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Jul 22, 2022 4:49 PM
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First. Warning. Big (MASSIVE) spoilers below. If you haven't read the manga until chapter 133, stop right now and read no further.

So… I've spent the last couple of evenings reading manga and one thing puzzles me. Could it be that Kou, is another naturally born half vampire, same as Nazuna?

Let's think. His half vampire state surprise to other vampires. At first I thought it might be the result of his relationship with natural half Nazuna. As explained by Anko (Miss detective, if anyone forgot) in Chapter 96, the mixture of strong emotions worked in such a way that Kou tricked his brain and made a temporary transformation. Later, the theory was supplemented with the fact that transformation also occurs due to physical pain and bleeding. But is it possible to turn into a vampire and then return to the human state? (another Araragi?). Moreover, during the transformation, Kou is able to fight even a strong vampire. I'm talking about the encounter with Susuki in chapter 119. He even can destroy the entire building, the other vampires were very surprised, so I can assume that this is not the norm. Not to mention the quick attachment of the severed arm.

This may reminds a bit of situations of vampires who, under special circumstances, went berserk. I'm talking about the vampire who attacked Akira in chapter 38 (he was starving) and the Miss detective's father in chapter 81 (he unknowingly touched an object that was extremely important to him before the transformation, which as we know weakens vampires, but can also kill them). Kou also during the transformation almost completely changes his personality. Like it happened during fight with Mahiru in chapter 103. Yeah, all this should be explained by the fact that the Nazuna regularly feeds on the Kou and she is natural half. But what if, all of this is another Kotoyama bait?

Remember origin story of Nazuna? How we were bait in chapters 59-60 that, it was none other than Nazuna who could be turned into a vampire by Kabura and vice versa. That's how it was presented, but in the end, the Kabura told her story. So from chapters 63-64 we know that Kabura was turned into a vampire by Nanakusa Haru, who was a vampire and that Nazuna was the daughter of Haru and an ordinary human. So a naturally born half vampire. Someone will say yes. So what? Here I will go back to chapter 57 when Nazuna told Kou about her oldest memory, when she woke up in her room. We know that this is also the moment when she first met Kabura, who took care of her after the death of her mother and father. Nazuna looked exactly the same as she is now, but she had no memories or knowledge, she couldn't even speak. She was basically like a newborn baby. So could it be like this? Nazuna was born, for some time (maybe 14-16 years, physically she is not that much different from Kou) she lived as a human, but then she turned into a vampire and lost her memories as a result. As the vampires explained before, transformation is like being born again. Human dies and vampire is born. Because of this, they lose memories of their human lives over time. Perhaps in the case of a naturally born half vampire this process is more extreme or rather faster. That would explain a lot of things. For example, how Kiku obtained the item that weakened Nazuna in chapter 126. In theory, this shouldn't exist because Nazuna was never human, or was she? Kou also loses memories as a result of his partial transformation. Perhaps the transformation of Nazuna was also similar? And finally her human part died completely and only a vampire remained.

Another thing that puzzled me was Kou's behavior during the transformation control training in chapters 107-108. During the fight, he repeated that he must be a good boy, that he must go to school. Isn't that weird? Maybe somewhere inside he remembered a time when he was trying to be a "good boy" or "good student". But maybe this thought was suggested to him by someone. Maybe by father who was a vampire? Maybe something similar has already happened in the past but Kou doesn't remember it?
In Chapter 130, we learned that Kou's mother is raising him alone, she works at night herself (as hostess in the club, I understand) and she divorced her husband because he was supposed to cheat on her. Isn't this job is just too good setting to meet a vampire? But as we know from the example of Nazuna mother, a vampire can also fall in love with ordinary human and have children. However, if what Susuki said in chapter 121 is true, if a vampire falls in love with human and drinks blood, human will die. What could such a potential vampire do? He didn't want to risk the death of his beloved, so he fed on others, which his unaware wife could consider as a cheating. Or that's just fake cover up presented to Kou. In fact, his father might have removed himself on purpose to protect his wife and son, and since he didn't know all the details, he assumed that Kou was not a vampire and wanted him to live a peaceful life.

So what do you think? Kou is another natural born half vampire? Maybe that also explains the fact that his blood is supposed to be so super tasty.
Or maybe I'm just another dude who got too excited and now thinks too much.

Jul 22, 2022 10:17 PM
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Saygram said:
First. Warning. Big (MASSIVE) spoilers below. If you haven't read the manga until chapter 133, stop right now and read no further.

So… I've spent the last couple of evenings reading manga and one thing puzzles me. Could it be that Kou, is another naturally born half vampire, same as Nazuna?

Let's think. His half vampire state surprise to other vampires. At first I thought it might be the result of his relationship with natural half Nazuna. As explained by Anko (Miss detective, if anyone forgot) in Chapter 96, the mixture of strong emotions worked in such a way that Kou tricked his brain and made a temporary transformation. Later, the theory was supplemented with the fact that transformation also occurs due to physical pain and bleeding. But is it possible to turn into a vampire and then return to the human state? (another Araragi?). Moreover, during the transformation, Kou is able to fight even a strong vampire. I'm talking about the encounter with Susuki in chapter 119. He even can destroy the entire building, the other vampires were very surprised, so I can assume that this is not the norm. Not to mention the quick attachment of the severed arm.

This may reminds a bit of situations of vampires who, under special circumstances, went berserk. I'm talking about the vampire who attacked Akira in chapter 38 (he was starving) and the Miss detective's father in chapter 81 (he unknowingly touched an object that was extremely important to him before the transformation, which as we know weakens vampires, but can also kill them). Kou also during the transformation almost completely changes his personality. Like it happened during fight with Mahiru in chapter 103. Yeah, all this should be explained by the fact that the Nazuna regularly feeds on the Kou and she is natural half. But what if, all of this is another Kotoyama bait?

Remember origin story of Nazuna? How we were bait in chapters 59-60 that, it was none other than Nazuna who could be turned into a vampire by Kabura and vice versa. That's how it was presented, but in the end, the Kabura told her story. So from chapters 63-64 we know that Kabura was turned into a vampire by Nanakusa Haru, who was a vampire and that Nazuna was the daughter of Haru and an ordinary human. So a naturally born half vampire. Someone will say yes. So what? Here I will go back to chapter 57 when Nazuna told Kou about her oldest memory, when she woke up in her room. We know that this is also the moment when she first met Kabura, who took care of her after the death of her mother and father. Nazuna looked exactly the same as she is now, but she had no memories or knowledge, she couldn't even speak. She was basically like a newborn baby. So could it be like this? Nazuna was born, for some time (maybe 14-16 years, physically she is not that much different from Kou) she lived as a human, but then she turned into a vampire and lost her memories as a result. As the vampires explained before, transformation is like being born again. Human dies and vampire is born. Because of this, they lose memories of their human lives over time. Perhaps in the case of a naturally born half vampire this process is more extreme or rather faster. That would explain a lot of things. For example, how Kiku obtained the item that weakened Nazuna in chapter 126. In theory, this shouldn't exist because Nazuna was never human, or was she? Kou also loses memories as a result of his partial transformation. Perhaps the transformation of Nazuna was also similar? And finally her human part died completely and only a vampire remained.

Another thing that puzzled me was Kou's behavior during the transformation control training in chapters 107-108. During the fight, he repeated that he must be a good boy, that he must go to school. Isn't that weird? Maybe somewhere inside he remembered a time when he was trying to be a "good boy" or "good student". But maybe this thought was suggested to him by someone. Maybe by father who was a vampire? Maybe something similar has already happened in the past but Kou doesn't remember it?
In Chapter 130, we learned that Kou's mother is raising him alone, she works at night herself (as hostess in the club, I understand) and she divorced her husband because he was supposed to cheat on her. Isn't this job is just too good setting to meet a vampire? But as we know from the example of Nazuna mother, a vampire can also fall in love with ordinary human and have children. However, if what Susuki said in chapter 121 is true, if a vampire falls in love with human and drinks blood, human will die. What could such a potential vampire do? He didn't want to risk the death of his beloved, so he fed on others, which his unaware wife could consider as a cheating. Or that's just fake cover up presented to Kou. In fact, his father might have removed himself on purpose to protect his wife and son, and since he didn't know all the details, he assumed that Kou was not a vampire and wanted him to live a peaceful life.

So what do you think? Kou is another natural born half vampire? Maybe that also explains the fact that his blood is supposed to be so super tasty.
Or maybe I'm just another dude who got too excited and now thinks too much.

for me, I don't think that's the case. Before the anime was aired, i was confused about how the heck kou could gain a vampiric power without any of those conditions. after watching episode 2 of the anime it all makes sense. When nazuna sucks kou's blood in the school rooftop, there's a scene where a blood with a white (or black) background following a bell noise (idk how to describe it). it's a sign that kou or nazuna fall in love that a little vampire blood slips in kou's body.
Jul 22, 2022 11:51 PM
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wisnuyoga78 said:

for me, I don't think that's the case. Before the anime was aired, i was confused about how the heck kou could gain a vampiric power without any of those conditions. after watching episode 2 of the anime it all makes sense. When nazuna sucks kou's blood in the school rooftop, there's a scene where a blood with a white (or black) background following a bell noise (idk how to describe it). it's a sign that kou or nazuna fall in love that a little vampire blood slips in kou's body.


I can understand Kou, he didn't really understand romance/love himself so he might not know. But Nazuna in this case has some experience because she tried to turn Anko into a vampire before. And then Nazuna should probably also notice that something changed when she later fed on him. Ahhh and there is also the situation in Chapter 9 where Nazuna explains that Kou doesn't feel love but lust.

Still. He transform into a vampire and then return to human state. You also say that during the feeding and some of Nazuna's blood got into Kou body. Hmmm... It would be a very classic take on the subject, but no other vampire has mentioned this possibility. Maybe nobody knows?

Jul 23, 2022 4:44 AM
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Saygram said:
wisnuyoga78 said:

for me, I don't think that's the case. Before the anime was aired, i was confused about how the heck kou could gain a vampiric power without any of those conditions. after watching episode 2 of the anime it all makes sense. When nazuna sucks kou's blood in the school rooftop, there's a scene where a blood with a white (or black) background following a bell noise (idk how to describe it). it's a sign that kou or nazuna fall in love that a little vampire blood slips in kou's body.


I can understand Kou, he didn't really understand romance/love himself so he might not know. But Nazuna in this case has some experience because she tried to turn Anko into a vampire before. And then Nazuna should probably also notice that something changed when she later fed on him. Ahhh and there is also the situation in Chapter 9 where Nazuna explains that Kou doesn't feel love but lust.

Still. He transform into a vampire and then return to human state. You also say that during the feeding and some of Nazuna's blood got into Kou body. Hmmm... It would be a very classic take on the subject, but no other vampire has mentioned this possibility. Maybe nobody knows?
yeah i think this is more accurate theory cuz there's no way kou actually a half born vampire. He'll probably get weaker or burnt his skin in direct sunlight. (Im saying this because nazuna wear an umbrella in the daytime in chapter 79)
Jul 23, 2022 8:20 AM
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wisnuyoga78 said:
yeah i think this is more accurate theory cuz there's no way kou actually a half born vampire. He'll probably get weaker or burnt his skin in direct sunlight. (Im saying this because nazuna wear an umbrella in the daytime in chapter 79)


In Chapter 79 she is already a fully vampire so obviously she has to avoid the sun. Still I think Nazuna was born, lived like a human for several years and then turned into a vampire. How else would you explain her appearance when she spoke about her first memory? After all, she wasn't born with the body of a teenager. If this is some specific trait of half vampires, then Kou may just be beginning to undergo a similar process. Therefore, he still eats normal food and the sun doesn't bother him. Although normal food is probably not a problem, LG mentioned in Chapter 67 that he eats ramen twice a week.

Anyway, otherwise we'd have to deal with accelerated growth or something? And there is also the item that Kiku used to weaken Nazuna. As I wrote in theory, such a thing shouldn't exist.
At the beginning, I also considered the possibility that Nazuna was a human, but someone (maybe her mother) turned her into a vampire. But in that case, she probably shouldn't have lost all of her memories.

Ahh... at some point we'll probably get an explanation. This is a good feature of this manga that leaves no big plot holes. I remember wondering how Nazuna earn for living and then boom, Snooze Shop with massage offer. Brilliant.

Aug 5, 2022 1:36 PM
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Ok update.
In Chapter 136 it was confirmed that Nazuna wasn't a vampire at a very early stage of her existence. I honestly didn't expect this. But can the umbilical cord be something important to someone? As an unborn child, she had little awareness, so maybe anything that a vampire had with him for a long time as a human could become his weakness. Interesting...

Jan 24, 2023 4:17 PM
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*Probably spoilers from later chapters that were first indicated in this discussion. Wasn't really thinking about it while I was writing and don't want to bother looking for the exact chapters. Any information that I drew upon would be from Chapters 155 and below.

Heya, even though this is unnecessary and probably irrelevant I would like to add to the theory. I became aware of Call Of the Night through the anime and had a similar theory after finishing it. I then went to the manga and I'm even more convinced, but since the later parts of the manga have already been discussed here, I would like to turn your attention to the earlier chapters and even the anime's portrayal of those scenes.

The first thing that got me thinking about this possibility was the swing scene. On the first night, Kou flies of the swing set with an unusual amount of momentum. He states that he didn't know that swings had that much momentum, but I personally believe that they don't. This scene didn't stick out to me until I watched the anime again and realized that it might have been the author's intention for it to be odd in the manga. I know it's definitely supposed to be odd in the anime, but for the sake of canonicity, looking at the manga, it seems to also be just as odd.

The second is the unusual depiction of middle schoolers. Most of the middle schoolers are drawn rather mature, the only exception I know of being Kou. It's almost like his growth is stunted, but in all fairness you can make an argument that he simply hasn't hit puberty yet. However, given his situation as a half vampire, I find it all the more interesting that his growth seems to have stopped.

The third and final thing that I can think of that supports this theory is the fact that Kou is popular. This is more of a nit pick, but it cannot be denied that his popularity is similar to that of vampires.

Finally, while I think it's definitely likely that Kou could simply be born of both a vampire and a human given his circumstance; a mother who lives in the night/works in the night and a missing father as the result of a divorce of unclear circumstance. One question that is brought up in the manga is where the first ever vampire came from and I think that could also be indicative of Kou's situation. However, I'm still leaning towards natural born half-vampire as Kou's family situation supports as much surprisingly well.

Either way, I know this discussion seems dead but I just wanted to leave my two cents before it gets elaborated on in the manga, whenever that might be.
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Jan 25, 2023 1:30 PM
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Well, if you think about it, these seemingly insignificant situations could take on a new meaning. I'm also very curious about how the half vampiric state will affect Kou's life. Kiku and Haru have been looking for a way to become human again, but we still don't know if that's even possible. So actually, Kou may never physically change.

The discussion may seem dead, but I'm still sitting and waiting for an answer. Whatever it would be.

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