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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- I really love Kou in this chapter! *.* He is just amazing! *.* And Touma, I really hate this guy... Futaba, please open your eyes... |
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| Kinda predicted that, but it was nice to see Kou getting more actions :p He's slowly taking her heart back again ;) I miss Kou x Futaba. She with Touma look more like friends than lovers. Loved when Kou said that the strap it's the only thing that connects then. Right in the kokoro! xD |
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| Touma: So its okay if I take this as you dropping out? Kou: No. It means I dont care if your relationship is based off of just that one item. i love kou so much |
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| Oh so it's Kou that found her instead...heh. At any rate, that was like divine punishment that she got her bag snatched by a thief. Anyways, that was kinda an awkward chapter. |
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| LOL This chapter made me laugh so hard. Kou is one BAMF. I think Touma should be given a fair chance, it's more fun this way. But Kou, best bf. Hands down. He is so manly~ He lost his chance, though. I love this little love triangle. Of course, the blond ones never get the girl ;_; Btw, that thief had such an exagerated "bad guy" face. Like, really? |
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| So, how long was Touma looking for her? It seemed he was back at the hotel without knowing she had been found, so I guess he gave up? Too bad for him... I liked the way Kou behaved in this chapter. He did the right thing, other than not going out immediately when he heard she was chasing after the thief by herself. Then he got her bag back for her, even though the reason she was so frantic for it was because of "the strap". Touma seems to be under the misguided impression that Futaba's desire to not loose the strap means she really loves him. Unfortunately for him, from everything she says and does, she is pressing herself extremely hard to try not to hurt him. That is NOT love, folks. That is guilt and obligation. When she went with Kou to visit his mother's grave, she went "as a representative of his friendds", but admitted to herself that she was there because she WANTED to be there and she even admitted to herself that she wanted to be the one there, and not anyone else. Then she went back and had a crappy rest of the afternoon with her "boyfriend" because she felt guilty about leaving with Kou and, it appears, was coming down with a cold as well. (She did say she had a headache in that chapter...) This chapter she did something supremely stupid because she didn't want to lose the symbol of her attempt to be a good girlfriend. When she started yelling at Kou that she wanted it to be the boyfriend who found her, she really pissed me off. But at least she came to her senses and apologized to him after he got her back to the hotel. I do wish Touma would just see the writing on the wall and back off of his own accord. I also wish that Kou would have told him that he NEVER looked at anyone other than Futaba, either. That Narumi was a friend he was helping through a tough time and the only reason he turned Futaba down was because he didn't think it was fair to her to date her while spending time with a female friend, but he never stopped loving Futaba. I so want Futaba to find out about these little snit fits that Touma has when he tells Kou to back off and Kou tells him to screw himself. I think she'd be pissed at both of them, but then she would ask herself why Touma is doing it. Then maybe she would talk with her friends about it and one of them would feel it was wrong to keep lying to her and tell her everything... I guess that is really part of what is really pissing me off about the manga right now. You have three of her friends, Kou included, who are basically lying to Futaba by not telling her how Kou really feels and what really happened between Kou and Narumi. Sure, Kou is doing it because it would be "wrong" for him to blatantly steal another guy's girl. But the other two are just being bad friends! Friends don't lie to their friends to protect their feelings. They tell them the truth, because that is what they need to know to make the right decisions for their lives. Where do they get off deciding that her relationship with Touma is more important than knowing the truth about what happened and how Kou feels about her? Especially since, if they had told her right away after finding out, it would have been right after the two started dating and she could have backed out with grace and ease and just told him that she felt pressured and after thinking about it changed her mind. Really, I just want this whole Touma's girlfriend arc to get over and done with! And I hate waiting a month for the next chapter!!! |
zensunniJun 16, 2014 7:20 PM
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| Kou is the best!!! everything he does in this chapter show that he is a kind person and he is serious and won't give up about his feelings to Futaba. I was kind of pissed off when Futaba yelled at Kou, but later it was good that she apologized. |
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| I feel so sorry for Touma, not cause he might not get Futaba, but cause every argument he has with Kou he is the one losing it. The "so you don't have confidence?" in chapter 37 was awesome, and now the "it's meaningless, just to be connected by thing like that. I don't mind at all." was brilliant. Also, let's not forget "the one who will decide is Yoshioka, Right?" at the end. I wonder if Touma would have had the confidence and the balls to do what Kou did and go get the bag. Should I assume that he would have back off if he would have been in Kou's place?..... Actually, I wonder if Touma will have the balls to tell Futaba that Kou was the one who got back the bag. If he doesn't, he should just back off for good. I bet he'll chicken out and make up a story or worse case scenario tell her he did it himself. |
jose21Jun 16, 2014 7:58 PM
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glamazon said: Touma: So its okay if I take this as you dropping out? Kou: No. It means I dont care if your relationship is based off of just that one item. i love kou so much When I read Kou say that I was like BURN!!!! Touma is an object. |
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| I can't believe Futaba but then again she has been blind this whole time. Oh I need that matching pair And almost get hurt by a thief ,but I am glad Kou found her All I ask is Futaba you keep thinking to yourself Touma will leave you if you say nothing to him Not that I care ,break up!!!! I love the fact that Kou went back to get her bag to prove a point to Touma . Touma so slow that he reacts so late ,oh the matching pair heart Ughhhh Futaba makes me mad but I like the drama. |
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zensunni said: I do wish Touma would just see the writing on the wall and back off of his own accord. I also wish that Kou would have told him that he NEVER looked at anyone other than Futaba, either. That Narumi was a friend he was helping through a tough time and the only reason he turned Futaba down was because he didn't think it was fair to her to date her while spending time with a female friend, but he never stopped loving Futaba. I so want Futaba to find out about these little snit fits that Touma has when he tells Kou to back off and Kou tells him to screw himself. I think she'd be pissed at both of them, but then she would ask herself why Touma is doing it. Then maybe she would talk with her friends about it and one of them would feel it was wrong to keep lying to her and tell her everything... I guess that is really part of what is really pissing me off about the manga right now. You have three of her friends, Kou included, who are basically lying to Futaba by not telling her how Kou really feels and what really happened between Kou and Narumi. Sure, Kou is doing it because it would be "wrong" for him to blatantly steal another guy's girl. But the other two are just being bad friends! Friends don't lie to their friends to protect their feelings. They tell them the truth, because that is what they need to know to make the right decisions for their lives. Where do they get off deciding that her relationship with Touma is more important than knowing the truth about what happened and how Kou feels about her? Especially since, if they had told her right away after finding out, it would have been right after the two started dating and she could have backed out with grace and ease and just told him that she felt pressured and after thinking about it changed her mind. Really, I just want this whole Touma's girlfriend arc to get over and done with! And I hate waiting a month for the next chapter!!! You know, Kou has no obligation to tell anything to Touma at all. They don't even like each other, and anything that Kou said would seem like a lie to Touma anyway (remember, he saw Kou with Narumi in the park). I'm not saying I condone what Touma is doing, and I too think that he's a borderline-obsessive, clingly type of boyfriend, but given what he's seen with his own eyes, it's pretty obvious that he thinks Kou is a big time player who was just playing around with Futaba. That he'd get worried because Futaba was such good friends with this "player" is also understandable. It's human nature. You wouldn't want your own bf/gf hanging around with a perceived player whom you know has set his/her sights on them, now would you? He knows nothing of the circumstances of Kou, nor all the good stuff that he's done (even Futaba won't, only us readers will ever know) That Kou would go back and look for Futaba's bag knowingly probably made Touma revise his opinion of Kou just a bit (not a lot though since they're still rivals). Kou's open declaration of war..... and the mature way he handled everything was nice to read. Oh yeah, and the face of that thief... I couldn't take him seriously.. |
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| Kou really does step up in this chapter, bringing back both her and her bag. I really didn't like the way Futaba treated Kou and the stuff she said to him. But it didn't seem to deter him. |
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| I cant wait for the farce that is Touma and Futaba's relationship to end. I may have liked the idea of them being in a relationship a few chapters ago when Kou didn't have his shit together/feelings straightened out, but their relationship got old fast imho. At this point I'm just counting down the chapters until Kou and Futaba inevitably get together. |
| Matsuoka Yoshitsugu has hardly any range as a voice actor, and is grossly over-cast. Yeah. I said it. |
| Well, its time for Kou to be more serious in his feelings for Futaba. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| OMG! This chapter is really amazing! Kou did a good job! (when Futaba is growling that Touma should the one who found her) I get annoyed to Futaba at that moment but I'm glad she apologized for the bad things she said to Kou afterwards. Kou said "But I'm the one who found you" that's really sweet of Kou. Kou is really doing a move to get Futaba's heart again and that is good. The battle for Futaba's heart is going to be really intense. I hope Kou will win! I guess he is really confident to win. I miss their sweet moments together. |
| "Anything is possible if you stop doubting yourself, so put some more faith unto you!" |
| I just want Touma to get out of the picture already. |
VanishingKira said: I just want Touma to get out of the picture already. Might as well end the manga while you're at it. |
| A really enjoyable chapter! Kou is really stepping it up. |
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| Can I pay attention to the fact that Futaba chased thief to get strap back, she get lost and feel bad for losing strap, Touma reply was "let's buy another pair set", where Kou don't give up and go to look for it :) Even if Kou was hurt because of this... |
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zensunni said: So, how long was Touma looking for her? It seemed he was back at the hotel without knowing she had been found, so I guess he gave up? Too bad for him... I liked the way Kou behaved in this chapter. He did the right thing, other than not going out immediately when he heard she was chasing after the thief by herself. Then he got her bag back for her, even though the reason she was so frantic for it was because of "the strap". Touma seems to be under the misguided impression that Futaba's desire to not loose the strap means she really loves him. Unfortunately for him, from everything she says and does, she is pressing herself extremely hard to try not to hurt him. That is NOT love, folks. That is guilt and obligation. When she went with Kou to visit his mother's grave, she went "as a representative of his friendds", but admitted to herself that she was there because she WANTED to be there and she even admitted to herself that she wanted to be the one there, and not anyone else. Then she went back and had a crappy rest of the afternoon with her "boyfriend" because she felt guilty about leaving with Kou and, it appears, was coming down with a cold as well. (She did say she had a headache in that chapter...) This chapter she did something supremely stupid because she didn't want to lose the symbol of her attempt to be a good girlfriend. When she started yelling at Kou that she wanted it to be the boyfriend who found her, she really pissed me off. But at least she came to her senses and apologized to him after he got her back to the hotel. I do wish Touma would just see the writing on the wall and back off of his own accord. I also wish that Kou would have told him that he NEVER looked at anyone other than Futaba, either. That Narumi was a friend he was helping through a tough time and the only reason he turned Futaba down was because he didn't think it was fair to her to date her while spending time with a female friend, but he never stopped loving Futaba. I so want Futaba to find out about these little snit fits that Touma has when he tells Kou to back off and Kou tells him to screw himself. I think she'd be pissed at both of them, but then she would ask herself why Touma is doing it. Then maybe she would talk with her friends about it and one of them would feel it was wrong to keep lying to her and tell her everything... I guess that is really part of what is really pissing me off about the manga right now. You have three of her friends, Kou included, who are basically lying to Futaba by not telling her how Kou really feels and what really happened between Kou and Narumi. Sure, Kou is doing it because it would be "wrong" for him to blatantly steal another guy's girl. But the other two are just being bad friends! Friends don't lie to their friends to protect their feelings. They tell them the truth, because that is what they need to know to make the right decisions for their lives. Where do they get off deciding that her relationship with Touma is more important than knowing the truth about what happened and how Kou feels about her? Especially since, if they had told her right away after finding out, it would have been right after the two started dating and she could have backed out with grace and ease and just told him that she felt pressured and after thinking about it changed her mind. Really, I just want this whole Touma's girlfriend arc to get over and done with! And I hate waiting a month for the next chapter!!! Amen. Side note: Does the anime coming out mean that the manga will be over soon (like chapter 50)? Or do you think they will do like 12 episode season 1 or something. Nisekoi managed to cover 50 manga chapters in 20 episodes. |
AerensianicJun 19, 2014 3:37 PM
Aerensianic said: Side note: Does the anime coming out mean that the manga will be over soon (like chapter 50)? Or do you think they will do like 12 episode season 1 or something. Nisekoi managed to cover 50 manga chapters in 20 episodes. No, no... Production I.G isn't like Shaft. I.G make good anime adaptation :) For me, they are the best! *.* |
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| Awwwhhh, Kou! Even though Kou being the one to find Futaba was fairly expected, I still breathed a sigh of happy relief when he found her. I just loved how he handled everything in this chapter: no matter how harsh Futaba was on him, no matter how many emotional jabs she made at him for being so invested in the strap, he didn't let it get to him and held his ground, even going as far as getting her bag back. I love how Kou isn't demonstrating blatant jealousy or insecurity; it's kind of a refreshing seeing this kind of behavior from a male lead. I feel like AHR has finally been steering back on course lately after the sluggish middle portion of the story, and I'm ridiculously excited to see where the story will go. |
jose21 said: I feel so sorry for Touma, not cause he might not get Futaba, but cause every argument he has with Kou he is the one losing it. The "so you don't have confidence?" in chapter 37 was awesome, and now the "it's meaningless, just to be connected by thing like that. I don't mind at all." was brilliant. Also, let's not forget "the one who will decide is Yoshioka, Right?" at the end. That's what makes Kou so great, he's not afraid of confrontation and getting to the point. And he also knows what's important, like how even if Futaba wanted it to be Touma who finds her, Kou was the one who found her in the end. I just love the things that Kou says :) Aerensianic said: Side note: Does the anime coming out mean that the manga will be over soon (like chapter 50)? Or do you think they will do like 12 episode season 1 or something. Nisekoi managed to cover 50 manga chapters in 20 episodes. No that's definitely not happening, unless they skip over many chapters. SHAFT was able to cover 50 manga chapters in 20 episodes because Nisekoi is a weekly manga, meaning the chapters are from a 1/3 to 1/2 of one monthly chapter. |
| KOU BB OMFG .., I can't stand that Touma guy. I miss adorable Koutaba moments so much, it was nice to see more kou actions tho, I enjoyed this chapter "it's meaningless just to be connected by thing like that" FAJFHDAOJD KOU! |
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| I miss futabaxKou. Is good that things are starting to get good again, because they're perfect together. And Kou was REALLY cool this chapter. I enjoyed a lot ^v^ "it's meaningless just to be connected by thing like that" OOOOUCH!! And THIS: http://i15.mangareader.net/ao-haru-ride/41/ao-haru-ride-5012971.jpg OMG HE WAS THE CUTEST KIDNAPPER EVER!! >v< Really, touma was cute at the beggining, but now.... I think he's so annoying -_- |
| sick of this manga, JUST END IT GODDAMMIT |
| Am I the only one that likes Touma?? >.> So far, I think he is a great, honest guy. He treats a girl extremely well! His back story isn't as developed or displayed as much as Kou's, but... really..., I feel like I know more about his past than our main protagonist Futaba! On the other other hand, Kou has NEVER said he liked Futaba to her face without taking it back. It's really disheartening. He left a lot of room for misinterpretations (especially with the whole Narumi ordeal). And Futaba has never openly said that she likes Touma... I think that the whole strap thing was because she cared about not hurting him, and not because she loved (or at least like liked) him. Has she even hugged him before? She seems to just stand there while he hugs her. Love takes time to grow, but I think the mangaka will make her friendzone Touma forever. I'm curious - What do Futaba and Touma talk about when he calls her at home lol. I don't think that Kou ever calls Futaba. BUT Kou did talk to Narumi a lot! First love doesn't HAVE to be the last love, but it's obvious she's going to end up with Kou. And, I hope Touma isn't hurt too much by it. I just really want this manga to end on a good note with everybody. (And for the anime to have more than one season). |
| THANK GOD. I feel like Futaba FINALLY kind of sort of addressed her issue with not being able to only look at Kikuchi out loud when she told Kou that she wished Kikuchi found her instead of him. Hopefully this means this whole limbo between the two will end soon - it's kind of frustrating to see Futaba base her actions around her relationship with Kikuchi, maybe bc she thinks that's what will make her happy? Anyway, Kikuchi is really starting to irk me. I never really had a good feeling about him. He seems immature and more of a parasite to Futaba rather than her solution. I wonder how they'll fit so much into just 12 episodes, lol. Hopefully watching won't be as frustrating as reading through this whole issue. |
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Kuri_Kuriboh said: So far, I think he is a great, honest guy. Seriously, I think that ship has sailed quite some time ago. I mean, he didn't really get Futaba in a honest way to start. The way he confronts Kou every time is just stupid and childish, and to make matters worse he always loses those arguments. Also, a really great guy wouldn't force his feelings, he would have waited for her feelings to change. Finally, lately more than him being interested of getting Futaba, I get the feeling he is more interested of beating Kou, cause in his honest mind he is better, so he must win. He is a honest judge, jury and executioner. Kuri_Kuriboh said: First love doesn't HAVE to be the last love, but it's obvious she's going to end up with Kou. Well, Highschool love not necessarily and realistically speaking is usually the last love, so technically it is pointless whoever she choses right now since she may meet someone she loves more than either one of then in college or work (Although, if jealous kun wins, she may never be able to step a foot outside the house, so he shouldn't worry about that). Kuri_Kuriboh said: And, I hope Touma isn't hurt too much by it. I just really want this manga to end on a good note with everybody. What about Futaba's feelings. If at the end she can't love him, she is the one getting hurt by not being with the one she truly loves, and can't really blame it on her since he didn't gave her enough time like he said he would at the beginning. |
jose21Jul 8, 2014 9:56 PM
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| I liked Touma at first but I was always rooting for Kou. Touma isn't right for her, just kinda seems like he views everything as more of a competition between him and Kou now in my opinion. Finally Kou starts getting badass this chapter. These past few chapters have been like for the love of God Kou...Y U so slow?!? BRING BACK THE KOU X FUTABA! |
chaisuJul 8, 2014 11:24 PM
jose21 said: Seriously, I think that ship has sailed quite some time ago. I mean, he didn't really get Futaba in a honest way to start. The way he confronts Kou every time is just stupid and childish, and to make matters worse he always loses those arguments. Also, a really great guy wouldn't force his feelings, he would have waited for her feelings to change. Finally, lately more than him being interested of getting Futaba, I get the feeling he is more interested of beating Kou, cause in his honest mind he is better, so he must win. He is a honest judge, jury and executioner. I don`t really understand when you say that he did not get Futaba in a honest way. He didn`t forced her, and even waited (a little) for her to clarify her mind. He offered her an ``escape route`` of ``her feelings for Kou``. And, since the start he made clear his objectives. The way he confronts Kou is, indeed, childish (even tough is understandable). As I said, he did not forced his feelings, he offered them. Futaba was the one that wanted to forget Kou and tough something like ``I can start like this guy and then I can forget about Kou``. I get a feeling that you get Touma as such a bad guy. I don`t get why Kou`s fangirls tend on doing so, for me both of them are great for Futaba and it only depends on her feelings. And also being jealous about your girlfriend hanging out with the guy she liked (and who hurt her) and that keep flirting with her in front of him sometimes is perfectly normal O.o. This way I may sound like I`m on Toumas`s team (and even tough he`s such a cutiepie <3) and I`m not! Is just that most of you guys take Touma for an asshole that he`s not D: (and tend to ignore Kou`s fault). |
Kiarika said: I don`t really understand when you say that he did not get Futaba in a honest way. He didn`t forced her, and even waited (a little) for her to clarify her mind. He offered her an ``escape route`` of ``her feelings for Kou``. I rest my case, I guess I don't have to put anything, you did it for me. Also, forceful part is up to debate, but if you read it carefully it all started from Touma watching Kou and Futaba, him getting jealous and eager to make a move before Kou, thus he didn't wait any more. Besides IMO the way he did it was a bit pushy, he basically answered himself, and Futaba just went with the flow. Kiarika said: As I said, he did not forced his feelings, he offered them. Futaba was the one that wanted to forget Kou and tough something like ``I can start like this guy and then I can forget about Kou``. Sorry, but that doesn't sound good at all to me. I mean, I know the girl is looking for a escape route and want to forget the other guy, so I just happen to offer my feelings in that instant, but that is not taking advantage of the situation; I am a good guy, she is evil for taking advantage of the feelings I am offering her. Kiarika said: I get a feeling that you get Touma as such a bad guy. I don`t get why Kou`s fangirls tend on doing so, for me both of them are great for Futaba and it only depends on her feelings. Bad guy, not really, just annoying as hell. Just like Suzaku in Code Geass, the guy is good, but annoying as hell. And yeah it all depends on Futaba, which is what Kou has been saying all along including this chapter, but does Touma thinks that way, well the way he is acting says all the contrary. Kiarika said: And also being jealous about your girlfriend hanging out with the guy she liked (and who hurt her) and that keep flirting with her in front of him sometimes is perfectly normal O.o. I haven't seem that at all. First time his jealousy showed up was before they were a couple, and that was the trigger for him not wanting to wait any longer for her feelings to change (IMO asshole move of his part). Second time, was cause of those guys who thought Futaba was Kou's girlfriend (Kou wasn't flirting with her, wasn't there at all). Third time, Kou helping her to get to her date with Touma (Kou must have a really weird way to flirt with her). Fourth time, Futaba going voluntary with Kou as a representative of all Kou's friends. (well, is it really Kou's fault?..... she went with him on her own, and wasn't in front of him either. He should get mad at her and ask for her true feelings. I would do that, unless he fears her answer. Fifth time, Kou helping her and getting her bag back. what was Kou supposed to do. Abandon her where she was and just wait for Touma to find her (I wouldn't call that flirting either). Kiarika said: This way I may sound like I`m on Toumas`s team (and even tough he`s such a cutiepie <3) and I`m not! Is just that most of you guys take Touma for an asshole that he`s not D: (and tend to ignore Kou`s fault). Sure, I understand Kou is at fault, but that kind of argument, is more of an angry girl trying to get back at her boyfriend. |
jose21Jul 9, 2014 10:37 AM
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| If the manga was in everyone's point of view then maybe I will have the heart to support Kikuchi. But no, and seriously, I'm liking Kou x Futaba because of that -_- |
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| Yeah, i know Touma is a good guy and he really loves Futaba buuuuuuut Kou, .... i know he was so dumb with narumi's situation but but but Futaba is just with Touma because yes lol because she this he's good and he deserves be loved(?) I really wanna see how they break up (because is necessary xD) |
jose21 said: Kiarika said: I don`t really understand when you say that he did not get Futaba in a honest way. He didn`t forced her, and even waited (a little) for her to clarify her mind. He offered her an ``escape route`` of ``her feelings for Kou``. I rest my case, I guess I don't have to put anything, you did it for me. Also, forceful part is up to debate, but if you read it carefully it all started from Touma watching Kou and Futaba, him getting jealous and eager to make a move before Kou, thus he didn't wait any more. Besides IMO the way he did it was a bit pushy, he basically answered himself, and Futaba just went with the flow. But isn`t Futaba`s fault for going with the flow? I mean, aren`t both of them abusing the situation eachother are put in? jose21 said: Kiarika said: As I said, he did not forced his feelings, he offered them. Futaba was the one that wanted to forget Kou and tough something like ``I can start like this guy and then I can forget about Kou``. Sorry, but that doesn't sound good at all to me. I mean, I know the girl is looking for a escape route and want to forget the other guy, so I just happen to offer my feelings in that instant, but that is not taking advantage of the situation; I am a good guy, she is evil for taking advantage of the feelings I am offering her. I never said he wasn`t taking advantage of her situation (he himself said so?). The thing is, that does not make him dishonest. No, what I (tried) to ment is, that is not exactly a bad thing. Both Futaba and Touma are trying to do the best for themselfs and what they believe is the best for the other one too. Can we really condem it? jose21 said: Kiarika said: I get a feeling that you get Touma as such a bad guy. I don`t get why Kou`s fangirls tend on doing so, for me both of them are great for Futaba and it only depends on her feelings. Bad guy, not really, just annoying as hell. Just like Suzaku in Code Geass, the guy is good, but annoying as hell. And yeah it all depends on Futaba, which is what Kou has been saying all along including this chapter, but does Touma thinks that way, well the way he is acting says all the contrary. Yeah, I get the Suzaku feeling. Well, I`m not really sure about Touma`s mind but for me it just seems like he does not want to lose her + he think Kou is not being serious about her. jose21 said: Kiarika said: And also being jealous about your girlfriend hanging out with the guy she liked (and who hurt her) and that keep flirting with her in front of him sometimes is perfectly normal O.o. I haven't seem that at all. First time his jealousy showed up was before they were a couple, and that was the trigger for him not wanting to wait any longer for her feelings to change (IMO asshole move of his part). Second time, was cause of those guys who thought Futaba was Kou's girlfriend (Kou wasn't flirting with her, wasn't there at all). Third time, Kou helping her to get to her date with Touma (Kou must have a really weird way to flirt with her). Fourth time, Futaba going voluntary with Kou as a representative of all Kou's friends. (well, is it really Kou's fault?..... she went with him on her own, and wasn't in front of him either. He should get mad at her and ask for her true feelings. I would do that, unless he fears her answer. Fifth time, Kou helping her and getting her bag back. what was Kou supposed to do. Abandon her where she was and just wait for Touma to find her (I wouldn't call that flirting either). In the first time I see it as perfectly normal. He wants her to be with him, apart from it I think he thinks its better for her not to be with Kou (from at what he knows about Kou at that moment). Also think that in the second time its still perfectly normal. He got sad that people tought that, and wouldn`t you? Mainly when you are insecure about your relashionship? In the third time Kou did not helped her. He tricked her into the room and THEM he helped both of them. Futaba wasn`t even supossed to be there in first place so he just made up for his mess. And Touma did not seemed to mind this, actually. In the fouth and fifth time I don`t see him as jealous, just insecure. Oh, and the flirting jose21 said: Kiarika said: This way I may sound like I`m on Toumas`s team (and even tough he`s such a cutiepie <3) and I`m not! Is just that most of you guys take Touma for an asshole that he`s not D: (and tend to ignore Kou`s fault). Sure, I understand Kou is at fault, but that kind of argument, is more of an angry girl trying to get back at her boyfriend. Do I really sound like it? D: I`m really sorry if sounded rude. That`s not what I wanted. I just wanted to defend Touma a little bit. manganimelover1 said: Kou's fans says that Touma is a bad guy and Kou did nothing wrong??? That's not right, most of readers who likes Kou including me, says that Kou did some mistakes but he is not a bad guy. On the opposite, most of Touma fans and even some of Kou's fans (maybe not in this site but in other sites) says that Touma is the perfect guy, though he is not any better than Kou. Both of the guys has their flaws, both of them are not perfect. What Touma did was not right but it doesn't make him a bad guy or anything and what Kou did was not right either but it doesn't make him a bad guy either. As I said, for me it looks like they tend to ignore Kou`s mistakes. But as I`m only aware of the MAL part of the fandom I`m probably wrong. And that`s exactly what I meant! Both of them made bad decisions, and that is okay. Touma is not a demon nor and angel, neither is Kou. That`s what I like about Aoharaido. |
Kiarika said: But isn`t Futaba`s fault for going with the flow? I mean, aren`t both of them abusing the situation eachother are put in? As I said before, that's up to debate and how each one of us interpreted the situation. In my case, I think she was force, I mean, he didn't really let her answer without any influence at that time, right before she said anything, he reinforced that the answer he wanted was yes. At that time she was vulnerable and he took advantage of that, can't you really blame Futaba for trying to please him. Also, IMO I don't really feel that Futaba is using him to forget about Kou, is more like she feels sorry for him and she is trying her best to please him (I don't even feel that she trying to be happy, but rather she is only looking for his happiness) Kiarika said: I never said he wasn`t taking advantage of her situation (he himself said so?). The thing is, that does not make him dishonest. No, what I (tried) to ment is, that is not exactly a bad thing. Both Futaba and Touma are trying to do the best for themselfs and what they believe is the best for the other one too. Can we really condem it? I see you mean business. But seriously, at least the way I see it, in this situation him talking advantage when she is vulnerable, is not an honest act. But then, him recognizing himself that he is taking advantage of the situation, I guess is honest. Kiarika said: Yeah, I get the Suzaku feeling. Well, I`m not really sure about Touma`s mind but for me it just seems like he does not want to lose her + he think Kou is not being serious about her. I get he might think Kou is not serious about futaba, but how does he know that he is right. What gives Touma the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Kou might argue as well that Touma is not serious about Futaba with the events on this chapter. Is he doing that?... he couldn't care less, he is well aware that Futaba is the one that will decide. Kiarika said: In the first time I see it as perfectly normal. He wants her to be with him, apart from it I think he thinks its better for her not to be with Kou (from at what he knows about Kou at that moment). Once again, What gives Touma the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Kiarika said: Also think that in the second time its still perfectly normal. He got sad that people tought that, and wouldn`t you? Mainly when you are insecure about your relationship? I would laugh. However, if I weren't sure about her feelings for me, sure it wouldn't be so funny, but why would I even date her (Am I that desperate..... NTR fetish maybe.....) Kiarika said: In the third time Kou did not helped her. He tricked her into the room and THEM he helped both of them. Futaba wasn`t even supossed to be there in first place so he just made up for his mess. And Touma did not seemed to mind this, actually. Well, I think he did mind cause the day after that he confronted Kou, and Kou came up with the "So you are not confident" remark. Kiarika said: Oh, and the flirting IMO, Not sure that is flirting, more like then longing to be together, and would actually make me feel like an asshole knowing I am keeping then apart, but since I also love her, and I know I am better for her, is alright (sarcasm). Kiarika said: Do I really sound like it? D: I`m really sorry if sounded rude. That`s not what I wanted. I just wanted to defend Touma a little bit. Nooooo, why would you write that........Now, I feel like an asshole cause I might the one being a bit rude. Anyway, All I am trying to say is that he is not better than Kou, and that I would hate if he is seemed as a martyr, the victim who got hurt at the end. |
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jose21 said: Kiarika said: But isn`t Futaba`s fault for going with the flow? I mean, aren`t both of them abusing the situation eachother are put in? As I said before, that's up to debate and how each one of us interpreted the situation. In my case, I think she was force, I mean, he didn't really let her answer without any influence at that time, right before she said anything, he reinforced that the answer he wanted was yes. At that time she was vulnerable and he took advantage of that, can't you really blame Futaba for trying to please him. Also, IMO I don't really feel that Futaba is using him to forget about Kou, is more like she feels sorry for him and she is trying her best to please him (I don't even feel that she trying to be happy, but rather she is only looking for his happiness) As you said, it`s up to our own interpretations. Well, yes, he was trying to convince her to date him. But I don`t think Futaba was trying to please him. Before answering him she even tough ``If I`m with him, my feelings for Kou may disappear faster.`` Well, while I think that maybe she does feel sorry for him I don`t think she is trying to only please him (wouldn`t she avoid Kou if that was the case?). I think she is, actually, happy. Well, that`s how it looks to me. jose21 said: Kiarika said: Yeah, I get the Suzaku feeling. Well, I`m not really sure about Touma`s mind but for me it just seems like he does not want to lose her + he think Kou is not being serious about her. I get he might think Kou is not serious about futaba, but how does he know that he is right. What gives Touma the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Kou might argue as well that Touma is not serious about Futaba with the events on this chapter. Is he doing that?... he couldn't care less, he is well aware that Futaba is the one that will decide. Well, it`s normal to judge. I mean, don`t we all do it everytime? It`s not something I like in Touma, but it is understandable. jose21 said: Kiarika said: In the first time I see it as perfectly normal. He wants her to be with him, apart from it I think he thinks its better for her not to be with Kou (from at what he knows about Kou at that moment). Once again, What gives Touma the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Well, I think its perfectly normal to do so. He has formed his own opinion about and he is acting according to it. Most of the people do the same thing, I think it`s actually pretty hard to not judge someone by its actions. jose21 said: Kiarika said: Also think that in the second time its still perfectly normal. He got sad that people tought that, and wouldn`t you? Mainly when you are insecure about your relationship? I would laugh. However, if I weren't sure about her feelings for me, sure it wouldn't be so funny, but why would I even date her (Am I that desperate..... NTR fetish maybe.....) Well, he sounds that desperate. xD jose21 said: Kiarika said: In the third time Kou did not helped her. He tricked her into the room and THEM he helped both of them. Futaba wasn`t even supossed to be there in first place so he just made up for his mess. And Touma did not seemed to mind this, actually. Well, I think he did mind cause the day after that he confronted Kou, and Kou came up with the "So you are not confident" remark. Oh, I forgot that. Anyway, childish but perfectly understandable. jose21 said: Kiarika said: Oh, and the flirting IMO, Not sure that is flirting, more like then longing to be together, and would actually make me feel like an asshole knowing I am keeping then apart, but since I also love her, and I know I am better for her, is alright (sarcasm). I know you ment it by sarcasm but for me it actually made some sense? And not only that, Futaba seems to be agreeing (at his point of view) with that. jose21 said: Kiarika said: Do I really sound like it? D: I`m really sorry if sounded rude. That`s not what I wanted. I just wanted to defend Touma a little bit. Nooooo, why would you write that........Now, I feel like an asshole cause I might the one being a bit rude. Anyway, All I am trying to say is that he is not better than Kou, and that I would hate if he is seemed as a martyr, the victim who got hurt at the end. Don`t feel like that! D: We`re only having an healthy discussion. Well, he put himselff in that situation. I think he probably knew from the start he would not get her but he needed to try, I guess. But no, Touma is no martyr, he did it to himself. |
| Forgive the lengthiness of my thoughts. Kō's really got it wrong, here. I can't quite grasp his thinking on the whole 'the strap means nothing' thing. Yeah, it's just an object (to him), and Tōma himself tried to make Futaba feel better by saying that they could just buy a new one, but it still means something. It's similar to the strap that Yūri gave Futaba early on in the manga; that one represented their friendship. Taking inspiration from that, Futaba decided to get straps with her friends and with her boyfriend. To anyone else, it's just a thing, but to Futaba (and clearly to Tōma, who seemed truly moved when he saw it) it represents something. Kō doesn't understand it. And how could he? He's never been anyone's boyfriend (as far as we know). For some reason, a lot of people in these forums seem to think that Tōma 'stole' Futaba from Kō, but he didn't. Sure, our MCs kissed, but they weren't in a relationship; they never even went on a date. Really, Kō is acting very, very childishly, and this is rubbing off on Tōma, unfortunately. He knows that this guy (who seems to be a bit of player, from Tōma's perspective) wants to, effectively, steal his girlfriend, so he'll fight for her, but he won't - as far as it seems to me - stop her from following her heart. As much as I dislike what Kō has been doing, the real problem is Futaba. She may not realise it now, but she's caused a lot of grief in a relatively short time. She decided to be Tōma's girlfriend for exactly the wrong reasons; she may have believed she was doing it for the best (she wanted to move on from Kō (as well she should; it's hardly healthy), but she should have wanted to be with Tōma), but she's really just given Tōma false hope; no wonder he's (more than) a little wary of Kō. She's really playing them. However, she doesn't seem to realise this (though she does feel guilty about going off with Kō), so I can't hold it against her entirely. Basically, all I ask is that Futaba moves on from Kō (who is not a nice guy, in any way, shape or form). I don't want her to end up with Tōma, either. But alas, this is shoujo, where the love interests are far from loving, and the endings are preordained. Ah, well... |
Bittenfeld said: To tell you my honest feelings, Admiral Müller, as the groom at a wedding ceremony, the Kaiser is simply just a handsome man, I'm afraid to say. But as the supreme fleet admiral who leads entire fleets, he's really a godly person. Don't you think so, too? Müller said: I think he's quite godly as a groom, too. |
| The thief and the chase was bait out of place, dunno if it was done right. |
| Yoshioka is a baka; poor Touma :( |
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| I will be really pissed off if Yoshioka will end with Touma. I hate this guy. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
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