| Damn am I ever enthralled by this show. The charm, the wittiness of the dialog, the outstandingly written characters and quite decent story. I don't mean to besmirch Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, ect fans. But this is just a league above, something the Mangakas of those series will never be able to comprehend or reach. Definitely going to start reading the manga |
| JoJo is overrated crap - so are Fairy Tail and the others you listed, my point is though, it's definitely not something other titles should orientate themselves after. |
| There's a reason Jojo is, along with HxH and OP, one of the best received series out there. Style over substance, but really well done. You can't give DP enough credit for actually managing to adapt this unique style into an appropriate anime format. |
NidhoeggrFeb 27, 2013 6:28 AM
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Artorias said: I don't actively search out for this stuff, if you didn't know, there's a "recent post" link in the upper left corner. Also, look up down syndrome, throwing around terms you don't know the meaning of doesn't make you seem as clever as you hoped.Not only do you subscribe to the moe fandom for overgrown kids, but you actively search out a board for a show that you have a distaste for. Go watch more shallow girls doing girl things shows before you make a bigger joke of yourself symbv said: First I would like him to explain what's so outstanding about JoJo, if possible, with actual arguments. Shit like "The charm, the wittiness of the dialog, the outstandingly written characters and quite decent story." can be applied - and is applied - from every fanboy about every show ever. It's not a basis we can start a discussion on, he was voicing his opinion, and so was I.bNq said: Perhaps you should name a shounen adaptation that is not crap and explain why that is not crap while JoJo is overrated crap so that we know what your standard is. Otherwise you just sound like an opinionated ranter. JoJo is overrated crap - so are Fairy Tail and the others you listed, my point is though, it's definitely not something other titles should orientate themselves after. |
Nidhoeggr said: I agree with HxH, couldn't get into OP though. There's a reason Jojo is, along with HxH and OP, one of the best received series out there. You can't give DP enough credit for actually managing to adapt this unique style into an appropriate anime format. Candor said: I wouldn't consider JoJo as something more than good or enjoyable. Ok it has its unique style, and the anime's art is something I really like, it's beautiful. Soundtracks are also pretty good. Characters are good as well, a pretty nice cast, but as far as the plot goes, there's honestly nothing special, animation is lacky most of the time too that sometimes I get bored from all of the still images Basically JoJo is something you can enjoy if you turn your brain off and just enjoy what's thrown into your face, just like other brainless GAR anime like Hellsing Ultimate, one of the most overrated crap here on MAL. (but the difference is that JoJo doesn't take itself too seriously, which is what makes it better and more enjoyable) However, as far as the adaptation goes, it's definitely one of the better shonen adaptations, next to Madhouse's Hunter x Hunter, but as a series as a whole, I prefer Hunter x Hunter and Magi (manga only, its anime is the worst shounen adaptation to date. Yes, even worse than the big 3 and Fairy Tail). Of course, the limits of battle shounen can only go so far. It's tale to tell has to stretch out and it leads to inconsistencies, dull moments and repetitiveness. It is something this art will never be able to supersede. With that being said I would attest that it tries a little bit harder than most at being different. I believe the animation is lacking because it is more of a spectacle for the art than fluidness. which can go either way opinion wise definitely. |
| bNq said: Artorias said: I don't actively search out for this stuff, if you didn't know, there's a "recent post" link in the upper left corner. Also, look up down syndrome, throwing around terms you don't know the meaning of doesn't make you seem as clever as you hoped.Not only do you subscribe to the moe fandom for overgrown kids, but you actively search out a board for a show that you have a distaste for. Go watch more shallow girls doing girl things shows before you make a bigger joke of yourself symbv said: First I would like him to explain what's so outstanding about JoJo, if possible, with actual arguments. Shit like "The charm, the wittiness of the dialog, the outstandingly written characters and quite decent story." can be applied - and is applied - from every fanboy about every show ever. It's not a basis we can start a discussion on, he was voicing his opinion, and so was I.bNq said: Perhaps you should name a shounen adaptation that is not crap and explain why that is not crap while JoJo is overrated crap so that we know what your standard is. Otherwise you just sound like an opinionated ranter. JoJo is overrated crap - so are Fairy Tail and the others you listed, my point is though, it's definitely not something other titles should orientate themselves after. Well, I don't doubt you cannot recognizing a stab at your cognitive abilities and mental state; but I forgive you because it is not your fault you were born with it. The dialog is written well, it is cohesive, flows and character interaction is never held up by amateurishly written banter. If you look at a show like Katanagatari, where the whole basis of it is character interaction and dialog, similar traits are shared. The character are also quite well written, the depth of their psyche and emotions may not be written to the same standards as lets say drama shows. But they each have a role that expands beyond a single trait given to most in shounen shows, ie: the comic relief, the serious antagonist, the fun loving easy going protagonist. And I would doubt that you have looked much into the source material if you do not see it. The story, well it's quite basic; but also fairly refreshing. Going through periods of time reminds me of Agarest War and is pleasant to me. |
| Ignoring the guy who has yet to present an actual argument to back up his claim. I don't really want more Shonens like Jojo. I want to see them break the mold in a different way |
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symbv said: We have different standards in an Opening Post then, if someone starts a thread like this, I don't think he's actually interested in something else besides voicing his opinion. Again, what he listed aren't "discrete details" as you like to call it, it's generic aspects which fanboys always apply to the shows they like best. It's like people who call out "forced drama", just calling an aspect, doesn't mean it actually can be applied to the show in queston. At least he has discrete details listed out and it can serve as a basis for further discussion -- how witty is the dialogues, how good the characterisation is etc. On the other hand, you just stated "overrated crap". He is voicing an opinion, you are voicing opinionated rant. Your attitude only made any discussion even harder to start. That's why I said, I would like him to explain what's so outstanding about JoJo. As you said, how is the dialogue witty/more witty than in other shounen titles in his opinion? How is the characterization done better? If you want to actually discuss the superiorty of a show, you should include stuff like that in your opening post, and not just your biased opinion. If not, then at least be prepared for other people to voice their opinion as well. I don't want to hate on JoJo, hell I actually don't care about the show, the hype is just slowly starting to annoy me, and the OP is a prime example of the kind of people who hype this show behind any reasonable standards. I'm up for discussing the show and it's possible superiority, but again, there should be some basis for this first. // just read Artoras latest point, well, that made my case I guess. >But they each have a role that expands beyond a single trait given to most in shounen shows, ie: the comic relief, the serious antagonist, the fun loving easy going protagonist. Applies to a lot of shounen, even some of the ones you listed in your OP. >The story, well it's quite basic; but also fairly refreshing. That's just your opinion, same thing can be applied to almost every other show by every other fanboy. If you have some actual arguments as to why it's refreshing, please list them. >The dialog is written well, it is cohesive, flows and character interaction is never held up by amateurishly written banter. Would you care to give an exampe? |
gedata said: Ignoring the guy who has yet to present an actual argument to back up his claim. I don't really want more Shonens like Jojo. I want to see them break the mold in a different way Of course, copying is not a good idea in any form of media. But taking subtle hints at what it does differently, analyzing them, and then working it into something new should be what all writers, producers, mangakas, ect do. Not just take a look at something that is popular, skew the characters a bit, and then put it in another setting; as a lot of people are now doing for a quick cash in |
bNq said: symbv said: We have different standards in an Opening Post then, if someone starts a thread like this, I don't think he's actually interested in something else besides voicing his opinion. Again, what he listed aren't "discrete details" as you like to call it, it's generic aspects which fanboys always apply to the shows they like best. It's like people who call out "forced drama", just calling an aspect, doesn't mean it actually can be applied to the show in queston. At least he has discrete details listed out and it can serve as a basis for further discussion -- how witty is the dialogues, how good the characterisation is etc. On the other hand, you just stated "overrated crap". He is voicing an opinion, you are voicing opinionated rant. Your attitude only made any discussion even harder to start. That's why I said, I would like him to explain what's so outstanding about JoJo. As you said, how is the dialogue witty/more witty than in other shounen titles in his opinion? How is the characterization done better? If you want to actually discuss the superiorty of a show, you should include stuff like that in your opening post, and not just your biased opinion. If not, then at least be prepared for other people to voice their opinion as well. I don't want to hate on JoJo, hell I actually don't care about the show, the hype is just slowly starting to annoy me, and the OP is a prime example of the kind of people who hype this show behind any reasonable standards. I'm up for discussing the show and it's possible superiority, but again, there should be some basis for this first. // just read Artoras latest point, well, that made my case I guess. >But they each have a role that expands beyond a single trait given to most in shounen shows, ie: the comic relief, the serious antagonist, the fun loving easy going protagonist. Applies to a lot of shounen, even some of the ones you listed in your OP. >The story, well it's quite basic; but also fairly refreshing. That's just your opinion, same thing can be applied to almost every other show by every other fanboy. If you have some actual arguments as to why it's refreshing, please list them. >The dialog is written well, it is cohesive, flows and character interaction is never held up by amateurishly written banter. Would you care to give an exampe? Naruto and Bleach are the definition of paper thin characters. And do you want me to pull a page from the manga? Or copy down a set of dialog? It's the basics of character interaction, go take any story writing course, this is the backbone of the entire thing. And I have still yet to see any rebuttal besides "but that's like, your opinion man", which is what it will always boil down to, to the unlearned who cannot support their side. I also see you cannot read, as I said the story was fresh to ME, my opinion. Nothing more than that. |
bNq said: Witty dialogue is generic aspect to describe? I don't think so. If you think the level of his post is not high enough, replying in a level much lower (by going down to use words that meant to provoke like "overrated crap" etc) just means you are here to offend and to rant. So what purpose did your post serve? It is not constructive and it is not bringing anything meaningful into the discussion. If his post is not a good start, instead of navigating the direction of the thread to start a better discussion, you resorted to sweeping bashing. Your intention is just to destroy this thread by poisoning the atmosphere, nothing else. We have different standards in an Opening Post then, if someone starts a thread like this, I don't think he's actually interested in something else besides voicing his opinion. Again, what he listed aren't "discrete details" as you like to call it, it's generic aspects which fanboys always apply to the shows they like best. It's like people who call out "forced drama", just calling an aspect, doesn't mean it actually can be applied to the show in queston. bNq said: Personally the manga never gets much of my attention, and I was never a fan of shounen GAR genre, but I can still see the magic and charm of this show. I do not particularly agree with everything the OP said but I would say a sensible call for attention of what this show might not have done so well or what other shounen could not use the adaptation is far far better than the hatred that comes from you just because you saw some hypes for a show you yourself admitted you "don't actually care".I don't want to hate on JoJo, hell I actually don't care about the show, the hype is just slowly starting to annoy me, and the OP is a prime example of the kind of people who hype this show behind any reasonable standards. I'm up for discussing the show and it's possible superiority, but again, there should be some basis for this first. |
symbvFeb 27, 2013 7:03 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Witty dialogue is generic aspect to describe? I don't think so. If you think the level of his post is not high enough, replying in a level much lower (by going down to use words that meant to provoke like "overrated crap" etc) just means you are here to offend and to rant. So what purpose did your post serve? It is not constructive and it is not bringing anything meaningful into the discussion. If his post is not a good start, instead of navigating the direction of the thread to start a better discussion, you resorted to sweeping bashing. Your intention is just to destroy this thread by poisoning the atmosphere, nothing else. Yes, witty dialogue is a generic aspect to CALL OUT, not describe. That's exactly the point, he didn't descibe anything, but just listed generic traits which are always applied by fanboys. Seriously symbv, did you not have to deal with people before who would defend any kind of shit show and still say it has a great plot and good written characters? Again, just calling out an aspect - without actually describing why it applies - is nothing more but a biased opinion. > So what purpose did your post serve? It is not constructive and it is not bringing anything meaningful into the discussion. What discussion? My post was the second one, there was no discussion. The OP didn't give any points whatsoever for a discussion, he just voiced his opinion. That's fine of course, we're a forum and people can voice their opinions here, even without defending them. It's pretty harsh of you though to insinuate that I wanted to "destroy this thread". How should've one reply destroy the thread? I actually didn't think people would pay much attention to my post and go on, that would be it. Do you actually think I would've come back and make multiple new posts, just to hate on the show and derail the thread? As I said, I don't care about the show, I care about the hype. The OP was doing nothing more but voicing his opinion, and so did I. My tone may have been somewhat harsh, but it's somewhat of a habit from the places I usually browse. Did people really get this offended by "crap"? Artorias I actually wanted to reply seriously to your post at first, and had somethring written out already, but I saw your edit now and your attitude is really starting to annoy me. I did not once personally insult you, while there wasn't one single post yet in which you didn't feel the need to throw in some unnecessary insults. I'm not bothered by it, but there's no actual discussing with people like you. Grow up first, then learn to not sound like some 14 year old fanboy. As I said though, I don't want to derail this thread and didn't think it would go out of hand like this with a single post. If symbv is going to respond I may reply to him, apart from that I'm leaving the thread for good now and you can hype this as much as you want. |
Rekien said: HurricaneSweet said: Shonen would really suck if it's all over the top crap like Jojo and Toriko. JJBA is not even that Bizarre, most of the "bizarre moments" are silly little tricks like the ones you find occasionally in OP or Naruto, albeit overhyped. But even OP is more "bizarre" for me than JJBA. But honestly the title of your thread should be addressing Hunter x Hunter instead. JJBA is good, but not really great. You cleary dont know **** about the series then, and the HxH author is a lazzy fucker that dosent give crap to the fans, the manga starts to get shitier and shitier after greed island....you call that an 'inspirational' series? its good, but has no future soo whats the point? HxH IMO is solid throughout, but the authors breaks are horribly annoying, why all the anger? |
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HurricaneSweet said: Shonen would really suck if it's all over the top crap like Jojo and Toriko. JJBA is not even that Bizarre, most of the "bizarre moments" are silly little tricks like the ones you find occasionally in OP or Naruto, albeit overhyped. But even OP is more "bizarre" for me than JJBA. Oh boy, read the later parts of the manga. But honestly the title of your thread should be addressing Hunter x Hunter instead. JJBA is good, but not really great. bNq said: JoJo is overrated crap - so are Fairy Tail and the others you listed, my point is though, it's definitely not something other titles should orientate themselves after. Too bad that HxH, along with probably all modern Shounen with an action/adventure focus, was inspired by Jojo. Stands played a large role in making the "personal manifestation of your fighting spirit" trope as popular as it is today. And while I agree that HxH is a great series, Togashi's work ethics do suck big time. |
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bNq said: Maybe, but still there are aspects to start with: dialogues, characters, story. Start from there and there can be a real discussion. That is my point. he didn't descibe anything, but just listed generic traits which are always applied by fanboys. bNq said: Precisely, you put it there to stop any discussion from starting. You prefer to start an argument, a flame war. There was no discussion and you did not want to have any discussion. You just barged in to make attack in a mean way, to provoke, to hurt, to spread hatred, to start an argument. You never have any intention to guide this thread to a proper discussion. This is your biggest problem. What discussion? My post was the second one, there was no discussion. bNq said: As I said, by making the atmosphere in this thread so poisonous and filled with hatred that reasonable discussion is no longer possible. And of course by then you can just shrug and disappear into another corner of the forum, perhaps doing the same to other thread just because you read some hypes for a show "you don't actually care"It's pretty harsh of you though to insinuate that I wanted to "destroy this thread". How should've one reply destroy the thread? bNq said: You already made multiple posts here, didn't you?Do you actually think I would've come back and make multiple new posts, just to hate on the show and derail the thread? bNq said: Well, then perhaps it is time for some reflection: is it a good habit you picked up from those place you frequent? How do you like people calling things you love dearly crap? Even if you do not feel offended, would you feel better compared to someone coming back with some constructive criticism?My tone may have been somewhat harsh, but it's somewhat of a habit from the places I usually browse. Did people really get this offended by "crap"? |
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Nidhoeggr said: Too bad that HxH, along with probably all modern Shounen with an action/adventure focus, was inspired by Jojo. Stands played a large role in making the "personal manifestation of your fighting spirit" trope as popular as it is today. And while I agree that HxH is a great series, Togashi's work ethics do suck big time. Not really. DBZ is the one that popularized it, and HxH -virtually- perfected that whole fighting aspect. So Toriyama is the one who gets credit here for that. And I fail to see anything in jojoa that actually inspired anything in modern manga. How are HxH, OP, Bleach etc inspired by Jojo? I kept hearing all the time how Hisoka's design was inspired by Dio or Gio or whoever but I don't see anything remotely close. @OP, No. HxH is the shonen that is done right. (not the hiatus part though) but then again, I don't want all shonen to be exactly the same so noty nothing to see here everyone mind his own bu'ness. |
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symbv said: Precisely, you put it there to stop any discussion from starting. You prefer to start an argument, a flame war. There was no discussion and you did not want to have any discussion. You just barged in to make attack in a mean way, to provoke, to hurt, to spread hatred, to start an argument. You never have any intention to guide this thread to a proper discussion. This is your biggest problem. Symbv, I'm honestly a bit shocked right now what kind of malicious intent you want to credit me here. Is it that hard to believe that I merely wanted to voice my opinion as well? "To hurt, to spread hatred".. you almost make me sound evil ;_; Yes, I didn't have any intention to guide this thread, that's not my function. If other people would've liked to actually discuss this "topic", what would've stopped them? You could've reported my post and/or simply not pay attention to it, especially if you think that I really only wanted to derail this thread - which I honestly didn't. symbv said: As I said, by making the atmosphere in this thread so poisonous and filled with hatred that reasonable discussion is no longer possible. And of course by then you can just shrug and disappear into another corner of the forum, perhaps doing the same to other thread just because you read some hypes for a show "you don't actually care" Now you're just being silly, reasonable discussions are no longer possible because of one post? Even after you guys continued to reply to me, you could've stopped now and discuss this topic instead. You chose not to and to discuss my behaviour though for some reason. What's more interesting, is how you knew that I was going to respond if you're replying, and therefore further derailing the thread yourself. Seriously, if on other forums there's a reply which is offtopic/seems like a derail-bait or they simply disagree with, then people simply don't go batshit insane over it and move on. Why is it so hard to do the same here, and instead constantly go on and on about how one person, with one post, single handedly "desroyed" this thread? You could say the same about my initial post of course, but as I said earlier, we're all free to voice our opinions here, especially if the OP made such a lousy attempt at a topic. synbw said: Because you kept replying to me and I was actually interested in a discussion at first, which only changed when the OP continued to articulate himself like a 14 year old CoD gamer. You already made multiple posts here, didn't you? symbw said: No, it's not a good habit. But we're all grown ups here, people shouldn't get this offended by something like "overrated crap". ? Well, then perhaps it is time for some reflection: is it a good habit you picked up from those place you frequent? How do you like people calling things you love dearly crap? Even if you do not feel offended, would you feel better compared to someone coming back with some constructive criticism? Of course I could've given constructive criticsm to the points the OP raised, but again, from his opening post it was already clear that he wasn't interested in an actual discussion - which is only further backed up by his later posts. Yes, my opinion may have been worded harshly and you may not agree with it. So, what's the big deal? Why not get over it, not reply to me at all or something, and discuss what you actually wanted to discuss? I really don't like how I'm made out to be the bad guy here. Yes, I could've stayed out of this thread completely, but it was up in the ticker and I was interested by the title. When the OP did nothing more but voicing his opinion though, I didn't feel the need to put much more effort into my reply than he. And again, this wouldn't have stopped you from discussing whatever this topic was intended to discuss. |
| References =/= inspiration. We know JJBA is popular, doesn't make it inspirational. "clever battle's instead of 'hey lets just punch the shit out of everything' rings a bell" Been done way before Jojo. It neither invented it nor popularized it. And that said, Jojo still doesn't have anything clever. |
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| Oh my goodness where do I even begin Hunter x Hunter? Zeno Zaoldyeck (Hunter x Hunter) hunterxhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Zeno_Zoldyck Wang Chun (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure) i.imgur.com/UmI78dP.png I could do a bit more but not witout going into spoiler territory. I'm not knocking HxH (it's my second favorite Shonen Manga ever), but really? oh and about Hisoka, I heard the same thing too, but I also don't see it |
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x5exotic said: References =/= inspiration. We know JJBA is popular, doesn't make it inspirational. "clever battle's instead of 'hey lets just punch the shit out of everything' rings a bell" Been done way before Jojo. It neither invented it nor popularized it. And that said, Jojo still doesn't have anything clever. If all you've seen is the anime, you do realize, you're judging a whole 100+ volume series by only 12 volumes worth of material? Just hold on till it gets the eighties out of it's system. |
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x5exotic said: Not really. DBZ is the one that popularized it, and HxH -virtually- perfected that whole fighting aspect. So Toriyama is the one who gets credit here for that. And I fail to see anything in jojoa that actually inspired anything in modern manga. How are HxH, OP, Bleach etc inspired by Jojo? I kept hearing all the time how Hisoka's design was inspired by Dio or Gio or whoever but I don't see anything remotely close. @OP, No. HxH is the shonen that is done right. (not the hiatus part though) but then again, I don't want all shonen to be exactly the same so noty nothing to see here everyone mind his own bu'ness. >DBZ It's called Dragonball and if you read more than half a dozen manga you would know that. But as usual, the usual Shounen fanboys come out of the corner and hype their favourite... i said earlier that Jojo popularized the personal manifestion of a fighting spirit trope, which is the foudnation of the Nen system, for example. Also, half of the Touhou characters, some of the iconic lines in history as well as the designs and powers of a lot of manga characters are based off of Jojo. Not to mention the constant references most manga and anime series make in regards to the series. HxH gets credit for it's storyline and consistency but it is certainly not as iconic as Jojo - I will also refrain from insulting Togashi and his "work ethics" here. You and Hurricane need to actually start reading manga for real and learn to apprciate what some of the classic series brought us. Stuff like "1987 or the future. Doesn't matter. " (Hurricane) just screams ignorance. You two need to stop talking shit when you haven't even read a single manga that is subject of the discussion here. You are prime examples of Toriyama and Togashi fanboys. Also, Toriyama was never a big fan of tactics as far as battles are concerned. He did create a very influental and imho great series, but stop giving him credit for aspects her just isn't good at. Anyway, I'm done here. It's pointless wasting time with people who pretend they know it all when they have less read series than my 4-year old cousin on their lists. |
NidhoeggrFeb 27, 2013 8:01 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: x5exotic said: Not really. DBZ is the one that popularized it, and HxH -virtually- perfected that whole fighting aspect. So Toriyama is the one who gets credit here for that. And I fail to see anything in jojoa that actually inspired anything in modern manga. How are HxH, OP, Bleach etc inspired by Jojo? I kept hearing all the time how Hisoka's design was inspired by Dio or Gio or whoever but I don't see anything remotely close. @OP, No. HxH is the shonen that is done right. (not the hiatus part though) but then again, I don't want all shonen to be exactly the same so noty nothing to see here everyone mind his own bu'ness. >DBZ It's called Dragonball and if you read more than half a dozen manga you would know that. But as usual, the usual Shounen fanboys come out of the corner and hype their favourite... i said earlier that Jojo popularized the personal manifestion of a fighting spirit trope, which is the foudnation of the Nen system, for example. Also, half of the Touhou characters, some of the iconic lines in history as well as the designs and powers of a lot of manga characters are based off of Jojo. Not to mention the constant references most manga and anime series make in regards to the series. HxH gets credit for it's storyline and consistency but it is certainly not as iconic as Jojo - I will also refrain from insulting Togashi and his "work ethics" here. You and Hurricane need to actually start reading manga for real and learn to apprciate what some of the classic series brought us. Stuff like "1987 or the future. Doesn't matter. " (Hurricane) just screams ignorance. DBZ. DBZ. It's shorter. So I'll call it that. You don't say? Once again, Toriyama is the one who used it before and the one who popularized it. Iconic or not, neither are as iconic as DBZ or the other more popular series. So that doesn't mean anything. Also HxH has inspired anime more than Jojo, which got a lot of references. @gedata well this is an anime thread with even the OP himself not being a manga reader and praising it based on the 12 volumes of material. So I think I can also criticize it the same way. |
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bNq said: As I said, saying a show is "overrated crap" does not count much as an opinion. It is ranting meant to offend to provoke. Symbv, I'm honestly a bit shocked right now what kind of malicious intent you want to credit me here. Is it that hard to believe that I merely wanted to voice my opinion as well? bNq said: Who knows what was your intent when you rushed to post a provocative remark? If JoJo is such a show you don't care, then why would you have so much annoyance pent up that you had to reply in this thread? Anyway, by making a post that is meant to bash in a thread that is meant to start a discussion of how other adaptations might have to learn from JoJo's adaptation, I would like to think that you at least care about this show, or at least this show's fans, that you want to make your presence felt. And yes, "to hurt", if only the feeling of those fans. "To hurt, to spread hatred".. you almost make me sound evil ;_; Yes, I didn't have any intention to guide this thread, that's not my function. If other people would've liked to actually discuss this "topic", what would've stopped them? You could've reported my post and/or simply not pay attention to it, especially if you think that I really only wanted to derail this thread - which I honestly didn't. bNq said: By the time I wrote my last post, it is no longer one post isn't it? You are already starting to derail this thread. Fortunately most other posters deem it better to ignore your rant and your silly attitude shown in your first post. Now you're just being silly, reasonable discussions are no longer possible because of one post? bNq said: So you admit your continued posting is derailing the thread, right? You continue to post here to defend your childish attitude in your first post as if it was entirely right thing to do, to continue to poison this thread. I guess you just cannot let it go and say that you may have acting immature in your first post, can you? Even after you guys continued to reply to me, you could've stopped now and discuss this topic instead. You chose not to and to discuss my behaviour though for some reason. What's more interesting, is how you knew that I was going to respond if you're replying, and therefore further derailing the thread yourself. bNq said: Voicing a generalised rant as if it is your only worthy opinion to share is even more lousy. And seriously you may want to know that perhaps not every assault you do will end up with people just taking shit from you and moving on without confronting you. Perhaps up till now you are just having an easy time attacking people and see people move on so that you think you just succeed in your "hurt". Seriously, if on other forums there's a reply which is offtopic/seems like a derail-bait or they simply disagree with, then people simply don't go batshit insane over it and move on. Why is it so hard to do the same here, and instead constantly go on and on about how one person, with one post, single handedly "desroyed" this thread? You could say the same about my initial post of course, but as I said earlier, we're all free to voice our opinions here, especially if the OP made such a lousy attempt at a topic. bNq said: You showed you were interested in bashing and provoking from your first post. From then on, as I said it made any discussion much more difficult. As I went back to read your reply, honestly I do not see too much of any sincere attempt from you to start a discussion. I was actually interested in a discussion at first, which only changed when the OP continued to articulate himself like a 14 year old CoD gamer. bNq said: Glad that you said we are all grown-ups. Perhaps we should startNo, it's not a good habit. But we're all grown ups here, people shouldn't get this offended by something like "overrated crap". by acting like a grown-up at the very beginning and avoid using remarks that are meant to provoke and nothing else. bNq said: As I said above, if you do not like the way he phrased in his post, why not ignore it or voice a reply that set the discussion on a more meaningful ground, like a mature grown-up would do? If you started by NOT acting like a grown-up, why can you demand that people should act like a grown-up by ignoring your post, which is clearly meant to provoke and hurt? Why do you think it a big deal that you need to act defensive when people confront your attitude and approach here?Of course I could've given constructive criticsm to the points the OP raised, but again, from his opening post it was already clear that he wasn't interested in an actual discussion - which is only further backed up by his later posts. Yes, my opinion may have been worded harshly and you may not agree with it. So, what's the big deal? Why not get over it, not reply to me at all or something, and discuss what you actually wanted to discuss? I really don't like how I'm made out to be the bad guy here. Yes, I could've stayed out of this thread completely, but it was up in the ticker and I was interested by the title. |
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| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
x5exotic said: Once again, Toriyama is the one who used it before and the one who popularized it. Iconic or not, neither are as iconic as DBZ or the other more popular series. So that doesn't mean anything. Also HxH has inspired anime more than Jojo, which got a lot of references. I'll be as frank as possible: STOP. TALKING. BULLSHIT. Seriously: Educate yourself before you talk so much nonsense. Tell me how HxH has more influence on the whole manga subculture than Jojo? amuse me with your vast knowledge of a dozen fucking manga and your hilarious statement that a series with 340 chapters on hiatus most of the time is more influental than a series that laid the foundation for HxH, Touhou and most other franchises you probably like. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Prove that JJBA guy popularized it? Jojo does stand out among HxH and OP, etc...but each of them stands out for one reason or the other. Doesn't make it inspirational. And we're talking about WHAT should other anime now aspire to be, not what has already inspired anime to be (which you haven't proved that Jojo inspired anything yet). And among battle-shounen only, I'd say HxH. But shonen overall isn't all about aura and stuff. Post-edit: Jeez calm down first. Well the burden of proof falls on you since you're the one who claimed it's inspired a lot. Sure HxH uses something similar to Jojo, if Jojo did it first, then maybe you can call it inspiration, but it isn't so the inspiration credit goes somewhere else. And yes Togashi IS a fan of Jojo, much like Oda is, or Kishi, but I have yet to see anyone borrow an aspect from what I've seen of Jojo outside the "reference" zone, feel free to point them out. |
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| Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. |
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gedata said: Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. Dude someone already posted this. I already said: They are just references. Influence when you take a whole element and implement it into your own work and try to make it work within the context of said work. |
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x5exotic said: gedata said: Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. Dude someone already posted this. I already said: They are just references. Influence when you take a whole element and implement it into your own work and try to make it work within the context of said work. Yu Gi Oh was pretty much fathered by a few chapters of Jojo arc 3. And the Persona series as well. |
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Nidhoeggr said: @x5exotic: Ok, then show me manga around the same timespan as Jojo and teh Stand system that had more influence on the creation of all these series and their battle systems. Or actually try to show us how influental HxH is. We are waiting. This is weird. I already said the proof is required on your part first. Show me what Jojo inspired. So far you only got one: Stands inspired all the aura thing in recent series but that credit goes to DBZ, and even according to Rekien, it goes to Ken which did it first. So it's not Jojo. What else you got? I'll name what HxH inspired after you name yours. (even though I don't see the point since this is the point of the topic and I really don't see HxH as THAT big of an influence at all, I'm just saying it's more than Jojo's) |
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| I'll admit it, Hunter x Hunter is a great work of creativity when it comes to handling the genre it's in, no one is saying that it ripped off hue chunks of JJBA. But come on! there was some influence, there is nothing wrong with that, heck JJBA is rather similar to Hokuto no Ken at first. There is nothing wrong with paying homage to a series, just so long as it maintains it's own identity. |
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gedata said: x5exotic said: gedata said: Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. Dude someone already posted this. I already said: They are just references. Influence when you take a whole element and implement it into your own work and try to make it work within the context of said work. Yu Gi Oh was pretty much fathered by a few chapters of Jojo arc 3. And the Persona series as well. And Shaman King too. Both Kazuki Takahashi and Hiroyuki Takei are big fans of Jojo. Akira Amano's Reborn series seems inspired by Vento Aureo too. I assumed it's her favorite part since she fangirled over Narancia and Aerosmith during the Jojo tribute. |
| @gdata I know there is influence I'm just saying it's not as many as people make it out to be. HxH was influenced by many series itself. Including Jojo. @Rekien maybe the stands specifically inspired HxH. But no other series |
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revolverjunkie said: gedata said: x5exotic said: gedata said: Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. Dude someone already posted this. I already said: They are just references. Influence when you take a whole element and implement it into your own work and try to make it work within the context of said work. Yu Gi Oh was pretty much fathered by a few chapters of Jojo arc 3. And the Persona series as well. And Shaman King too. Both Kazuki Takahashi and Hiroyuki Takei are big fans of Jojo. Akira Amano's Reborn series seems inspired by Vento Aureo too. I assumed it's her favorite part since she fangirled over Narancia and Aerosmith during the Jojo tribute. things we wouldn't have if not for JJBA Yu Gi Oh! Shaman King Reborn Persona Guile's haircut Rose (Street Fighter) anyone else wanna chip in? gg HxH |
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gedata said: revolverjunkie said: gedata said: x5exotic said: gedata said: Hunter x Hunter influencing more manga than JJBA, sorry but that is WRONG! http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_influences_of_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure I have no problem with you calling it's quality into question, but to deny it it's place in as one of the most iconic mangas ever to hit Japan? Nope. Dude someone already posted this. I already said: They are just references. Influence when you take a whole element and implement it into your own work and try to make it work within the context of said work. Yu Gi Oh was pretty much fathered by a few chapters of Jojo arc 3. And the Persona series as well. And Shaman King too. Both Kazuki Takahashi and Hiroyuki Takei are big fans of Jojo. Akira Amano's Reborn series seems inspired by Vento Aureo too. I assumed it's her favorite part since she fangirled over Narancia and Aerosmith during the Jojo tribute. things we wouldn't have if not for JJBA Yu Gi Oh! Shaman King Reborn Persona Guile's haircut Rose (Street Fighter) anyone else wanna chip in? gg HxH Bleach Naruto Toriko One Piece + series that were inspired by those. (not HxH, but Togashi's works in general) |
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| I was referring to things that were obviously borrowed from JJBA, One Piece Bleach and Naruto borrow from previous Shonens in general, where as in Shaman King for example, the battles resemble fights from Stardust Crusaders but with less wit. |
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| Bleach and Naruto are infamous for "copying" Togashi's biggest works respectively. It doesn't get any more obvious than that. Same for the rest, and Idk about the series you mentioned but most of the series I named have been heavily inspired by togashi's. And as you can see, these are THE biggest 4 franchises at the moment (excluding Blue Exorcist's manga) |
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| Oh it's you! you changed your profile so I didn't recognize you for a moment Naruto is indeed a HxH rip-off But the rest remind me more of DBZ. And heck Togashi's work reminds me of DBZ too (but I think Togashi's work is better though). |
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gedata said: Oh it's you! you changed your profile so I didn't recognize you for a moment Naruto is indeed a HxH rip-off But the rest remind me more of DBZ. And heck Togashi's work reminds me of DBZ too (but I think Togashi's work is better though). I bet Togashi would just regard that (Naruto copying HxH) as a parody. When the same case was put up against him, that's what his excuse was anyway:http://mangafox.me/manga/yuyu_hakusho_dj_yoshirin_de_pon/v01/c001/9.html (you-know-what is Jojo by the way) |
| Well, I must say one thing first. If you have not read the manga, do not come respond because those who read the manga know very well respond to your comment. When the stand begins, the fights are more original and it is a lot better than other shonen. For those who do not know the manga, you should shut your mouth. You have not seen a fraction of Jojo. If you're not happy with that and do not agree that Jojo was a shonen who inspire others mangaka, although you bounded. Araki and Toriyama are the two that inspired the mangaka nowadays. Togashi has taken so much stuff to Araki, that we should put the question of if HXH would good if Jojo does'nt exst. The answer is no. If you just saw the anime of 2012, you do not have to answer, because you are in the dark because you need read Stardust Crusaders and Diamond is Unbreakable for now. Togashi even said himself and he does not hide. It is so popular that there are just a fan gathering to make postures and ect ... If you think this is not popular, but you're wrong because the manga exists since 25 years. The manga is renewed all the time and it is always good |
KiraYoshikage said: Well, I must say one thing first. If you have not read the manga, do not come respond because those who read the manga know very well respond to your comment. When the stand begins, the fights are more original and it is a lot better than other shonen. For those who do not know the manga, you should shut your mouth. You have not seen a fraction of Jojo. If you're not happy with that and do not agree that Jojo was a shonen who inspire others mangaka, although you bounded. Araki and Toriyama are the two that inspired the mangaka nowadays. Togashi has taken so much stuff to Araki, that we should put the question of if HXH would good if Jojo does'nt exst. The answer is no. If you just saw the anime of 2012, you do not have to answer, because you are in the dark because you need read Stardust Crusaders and Diamond is Unbreakable for now. Togashi even said himself and he does not hide. It is so popular that there are just a fan gathering to make postures and ect ... If you think this is not popular, but you're wrong because the manga exists since 25 years. The manga is renewed all the time and it is always good 1) This is the anime section, so no. We do get to talk as much as we'd like. Manga section is on the other side, go there. 2) from what most people say, P3 is mree of a typical shonen than BT so I doubt it. 3) Again, name the things he took and put in HxH? And how is the answer no? Because so far the writing in Jojo is not much at all compared to...anything. 4) So what? Popularity means what? Most of the on-going manga nowadays are much more popular than Jojo, and ever fanbase has otakus so yeah there are gatherings for everything. 5) What is your point exactly? |
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