show. These points alone will easily get Angel Beats! 7/10 from me(7/10 = not very high quality but very enjoyable) 2 episodes to go. Unless they f'ed up very bad, this show will not get the "horrible view" from me. /Opinion EDIT: I wrote more than I thought I would.. hmmm... |
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AirStyles said: These points alone will easily get Angel Beats! 7/10 from me(7/10 = not very high quality but very enjoyable) I think Angel Beats is something you either like or you hate. Its not Clannad, nor is it Kanon or Air. Its not a masterpiece but it does have its good bits, namely the art and the awesome OST. The story also gets better as it goes along. Imo it has played to its strengths quite well; when i averaged out the scores I gave to each aspect (story, art etc) I came to 8.8 which is 9 rounded. If i tried to give it an overall score without thinking about each aspect separately it would be closer to 7. I think this really says something about how it doesn't really leave that lasting impression that Clannad does, but imo it is still a good show all things considered. |
| Episode 12 was interesting... but I'm not making any judgement for now. However, what I will say is, the show would be a lot better if it had 24 episodes... It got more contents than Air and almost equal amount of episodes... (and IMO, Air needed more episodes too, things are not looking great for Angel Beats! who got a lot more content/potential and unanswered questions.) But, NGE wouldn't have gotten a 9 from me if it weren't for the last episode... who knows if Angel Beats can pull something off too... |
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kerobear said: This anime isn't THAT BAD. It's amazing ^_^ i got to say. Clannad is JUST WOOW! but i still prefer angel beats over clannad>_< Typical fan for this type of series. Notice the spelling and use of emotioncons. |
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Tecu said: I've got a 3-day ban for "trolling". So don't be surprised if that post gets you a temporary ban too even if you're not trolling. Just thought I'd let you know. I'd laugh. Honestly. Disagree with opinions? LOL HE'S TROLLING xD |
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| No, the problem with this series is that it's too short. They are cramming a plot that would be more properly fitted into 24 episodes in just 13 episodes. |
haisaki said: Guys. I think this thread is pretty much over because Shibuya says this anime is "mediocre" and his biased opinion is everything. Humor me, how am I biased? I've you've seen the past episode threads (most of them I started), my opinions on the show have ALWAYS been mixed, some positive, mostly negative. |
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| I've to say that I can't understand how this show can be labelled as "incredible" really. I reckon it's not crappy or bad either but there are a lot of things that could have been explained or developed and others that make no sense, imo. The "come on, it's only a 13 episode series!" excuse doesn't work to begin with because if you are planning to do a 13 episode series then you have to plan everything so that you get to the last episode and don't feel like something is lacking. There are plenty of 13 episode series that achieved more than this one. And you could always cut some filler parts to make room for development. Another thing that annoyed me was the fact that we kept seeing the past of some characters while the others' were simply ignored. I mean, we spend one entire episode talking about Yui and Hinata's past... I'd be sincerely more interested on knowing TK's past since he's the most eccentric and mysterious person of the bunch. And I hope they mention Kanade's past as well. Not to mention that some scenes were far-fetched, I mean, there are two robbers or whatever robbing a house and instead of searching for valuables on their own they leave that task to a kid who is allowed to run around the house despite the fact there might be a phone around through which she can call the police, etc. Plus, why did they started attacking Kanade in the first place? Because they thought she was God's angel? Why's that? About the characters, even though I somewhat like two of them, you can find all kinds of characteristic cliché there, not to mention the semblances some have with other anime characters, either physically or mentally. I did enjoy some of the gags they made, especially those involving Naoi, which by the way, looks and speaks like Naoto from Persona 4 (even the names are similar lol). The music imo, is one of the things I can honestly say that adds a lot to the series though the artwork isn't bad either. I find this series enjoyable, but saying this is "incredible" is exaggerating. But I guess it's a matter of personal taste. |
Confucius said: This show does not even have a strong plot, I am actually still unsure what the plot is. Basically, the storyline is that they thought Kanade was the evil person and tried to kill her so they thought they can be happy. But from the 10th or 11th episode, they realized what they did was wrong and now found out their real goal of why they're in this world. |
TheWholeCompany said: If you can dig into the story and presentation, like other animes, and pull out key concepts, then perhaps you can find the possibility of calling it "incredible". You either lack the want to, found it, but it doesn't appeal to your personal taste, or are still looking. Too bad an anime is not about finding key concepts but how those same key concepts are presented. Correct me f I'm wrong, but those very same things I referred as being far-fetched are two of the key concepts or at least one is. Yet no one explained why they thought Kanade was evil in the first place. That's an easy way of justifying all kinds of anime, each and every single anime has key concepts yet only a very small part of those are considered "incredible". That has to mean something. |
| The story is very poorly written. No adequate build-up of events, poor character developments, plot holes, loose ends, cheap explanations, odd and awkward scenes and some events didn't serve any purpose, merely for comedic relief. "Because it's a 13 episode series" shouldn't be used as an excuse. They could have reduced those unnecessary scenes. |
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kaena said: little busters I know that, when the title mentions "Key works", it means "anime written by Key", or something to that effect. It is MyAnimeList, after all. However, I'd just like to compare Angel Beats! to another product that they have written (it isn't actually Little Busters!). Angel Beats! has some major pacing problems. The length of the series is only partially to blame, and it's more likely that they just tried to cram too much into a small space. If you look at Planetarian, a visual novel by Key (it's not an anime, I know, but bear with me), which was only a few hours, you can see that Jun Maeda is capable of creating an emotionally compelling story that lasts only a short amount of time. Sure, it's a visual novel (kinetic novel, really), but maybe that's the root of the problem. Jun Maeda writes visual novel scenarios, not anime scenarios. He may have worked with KyoAni on the adaptations of previous Key games, but this is, as someone pointed out previously, a Jun Maeda project. Not a Key project (besides Na-Ga's involvement). Not a KyoAni project. Not a combination of the two. Perhaps he just wasn't used to writing for anime. It's not uncommon when a writer for one mode of entertainment switches to another (games to film, for example) and the product isn't what's expected. Please note that I'm not trying to give an excuse for the pacing problems, just my theory for why these problems exist. Even if they are justified, they are still problems that exist and my opinion of the show won't change because of it. End of wall. |
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| People are always complaining about pacing problems of the show when in reality it has none. The pace is consistent throughout the show, it's really fast. In the end it all comes down to personal preferences of how much stuff per episode is too much. Anybody complaining about pacing problems clearly doesn't like shows which have too much stuff crammed into a single episode. |
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5layer said: People are always complaining about pacing problems of the show when in reality it has none. The pace is consistent throughout the show, it's really fast. In the end it all comes down to personal preferences of how much stuff per episode is too much. Anybody complaining about pacing problems clearly doesn't like shows which have too much stuff crammed into a single episode. That logic totally isn't flawed. |
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haisaki said: People with shit standards think this show is awesome, anything but incredible, mediocre at best, people that have spelling errors and use random emoticons like this show. My bad. They're all mixed. That ain't being 'biased', it's a general observation of people who tend to enjoy this show, calling it incredible. Cause honestly, anyone who DOESN'T see the giant gaping holes in this show must be new to anime. |
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ShibuyaRiver said: haisaki said: People with shit standards think this show is awesome, anything but incredible, mediocre at best, people that have spelling errors and use random emoticons like this show. My bad. They're all mixed. That ain't being 'biased', it's a general observation of people who tend to enjoy this show, calling it incredible. Cause honestly, anyone who DOESN'T see the giant gaping holes in this show must be new to anime. Yes this isn't being biased, but I think that generalizing about the people who enjoy the show is verging on a troll. Now, I'm not a fanboy, and I dont count myself as new to anime either. I see and acknowledge the "gaping holes" in this anime, yet I find myself enjoying AB despite (or because?) of them. Most people rate a show based on their enjoyment, which is less to do with standards and more to do with personal taste. If you like it then you say its good, if you dont then you say its bad. Why do you think that shows with loads of fighting and absolutely no plot are so popular? It may be that what you say is right and I'm somewhat of an exception to the rule, but all i'm saying is that you shouldnt generalize about the people that like a show just because you dont. And now that my rant is over I think I'll sign off from this thread. Tbh its getting to be like beating a dead horse. This thread badly needs a lock. |
ryuu_zer0 said: ShibuyaRiver said: haisaki said: People with shit standards think this show is awesome, anything but incredible, mediocre at best, people that have spelling errors and use random emoticons like this show. My bad. They're all mixed. That ain't being 'biased', it's a general observation of people who tend to enjoy this show, calling it incredible. Cause honestly, anyone who DOESN'T see the giant gaping holes in this show must be new to anime. Yes this isn't being biased, but I think that generalizing about the people who enjoy the show is verging on a troll. Now, I'm not a fanboy, and I dont count myself as new to anime either. I see and acknowledge the "gaping holes" in this anime, yet I find myself enjoying AB despite (or because?) of them. Most people rate a show based on their enjoyment, which is less to do with standards and more to do with personal taste. If you like it then you say its good, if you dont then you say its bad. Why do you think that shows with loads of fighting and absolutely no plot are so popular? It may be that what you say is right and I'm somewhat of an exception to the rule, but all i'm saying is that you shouldnt generalize about the people that like a show just because you dont. And now that my rant is over I think I'll sign off from this thread. Tbh its getting to be like beating a dead horse. This thread badly needs a lock. Totally agree with you. People need to quit complaining about this show, seriously. Just because someone doesn't like the a show, it does not give them the right to talk down to people who do. We all have different taste and like different things, that's what makes us human. |
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| TBH, I can't help to feel like that too (people who think this anime is good must be fanboy of maeda or something), and I'm feel sorry for this. This show is very badly written and have many undenied flaw and holes But meh... let the time judge, if this show is very bad and just overhyped... this anime will forgotten by the times. |
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Zero-11 said: Angel Beats is more Comedy than Drama so you can't compare it with older Key works like Air or Clannad. Angel Beats: Comedy Clannad: Drama yeah, Comedy anime tend to involve dead and dramatic past right ? oh wait... 5layer said: People are always complaining about pacing problems of the show when in reality it has none. The pace is consistent throughout the show, it's really fast. In the end it all comes down to personal preferences of how much stuff per episode is too much. Anybody complaining about pacing problems clearly doesn't like shows which have too much stuff crammed into a single episode. Baccano can do it right you know What the matter is if you write a story you must create a strong structure and stand on that foundation, not consistently make a new stuff and make it seems random like this series does. Seriously whoever has already try writing a story, know the script for this anime is very messy. |
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Tecu said: Just go see anyone who's giving Angel Beats a 9 or more. I bet they don't mind it.Now to find someone who prefers stuffing a million things in one episode and not bothering to explain any of it thoroughly to slower-paced plot development. fertygo said: Yeah except Baccano is just incredibly awesome and it's not fair to compare stuff to it.Baccano can do it right you know What the matter is if you write a story you must create a strong structure and stand on that foundation, not consistently make a new stuff and make it seems random like this series does. Seriously whoever has already try writing a story, know the script for this anime is very messy. |
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| well half people on this thread think AB is awesome, why not fair to compare it ? =D btw I think maeda not that satisfied too with the result of this project, hope he learn this from this project if write script for anime is really different than write VN script. |
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fertygo said: well half people on this thread think AB is awesome, why not fair to compare it ? =D btw I think maeda not that satisfied too with the result of this project, hope he learn this from this project if write script for anime is really different than write VN script. Angel Beats is definitely not his best work, it's not easy to top Clannad, he said so himself. IMO however, if given more episode length, Angel Beats should be better than Kanon. I mean, the characters, concept and plot is there... They just don't have enough time to "Fertilize and beautify the flower". Though AB! have been a bit messy, I actually liked Angel Beats! more than Kanon... IMO, the show is damaged by episode length and pacing. But again, I haven't watch the last episode... Personally, I don't think it'll help the show too much... (I can only hope for a miracle) |
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| well Maeda himself said that if by ep 10 (Yui's disappearance) he hasnt been able to get to you, then he considers that he failed to live up to expectations. Also I dont really have incredibly high hopes for the final episodes seeing how all Key finales tend to be rather weak, no exception....Kanon, CLannad, Air, and After Story they all had rather underwhelming finales so im hoping he can break that streak here |
game8910Jun 20, 2010 8:49 AM
game8910 said: well Maeda himself said that if by ep 10 (Yui's disappearance) he hasnt been able to get to you, then he considers that he failed to live up to expectations. Also I dont really have incredibly high hopes for the final episodes seeing how all Key finales tend to be rather weak, no exception....Kanon, CLannad, Air, and After Story they all had rather underwhelming finales so im hoping he can break that streak here Can't say i'm a fan of Kanon, Air's ending. But I'm actually a huge fan of After Story's ending. But to explain why I love it and how it all made sense = Another 5 paragraph explanation that I have wrote countless times... back on topic. Anyone ever seen a show that's this messy yet manage to pull through in the final episode? Just for reference and "spirit lifting"... personally, I know none. |
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ShibuyaRiver said: But people with shit standards, aka, half of the people in this thread, thinks it's awesome.! I gave this series a 10/10 after episode 9 but after episode 12 I'm about ready to drop this to a 7/10 Episode 12 just sucked, and episode 11 was mediocre at best. |
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Lucjan said: Angel Blades Best anime ever. |
Lucjan said: ShibuyaRiver said: But people with shit standards, aka, half of the people in this thread, thinks it's awesome.! I gave this series a 10/10 after episode 9 but after episode 12 I'm about ready to drop this to a 7/10 Episode 12 just sucked, and episode 11 was mediocre at best. O.o yea.. I actually enjoyed the pacing up till episode 9, then kinda dislike 10 for the awkward pacing, 11 was good, 12 was... another awkward episode... the only 2 episode I'm not satisfy with, and they are meant to be strong episodes... lets hope they don't screw up 13 with awkward pacing. However, episode 12 of AB! actually have my favorite moment of the whole series For me, Yuri is the best character in the show. |
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MorningGlory said: SO...If Anime made by Key then The Anime is Good?..... Bahhhahaha. Yeah right. |
haisaki said: Yes there are giant gape holes in the series but the anime is not done yet. We all just have to see whether Angel Beats disappoints us further or not. The thing is, if the last episode actually took the time to explain its massive plot holes then it would have no time to impact the audience in the emotional way "Key" is supposed to, and if it tries to express itself emotionally then we're still left with these plot holes. Either way, this series is FUCKED! And, lol, I know my review for Angel Beats may look contradictive on my statements now, but, well, they are... I wrote that on a whim when I had hope for Angel Beats. |
lucjanJun 20, 2010 8:23 PM
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| Mine would probably go Clannad ~After Story~, Angel Beats!, Kanon, Clannad, Air. I don't dislike any of them, but I really like Angel Beats! because of its fast pacing and it being very unpredictable. Also, I like all of the main cast. |
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clannad4ever said: Air is decent Kanon is amazing Angel beats is incredible Clannad is god :) Absolutely Yes! :) |
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Kipcha said: then your lame, the difference between angel beats and air is:Personally, I'm enjoying this a heck of a lot more then Air... It still isn't up to Kanon and Clannad, but I never really saw a big deal with Air. Something that is really working against Angel Beats! is the fact that it only has 13 episodes and it seems like it really needs more then that, unlike with Air where I didn't really think it felt rushed... It should have been a 24 episode thing instead. Air is Original and Beautifull, it just starts slow and its hard to understand the first time, but other than that its a true masterpiece . Angeal Beats is Fanserviced and has a weak story and character development, its still good but Key is going off trail too much, they use too much fanservice and are getting repetive with alot of things. although the afterlife theme is interesting and refreshing and some episodes do have beautiful moments. but Air is the only TRUE NON fanserviced, ORIGINAL anime by Key. after that Clannad After Story, wich also has its fanservice share with the forced ending |
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keboboy11 said: clannad4ever said: Air is decent Kanon is amazing Angel beats is incredible Clannad is god :) Absolutely Yes! :) you people are So dumb, if you cant see that air is a masterpiece like kanon and clannad you might need to rewatch it, its story is more original then ALL of the other keyworks but people dont like it fast because it confuses the crap out of them, if you understand the story you will love it. the only thing thats wrong with air is that its not explained well enough and you are forced to rewatch it in order to understand it, but its a masterpiece. when i first watched air i thought it w as "Okay" too, but my friend loved it so much she kept talking about it, so i was wondering why i didnt find it amazing and after a few weeks i rewatched it, i liked it alot more because i started noticing things i didnt understand the first time. and now after watching air 3 times, i can truly say its s masterpiece, maybe even better then kanon and angel beats. but most people are too dumb to see that and prefer loads of fanserviced animes |
-JK- said: then your lame, the difference between angel beats and air is: Air is Original and Beautifull, it just starts slow and its hard to understand the first time, but other than that its a true masterpiece . I soo agree! A lot of people say it sucked because it so depressing and stuff but they just don't want to admit that they don't get it or the subconsciously shut themselves from embracing the masterpiece that it is. Angel Beats was such a Key fail... I never thought KEY would make that mistake: bad plot distribution. Clannad After Story is "fanserviced" too as you say but more on the moe side. The sad moments in Angel Beats that I once cried for now turns into something that was just forced in there. I love the whole concept of Afterlife and their bittersweet disappearance but really after the first 3 disappearances, it was just like "= . =" EVEN YURIPPE'S DISAPPEARANCE SCENE WAS SO BLANDLY PLAIN. It just didn't catch up. And in AB! the most fanservice moment for me was Yuzuru saying "I love you " to Kanade. I mean, REALLY?? I thought he loved her as a younger sister. Or maybe that is just another result of the fail in the pacing of the show. Over all the animation and music made it up for me. But that's not much for me... I mean the story is what I'm looking for in Key... But like any other Key anime, I laughed, cried[?] and got angered[in this case on the show itself XD] It isn't as good as other key works because it was sorta predictable... for a Scifi type |
-JK- said: Angeal Beats is Fanserviced and has a weak storyand character development, its still good but Key is going off trail too much, they use too much fanservice and are getting repetive with alot of things. Wait... WHAT!?!?! How is Angel Beats at all fanservice? Where the hell is this fanservice?!?! Not once were my pants undone during this anime (￣ー￣) |
lucjanJun 26, 2010 12:28 PM
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-JK- said: keboboy11 said: clannad4ever said: Air is decent Kanon is amazing Angel beats is incredible Clannad is god :) Absolutely Yes! :) you people are So dumb, if you cant see that air is a masterpiece like kanon and clannad you might need to rewatch it, its story is more original then ALL of the other keyworks but people dont like it fast because it confuses the crap out of them, if you understand the story you will love it. the only thing thats wrong with air is that its not explained well enough and you are forced to rewatch it in order to understand it, but its a masterpiece. when i first watched air i thought it w as "Okay" too, but my friend loved it so much she kept talking about it, so i was wondering why i didnt find it amazing and after a few weeks i rewatched it, i liked it alot more because i started noticing things i didnt understand the first time. and now after watching air 3 times, i can truly say its s masterpiece, maybe even better then kanon and angel beats. but most people are too dumb to see that and prefer loads of fanserviced animes Absolutely. Air remains one of the better anime I've ever seen, unfortunately to me it suffers from one problem Angel Beats! also suffers from, and thats a very short run time. People don't care for intricate/confusing storytelling as much anymore. They must have EVERYTHING handed to them on a silver platter. |
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Psychodrake said: Absolutely. Air remains one of the better anime I've ever seen, unfortunately to me it suffers from one problem Angel Beats! also suffers from, and thats a very short run time. Yeah but AIR didn't FAIL on spreading the WHOLE PLOT on that department |
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