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ejleon said:
Have you watched both seasons?

Yes everything..

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 8:44 AM

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Ok I watched only the first season… so I should just wait till I watch the second season.

Sorry to bother you

Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Jan 28, 2023 8:46 AM

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ejleon said:
Ok I watched only the first season… so I should just wait till I watch the second season.

Sorry to bother you

Its fine.Tell me what will u make out of the ending😉.I mean what do u think happens after it ends.That is ofc after u finish it.

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 8:51 AM

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well ,it's more like entering your own body with memories from different world lines

Jan 28, 2023 8:52 AM

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And makise remembers him because in that timeline makise has that ability but that was not shown in too detail

Jan 28, 2023 8:53 AM

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Amamiya__Ren said:
well ,it's more like entering your own body with memories from different world lines

So the same as when he suddenly entered the world line where kurisu was alive and then he went back to beta worldline?

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 8:53 AM

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Amamiya__Ren said:
And makise remembers him because in that timeline makise has that ability but that was not shown in too detail

So what about when she said that faris "everyone" remembers you.?

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 8:54 AM

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yes , he had to do that in order to change everything

Jan 28, 2023 8:55 AM

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Amamiya__Ren said:
yes , he had to do that in order to change everything

So u are saying he got transferred into another worldline which is also steins gate but in which okabe is here?
And he doesnt disappears?

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 8:56 AM

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Hisokalovesgon said:

Amamiya__Ren said:
And makise remembers him because in that timeline makise has that ability but that was not shown in too detail

So what about when she said that faris "everyone" remembers you.?

the difference in timeline came back as dreams and they remembered him as they inherited their different timeline version's memories

Jan 28, 2023 8:58 AM

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Hisokalovesgon said:

Amamiya__Ren said:
yes , he had to do that in order to change everything

So u are saying he got transferred into another worldline which is also steins gate but in which okabe is here?
And he doesnt disappears?

yes it's somewhat alike but not truly, there are many timelines so when he changes his timeline , another version of him takes his place there

Jan 28, 2023 9:00 AM

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But the inheritence of memories of others was not mentioned in the anime.And the thing u said about okabe where did you?

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 9:00 AM

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Amamiya__Ren said:

Hisokalovesgon said:

So u are saying he got transferred into another worldline which is also steins gate but in which okabe is here?
And he doesnt disappears?

yes it's somewhat alike but not truly, there are many timelines so when he changes his timeline , another version of him takes his place there

Read the upper post.I forgot to quote

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 9:04 AM

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Hisokalovesgon said:
But the inheritence of memories of others was not mentioned in the anime.And the thing u said about okabe where did you?

it's just my theory, but as he jumped from future to past 3000 times or something using leaping device, he consistently transferred minds from his 1 step ahead future self, it is somewhat confusing in written

Jan 28, 2023 9:06 AM

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unlike time machine , time leaping device puts you into body of your future self

Jan 28, 2023 9:08 AM

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Amamiya__Ren said:

Hisokalovesgon said:
But the inheritence of memories of others was not mentioned in the anime.And the thing u said about okabe where did you?

it's just my theory, but as he jumped from future to past 3000 times or something using leaping device, he consistently transferred minds from his 1 step ahead future self, it is somewhat confusing in written

I just went back to history of forums made about steins gate ending and there seems to be only theories.Nobody really knows the real ending.

But since the theories I mean if theories could be logical and that explains the ending

The ending is logical but we dont know how or which one(theory) is correct.But at the end we can say the ending is logical.

But the writting is kinda not good.The author or whatever should have been better off explaining what actually happened

Watch order of Kizumonogatari or whatever you call it collectively. (I have watched the three movies kizu1, kizu2, kizu3) And I dont want any made up, just how the show was aired from start to end

Jan 28, 2023 9:09 AM

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well there are 2 ending, 1st is where he brings back makise and the second one is where he finds mayuri , or I can say that 1 where future holds priority and other where time machine needs to be built

Jan 28, 2023 9:10 AM

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so it all depends on the watch order, and as you watch the movie you can see all details

Jan 28, 2023 10:16 AM

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ueno_ said:
isn't the movie non canon? I can't remember much about steins gate but I remember the movie making no sense to me like the jumping of worldlines and stuff. I didn't dig deeper cuz I heard it was not canon.

The movie is none canon. That is true.

Jan 28, 2023 11:31 AM

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The movie was non canon don't think to much about it.

Jan 28, 2023 12:14 PM

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ueno_ said:
isn't the movie non canon? I can't remember much about steins gate but I remember the movie making no sense to me like the jumping of worldlines and stuff. I didn't dig deeper cuz I heard it was not canon.

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ueno_ said:
isn't the movie non canon? I can't remember much about steins gate but I remember the movie making no sense to me like the jumping of worldlines and stuff. I didn't dig deeper cuz I heard it was not canon.

The movie is none canon. That is true.

StarPlatinim said:
The movie was non canon don't think to much about it.

No it's canon. There is nothing in the movie which breaks the rules.

Btw, I don't understand OP's question, can someone explain what is the actual question? :D

Seriously once I finally be able to read Anonymous;Code, I will make thread here to address these widespread misconceptions like the movie being non-canon or "the Suzuha's disappearance is a plothole" stuff. Not so long time ago I was among those who thought these are contradictions but know I have more knowledge regarding this franchise than before and closer to fully understand the machanics.

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Jan 28, 2023 12:20 PM

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Hisokalovesgon can you please describe what your actual question is? I can't understand what you are talking about, but I'm certain I could answer your questions regarding Steins;Gate if I could understand your question. I guess English is not your 1st language so it is not easy to write, but please can you try to be more understandable?

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Jan 28, 2023 12:58 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

ueno_ said:
isn't the movie non canon? I can't remember much about steins gate but I remember the movie making no sense to me like the jumping of worldlines and stuff. I didn't dig deeper cuz I heard it was not canon.

RopeBuny said:

The movie is none canon. That is true.

StarPlatinim said:
The movie was non canon don't think to much about it.

No it's canon. There is nothing in the movie which breaks the rules.

Btw, I don't understand OP's question, can someone explain what is the actual question? :D

Seriously once I finally be able to read Anonymous;Code, I will make thread here to address these widespread misconceptions like the movie being non-canon or "the Suzuha's disappearance is a plothole" stuff. Not so long time ago I was among those who thought these are contradictions but know I have more knowledge regarding this franchise than before and closer to fully understand the machanics.

Interesting, since you are the most knowledgeable person around here regarding Steins;Gate and the SciADV series, I trust you have good reasons to come to that conclusion.

As much as I love Steins;Gate, I don't know anything about the other SciADV series, I haven't played those VN's nor watched those animes so maybe those other VN's explained with more details about what really happened in Steins;Gate, who knows.

In either case, I will await your explanation mate.

Jan 28, 2023 2:19 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

No it's canon. There is nothing in the movie which breaks the rules.

Btw, I don't understand OP's question, can someone explain what is the actual question? :D

Seriously once I finally be able to read Anonymous;Code, I will make thread here to address these widespread misconceptions like the movie being non-canon or "the Suzuha's disappearance is a plothole" stuff. Not so long time ago I was among those who thought these are contradictions but know I have more knowledge regarding this franchise than before and closer to fully understand the machanics.

Interesting, since you are the most knowledgeable person around here regarding Steins;Gate and the SciADV series, I trust you have good reasons to come to that conclusion.

As much as I love Steins;Gate, I don't know anything about the other SciADV series, I haven't played those VN's nor watched those animes so maybe those other VN's explained with more details about what really happened in Steins;Gate, who knows.

In either case, I will await your explanation mate.

Actually I can write a quick explanation right now, even without the A;C context I don't have currently (though I'm pretty sure based on the synopsis of A;C what is this context I'm missing - but I don't want to read spoilers to confirm that, so I patiently wait for it to release in English)

First, if you are really interested, listen this Drama CD called "A Posteriori Existence", which serves as a side material to the movie (imho, this should have been in the movie in some form...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEo4IsxRZ0k

And here comes my explanation (spoilers from literally everything Steins;Gate related and a bit of Anonymous;Code speculation):

At first, let's take a look at what happened to Suzuha. She disappears along with her time machine and no one (except for Okabe, who has a fully functional Reading Steiner) remembers her. Okabe also states that his Reading Steiner didn't activate - in the sense when the worldline changes and he actually "feels it". So she pretty much disappeared into the thin air. However, her actions in the past the consequences of those actions remained intact. She took Okabe to the past, and they saved Kurisu. This was not changed.

Secondly, let's see what happens to Okabe with the movie. He disappears into the thin air, and no one remembers him. Later of course people (who are having a weak form of Reading Steiner) start to remember him as a "deja vu". However Okabe's actions and their consequences remain intact: Kurisu is still saved, the opened bottle of Dr. Pepper falls to the ground after he disappears, etc... Sound familiar, right? :)

Now, what if I say, that the 2 phenomenon (Suzuha's disappearance, Okabe's disappearance) are not actually plot holes, or rule breaking stuff... but they are actually the exact same phenomenon? :)

The movie features the R "worldline" where Okabe is blasted into after his disappearance. The Drama CD explains it's not an actual worldline simultaneously being active with the Steins Gate worldline. It's a space where the universe throws out the "errors". Basically a trash bin. We know from both Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 that a person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. The time leap machine while theoretically just sends memories into the past, it actually sends someone's consciousness into the past. Amadeus is the perfect copy of the human brain. Okabe's digitized memories are acting as they have conscious while they are just stored on a hard drive between 2011 and 2036. And a bit of Chaos;Head stuff: "humans are acting like electrical devices".

A person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. Okabe has no memory connecting him to the Steins Gate world line. Suzuha has no memory connecting her to the Steins Gate world line. They have no memories = they don't have conscious = they are errors. The errors have to be erased, so the world just nukes them into the "R worldline" (which is the "Load Region of Deja Vu" - hence the title of the movie. Deja Vu are memories regarding these erased stuff... previous worldlines, people who were erased, etc...).

And here comes the speculated A;C context: Steins;Gate, and the other SciADV VNs are taking place in a simulated world. Which is btw strongly foreshadowed since the beginning of this franchise. Just staying with Steins;Gate, please rewatch the Alpacaman scene from Episode 1, it happens exactly after the opening ;) Also take a look at the lyrics of World Line, the 2nd ending theme of Steins;Gate 0 anime ;)

And if Steins;Gate is truly takes place in a simulated world, it's not really far fetched that the universe has some kind of automatic erase machanism to remove the errors :)

Uhh, maybe this is too much to comprehend at once :))

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Jan 28, 2023 5:22 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

Interesting, since you are the most knowledgeable person around here regarding Steins;Gate and the SciADV series, I trust you have good reasons to come to that conclusion.

As much as I love Steins;Gate, I don't know anything about the other SciADV series, I haven't played those VN's nor watched those animes so maybe those other VN's explained with more details about what really happened in Steins;Gate, who knows.

In either case, I will await your explanation mate.

Actually I can write a quick explanation right now, even without the A;C context I don't have currently (though I'm pretty sure based on the synopsis of A;C what is this context I'm missing - but I don't want to read spoilers to confirm that, so I patiently wait for it to release in English)

First, if you are really interested, listen this Drama CD called "A Posteriori Existence", which serves as a side material to the movie (imho, this should have been in the movie in some form...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEo4IsxRZ0k

And here comes my explanation (spoilers from literally everything Steins;Gate related and a bit of Anonymous;Code speculation):

At first, let's take a look at what happened to Suzuha. She disappears along with her time machine and no one (except for Okabe, who has a fully functional Reading Steiner) remembers her. Okabe also states that his Reading Steiner didn't activate - in the sense when the worldline changes and he actually "feels it". So she pretty much disappeared into the thin air. However, her actions in the past the consequences of those actions remained intact. She took Okabe to the past, and they saved Kurisu. This was not changed.

Secondly, let's see what happens to Okabe with the movie. He disappears into the thin air, and no one remembers him. Later of course people (who are having a weak form of Reading Steiner) start to remember him as a "deja vu". However Okabe's actions and their consequences remain intact: Kurisu is still saved, the opened bottle of Dr. Pepper falls to the ground after he disappears, etc... Sound familiar, right? :)

Now, what if I say, that the 2 phenomenon (Suzuha's disappearance, Okabe's disappearance) are not actually plot holes, or rule breaking stuff... but they are actually the exact same phenomenon? :)

The movie features the R "worldline" where Okabe is blasted into after his disappearance. The Drama CD explains it's not an actual worldline simultaneously being active with the Steins Gate worldline. It's a space where the universe throws out the "errors". Basically a trash bin. We know from both Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 that a person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. The time leap machine while theoretically just sends memories into the past, it actually sends someone's consciousness into the past. Amadeus is the perfect copy of the human brain. Okabe's digitized memories are acting as they have conscious while they are just stored on a hard drive between 2011 and 2036. And a bit of Chaos;Head stuff: "humans are acting like electrical devices".

A person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. Okabe has no memory connecting him to the Steins Gate world line. Suzuha has no memory connecting her to the Steins Gate world line. They have no memories = they don't have conscious = they are errors. The errors have to be erased, so the world just nukes them into the "R worldline" (which is the "Load Region of Deja Vu" - hence the title of the movie. Deja Vu are memories regarding these erased stuff... previous worldlines, people who were erased, etc...).

And here comes the speculated A;C context: Steins;Gate, and the other SciADV VNs are taking place in a simulated world. Which is btw strongly foreshadowed since the beginning of this franchise. Just staying with Steins;Gate, please rewatch the Alpacaman scene from Episode 1, it happens exactly after the opening ;) Also take a look at the lyrics of World Line, the 2nd ending theme of Steins;Gate 0 anime ;)

And if Steins;Gate is truly takes place in a simulated world, it's not really far fetched that the universe has some kind of automatic erase machanism to remove the errors :)

Uhh, maybe this is too much to comprehend at once :))

Wow, well damn, that sure is a bit too much to take at once but it somehow makes sense. Suzuha did disappear at the end of the anime/VN and Okabe's Reading Steiner didn't activate which was already odd, but the movie has Okabe disappearing as well so I guess you can make the case that both phenomenons are related. I just shrug it off as plot holes, it didn't bother me though, I still love this anime even with those plot holes but if your theory is correct, then they indeed disappeared because the world is trying to remove the errors from it so they got sent to the "R Worldline".

I guess that to get the whole picture you need to play the other VN's, they are connected one way or another so someone like me who only watched or played the anime/VN of Steins;Gate wouldn't possibly know that extra info.

Thanks mate, as always, your explanations are good so I appreciate it :)

Jan 28, 2023 6:45 PM

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I guess it is.

The message sent by steins gate 0 okabe is a timeline-changing event, which switches SG 0 ending to first season of steins gate ending (let's call it SG 1). Basically, the main event to finding the steins gate (SG 1) is the moment when okabe doesn't want to get in the time machine. It has only one possible route: a SG 1 ending. Okabe from SG 0 made the most genius thing in the whole anime - his message was sent ideally to the only-path event where it will be most predictable. He didn't send the message to himself in university, explaining how the future will go on, because you can't predict what that okabe will do. He made a simple message that will 100% definitly work, and meanwhile, it will make SG 0 ending impossible - any time okabe will step on the SG 0 ending way he will immediately generate the message from the future that will make him go on the SG 1 ending.

Jan 28, 2023 9:27 PM

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SciADV_Maniac said:

xZabuzax said:

Interesting, since you are the most knowledgeable person around here regarding Steins;Gate and the SciADV series, I trust you have good reasons to come to that conclusion.

As much as I love Steins;Gate, I don't know anything about the other SciADV series, I haven't played those VN's nor watched those animes so maybe those other VN's explained with more details about what really happened in Steins;Gate, who knows.

In either case, I will await your explanation mate.

Actually I can write a quick explanation right now, even without the A;C context I don't have currently (though I'm pretty sure based on the synopsis of A;C what is this context I'm missing - but I don't want to read spoilers to confirm that, so I patiently wait for it to release in English)

First, if you are really interested, listen this Drama CD called "A Posteriori Existence", which serves as a side material to the movie (imho, this should have been in the movie in some form...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEo4IsxRZ0k

And here comes my explanation (spoilers from literally everything Steins;Gate related and a bit of Anonymous;Code speculation):

At first, let's take a look at what happened to Suzuha. She disappears along with her time machine and no one (except for Okabe, who has a fully functional Reading Steiner) remembers her. Okabe also states that his Reading Steiner didn't activate - in the sense when the worldline changes and he actually "feels it". So she pretty much disappeared into the thin air. However, her actions in the past the consequences of those actions remained intact. She took Okabe to the past, and they saved Kurisu. This was not changed.

Secondly, let's see what happens to Okabe with the movie. He disappears into the thin air, and no one remembers him. Later of course people (who are having a weak form of Reading Steiner) start to remember him as a "deja vu". However Okabe's actions and their consequences remain intact: Kurisu is still saved, the opened bottle of Dr. Pepper falls to the ground after he disappears, etc... Sound familiar, right? :)

Now, what if I say, that the 2 phenomenon (Suzuha's disappearance, Okabe's disappearance) are not actually plot holes, or rule breaking stuff... but they are actually the exact same phenomenon? :)

The movie features the R "worldline" where Okabe is blasted into after his disappearance. The Drama CD explains it's not an actual worldline simultaneously being active with the Steins Gate worldline. It's a space where the universe throws out the "errors". Basically a trash bin. We know from both Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 that a person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. The time leap machine while theoretically just sends memories into the past, it actually sends someone's consciousness into the past. Amadeus is the perfect copy of the human brain. Okabe's digitized memories are acting as they have conscious while they are just stored on a hard drive between 2011 and 2036. And a bit of Chaos;Head stuff: "humans are acting like electrical devices".

A person and his/her consciousness are defined by his/her memories. Okabe has no memory connecting him to the Steins Gate world line. Suzuha has no memory connecting her to the Steins Gate world line. They have no memories = they don't have conscious = they are errors. The errors have to be erased, so the world just nukes them into the "R worldline" (which is the "Load Region of Deja Vu" - hence the title of the movie. Deja Vu are memories regarding these erased stuff... previous worldlines, people who were erased, etc...).

And here comes the speculated A;C context: Steins;Gate, and the other SciADV VNs are taking place in a simulated world. Which is btw strongly foreshadowed since the beginning of this franchise. Just staying with Steins;Gate, please rewatch the Alpacaman scene from Episode 1, it happens exactly after the opening ;) Also take a look at the lyrics of World Line, the 2nd ending theme of Steins;Gate 0 anime ;)

And if Steins;Gate is truly takes place in a simulated world, it's not really far fetched that the universe has some kind of automatic erase machanism to remove the errors :)

Uhh, maybe this is too much to comprehend at once :))

I told you long ago that Suzuha's disappearance wasn't a plothole! HA! I knew it. I just waited so that you'll figure it out yourself! I'm a genius! Muhahahaha!!!

Jan 28, 2023 9:31 PM

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Hisokalovesgon said:
But the inheritence of memories of others was not mentioned in the anime.And the thing u said about okabe where did you?

It is mentioned in the anime. Ruka, Faris and Mayuri are shown to have "remembered" certain things happening. Mayuri even talks about how she always ends up "getting hurt" in her dreams and Okabe has to come save her. So they all have Reading Steiner, difference with Okabe is that he possesses a more pronounced version of it.

Jan 29, 2023 2:00 AM

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I don't understand how the movie canon works considering the visual novel makes it clear that in the end only one world truly exists. Therefore any worldline existing in parallel shouldn't be possible. The other worldlines are just possibilties, nothing more. They're not parallel worlds.

Jan 29, 2023 3:34 AM

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