Attack on Titan
| I sadly didn’t enjoy the ending that much. However, I’m willing to admit that I’m not the smartest guy, so maybe I misunderstood a couple of things. I would like to post some questions that you can reflect over, and hopefully it’ll help me (maybe others) understand the ending even better. 1. What was Erens plan exactly? And what did he achieve? Did he get what he wanted? 2. Why was it important to reveal that Ymir loved King Fritz? 3. What’s your interpretation of the ending credits? I hope we can get a somewhat proper discussion going. Of course, I’ll provide my own thoughts and feelings in replies to you all! |
| I think many people misunderstand Eren's motivation and the credits scene. Eren actually won. He accomplished what he wanted to accomplish - peaceful and long lives for his friends and comrades. He even lifted the titan curse that would have killed Armin and other titans after 15 years. The war in the end credits happens in the distant future, after everything is long washed away. Mikasa has a family and lives out her life in peace. Armin manages to accomplish peace between Paradis and the rest of the world. It's an absolute win I can answer your questions as much as you want, Peace! |
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| I don't believe I'm the most apt person to answer, but this is what I think: 1) Eren's plan was merely a show. He wanted to commit mass genocide only to be simply killed by his own friends, ending "the root of all evil" thus making the world perceive his friends and people of Paradis as heroes. I interpret it as— Eren wants to make the world believe he's the bad apple and Eldians are just as human as everyone else (especially after everything related to the Titans have been wiped). Whether or not he achieved what he wanted, I don't know. The world still viewed Eldians with caution but as the end credits suggest, things did turn out well for a presumably long period of time. 2) I have no idea and I don't want to know what Yams wanted to show either. It's very anti-climatic and poor. 3) As I mentioned just ago, the end credits are just telling of a simple hit-in-the-face fact— there's no such thing as eternal peace and harmony. We see Paradis island developing alongside Eren's grave and witness a series of destruction until at the very last where it seems to have become a far-future dystopian society. As the title of the ending song suggests, it could very well be 20,000 years into the future, where humanity experiences the popular dystopian sci-fi world. It's a very good sequence of scenes, a very meaningful one to me. Not even the power of the Founding Titan or anyone can change the instincts of humans. The story simply wants to end on this reoccurring theme throughout its entirety; humans are the biggest enemies of humanity. |
| - What was Erens plan exactly? It was not his plan, it was the one he chose from the various futures he saw due to his power. He chose to reduce the warlike power of all his enemies (which already surpassed the titans) by massacring them to put the balance of negotiation in favor of the island. - And what did he achieve? As you can see in the credits he achieved peace and prosperity for the island for many years. - Did he get what he wanted? No, because he wanted to live in freedom with those he loved, but his time of life and the weapons of the world were against him, so he sacrificed his own freedom and that of his enemies in order to give it to those he loved. - Why was it important to reveal that Ymir loved King Fritz? Because the future that Eren chose uses Mikasa as a brake on the rumble, taking advantage of the similarity of Ymir and Mikasa with his obsessive love, so that Ymir sees that there was another option, accepts his mistake and renounces the duty that Fritz left him. - What's your interpretation of the ending credits? The island achieves peace for many years. Mikasa finds a mate and starts a family, but still remembers Eren. In the future the world gets its revenge and destroys the island. From the shape of the tree it seems that the centipede is still alive waiting for its next guest. |
| 1. What was Erens plan exactly? And what did he achieve? Did he get what he wanted? eren is a slave to his visions implanted by ymir, the mastermind for the rumbling and all things is ymir who has this grand plan for mikasa to see if mikasa can overcome some sort of obsessive love about their lovers, in the manga eren said even if his friends tried to stop him he will still do the rumbling but armin ask why he simply said in the manga i do not know but here in the anime he simply said im an idiot and implied he is corrupted by power 2. Why was it important to reveal that Ymir loved King Fritz? ymir got obsessive love aka stockholm syndrome with king fritz so she basically is a slave of king fritz for thousands of years even with her god like powers she still a slave and follows faithfully king fritz that like to maintain eldian supremacy, ymir wants to break free from that love slavery and she found a vision an answer with mikasa as another one that has obsessive love for eren, mikasa being an ackerman is immune to the brainwashing or slavery of the founding titan and thus king fritz so she is a perfect specimen for her to know and realize right in front of her eyes if mikasa can kill her lover that is eren 3. What’s your interpretation of the ending credits? its true to the cycle of hate and violence aka history repeats itself attack on titan is about nihilism or pessimism and nature is greater than nurture  |
| Imma explain in layman's term. Eren did all this BS for his friends to live long life and other things coz he was an idiot as he said that. King Fritz was asshole and walking Red Flag and Ymir being good girl and oppressed for all her life saw fritz as the only person who cared for her even if it was just a teeny tiny bit, its like someone who is abused a lot but won't leave their abuser as their whole life they were never loved so for an ounce of love they will turn towards their abuser as this applies to real life. End credit scene is just dark ending as it shows there was never a peace as after 300-500 years war finally catches to paradis island as it was a bustling metropolis and eventually get destroyed and that little boy in paradis wasteland came across same tree where eren was buried and it was implied that eren's remains are still there and that same creature which makes titan is also there, which relates to ymir falling in same tree hole where that creature was and this shows that titans will once again roam the lands and the hate cycle continues. This is what I interpreted. |
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
Reply to IAmVento
Let me see if I can explain it. Eren wanted to end the cycle of hatred, so he used his power to see into the future to find a reality where that is possible. Unfortunately, since he’s just a “garden variety idiot” the only way for him to create peace was to make himself the common enemy of the world and have his friends save it. Basically, if his friends save the world, everybody will praise paradis instead of oppress them. Also, paradis was underdeveloped compared to the rest of the world, so eren literally brought the rest of the world down to their level by wiping out most of the planet. Armin comments on this and says “you can’t have war with no people is a bad joke” which confirms the garden variety idiot thing. Yes, he got what he wanted. Since he can see the future, he already knew the outcome before it happened and set this up to reduce racism and war. The whole plan is kind of similar to Thanos plan.
Ymir loving king fritz has an important message. First it is a parallel to mikasa and eren. Mikasa loved eren even though he was being a scumbag. When mikasa kills eren, she ends this cycle of abuse and shows Ymir she doesn’t have to obey this guy just because she loves him. This is a powerful message the author is trying to get across. He’s saying that sometimes you are blinded by love and do things that don’t make sense. This can lead to someone getting abused in the relationship or worse.
Idk what the end credit scene really means but I think it was the baby who almost fell off the cliff and now grew up. Also that was the tree from the paths I think so maybe he’s restarting the cycle? I believe this scene is meant to be up to the viewers interpretation. Just my thoughts. Hope I could help!
Ymir loving king fritz has an important message. First it is a parallel to mikasa and eren. Mikasa loved eren even though he was being a scumbag. When mikasa kills eren, she ends this cycle of abuse and shows Ymir she doesn’t have to obey this guy just because she loves him. This is a powerful message the author is trying to get across. He’s saying that sometimes you are blinded by love and do things that don’t make sense. This can lead to someone getting abused in the relationship or worse.
Idk what the end credit scene really means but I think it was the baby who almost fell off the cliff and now grew up. Also that was the tree from the paths I think so maybe he’s restarting the cycle? I believe this scene is meant to be up to the viewers interpretation. Just my thoughts. Hope I could help!
| @IAmVento Bruv the baby falling off the cliff died ages ago by getting old, in the end you have seen mikasa old on death bed so everyone from that era is dead and it's also evident from the fact that paradis gotten advanced with tall buildings and basically a metropolis and end destruction was nuclear so its like 200-300 years in future so clearly that baby who was about to fell off the cliff was not the same as that boy. Baby shown was symbolic as humanity was still trying to save that baby even when they are on their last thread so there is that. |
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| All I want to know is whether the cabin scene is imagination or if it's memories and something that actually happened. I feel like I need to read the last chapter to better understand what this episode was about. How I wish they spent more time on the ending. I feel like Isayama just dropped a bomb on us all and wanted us to be like "yeah ok, we accept that" without explaining half of it. |
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murasaki_96 said: @Biisoo so whats the relationship between Mikasa and Ymir Fritz? I kinda dont get this part when Eren and Armin talking about Mikasa, near the end of the episode. I'll try to explain to the best of my ability, Bear with me. Basically the reason why Mikasa got headaches was because Ymir was poking around inside her head. Why? Because Ymir thought Mikasa was similar to herself. Like how Ymir loved the King Fritz and would do anything for him, Mikasa loved Eren and would do anything for him. So all this time since Mikasa was born, Ymir thought that maybe Mikasa is gonna be the one to finally show me the answer (The answer to why she couldnt move on from King Fritz and stuck in 2000 years slumber). When she saw Mikasa kill Eren, her beloved she finally realized her own mistake in loving Fritz and never forgetting him. So when she saw Mikasa kill Eren, She smiled and finally moved on and then she no longer had any regrets left in the world. Thus why the Titan centipede thingy faded too. Because Ymir no longer wanted that power as she was free now. I hope I was able to explain it well? haha lemme know if you have any more questions. |
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| for 3, I believe it was mainly to show that the cycle it never-ending. its kind of a pessimistic ending but its realistic at least. basically nothing was really solved as titans will return and the cycle of violence will likely continue forever. |
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Cynical_Pink said: Biisoo said: So all this time since Mikasa was born, Ymir thought that maybe Mikasa is gonna be the one to finally show me the answer I've got a question if it's okay to jump in.. But why Mikasa? Is Ymir constantly watching the future of every single Eldian to ever be born? Because if that's the case, it seems like she should have seen other people let go of (or even kill) loved ones for a greater good at some point in those 2,000 years. Isn't breaking free of shackles despite a desperation to be loved/wanted more or less what happened between Historia and her father? I'm an anime-only, and I was under the impression Ymir was living in ignorance/solitude for all of that time until Eren convinced her to open her eyes to the pain that lonely servitude was causing her (or maybe that was just an artsy style choice). Anyway, take all of that with a grain of salt! I've only seen the episodes once and there was a lot to unravel. The Mikasa/Ymir connection is the only thing that makes me feel particularly stumped, though. Hahaha you're welcome to join in! xD Now tbh, your point makes perfect sense as to why Mikasa but then we come to the point that since its Eren and Mikasa's story thats why? Another take on this can be that, Ymir never cared about what happened to Eldian people and she was just in the paths, stuck and unable to see. What if Eren after hugging Ymir, triggered a time paradox like reaction, which made the Ymir a few years back start looking inside Mikasa's mind and thus decide whether she's the one? Or maybe if Eren didnt hug or snap Ymir out of her trance like state then maybe Ymir would have ignored Mikasa too? If Mikasa's headaches started after rumbling then this would be explained by Eren simply doing it, but since Mikasa always had those headaches, could it be the future eren sent a message to the past ymir to look out for Mikasa and she became interested in her life gradually? I could be wrong but its fun to speculate hahaha. |
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Cynical_Pink said: Biisoo said: Another take on this can be that, Ymir never cared about what happened to Eldian people and she was just in the paths, stuck and unable to see. What if Eren after hugging Ymir, triggered a time paradox like reaction, which made the Ymir a few years back start looking inside Mikasa's mind and thus decide whether she's the one? Or maybe if Eren didnt hug or snap Ymir out of her trance like state then maybe Ymir would have ignored Mikasa too? Biisoo said: but since Mikasa always had those headaches, could it be the future eren sent a message to the past ymir to look out for Mikasa and she became interested in her life gradually? Thanks! I'm never a fan of time travel when it uses the "For this to happen in the past, someone had to first do this in the future" plots, but that makes sense (as much as time paradox-y things can make sense, lol) I'm the polar opposite, I just love time travel in general. If x did this then what would z do, This stuff oddly enough makes me so excited. I normally dont theorize about anime endings or even generally anime but this Aot ending has turned my brain all the way to max. Initially I was also a bit on the fence on the ending, but after connecting all the pieces I just love the ending now and think its a masterpiece. Amazingly written by Isayama. At face value, this ending is bad because everyone dies, but the message is quite powerful and realistic aswell that Human nature never changes and Life is a cycle. |
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Cynical_Pink said: Haha, you're like my friend -- he also likes that kind of story. No problem with that! Definitely a matter of taste. I like time travel plots where radical decisions create multiple timelines/universes, but the other kind break my brain. That said, I was pleasantly surprised with the ending! After the manga's conclusion, the outcry had me expecting the worst. Can't say it was my favorite series finale ever, but it in no way ruined the show for me (and I definitely didn't think it was bad). I was an emotional mess by the end and am sad to have to let these characters go. Like or hate the finale, I really hope most people who followed the story this whole time at least walk away with memories of having enjoyed the ride -- either by themselves or alongside other fans, it's been a hell of a trip. The thing is, they're people who've just started Aot recently because of hype but I started it in 2013 when it premiered so it has been a part of my life for 10 or so years atleast Along the way I've grown as a person, had ups and downs, graduated from university (10 years is alot). So for me this series has cemented a place in my heart forever. Kinda like Naruto for me. Watching Aot back in the day was one of the best decisions I ever made no doubt. |
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