Second season done by a different studio

AniRev said:
I am not sure if it was because of the studio change or the pacing of the story but a major thing for me was the smart politics and mind games that existed in the first season totally disappeared in the second.

AniRev said:
Oh, also, you need to understand that a different studio means different script writer, episode director and series director as well. It is not only about the look, that is more important for me than the visuals as it effects the content of the story itself.

romagia said:
its been such a long time since i last saw durarara i dont feel it very different at all..

but i dont really mind.. even big differences such as Gunslinger Girl or Negima

Takuan_Soho said:
Unfortunately the problem was with the original work. Deen did a perfectly fine job with the animation, the stuff that people really disliked were part of the original work (including Kanami's character design).

Takuan_Soho said:
But second seasons are always problematic. Unless you have the original writer and director, then the chances that the new writer/director being able to capture the essence of a successful series is difficult (has little to do with the talent of either person, they are just a different flavor than what most people are expecting). Another problem is that second season's of animation generally have smaller budgets than the first because the sponsors (usually the publisher's) are facing diminishing returns. Or even if the budget is the same, they have to pay more for the VA's (because screwing with voices actually pisses people off more than changing the animation).

AniRev said:
In addition to that, by getting a sequel for a successful series you open up chances for your show to get picked up dubbed and licensed by western networks.

ya_hallo said:
But that's not always the case. Series like Durarara and Oreimo which had a second season done by a different studio still had the same director, storyboard, etc.

AniRev said:

I know and for me Durarara is still good and the art style is more crisp and edgy which fits the character of the show. The first season still feels a bit different but I wouldn't say the essence of the show is lost. Again, I am more interested in the story itself than the aesthetic when judging a show for an overall score because I know how hard it is to get a series made. The art is a major factor but no matter how good a series looks, if the story is shit (source, script, pacing, original details...etc), the whole thing will end up being shit.

Btw, fun fact is that Takahiro-sensei who used to be the major name behind Brain's Base studio and all the great series that were created there branched off Brain's Base and created Shuka Studio with the rest of the Durarara cast with their main goal being the production of the sequels for Durarara. That means without the studio change we would have never gotten a sequel to begin with haha.

chokingasuka said:
Oregairu got better when the animation studio changed

People complained about it still of course even though the characters got super accurate to the original Light Novel, the girls got cuter too, I watched both seasons and prefer the 2nd seasons character design

chokingasuka said:

People complained about it still of course even though the characters got super accurate to the original Light Novel

Takuan_Soho said:
Thank you for the response, I like you. So please accept my rebuttal as only a discussion point from one who respects your opinion.

Takuan_Soho said:
It would be nice if something being picked up by western networks meant anything to Japanese publishers, but ultimately it doesn't. The real money is still with the Japanese audience, so the focus of the various companies are and, for the foreseeable future, will remain on the Japanese market. It is the downside of the massive piracy that occurs in the West. This is why the official numbers for publication no longer includes foreign sales (though because I buy my stuff through an official Japanese store, my purchases get recorded).

Takuan_Soho said:
As for Deen, their problem is with fluid action, because they are a low end cost animator, they suck at such scenes. The Fate otaku will never forgive them for them doing a series that needs great fluidity. But the hatred should not be directed towards Deen, but rather the cheap ass producers who wanted to exploit Deen's cost savings.

Takuan_Soho said:
My point about diminishing returns can best be illustrated by the Haruhi series. The original series was a success, selling x number of volumes, the first animation likewise was a success selling x + Y number of volumes. But in order for a second anime series to be successful it need not only to sell x + y, but also the z factor (the marginal difference in sales that a second series would generate). When considered this way, it explains why a third series was not done.

Takuan_Soho said:
As a consumer, I of course, want the entire series animated. But I have already bought all the novels, so why should anyone produce it?

worldeditor11 said:
They tend to ruin the anime more than improving it. Log Horizon and OreGairu are first things come to mind.

However, there is an instance when it did improve the show. That will be Boku wa Tomodachi.



No, they didn't.

chokingasuka said:


"No they didn't" What, that's like when people say "Was I the only one that felt this way?" of course people out there complained, look at the comments on crunchyroll or any site that has it from a while ago, plenty of people did

worldeditor11 said:
No, what I said was that the characters didn't "got super accurate" as in the LN.

ya_hallo said:
drastically different such as Durarara

OssMoses said:
as long as the new studio does it right I don't mind at all


unless the animation becomes really unbearable i:e:Fairy Tail

ichii_1 said:
Fairy tail 2014 got a darker tone/shading or whatever, just awful.

JinsoR said:
Well it depends... I mean when an anime is not focused on the animation and action, and it is more story based, then I don't mind it being done by another studio, all I think is that it got a second season so I am cool.

But if we bring One Punch Man on the topic... and if there will be a second season and it is picked up by another studio... that my friend, would be a disaster.

Kuma said:
if it gonna adapt by trigger using inferno cop style and directly using webtoon manga as source. automatic 10/10.

AniRev said:
You can see a shift in the big countries like USA, UK, France and others where the following and fan-base for anime series has been undergoing a steady and fast growth in the past few years.?

AniRev said:
you cannot say there is no point in making the next season because you've bought the source material already. Most series are based off of source material be it a manga, a light novel, a game or some other source but when the source material has potential and finds sponsors to stand behind it, an anime will be produced whether you've bought the source or not.

Rei366 said:


France was always a big market for the animation: first the TV producers bought jap.animation because it was so cheap (back in the 70-80s), then VHS editors emerged during the 90s and when 2000 came, we had a really big choice of DVDs (and boxes) for prices who were sometimes high but often cheaper than the expensive ones I see today (especially when you compare new releases prices from this period to today's ones). When I see some streaming sites who sell a show for 26€ when I could actually buy a big box of 5DVDs (with cultural/video bonuses sometimes) for the same price or 10€more 12years ago, and then the DVD editor sells it for 50-60€. The only good sides of simulcast are the theoretical short-circuit of the fansub (sadly replaced with stream stealers), and the fact that you can use it as a replacement for television because it can be free and we get almost anything japanese on french TV now. The downside is the choice, the tendance to publish every little thing right after its release makes it look like the french manga market when it boomed (let's say 2002-2006).
Sorry for the long useless paragraph, but the growth of the anime/manga consumer I noticed was always due to the comeback of japanese animation on freeTV.(there has been the GTO/FMA wave, the One Piece wave). Someone who is not already into animation won't start with simulcast.

Rei366 said:
Also, a bunch of those services "consumers" have still the exact same horrible mentality as before (aka the "fansub era"). How can someone be angry after a publisher because he will gets a new episode 7-15days after the diffusion (wich was a correct delay when it was illegal) or even 5hours instead of a 1-2hours delay.
When you read the comments on internet anime publishers FB or site itself, it is full of "you're late, I watched it elsewhere", "to all of you who like the show, continue it on xxx illegal website" etc...

Rei366 said:

An anime adaptation will be produced as long as there is something to sell (a new opus/tome of the source material, a new line of toys). Sponsors will not support something for the sake of its potential.

Kuma said:
isn't fairy tail still done by A-1? it's just their partner changed from satelight to another new studio? forgot it's name.

there is art style shock if there is really visible different. easiest example is hayate no gotoku series. Synergy SP to JC.Staff is not really have problem, since the art style is not soo much different. but when it handeled by manglobe, it really make people burn.

Mayuka said:

wait what? they had a studio change?! i didn't even notice lmAO