| Well, it appears that the original 13 Captains of the Soul Society names (and squads) have been revealed. The ordered sequence that the captains appear in the new ED for episode 7 is pretty much the correct order, except the second and third captains which were switched around, whether on purpose or by accident is unclear. 1: Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto 2: Chika Shihouin 3: Kinroku Izuhara 4: Chikiri Shijima 5: Danjiro Obana 6: Furoufushi Saitou 7: Nobutsuna Shigyou 8: Unsai Katoribatsu 9: Entetsu Kumoi 10: Furuoki Outokawa 11: Yachiru Unohana 12: Jiuhin Zenjou 13: Saizou Sakahone Jaymes Hanson is the source (though obviously he would have gotten it from Japanese sources). Those who don't trust his word on it can doubt this info if they wish to. It's cool to see a Shihouin ancestor confirmed in the list, as that was probably the one most of us were expecting to see. Anybody have any theories about the other captains, now that we have names and squad placements to go along with their appearances? |
anime-primeNov 23, 2022 11:10 PM
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| JUST SO WE ARE ALL CLEAR, I AM NOW GOING TO CLAIM MY MOMMY Unsai Katoribatsu TYVM HAVE A NICE DAY |
| So, where are they now? The ruling theory was until now that they died in the war because Yhwach mentions that the old Yama was willing to sacrifice his allies to win. Now we have a clip that shows they all survived. - They were too strong to be killed. And after the first Quincy war there was peace for a thousand year. - They weren't promoted to Zero Squad. - They couldn't all die of old age, most of them look young. Unohana didn't age a day, and the guy who invented the zanpaktous is still alive and doesn't look old. |
Danimedusaa said: I AM HERE BY CLAIMING CHIKA SHIHOUIN AS MY WAIFU ๐๐พ๐ฎ๐จ thats a dude ๐๐ good husbando tho ๐ |
| @Yaggamy The answer is in Hell Arc One-Shot . Zaraki himself is 11th Kenpachi So for captains before Zaraki you have already answers that there was 10 of them, except for Zaraki, one of them is known, 2 others are revealed in SAFWY and idk if he was said by name but also 10th is mentioned in manga. |
deg said: Hmmm, perhaps the Viz Media video is region blocked in your country? How about this one by Aniplex?video does not work Yaggamy said: So, where are they now? The ruling theory was until now that they died in the war because Yhwach mentions that the old Yama was willing to sacrifice his allies to win. Now we have a clip that shows they all survived. - They were too strong to be killed. And after the first Quincy war there was peace for a thousand year. - They weren't promoted to Zero Squad. - They couldn't all die of old age, most of them look young. Unohana didn't age a day, and the guy who invented the zanpaktous is still alive and doesn't look old. Zettaiken said: While this theory I am about to mention is probably not what happened, it makes a little bit of sense. We know they were all ruthless killers, so what if after Yachiru Unohana retired as Kenpachi, one of those original captains took her place as the Kenpachi? And then over the centuries the other original captains took turns killing the Kenpachi in place and taking over. It's an amusing way for the original captains to be taken out, haha. Fighting over which one was the most ruthless. Of course, we have some names of the previous Kenpachis, though besides for the tenth Kenpachi, the other known names are exclusive to light novels, so their legitimacy might be called into question. Either way, let's say that the 13th original captain died of old age, and take out Yamamoto, Yachiru, and Shihouin, and then there are up to 9 original captain who could have taken the places between the 2nd and 9th Kenpachi. If including the light novels, we also know the names for the 7th, 8th, and 9th Kenpachis, but if taking into consideration that up to 4 or 5 of the original captains might have been somehow related to the royal families, then there can still be a way to adjust the numbers so that enough of the original captains could have killed themselves off over the Kenpachi title. Again, while I doubt this is what happened, it would answer the question and would be pretty amusing. @Yaggamy The answer is in Hell Arc One-Shot . Zaraki himself is 11th Kenpachi So for captains before Zaraki you have already answers that there was 10 of them, except for Zaraki, one of them is known, 2 others are revealed in SAFWY and idk if he was said by name but also 10th is mentioned in manga. |
anime-primeNov 24, 2022 1:18 AM
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anime-prime said: deg said: Hmmm, perhaps the Viz Media video is region blocked in your country? How about this one by Aniplex?video does not work Yaggamy said: So, where are they now? The ruling theory was until now that they died in the war because Yhwach mentions that the old Yama was willing to sacrifice his allies to win. Now we have a clip that shows they all survived. - They were too strong to be killed. And after the first Quincy war there was peace for a thousand year. - They weren't promoted to Zero Squad. - They couldn't all die of old age, most of them look young. Unohana didn't age a day, and the guy who invented the zanpaktous is still alive and doesn't look old. Zettaiken said: While this theory I am about to mention is probably not what happened, it makes a little bit of sense. We know they were all ruthless killers, so what if after Yachiru Unohana retired as Kenpachi, one of those original captains took her place as the Kenpachi? And then over the centuries the other original captains took turns killing the Kenpachi in place and taking over. It's an amusing way for the original captains to be taken out, haha. Fighting over which one was the most ruthless. Of course, we have some names of the previous Kenpachis, though besides for the tenth Kenpachi, the other known names are exclusive to light novels, so their legitimacy might be called into question. Either way, let's say that the 13th original captain died of old age, and take out Yamamoto, Yachiru, and Shihouin, and then there are up to 9 original captain who could have taken the places between the 2nd and 9th Kenpachi. If including the light novels, we also know the names for the 7th, 8th, and 9th Kenpachis, but if take into consideration that up to 4 or 5 of the original captains might have been somehow related to the royal families, then there can still be a way to adjust the numbers so that enough of the original captains could have killed themselves off over the Kenpachi title. Again, while I doubt this is what happened, it would answer the question and would be pretty amusing. @Yaggamy The answer is in Hell Arc One-Shot . Zaraki himself is 11th Kenpachi So for captains before Zaraki you have already answers that there was 10 of them, except for Zaraki, one of them is known, 2 others are revealed in SAFWY and idk if he was said by name but also 10th is mentioned in manga. Actually here is a very interesting point of view for this to appoint. Yachiru as in the manga I suppose she started to struggle with killing after her confrontation with young Zaraki, we can say that already during the fight with Yhwach she was at this struggle cause of her scar existing back than. Also as I like the Reddit comments about that. The fact that Shihoin is the only clan of founding Gotei 13 is actually logical, as 1k years ago we should took a look at them as for Feudal Japan of different era [wasn't studying them so I am not familiar that much with Japan's History] so back than Clans/Powerful Houses would use people beneath them or raise their own armies which most likely happened, so there is a huge possibility that in the founding Gotei 13 we have actual representants of each Noble Houses but they are from minor clans which are some sort of the Vassals of the Higher Hierarchy cause they wouldn't like to put their own pure bloods to death especially in the group known for ruthless killers. So after the time other houses put their own official members, because Gotei 13 was not that prestigious at the beginning most likely. Also there is a possibility that clans were not that positive towards Gotei 13 as Genryuusai form most likely was a new reform to replace the system of retaining multiple armies serving for each clan, maybe even into a clan-wars, which was obviously the replacement for the old system which can't be replaced in a one day. Maybe it would be leading into confrontation between Gotei 13 and some Noble Houses which would also lead into deaths of some Captains -> Leading into changing positions and shuffling members of squads/Noble House heads. According to novels 300 years before Kuruyashiki created the rank system involving seat officers system, so the founding Gotei 13 was just bunch of soldiers/thugs under the command of Captain and maybe right-hands of those Captain who was back than Vice-Captain or later it was tranformed into a title. So most likely from 1000 years ago untill 300 years ago in the span of those 700 years no one else except for Captains had any influence or meaning in the squad, so the position of a Captain most likely was a prestige and way to gain power/fame or maybe even wealth(?) so it would mean that there were clashes/fights between members of squad members or between different squads [Leading into hatred between 11 squad and 4, which we learn in Soul Society Arc] which would also lead into some deaths aswell as for tradition of replacing the Captain if a new member kill the Former Captain in front of 200 witnesses like it happened with Kenpachi Title. Aswell as the first generation maybe didn't even care about that, but the newer ones most likely wanted to proof themselves of become the new Captain which was leading into a challenge/duels/clashes between them. Alongside with that Ichibei was a witness of multiple of such groups maybe Gotei 13 started to exist while another group already existed [Maybe that group had Tenjirou which later got/ in the meantime made him to the point of teaching Unohana Healing Techniques] which after the war with Quincies led into the war between them. Ichibei doesn't care about that, aswell as Clans here and historically too care only about Status, Power, Wealth, Prestige so there is a huge possibility that this Shihoin member is not even the important one, maybe one of the distant/side branch of family tree who had to do something else than listening the "Old Geezers" who were having power over Shihoin Clan lineage. And when Yamamoto brang some peace into Seiretei alongside with creating Academy -> Shunsui and Ukitake being one of the first graduates of that Academy, Clans has noticed that it is a big change, which made a positions of Captain/Vice-Captain more of a symbol than a military power which would lead into more consistence/peacefull way of shuffling between members so the decrease of a huge count of death, but when exactly the academy was formed it is unknown. In 7th episode flashback we can see Yamamoto already being old back there, Unfortunately in ShunsuixUkitake flashback we can't see how old was Yamamoto back than by appearance which would help into putting it in timeline but most likely the og members of Gotei 13 could have already died. Alongside as you have pointed we have no idea how many people have failed the attempt of taking over the Captain level and were at the similar power level as it is only about the successfull attempts of taking over the title which leads into the possibility of Hell Arc into expanding the whole timeline and history of Soul Society into such a big informative details that it is unbelievable how much there can be created and written. We shall wait untill more of TYBW content come out [maybe with some new information extended about it] alongside with Hell Arc which should at least bring some names-numbers of people back than. Very complex stuff and it can bring into multiple theories, but as long as Tite Kubo himself writes it personally we won't know what actually has happened and how it looked like. Let's see in near/far future what the Goat himself has prepared for us. I guess it is soon time to add character entries into Bleach TYBW -> So we will be able to add them into profile favs ๐ |
ZettaikenNov 24, 2022 1:20 AM
| So the guy from 2nd division is indeed from Yoruichi's clan, interesting. Based on character design alone, my fav is probably the 7th division one, Nobutsuna Shigyou, he catched my attention the moment I layed my eyes on that poster. He looks... terrifying. |
| Really want to know how they all died,? they couldn't have died of old age as one of them is still alive and doesn't aged a bit neither was there any major war in the last 1000+ years which could have resulted in most of them being killed. I really wish Kubo came up with bleach manga sequel |
madarchod said: Really want to know how they all died,? they couldn't have died of old age as one of them is still alive and doesn't aged a bit neither was there any major war in the last 1000+ years which could have resulted in most of them being killed. I really wish Kubo came up with bleach manga sequel Zettaiken said: A Soul Society civil war sounds like an interesting concept which I can totally see being an actual event. Either that, or the bloodthirsty captains got bored with peace and stepped down from their positions and left. One other theory I will just put out there is that we still don't know how long Aizen has been a soul reaper and planning his coup.....I will let your imaginations take it from there.Very complex stuff and it can bring into multiple theories, but as long as Tite Kubo himself writes it personally we won't know what actually has happened and how it looked like. Let's see in near/far future what the Goat himself has prepared for us. neffst3r said: Yeah, definitely the guy I would least want to bump into in a dark alley. My favorite character is hard to say since a few of them have their faces obscured in some way. So I guess I will be unoriginal and choose the 6th captain Furoufushi Saitou as my favorite design. Though something about the 4th captain Chikiri Shijima is calling out to me. Perhaps it's just the resemblance to Gin Ichimaru.Based on character design alone, my fav is probably the 7th division one, Nobutsuna Shigyou, he catched my attention the moment I layed my eyes on that poster. He looks... terrifying. |
anime-primeNov 24, 2022 10:36 AM
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anime-prime said: madarchod said: Really want to know how they all died,? they couldn't have died of old age as one of them is still alive and doesn't aged a bit neither was there any major war in the last 1000+ years which could have resulted in most of them being killed. I really wish Kubo came up with bleach manga sequel Zettaiken said: A Soul Society civil war sounds like an interesting concept which I can totally see being an actual event. Either that, or the bloodthirsty captains got bored with peace and stepped down from their positions and left. One other theory I will just put out there is that we still don't know how long Aizen has been a soul reaper and planning his coup.....I will let your imaginations take it from there.Very complex stuff and it can bring into multiple theories, but as long as Tite Kubo himself writes it personally we won't know what actually has happened and how it looked like. Let's see in near/far future what the Goat himself has prepared for us. neffst3r said: Yeah, definitely the guy I would least want to bump into in a dark alley. My favorite character is hard to say since a few of them have their faces obscured in some way. So I guess I will be unoriginal and choose the 6th captain Furoufushi Saitou as my favorite design. Though something about the 4th captain Chikiri Shijima is calling out to me. Perhaps it's just the resemblance to Gin Ichimaru.Based on character design alone, my fav is probably the 7th division one, Nobutsuna Shigyou, he catched my attention the moment I layed my eyes on that poster. He looks... terrifying. Actually for Aizen it would bring into a specific Time line but yeah it is hard to say when exactly he was born. I would say that he is for sure younger than Zaraki and Kyouraku. It seems that Ichimaru has joined the academy near time of Turn back to Pendulum arc which is 110-120 years ago. Aizen here looks literally the same with a different/lower title so we can easily say that he was 110 years old at least and had already vice-captain/captain level -> as he has blocked Tessai's Kidou with a non-chant Denku. I'd risk to say but as because by names it is impossible to tell I'd call that one of the female Og Gotei 13 members could have been wounded/betrayed [well except of Unohana] and got exiled from Seiretei such character trained hardly and roughly her son/grand-son to seek revenge on Soul Society -> That son/grand-son who would have the last name of Father instead of a Mother would be Aizen Sousuke where such training would explain the reason of his unbelievable amount of Reiatsu. But I don't think we can ever get an answer for this as Tite Kubo himself wrote through Klub Outside: Question327: "Was not revealing any info about Aizen's origin and past something intentional? It's rare to have villains with no backgrouns reveals up being so charismatic so I'm curious" Answer: "In most cases, revealing villain's past is done so that the reader can empathize with them and feel sympathy. I'm not a fan of this trope so I don't make use of it. All characters possess different values, but I believe that the harder it is to accept the gap between them, the greater the villain becomes." [A reminder that we know nothing about Aizen's past and origins, we do not know about Ginjo and Tsukishima aswell as we barely know about Yhwach himself, which nonetheless Yhwach has at least some shots from being born and a child while the other 3 has nothing from their pasts, well almost Tsukishima has this single shot of meeting Ginjo as a child/teen. Not only this other characters who had their past revealed like Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, Nnoitra, Harribel, Barragan, Stark would they actually be a real Villains? They were just Soul Society's enemy, they served Aizen but it seems that they haven't done any hurt toward people, without counting they behaviour as a first stage of Hollow before being Menos Grande. Nnoitra has killed some other Hollows but would it make him a Villain to kill already the "Negative Souls"? Well he had some fun with Ichigo but would it be because he is a Villain, or because his home was invaded, as he didn't off killed Sado when he could, he just likes to fight strong people like Zaraki and let's not forget that Zaraki also has killed alot of Shinigami/Souls to become stronger so they are literally similar but form 2 different dimensions. While other characters who hasn't their past revealed such as Aaroniero, Aporro, Yammy, Zommari they would be counted as Villain's, not only they served Aizen but also had joy and fun while harming/killing people or going beyond that, Aporro could already killed Renji and Ishida but decided to have fun of torturing them, Yammy for no reason absorbed hundreds of human souls, Zommari wanted to execute Rukia who was already in lethal/death state and used her aswell as for harmless healer Hanatarou against Byakuya, Aaroniero had fun of acting like Kaien and using the Metaraxia data against Rukia and was toying with her emotions. It would all lead into that rule] So there is a possibility for Aizen to be actually way older and gaining more power, but it would also mean that his Hollowfication experiments would have been made earlier. So he had to made other type of experiments to gain more power or to break the wall which someone will always reach during their training of gaining more power and reiatsu, unless he was kept in basement/hidden/hideout for a very long time to simply being put in a harsh training which also could have happen, while he was training for hundreds of years to become so powerful and inflirtrate Gotei 13. Like it was with Gremmy who Idk how long he was kept in tower but he was so it isn't impossible for such idea to happen again for someone else, especially that Aizen seems to not be phased by the fact of being in the Muken for a very long time, other people might have been worried or slightly sad for being put in an endless underground dark prison, while he does not even care about it, which might lead into the fact that he might have experienced something similar of being imprisoned/kept sealed before. |
ZettaikenNov 24, 2022 11:14 AM
can somewone Tell me why katsura os in Bleach??๐๐ |
Hmm.........  |
| My guess is that they were simply killed and are now in hell alongside Yamamoto, Unohana and Ukitake. My theory is that we are kinda misinterpreting what Kubo wants to say about the first iteration of the Gotei 13 to be the strongest there's ever been. I think he wasn't talking about them being literally the strongest captains soul society has ever had. After all, that would contradict Aizen certain lore aspects, like Aizen's position as captain as well as Unohana losing to Zaraki, despite her being a first generation captain. I think he meant these captains being the strongest as in them being the collectively most ruthless, brutal and unapologetic iteration there's ever been. Where modern captains like Ukitake and Byakuya follow either some honor code or strict adherence to the rules/established order, the first generation captains would go straight for the kill and employ every dirty trick at their disposal to get the job done. Where modern captains like Kyoraku or Shinji, who have broken Bankai they are not willing to use around allies because their abilities affect everyone around them regardless of allegiance, the first generation captains probably had similarly poweful Bankai, but they'd use them without hesitation around allies, not even because they'd trust them to survive the effects but simply because they were unconcerned of their safety. The first generation Gotei 13 most likely completely destroyed the Quincies by NOT even letting them get to a power level that could seriously threaten them too much. Such captains wouldn't need to be stronger than the current generation ones to be considered more dangerous, so that would make it plausible for them to have been eventually killed in some other conflict, despite their reputation as the strongest generation. They were simply more dangerous, but not really individually stronger. If you've watched all of Dragonball. You could compare it to a Super Buu vs Kid Buu situation. The former is clearly stronger than the latter at all points, no question about it. But the latter is the most dangerous foe, because it is completely unhinged and can't be reasoned with, manipulated, or swayed with anything. |
Menternor said: That may be true, however using Aizen and Zaraki as examples is a little unfair due to how exceptionally powerful they are compared to other soul reapers and prove more as being the exception to the rule rather than be included into it. However, I agree that the first group was definitely more brutal, and thus more effective, even if they perhaps weren't necessarily stronger individually than the current batch of captains. That being said, if I had to put money down on the original captains vs the current captains, taking out Yamamoto, Unohana, and Zaraki + the next strongest original captain, then I would still bet on the 10 remaining original captains winning vs the 10 remaining current captains in a non-lethal dueling scenario where brutality wouldn't be as much of a factor. Perhaps Kyoraku and Mayuri might be able to pull out a couple of wins, but I wouldn't put any money down on any of the other current captains winning. Of course, considering we don't really know anything about the original captains, it's all just speculation. Perhaps the current captains can one shot them no problem, haha. My theory is that we are kinda misinterpreting what Kubo wants to say about the first iteration of the Gotei 13 to be the strongest there's ever been. I think he wasn't talking about them being literally the strongest captains soul society has ever had. After all, that would contradict Aizen certain lore aspects, like Aizen's position as captain as well as Unohana losing to Zaraki, despite her being a first generation captain. |
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