Why are there so many cringe incest shippers?

If you talk and behave like a tourist, people pointing at that is merely stating facts.

My..... who would guess?
You make a cringe post and keep on doubling down, and claim everyone else but you is cringe.

Have you noticed what your discussions in Reddit, your discussions in 4chan and your discussions here have in common?
Yes.
You.

@Puntosmx I don't know why I'm being called a tourist by someone who's watched less and has joined later than me.

I'm morally bankrupt for defending a consensual activity that doesn't violate any consent-based principle and is therefore unjustifiably vilified?
I am in awe at how you could possibly not see the irony...

@Zarutaku See there it is. Why does he argue for real incest? Who but himself is he arguing for?

Leaving aside the many diseases that come with incestuous child birth, It is quite literally illegal to marry your sibling here in the west. In some states, you're punished with life in prison.

The only people who think "incest is wincest" are only childs who watch too much hentai.

I'm morally bankrupt for defending a consensual activity that doesn't violate any consent-based principle and is therefore unjustifiably vilified?
I am in awe at how you could possibly not see the irony...

Why are there so many cringe sjw snowflakes that can't handle dark themes/jokes these days?

Is the possibility of condemning your child to a life of poor health and defects not reason enough to consider incest wrong? Like if that's not a good enough reason, idk what would be to you people.

Also, using the excuse of "Well if they can do it, I should be allowed to do it too" is just plain ignorant and dangerous. Both are wrong to do. This isn't about being a tourist, it's just morally and legally wrong. But like I said, people without siblings see nothing wrong with it.

@Zarutaku You seem to be unable to understand that consent can't always be given, for example, if you grow up with someone who fundamentally shapes your world view, who grooms you into being their wife. Incest is almost never consensual and even if it was, it should not be encouraged due to a mountain of health complications.

@Lucianael So what you are saying is that:

1. brainwashing a child is bad? Yes, I never claimed otherwise, that has nothing to do with consensual incest however.
   
2. non-consensual incest is bad? Yes, because it's non-consensual, not because it's incest.
   
3. incest shouldn't be encouraged? Yes, I never said it should be encouraged and I'm fine if it's discouraged, but it shouldn't be vilified, ostracized or criminalized.

@Zarutaku Exept the whole reason it's vilified, ostracized and criminalized is to discourage it

@DigiCat Right, but there are less vicious ways to do that.

Why do you say "your threshold" like as if I'm the one making the rules. These are just the facts whether I say it or someone else does. It's illegal for a reason.

I'm sure I don't have to explain why you can't compare regular child birth and incestuous child birth, because I think you already know how ridiculous it is. Yes... Inbreeding can cause many horrific birth defects, and that alone is reason enough. If dooming a child's life from birth purely for your own selfish desires isn't a good enough reason, then I'm not sure what is. Where do YOU draw the line?
Also, I've never excluded other relationships that have a high likelihood of child birth defects. They're just as bad.

I would love to see "wincest" people keep this same energy when they tell their parents about their relationship to their siblings and call them "tourists" when they inevitably and rightfully shut that down.

@Zarutaku So calling something that can harm children a crime is vicious?

@Zarutaku But it doesn't matter whether this single case of Aqua and Ruby is consensual, because it is a fictitious scenario that simply can never be, using it as an example for why incestious relationships are fine is just wrong. The problem with making it legal is simply, that this act in of itself is already encouraging. Apart from that, grooming your children into a relationship is something that has happened a lot in societies that allowed these kind of relationships. I agree that if it is perfectly consensual and all it should be legal, but that's like advocating for drinking bleach, just because people should have their freedom, doesn't mean, that they should really do everything. This also ignores the gigantic moral implication of willingly taking the risks of genetic mutations in children, a suffering that is very much preventable.

This leaves us with the simple question of who is being hurt by criminalizing incest, because the only people that suffer from it, are the very few who found a functional relationship with a relative, know the health risks and work around them, were not mentally compromised during their childhood and adolescents and never have children. These people should be allowed to live happily, but I also imagine, that people who manage to do all of those things, rarely resort to dating a family member and even if they did, they would probably manage to leave that relationship. I'm sorry, but I see the suffering of mentally abused children as more important then the break up of a few couples.

@DigiCat We already had this debate in the other topic, I think the conclusion was that giving life to a child is never a crime because it wouldn't even be alive otherwise, and claiming that the latter is better would be selective antinatalism.

Why not? It's very well-made.

...in the real world.

Please, provide me the reason why you incorrectlt BELIEVE that fictional incest leads to real-world incest, and add a comment for why, in your mind, it does while every single study about violent videogames found that they don't cause violent crime in the real world.

Well, congratulations on worrying about real humans.

But I remind you that we're talking about FICTIONAL characters who were reincarnated into the twin babies of their faborite idol.

When such a reincarnation happens in the real world, tell me as I would worry about the children of those REAL HUMANS having congenital illnesses.

To this date, that has not happened, so you can tone down your concern for DRAWINGS ON THE SCREEN.

@Zarutaku I in fact never said pregnancies from incest should be terminated souly on that alone in other topics, but if you don't concieve a child thru incest in the first place then there's no child to worry about never being alive, that is not selective antinatalism, that is common sense

@Puntosmx Bruh... What the hell are you blabbering on about? @Zarutaku and I were having a civil discussion about the reason why most people find incest in general to be wrong.

Don't get it twisted... I love Oshi no Ko and many other shows that feature incest. It's just that the incest aspect is something that I, and many others dislike. It's still a masterpiece of a show and it's not going to stop me from watching it but don't sit here and act like "turn offs" don't exist. I'm 100% sure there are some cliches that you dislike too so stop coming at others over their own preferences.

@DigiCat I wasn't referring to abortion above, but yes if the couple doesn't want to have a child, it's better to not conceive it, that's obvious.
However, if their love is strong enough to want to have a child and they are aware of the increased risks & possible consequences, then they should be free to do so, because it's their business. Saying that they should be forbidden to create new life, because there's an increased risk of increased suffering, is a form of selective antinatalism, but whether that's also common sense is probably one of the core points in this matter, and my stance is that forbidding the creation of life is a fundamental violation of basic rights.

@JadeHoxen I don't mind if other dislike incest or anything else, unless they start talking condescendingly like the OP of this topic, then it might happen that I retort.