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Jul 20, 2023 3:36 AM
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Looking at how the art has less details than before, mappa is probably going to over smear the frames during fights with the characters looking wacky in every frame. I'm saying this cuz of the trailer and they are definitely using too much smear.

I hope they don't make it look as bad as the trailer.
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Jul 20, 2023 3:50 AM
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Staxrex said:
Looking at how the art has less details than before, mappa is probably going to over smear the frames during fights with the characters looking wacky in every frame. I'm saying this cuz of the trailer and they are definitely using too much smear.

I hope they don't make it look as bad as the trailer.

I don't think their was anything working with the animation alltho I admit it feels like something missing. op&ed felt great tho because of the wackyness ( personal opinion) but MAPPA nows what it's doing
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Jul 20, 2023 4:05 AM
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God you guys are almost as bad as AOT fans, chill out already. It looks amazing.
Jul 20, 2023 4:19 AM
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God you guys are almost as bad as AOT fans, chill out already. It looks amazing.

I know and I gave no complent ๐Ÿ˜ถ
Jul 20, 2023 4:57 AM
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PenguinBot said:
I don't mind, I'm the type of person that prefers fluid animation with less details over the opposite (for action scenes at least). I don't know shit about animation so as long as the end product is good I'm fine.

Same lol i dont know anything abt animation either
Jul 20, 2023 4:58 AM
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The animation so far has been amazing. People don't know good animation when they see it. Not everything needs to have demon slayer level animation. This is mappa not ufotable.
Jul 20, 2023 5:02 AM
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God you guys are just a bunch of baby’s man
Jul 20, 2023 5:09 AM
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damn smears are bad now huh
Jul 20, 2023 5:16 AM
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u sound like an idiot
Jul 20, 2023 5:30 AM

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Armaniooo said:
The animation so far has been amazing. People don't know good animation when they see it. Not everything needs to have demon slayer level animation. This is mappa not ufotable.

exactly. People need to stop comparing these tbh.
Jul 20, 2023 5:52 AM
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OMFG

FUCK, MAN!

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Jul 20, 2023 6:07 AM

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Staxrex said:
Looking at how the art has less details than before, mappa is probably going to over smear the frames during fights with the characters looking wacky in every frame. I'm saying this cuz of the trailer and they are definitely using too much smear.

I hope they don't make it look as bad as the trailer.
Totally agree with you. I sorely miss the S1 art-style.
Jul 20, 2023 6:30 AM

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Staxrex said:
Looking at how the art has less details than before, mappa is probably going to over smear the frames during fights with the characters looking wacky in every frame. I'm saying this cuz of the trailer and they are definitely using too much smear.

I hope they don't make it look as bad as the trailer.

I see where you’re coming from. Idk, maybe I see things differently. The animation has been amazing and has enhanced the areas in manga that were lacking during Hidden Inventory. This last episode was really good, especially the animation. That Gojo glass scene was insane!
"To Infinity and Beyond."
Jul 20, 2023 6:43 AM
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Who cares smears look cool in a lot of styles of animation
Jul 20, 2023 6:45 AM

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"Over smearing" is not a thing. That's just Kanada-style animation, which is based on strong individual poses and snappy timing over pure fluidity.
Jul 20, 2023 6:55 AM
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The mappa hate is crazy. If violet evergarden was animated by mappa, these people would still nitpick down to a single pixel and complain about non-existent problems with animation
Jul 20, 2023 7:39 AM
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Damn, people really can't have an opinion these days. I agree that, so far, the animation hasn't been up to par with the first season. I've still been enjoying the show, but it is a bit unfortunate.
Jul 20, 2023 7:44 AM
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Talking about "MAPPA is going to" NO!!! Mappa isn't going to do anything. It is an individual's animation style, not a company. K1ro has a different way of animating things than Gosso or Imai. Different people animate in different ways. That's it. Sure art style has to remain consistent, but different animation styles is what makes individual animators distinct from each other.

edit: its ok not to like certain animation styles. but dont correlate all aspects of a show to some corporate decision making
Jul 20, 2023 7:54 AM
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Tyao said:
Damn, people really can't have an opinion these days. I agree that, so far, the animation hasn't been up to par with the first season. I've still been enjoying the show, but it is a bit unfortunate.

I’ll say wait until ep4
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Tyao said:
Damn, people really can't have an opinion these days. I agree that, so far, the animation hasn't been up to par with the first season. I've still been enjoying the show, but it is a bit unfortunate.


He can have his opinion. It's just funny that it's from someone like him.

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Jul 20, 2023 8:48 AM
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Tyao said:
Damn, people really can't have an opinion these days. I agree that, so far, the animation hasn't been up to par with the first season. I've still been enjoying the show, but it is a bit unfortunate.
its just simply wrong though. the animation this season has been better, you are just confusing detailed character models with animation. from an animation standpoint this season has already been more impressive than the first.
Jul 20, 2023 10:11 AM

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now smears are bad now. Before that, is cinematic direction

idk if it is just me or anime fans are getting more stupid now
Jul 20, 2023 10:20 AM
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DrkSeid69 said:
now smears are bad now. Before that, is cinematic direction

idk if it is just me or anime fans are getting more stupid now

I think Humans are getting stupider.
Jul 20, 2023 10:38 AM
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Stfu stop whining and if you’re gonna keep complaining just read it
Jul 20, 2023 10:55 AM
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smears are bad now? wow, ufotable really ruined the entire anime industry with their firework show hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jul 20, 2023 11:03 AM
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It looks way better than season 1. the smear frames are fantastic
Jul 20, 2023 11:05 AM
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Staxrex said:
"I hope they don't make it look as bad as the trailer."
Wtf is blud talking about๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ Has no idea what good animation is ๐Ÿ’€
Jul 20, 2023 11:15 AM
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I don't get it. of course theres a lot of smearing. its 2d animation and the fight scenes are meant to be fast paced. Smearing adds to the fluidity of animation cos it creates a sense of motion blur as you with see in real life at that speed. How else would you want to do it and make it look as good. what do you want every in between frame and keyframe to be drawn fully. If thats done it wouldn't give the feeling of fast paced action like they intend. Since when is smearing a bad thing.
Jul 20, 2023 11:21 AM
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Not_Hitori said:
God you guys are almost as bad as AOT fans, chill out already. It looks amazing.

Man, the backstory ARC of Satoru Shool days actually dissapointed a lot of fans of the Jujutsu Kaisen. We are excepting at least good animation, unforently even the first Episode of this season was also dissapointing in this context
Jul 20, 2023 11:29 AM
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delicious smears

Jul 20, 2023 11:32 AM
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delicious smears


Honestly who doesn’t like them, makes movement way more fun. One Piece has especially used them well recently. The people in this forum seemingly don’t understand what good animation is.
Jul 20, 2023 11:35 AM
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Not_Hitori said:
deg said:
delicious smears


Honestly who doesn’t like them, makes movement way more fun. One Piece has especially used them well recently. The people in this forum seemingly don’t understand what good animation is.


ye this is the first time ive heard someone complained about smears being bad when it adds fast motion effects to any fast pace battle scenes anyway
Jul 20, 2023 11:43 AM

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We are NOT gonna do this every week. What they did this episode is a particular style of animation. Not your cup of tea? Fair. But stop making posts about it(talking to anyone who decides to do this in the future).


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Man, I gotta be honest, I didn't enjoy the Toji vs. Gojo fight as much as I expected to, especially after reading it in the manga. Season 1 just had a way of making every action scene stand out for me. I think the brief faceoff between Sukuna and Gojo in s1 episode 2 was far more impressive. The Toji vs. Gojo fights got kinda blurry at times.

( I don't care about animation at all, I'm talking about the enjoyment factor of the fights)

๐“œ๐“ช๐”‚๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ญ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ ๐“ต๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฟ๐“ฎ ๐“ช๐“ผ ๐“ถ๐“พ๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ถ๐“ฎ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐“ธ๐“ฏ ๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ป๐“ผ๐“ฎ๐“ต๐“ฟ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐”€๐“ฒ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ ๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ธ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ซ๐“ฎ๐“ฌ๐“ช๐“พ๐“ผ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ด๐“ท๐“ฎ๐”€ ๐“ธ๐“ท๐“ฎ ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ต๐“ญ๐“ท'๐“ฝ ๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ช๐“ท๐”‚ ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฎ
Jul 20, 2023 12:24 PM
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building up for ep 5
Jul 20, 2023 4:31 PM
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I thought season 2 wouldn't be so cool, but I was wrong, the best series๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Jul 20, 2023 6:33 PM

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funny complaint. they could try, and it still won't look as bad as the manga.
Jul 20, 2023 6:54 PM

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[quote=SAT_KUMAR message=69570982] The Toji vs. Gojo fights got kinda blurry at times./quote]

This is because of the constant ghosting and dimming used, which for some reason is way more constant so far compared to season 1. No idea why that's the case.
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Oongbuh said:
SAT_KUMAR said:
The Toji vs. Gojo fights got kinda blurry at times./quote]

This is because of the constant ghosting and dimming used, which for some reason is way more constant so far compared to season 1. No idea why that's the case.
Man, it's just that the whole action felt chaotic, like there were only two people fighting, yet somehow they made it all hectic and hard to follow. It ended up being pretty forgettable, and honestly, I'm kinda disappointed. I hope they step it up and make the rest of the season better, especially with the future battles in Shibuya, where you'll have several special-grade sorcerers fighting in a cramped space.

๐“œ๐“ช๐”‚๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ญ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ ๐“ต๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฟ๐“ฎ ๐“ช๐“ผ ๐“ถ๐“พ๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ถ๐“ฎ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐“ธ๐“ฏ ๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ป๐“ผ๐“ฎ๐“ต๐“ฟ๐“ฎ๐“ผ ๐”€๐“ฒ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ ๐“ฎ๐“ช๐“ฌ๐“ฑ ๐“ธ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ซ๐“ฎ๐“ฌ๐“ช๐“พ๐“ผ๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐“ด๐“ท๐“ฎ๐”€ ๐“ธ๐“ท๐“ฎ ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐”€๐“ฎ ๐”€๐“ธ๐“พ๐“ต๐“ญ๐“ท'๐“ฝ ๐“ซ๐“ฎ ๐“ฝ๐“ธ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ๐“ฝ๐“ฑ๐“ฎ๐“ป ๐“ช๐“ท๐”‚ ๐“ถ๐“ธ๐“ป๐“ฎ
Jul 21, 2023 12:24 AM
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Oongbuh said:
"Over smearing" is not a thing. That's just Kanada-style animation, which is based on strong individual poses and snappy timing over pure fluidity.

>Bob makes an animation strip
>Bob likes to scribble all over it with randomly colored crayons
>Bob shows it to Jeff
>Jeff is confused and cannot seem to understand Bob's work
>"you scribbled too much! i cant see the page!" Jeff says
>Jimmy says "he's not scribbling! that's just his style!"

...

over smearing is absolutely a thing. if a camera follows a someone lobbing a ball and once he starts moving everything suddenly gets unbelievably blurry and smeared beyond the point of being able to make out objects, what else is that to be but *too much*? a line has got to be drawn somewhere, and you've claimed that it's drawn nowhere. now, obviously, i am exaggerating things to an extreme extent for the sake of my argument when things back down on JJK are completely fine, im simply pointing out statements that i cant seem to find enough justifiable reason in.

nit-picking furthermore, how is this considered Kanada-style animation? after a 2-minute quick google session, i learned that kanada-style animation is indeed a thing, although abstract. what confuses me is how your's and google's somewhat vague discriptions contrast and how you qualify this anime as kanada-style animation despite it, in my opinion, not upholding your description of the concept.

i find this interesting so i'd love to know how you identify this style in greater detail.

also, i want to clarify that i have nothing against this season's smearing or animation style, although i think it, to a degree, inferior to the last season's.
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Oongbuh said:
"Over smearing" is not a thing. That's just Kanada-style animation, which is based on strong individual poses and snappy timing over pure fluidity.
Not that I'm agreeing with OP but that isn't Kanada style. A major staple of Kanada style is strong drawings, exaggerated posing and less frames being used to get the action across. Smears are present, but are utilised in a completely different way than how the Gojo/ Toji fight used them. To put it simply, Kanada style focuses more on timing than fluidity to make actions feel snappy. Kai Ikarashi and Hiroyuki Imaishi are two big names who have made the style more popular among Western viewers, to the point where when Western anime fans talk about Kanada- style, they are more than likely talking about shows directed by Imaishi and Trigger anime in general due to how often they utilise it. Examples of Kanada- style:
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/214791
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/111420
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/223918

Over- smearing is definitely a thing btw. Smears are incredibly useful, but when they are used too much to the point that actions are hard to read, they definitely need to be dialed down. Not that that was a problem in this fight.
Jul 21, 2023 2:05 AM
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The MAPPA hate is insane. Different excuses just to hate on MAPPA

After watching the episode, the last thing I expected to see here was a complaint about the animation...wtf
Jul 21, 2023 2:14 AM
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you are not the animeter just shut the fuck up
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SAT_KUMAR said:
Man, I gotta be honest, I didn't enjoy the Toji vs. Gojo fight as much as I expected to, especially after reading it in the manga. Season 1 just had a way of making every action scene stand out for me. I think the brief faceoff between Sukuna and Gojo in s1 episode 2 was far more impressive. The Toji vs. Gojo fights got kinda blurry at times.

( I don't care about animation at all, I'm talking about the enjoyment factor of the fights)
My dude that small fight between gojo and sukuna in episode 2 of season 1 is literally animated by the same person like you cant make this stuff up...
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Damn, people really can't have an opinion these days. I agree that, so far, the animation hasn't been up to par with the first season. I've still been enjoying the show, but it is a bit unfortunate.
ffs you can have your opinion and prefer season 1 style over season 2 but a lot of people dont seem to recall the low points of season 1, if you now go and watch the first 3 episodes of s1 you will see how superior this first 3 of s2 are in direction, storyboarding and animation. Again you just like many other may prefer s1 style but there are certain stuff that need to be evaluated objectively and just like you can make a report that is called objetively bad you can do that with animation and compositing too, and season 2 is objetively far superior for now if compared episode by episode in those regards and thats not a matter of taste or opinion what is subjective is the art style and in that may rely your problem due to it being a bit more simplified.
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Not_Hitori said:
God you guys are almost as bad as AOT fans, chill out already. It looks amazing.
We are excepting at least good animation, unforently even the first Episode of this season was also dissapointing in this context


Good animation is literally what you got, and more. At this point it's not even just an opinion, anime fans are literally just ungrateful fucking babies at this point. Wish Demon slayer and Ufotable in general never existed so you people stopped defining """"""""good""""""" animation as just shoving lights in every goddamn hole you can.
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Oongbuh said:
"Over smearing" is not a thing. That's just Kanada-style animation, which is based on strong individual poses and snappy timing over pure fluidity.

>Bob makes an animation strip
>Bob likes to scribble all over it with randomly colored crayons
>Bob shows it to Jeff
>Jeff is confused and cannot seem to understand Bob's work
>"you scribbled too much! i cant see the page!" Jeff says
>Jimmy says "he's not scribbling! that's just his style!"

...

over smearing is absolutely a thing. if a camera follows a someone lobbing a ball and once he starts moving everything suddenly gets unbelievably blurry and smeared beyond the point of being able to make out objects, what else is that to be but *too much*? a line has got to be drawn somewhere, and you've claimed that it's drawn nowhere. now, obviously, i am exaggerating things to an extreme extent for the sake of my argument when things back down on JJK are completely fine, im simply pointing out statements that i cant seem to find enough justifiable reason in.

nit-picking furthermore, how is this considered Kanada-style animation? after a 2-minute quick google session, i learned that kanada-style animation is indeed a thing, although abstract. what confuses me is how your's and google's somewhat vague discriptions contrast and how you qualify this anime as kanada-style animation despite it, in my opinion, not upholding your description of the concept.

i find this interesting so i'd love to know how you identify this style in greater detail.

also, i want to clarify that i have nothing against this season's smearing or animation style, although i think it, to a degree, inferior to the last season's.


Literally the entire sequence of Toji zipping around everywhere all the way to him get thrown away by Gojo is an example of Kanada-style animation. In fact, you can literally look up Kosuke Kato's name and see that all of his work follows the Kanada-style philosophy of animation - the movements are based on snappy timing and specific frames over pure fluid movement.
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Oongbuh said:
"Over smearing" is not a thing. That's just Kanada-style animation, which is based on strong individual poses and snappy timing over pure fluidity.
Not that I'm agreeing with OP but that isn't Kanada style. A major staple of Kanada style is strong drawings, exaggerated posing and less frames being used to get the action across.


.....and all of these are literally present throughout the entire sequence of Toji dashing across the forest and heading towards Gojo. Snappy timing, strong drawings, less frames... like, did we watch the same scene? At all? And Kosuke Kato who animated it is a Kanada-style animator by himself, literally every scene he does follows the same principles. How are you gonna try to "correct" someone but then say such dumb shit?
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its a darn shame how ignorant you  new kids are. dont know anything  about  animation, so you call historically loved animation  traits and style "sMeArIng"... holy shit. this medium should've stayed gatekept
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Oongbuh said:
Thatbaldwaffle said:

>Bob makes an animation strip
>Bob likes to scribble all over it with randomly colored crayons
>Bob shows it to Jeff
>Jeff is confused and cannot seem to understand Bob's work
>"you scribbled too much! i cant see the page!" Jeff says
>Jimmy says "he's not scribbling! that's just his style!"

...

over smearing is absolutely a thing. if a camera follows a someone lobbing a ball and once he starts moving everything suddenly gets unbelievably blurry and smeared beyond the point of being able to make out objects, what else is that to be but *too much*? a line has got to be drawn somewhere, and you've claimed that it's drawn nowhere. now, obviously, i am exaggerating things to an extreme extent for the sake of my argument when things back down on JJK are completely fine, im simply pointing out statements that i cant seem to find enough justifiable reason in.

nit-picking furthermore, how is this considered Kanada-style animation? after a 2-minute quick google session, i learned that kanada-style animation is indeed a thing, although abstract. what confuses me is how your's and google's somewhat vague discriptions contrast and how you qualify this anime as kanada-style animation despite it, in my opinion, not upholding your description of the concept.

i find this interesting so i'd love to know how you identify this style in greater detail.

also, i want to clarify that i have nothing against this season's smearing or animation style, although i think it, to a degree, inferior to the last season's.


Literally the entire sequence of Toji zipping around everywhere all the way to him get thrown away by Gojo is an example of Kanada-style animation. In fact, you can literally look up Kosuke Kato's name and see that all of his work follows the Kanada-style philosophy of animation - the movements are based on snappy timing and specific frames over pure fluid movement.

what you're saying is evident in the animation but even so, what point is there in classifying "over-smearing" as a style? it doesn't change anything in the slightest. regardless of if it is a style or a mistake, the fact that it can be percieved as "too much" does not change. there is not no such thing as "too much".

once again however i dont even think the animation was too much i have no quarrels to battle here except against a select few of idiots
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