Is Attack on Titan the best anime about freedom?

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About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

Aug 6, 2022 8:37 AM

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read vinland saga

Aug 6, 2022 8:38 AM

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ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

oh yea one piece I forgot some arcs are like that

Aug 6, 2022 8:43 AM

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Depends on what type of freedom we are talking about, is it a physical freedom from something? A mental or emotional bond that needs to be freed? There could be many shows that can have separate types of freedom. In a way, stories like Serial Experiments Lain, Ergo Proxy, Danganronpa are also about freedom in some form or other.

Aug 6, 2022 8:44 AM

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ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

Aug 6, 2022 8:46 AM

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well, I would say Shrek, the 3 movies speak about freedom, mostly emotional freedom, that if we only consider Shrek's freedom, other characters like Fiona and the purple dragon have physical/emotional freedom

Aug 6, 2022 8:50 AM

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DerpySven said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

Isn't that what Eren tried to do as well?

Aug 6, 2022 8:50 AM

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Hmm, probably Vinland Saga for me. Depends how broad is your idea of "freedom".

Aug 6, 2022 8:52 AM

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LTS979 said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

oh yea one piece I forgot some arcs are like that

The whole show is about that:
"I Don’t Wanna Conquer Anything. It's Just That The Person With The Most Freedom On The Sea is The Pirate King."
/Luffy/

DerpySven said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

He wants to free everyone from the hatred, the war. And let them be free and happy, so they can decide their own future.

The SnK is actually the worst example out of the 3, because it's more like about revenge than freedom. The series shows what's the problem when someone misinterpret freedom.

Aug 6, 2022 8:53 AM

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86 is about freedom in a sense if you think so.

Aug 6, 2022 8:57 AM

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At this point Aot is best anime about titans attacking the walls

Aug 6, 2022 8:58 AM

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AoT was the illusion of freedom
One piece does it better

Aug 6, 2022 9:03 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:
AoT was the illusion of freedom
One piece does it better

How one piece does it better?

Aug 6, 2022 9:07 AM

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TheMansWorld said:

DiomarBrasindo said:
AoT was the illusion of freedom
One piece does it better

How one piece does it better?

Doflamingo’s story with the celestial dragons itself is better freedom representation.

Aug 6, 2022 9:11 AM

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Read 86...struggle of the Eighty-six's,Lena's iron will and ideology, racial discrimination and supremacists,you'll find everything about freedom there

Aug 6, 2022 9:14 AM

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Oh, I noticed the Edit part.
Dude, the thing is that One Piece is better than SnK, because SnK got ruined with the plotholes in the latest season.
So, if One Piece is mid, then SnK is below mid.

Aug 6, 2022 9:16 AM

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Vinland Saga manga slaps

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Aug 6, 2022 9:19 AM

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ktg said:
Oh, I noticed the Edit part.
Dude, the thing is that One Piece is better than SnK, because SnK got ruined with the plotholes in the latest season.
So, if One Piece is mid, then SnK is below mid.

I get it bro. But ,what i mean is protagonist struggling for freedom. Thorfinn from Vinland Saga is also good example.

Aug 6, 2022 9:19 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

TheMansWorld said:

How one piece does it better?

Doflamingo’s story with the celestial dragons itself is better freedom representation.

You didn't explain anything, try again.

Aug 6, 2022 9:20 AM

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I can't think of any other off the top of my head, so yeah it is.

Aug 6, 2022 9:21 AM

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TheMansWorld said:

DiomarBrasindo said:

Doflamingo’s story with the celestial dragons itself is better freedom representation.

You didn't explain anything, try again.

There is nothing to explain
Everyone who’s actually watched both would understand
It’s like telling someone to explain how Goku is stronger than Naruto

Aug 6, 2022 9:22 AM

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I know there are too many animes about freedom but I think in the way freedom aot is the best
(my opinion)

Aug 6, 2022 9:24 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

TheMansWorld said:

You didn't explain anything, try again.

There is nothing to explain
Everyone who’s actually watched both would understand
It’s like telling someone to explain how Goku is stronger than Naruto

Failed again, try again later.

Aug 6, 2022 9:25 AM

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TheMansWorld said:

DiomarBrasindo said:

There is nothing to explain
Everyone who’s actually watched both would understand
It’s like telling someone to explain how Goku is stronger than Naruto

Failed again, try again later.

Cope about it then

Aug 6, 2022 9:26 AM

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Vinland Saga is the best in my opinion, Thorfinn’s journey to free himself from the shackles of his revenge that he failed to perform, and all the death he’s caused. He attempts to find self worth, and meaning in the life he feels he doesn’t deserve, while trying to make the lives he stole mean something as well. He’s also attempting to free his people from the culture of war they so heavily believe in, trying to find a place of peace and freedom for his family. Truly peak fiction and the best character arc I’ve read or seen personally.

Aug 6, 2022 9:27 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

TheMansWorld said:

Failed again, try again later.

Cope about it then

Failed again. Try again later.

Aug 6, 2022 9:27 AM

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TheMansWorld said:

ktg said:
Oh, I noticed the Edit part.
Dude, the thing is that One Piece is better than SnK, because SnK got ruined with the plotholes in the latest season.
So, if One Piece is mid, then SnK is below mid.

I get it bro. But ,what i mean is protagonist struggling for freedom. Thorfinn from Vinland Saga is also good example.

Which makes One Piece a perfect example in a world where the world government destroyed a whole island only because its knowledge.
Every strawhats had their problems that took away their freedom.
Even the first bigger arc is about Nami's freedom.

Aug 6, 2022 9:27 AM

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TheMansWorld said:

DiomarBrasindo said:

Cope about it then

Failed again. Try again later.

Concession accepted

Aug 6, 2022 9:28 AM

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no lol one piece, code geasse, vin land saga all better

Aug 6, 2022 9:28 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

TheMansWorld said:

Failed again. Try again later.

Concession accepted

Failed again. Try again later.

Aug 6, 2022 9:29 AM

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DerpySven said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

That’s because he believed the current order of the world was too corrupt and could not be fixed through traditional methods. He had good intentions in the end, especially if u stuck around till the conclusion of S2.

Aug 6, 2022 9:29 AM

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Cross_2D said:
no lol one piece, code geasse, vin land saga all better

Read the complete thread again pls.

Aug 6, 2022 9:31 AM

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Like other users have said, depends on what you mean by freedom. The ideology of freedom of something else or others, or the freedom of yourself.

Any death game would show more freedom in the idea of being free from others.

Freedom (or self-discovery) of self would be characters/anime like in Violet Evergarden or even Re:Zero where the MC’s break free from the negative aspects that they feel like they can’t control to being able to freely choose to continue living better than they used to.

AoT’s thing is “freedom” of enemies, but I feel like many shounen or action anime do the same thing, they just don’t shout freedom every episode like AoT does.

The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10

Aug 6, 2022 9:34 AM

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Freedom is a really broad theme, so it's hard to tell.

If you think about it, Gurren Lagann is also about freedom and it also very similar to AOT: Humanity is forced to live closed off from the outside world because of monsters that live outside and eventually they find out that there's a bigger enemy that still opresses them that they need to defeat to earn their complete freedom.

If it counts, this is my answer. If not, then Vinland Saga is the best.

Aug 6, 2022 9:36 AM

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ktg said:

LTS979 said:

oh yea one piece I forgot some arcs are like that

The whole show is about that:
"I Don’t Wanna Conquer Anything. It's Just That The Person With The Most Freedom On The Sea is The Pirate King."
/Luffy/

DerpySven said:

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

He wants to free everyone from the hatred, the war. And let them be free and happy, so they can decide their own future.

The SnK is actually the worst example out of the 3, because it's more like about revenge than freedom. The series shows what's the problem when someone misinterpret freedom.

same goes to one piece it is more of a fun, adventure then freedom.
One piece, the characters has the ideology of freedom but he never tries to accomplish it, FREEDOM how many times this word was even said in One Piece?
ONE PIECE IS MORE OF AN ANIME THAT REPRESENTS FRIENDSHIP and LOYALTY.

One piece is a good show but it is the worst example for FREEDOM because it never focuses on freedom it always focuses on its adventure.

Eren put his ideology of freedom (which he had for 3 seasons) on grisha yeager and all the previous attack titan so that he could manipulate 2000 years of history.
As for AOT the freedom plays important role in the show, Erens ideology of freedom was the reason that this story came up to rumbling.
after season 3
It is not a revenge story anymore, it is a survival story now.
If you want to survive you have to fight and if you don't fight you will die.
if eldians will not fight back then they will be killed by marleys and rest of the world.

Eren is not taking revenge, he just want his people and his friends to live freely and peacefully.
And for him rumbling is the best option.
if people outside paradis will never exist they there will be no threat to paradis.
You will find out what eren really wants in s4 pt3.

BUT FOR ME THE BEST ANIME THAT REPRESENT FREEDOM (from the animes/mangas that i have watched/read)
is VINLAND SAGA.

Aug 6, 2022 9:44 AM

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code Geass is better, aot was shit

Aug 6, 2022 9:46 AM

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Sujal234 said:

ktg said:

The whole show is about that:
"I Don’t Wanna Conquer Anything. It's Just That The Person With The Most Freedom On The Sea is The Pirate King."
/Luffy/

He wants to free everyone from the hatred, the war. And let them be free and happy, so they can decide their own future.

The SnK is actually the worst example out of the 3, because it's more like about revenge than freedom. The series shows what's the problem when someone misinterpret freedom.

same goes to one piece it is more of a fun, adventure then freedom.
One piece, the characters has the ideology of freedom but he never tries to accomplish it, FREEDOM how many times this word was even said in One Piece?
ONE PIECE IS MORE OF AN ANIME THAT REPRESENTS FRIENDSHIP and LOYALTY.

One piece is a good show but it is the worst example for FREEDOM because it never focuses on freedom it always focuses on its adventure.

Eren put his ideology of freedom (which he had for 3 seasons) on grisha yeager and all the previous attack titan so that he could manipulate 2000 years of history.
As for AOT the freedom plays important role in the show, Erens ideology of freedom was the reason that this story came up to rumbling.
after season 3
It is not a revenge story anymore, it is a survival story now.
If you want to survive you have to fight and if you don't fight you will die.
if eldians will not fight back then they will be killed by marleys and rest of the world.

Eren is not taking revenge, he just want his people and his friends to live freely and peacefully.
And for him rumbling is the best option.
if people outside paradis will never exist they there will be no threat to paradis.
You will find out what eren really wants in s4 pt3.

BUT FOR ME THE BEST ANIME THAT REPRESENT FREEDOM (from the animes/mangas that i have watched/read)
is VINLAND SAGA.

You are a bit off.
The adventure in One Piece means you can do what you want which is equal the definiton of freedom.
And the 'you can do what you want' concept is always in One Piece, almost in every episodes.

While the problem in SnK is that the freedom is only rationalization. Eren wants revenge and he misinterprets as freedom. Which comes up in the show, but the characters never tried to refute as an ideology.
That's why we can't really talk about freedom there. As a misinterpretation yes, but nothing more, because even the alliance didn't understand the problem.

Aug 6, 2022 9:46 AM

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Tacoman288 said:
code Geass is better, aot was shit

How Code Geass is better?

Aug 6, 2022 9:58 AM

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ktg said:

Sujal234 said:

same goes to one piece it is more of a fun, adventure then freedom.
One piece, the characters has the ideology of freedom but he never tries to accomplish it, FREEDOM how many times this word was even said in One Piece?
ONE PIECE IS MORE OF AN ANIME THAT REPRESENTS FRIENDSHIP and LOYALTY.

One piece is a good show but it is the worst example for FREEDOM because it never focuses on freedom it always focuses on its adventure.

Eren put his ideology of freedom (which he had for 3 seasons) on grisha yeager and all the previous attack titan so that he could manipulate 2000 years of history.
As for AOT the freedom plays important role in the show, Erens ideology of freedom was the reason that this story came up to rumbling.
after season 3
It is not a revenge story anymore, it is a survival story now.
If you want to survive you have to fight and if you don't fight you will die.
if eldians will not fight back then they will be killed by marleys and rest of the world.

Eren is not taking revenge, he just want his people and his friends to live freely and peacefully.
And for him rumbling is the best option.
if people outside paradis will never exist they there will be no threat to paradis.
You will find out what eren really wants in s4 pt3.

BUT FOR ME THE BEST ANIME THAT REPRESENT FREEDOM (from the animes/mangas that i have watched/read)
is VINLAND SAGA.

You are a bit off.
The adventure in One Piece means you can do what you want which is equal the definiton of freedom.
And the 'you can do what you want' concept is always in One Piece, almost in every episodes.

While the problem in SnK is that the freedom is only rationalization. Eren wants revenge and he misinterprets as freedom. Which comes up in the show, but the characters never tried to refute as an ideology.
That's why we can't really talk about freedom there. As a misinterpretation yes, but nothing more, because even the alliance didn't understand the problem.

I kinda agree with you.
But freedom in one piece is totally different from freedom in aot.
Freedom in one piece is real and simple that you can do anything you want.

Freedom in AOT IS ILLUSION, IT IS NOT TRUE/real.
That dialogue kenny said in s3 "everyone is a slave of something/someone"
You can't achieve freedom in aot.
Eren was trying to achieve something that is literally impossible in AOT.
In Aot no one is free
For example =
Eren isn't free, he is the slave of Attack titans powers or his future self.
He can't do whatever he wants , he is doing what the attack titan is showing him, means his future
That says eren is not free he is the slave of attack titans power.

Another example from one piece=

After becoming king of pirates luffy becomes free but if he exist in aot world then luffy isn't free even though is achieved pirate King title.

Can luffy be able to swim after achieving pirate King title or freedom?
No, that means luffy isn't free he is slave of the sea.

This is how freedom actually means in aot world.

That's why I like how AOT represent that freedom for 3 seasons but in last season, they just tell you the harsh reality/truth that no one in this world is free.

Aug 6, 2022 10:01 AM

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Why ask a question of the only “acceptable” answer is “yes”? Just say you like the show and fuck off.

Aug 6, 2022 10:14 AM

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Sujal234 said:

ktg said:

Sujal234 said:

ktg said:

LTS979 said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

oh yea one piece I forgot some arcs are like that

The whole show is about that:
"I Don’t Wanna Conquer Anything. It's Just That The Person With The Most Freedom On The Sea is The Pirate King."
/Luffy/

DerpySven said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

He wants to free everyone from the hatred, the war. And let them be free and happy, so they can decide their own future.

The SnK is actually the worst example out of the 3, because it's more like about revenge than freedom. The series shows what's the problem when someone misinterpret freedom.

same goes to one piece it is more of a fun, adventure then freedom.
One piece, the characters has the ideology of freedom but he never tries to accomplish it, FREEDOM how many times this word was even said in One Piece?
ONE PIECE IS MORE OF AN ANIME THAT REPRESENTS FRIENDSHIP and LOYALTY.

One piece is a good show but it is the worst example for FREEDOM because it never focuses on freedom it always focuses on its adventure.

Eren put his ideology of freedom (which he had for 3 seasons) on grisha yeager and all the previous attack titan so that he could manipulate 2000 years of history.
As for AOT the freedom plays important role in the show, Erens ideology of freedom was the reason that this story came up to rumbling.
after season 3
It is not a revenge story anymore, it is a survival story now.
If you want to survive you have to fight and if you don't fight you will die.
if eldians will not fight back then they will be killed by marleys and rest of the world.

Eren is not taking revenge, he just want his people and his friends to live freely and peacefully.
And for him rumbling is the best option.
if people outside paradis will never exist they there will be no threat to paradis.
You will find out what eren really wants in s4 pt3.

BUT FOR ME THE BEST ANIME THAT REPRESENT FREEDOM (from the animes/mangas that i have watched/read)
is VINLAND SAGA.

You are a bit off.
The adventure in One Piece means you can do what you want which is equal the definiton of freedom.
And the 'you can do what you want' concept is always in One Piece, almost in every episodes.

While the problem in SnK is that the freedom is only rationalization. Eren wants revenge and he misinterprets as freedom. Which comes up in the show, but the characters never tried to refute as an ideology.
That's why we can't really talk about freedom there. As a misinterpretation yes, but nothing more, because even the alliance didn't understand the problem.

I kinda agree with you.
But freedom in one piece is totally different from freedom in aot.
Freedom in one piece is real and simple that you can do anything you want.

Freedom in AOT IS ILLUSION, IT IS NOT TRUE/real.
That dialogue kenny said in s3 "everyone is a slave of something/someone"
You can't achieve freedom in aot.
Eren was trying to achieve something that is literally impossible in AOT.
In Aot no one is free
For example =
Eren isn't free, he is the slave of Attack titans powers or his future self.
He can't do whatever he wants , he is doing what the attack titan is showing him, means his future
That says eren is not free he is the slave of attack titans power.

Another example from one piece=

After becoming king of pirates luffy becomes free but if he exist in aot world then luffy isn't free even though is achieved pirate King title.

Can luffy be able to swim after achieving pirate King title or freedom?
No, that means luffy isn't free he is slave of the sea.

This is how freedom actually means in aot world.

That's why I like how AOT represent that freedom for 3 seasons but in last season, they just tell you the harsh reality/truth that no one in this world is free.

I wouldn't say that.
If we say everyone is a slave of his own dream, because that's what Kenny meant, then we'll talk about the misinterpretation of dream.
It is a dream because you want to achiece it and not the dream makes you do stuff.

That's what's going on in SnK. Many good things or concepts are purposely misinterpreted.

As for the Attack Titan power, it just means you decide based on your own situation. For example, if you want to buy a new mobile, but have no money, then you won't buy it, if you have money, you'll buy it.
It doesn't really make you a slave.

Aug 6, 2022 10:21 AM

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ktg said:

Sujal234 said:

ktg said:

Sujal234 said:

ktg said:

LTS979 said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

oh yea one piece I forgot some arcs are like that

The whole show is about that:
"I Don’t Wanna Conquer Anything. It's Just That The Person With The Most Freedom On The Sea is The Pirate King."
/Luffy/

DerpySven said:

ktg said:
About freedom? One Piece, Code Geass.

code geass? he Just want to destory the world and create a new one

He wants to free everyone from the hatred, the war. And let them be free and happy, so they can decide their own future.

The SnK is actually the worst example out of the 3, because it's more like about revenge than freedom. The series shows what's the problem when someone misinterpret freedom.

same goes to one piece it is more of a fun, adventure then freedom.
One piece, the characters has the ideology of freedom but he never tries to accomplish it, FREEDOM how many times this word was even said in One Piece?
ONE PIECE IS MORE OF AN ANIME THAT REPRESENTS FRIENDSHIP and LOYALTY.

One piece is a good show but it is the worst example for FREEDOM because it never focuses on freedom it always focuses on its adventure.

Eren put his ideology of freedom (which he had for 3 seasons) on grisha yeager and all the previous attack titan so that he could manipulate 2000 years of history.
As for AOT the freedom plays important role in the show, Erens ideology of freedom was the reason that this story came up to rumbling.
after season 3
It is not a revenge story anymore, it is a survival story now.
If you want to survive you have to fight and if you don't fight you will die.
if eldians will not fight back then they will be killed by marleys and rest of the world.

Eren is not taking revenge, he just want his people and his friends to live freely and peacefully.
And for him rumbling is the best option.
if people outside paradis will never exist they there will be no threat to paradis.
You will find out what eren really wants in s4 pt3.

BUT FOR ME THE BEST ANIME THAT REPRESENT FREEDOM (from the animes/mangas that i have watched/read)
is VINLAND SAGA.

You are a bit off.
The adventure in One Piece means you can do what you want which is equal the definiton of freedom.
And the 'you can do what you want' concept is always in One Piece, almost in every episodes.

While the problem in SnK is that the freedom is only rationalization. Eren wants revenge and he misinterprets as freedom. Which comes up in the show, but the characters never tried to refute as an ideology.
That's why we can't really talk about freedom there. As a misinterpretation yes, but nothing more, because even the alliance didn't understand the problem.

I kinda agree with you.
But freedom in one piece is totally different from freedom in aot.
Freedom in one piece is real and simple that you can do anything you want.

Freedom in AOT IS ILLUSION, IT IS NOT TRUE/real.
That dialogue kenny said in s3 "everyone is a slave of something/someone"
You can't achieve freedom in aot.
Eren was trying to achieve something that is literally impossible in AOT.
In Aot no one is free
For example =
Eren isn't free, he is the slave of Attack titans powers or his future self.
He can't do whatever he wants , he is doing what the attack titan is showing him, means his future
That says eren is not free he is the slave of attack titans power.

Another example from one piece=

After becoming king of pirates luffy becomes free but if he exist in aot world then luffy isn't free even though is achieved pirate King title.

Can luffy be able to swim after achieving pirate King title or freedom?
No, that means luffy isn't free he is slave of the sea.

This is how freedom actually means in aot world.

That's why I like how AOT represent that freedom for 3 seasons but in last season, they just tell you the harsh reality/truth that no one in this world is free.

I wouldn't say that.
If we say everyone is a slave of his own dream, because that's what Kenny meant, then we'll talk about the misinterpretation of dream.
It is a dream because you want to achiece it and not the dream makes you do stuff.

That's what's going on in SnK. Many good things or concepts are purposely misinterpreted.

As for the Attack Titan power, it just means you decide based on your own situation. For example, if you want to buy a new mobile, but have no money, then you won't buy it, if you have money, you'll buy it.
It doesn't really make you a slave.

if you don't have money you don't buy a mobile that you wanted/needed then how does that make that you can do whatever you want?
You can't do whatever you want because you are slave of something.
You can't buy a mobile THAT YOU WANT/NEED because you are slave of the money.

That is how I thought all around AOT.
Maybe I am wrong.
Maybe you didn't thought the same way how I thought.
But I still respect your opinion man.

Anyways this whole freedom thing is bullshit
Lets just respect each others opinions and KEEP MOVING FORWARD🤣

Aug 6, 2022 10:26 AM

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code geass. i don't know much english language, so I'll be short: england starts to colonize japan, and japanese ppl wants freedom. also the prince of england will fight with the japan, using the power he will gain. also, AoT was inspired from this anime. you can notice that at the end end of the anime, the ending are pretty similar

Aug 6, 2022 10:29 AM

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