Attack on Titan
| I haven't read past the anime yet so no (especially unmarked) manga spoilers please. So the founding titan has the potential to alter humanity's memories and physiology. Pretty terrifying, and it'll no doubt be even worse once Eren learns to do so. But that makes me wonder--why doesn't he just alter the physiology of the Eldians such that they can't turn into titans anymore? Here are my two hypotheses: 1. The Founding Titan's power is limited to physical aspects. Memories are the result of certain nerve patterns firing in different parts of the brain, a very physical attribute. The same must also happen when the founding titan controls titans, by altering their brains. This implies that the original gift from the "devil" to Ymir was magical/supernatural (don't forget that AoT is a dark-FANTASY series). The physical abilities of the Founding don't work on non-material aspects of Ymir's Subjects. 2. The gift to Ymir wasn't magical, and was just poorly understood science, similar to the titan spine fluid, but stronger in the same way as Zeke and presumably any royal blooded Shifter titan. Then the rule that Aaron Yoghurt can't remove the titan attribute of eldians is arbitrary and should have been revealed earlier. |
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| Eldians cannot turn into titans unless they're injected with the spinal fluid. This makes me think that maybe the spinal fluid activates something in their bodies that can give them the ability of turning into titans. That said, what is that thing? Is it physical or is it something else? It also makes me think that maybe if there's a way of not producing that fluid, then Eldians wouldn't present a threat to the rest of the world. I can't wait for all of this to be explained in the next part. |
samashi20May 21, 2021 11:13 PM
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BlossomBurst said: Even if eren could do this. I don't think it would solve anything. The hatred towards eldians is engraved in the veins of the rest of the world. By doing this eren won't be able to solveany problem bc the cycle of hatred will continue since the whole world will always think eldians as subject of ymir or devils of paradise not as normal people and the eldians will forever suffer. The biggest problem is how to break this cycle of hatred which can be done by euthanasia plan, existing eldians will die naturally but they won't reproduce so there's the assurance that the titan powers will vanish in 100 years as there will be no eldian to inherit the founding titan.I haven't read past the anime yet so no (especially unmarked) manga spoilers please. So the founding titan has the potential to alter humanity's memories and physiology. Pretty terrifying, and it'll no doubt be even worse once Eren learns to do so. But that makes me wonder--why doesn't he just alter the physiology of the Eldians such that they can't turn into titans anymore? Here are my two hypotheses: 1. The Founding Titan's power is limited to physical aspects. Memories are the result of certain nerve patterns firing in different parts of the brain, a very physical attribute. The same must also happen when the founding titan controls titans, by altering their brains. This implies that the original gift from the "devil" to Ymir was magical/supernatural (don't forget that AoT is a dark-FANTASY series). The physical abilities of the Founding don't work on non-material aspects of Ymir's Subjects. 2. The gift to Ymir wasn't magical, and was just poorly understood science, similar to the titan spine fluid, but stronger in the same way as Zeke and presumably any royal blooded Shifter titan. Then the rule that Aaron Yoghurt can't remove the titan attribute of eldians is arbitrary and should have been revealed earlier. tl;dr- your hypothesis won't stop the cycle of hatred but the euthanasia plan can. |
CamelBowMay 21, 2021 11:16 PM
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| Do titan powers stack? Eren eat the War Hammer Titan right? Correct me if I'm wrong, so basically Eren has 3 titan powers. Owl is the Attack Titan. He let Eren Dad Grisha Yeager to eat him to get his Titan Power. After getting his powers, he got his memories then proceed the mission: to eat the founding titan. He went to Paradis Island to look for it but his memories are altered/gone because of the current founding titan powers. So he have amnesia when he arrive there. Now, Grisha Yeager attack Reiss family and he eat Frieda Reiss. Therefore, Eren Dad has both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Fast forward, Grisha Yeager life span got short coz of titan power, he let eren eats him to inherit both his Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Now for some reason, Eren didn't inherit his dad memories. Flashback of memories sometimes happen though. Can someone explain this why w/o spoiling the manga? Now evil Eren is born. He ran amok and eaten the War Hammer Titan. Eren now have Attack Titan, Founding Titan, and War Hammer Titan. So yeah, back to my quesiton. Do titan powers stack together? Or you can only shapeshift one titan one at a time (e.g ape titan today, colossal titan next) and not a Attack Titan with the War Hammer Crystal like powers. |
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Gazz said: dude i think u are stepping directly into the spoiler territory and explaining it without spoiling is impossible for manga readers.Do titan powers stack? Eren eat the War Hammer Titan right? Correct me if I'm wrong, so basically Eren has 3 titan powers. Owl is the Attack Titan. He let Eren Dad Grisha Yeager to eat him to get his Titan Power. After getting his powers, he got his memories then proceed the mission: to eat the founding titan. He went to Paradis Island to look for it but his memories are altered/gone because of the current founding titan powers. So he have amnesia when he arrive there. Now, Grisha Yeager attack Reiss family and he eat Frieda Reiss. Therefore, Eren Dad has both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Fast forward, Grisha Yeager life span got short coz of titan power, he let eren eats him to inherit both his Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Now for some reason, Eren didn't inherit his dad memories. Flashback of memories sometimes happen though. Can someone explain this why w/o spoiling the manga? Now evil Eren is born. He ran amok and eaten the War Hammer Titan. Eren now have Attack Titan, Founding Titan, and War Hammer Titan. So yeah, back to my quesiton. Do titan powers stack together? Or you can only shapeshift one titan one at a time (e.g ape titan today, colossal titan next) and not a Attack Titan with the War Hammer Crystal like powers. |
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gintokijaegar05 said: Gazz said: dude i think u are stepping directly into the spoiler territory and explaining it without spoiling is impossible for manga readers.Do titan powers stack? Eren eat the War Hammer Titan right? Correct me if I'm wrong, so basically Eren has 3 titan powers. Owl is the Attack Titan. He let Eren Dad Grisha Yeager to eat him to get his Titan Power. After getting his powers, he got his memories then proceed the mission: to eat the founding titan. He went to Paradis Island to look for it but his memories are altered/gone because of the current founding titan powers. So he have amnesia when he arrive there. Now, Grisha Yeager attack Reiss family and he eat Frieda Reiss. Therefore, Eren Dad has both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Fast forward, Grisha Yeager life span got short coz of titan power, he let eren eats him to inherit both his Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Now for some reason, Eren didn't inherit his dad memories. Flashback of memories sometimes happen though. Can someone explain this why w/o spoiling the manga? Now evil Eren is born. He ran amok and eaten the War Hammer Titan. Eren now have Attack Titan, Founding Titan, and War Hammer Titan. So yeah, back to my quesiton. Do titan powers stack together? Or you can only shapeshift one titan one at a time (e.g ape titan today, colossal titan next) and not a Attack Titan with the War Hammer Crystal like powers. Oh no. I regret asking. I thought its a loophole in the anime coz its not yet explained lol. Thanks @gintokijaegar05 Guys please ignore my question.  |
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Gazz said: u can just dlt that reply of yours.gintokijaegar05 said: dude i think u are stepping directly into the spoiler territory and explaining it without spoiling is impossible for manga readers. Oh no. I regret asking. I thought its a loophole in the anime coz its not yet explained lol. Thanks @gintokijaegar05 Guys please ignore my question. |
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| because the world is evil and they hate the eldians, the only smart plan is to kill all humanity and repopulate it with good eldians. Even if your proposed plan succeeds the rest of the world would start killing the eldians, the other humans are simply evil and disgusting creatures and they only care about death and destruction, before the Eldian Empire, the world was in the stone age, the eldians build the world, the buildings, the bridges, they invented the culture. also the 9 shifters are no match with the armies. To survive in this world you need to be tough, you can't reason with brain dead marleyans and the rest, they will learn their lesson in hell |
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| @Gazz Im worried your post has spoilers so I didnt read all of it, but im pretty sure Titan powers stack. That's why Eren can use the Coordinate, one of the lower level Foundibg powers. I have a feeling that once he uses it in Titan form, he'll turn into a lady form like the first Ymir (jk) And once he uses the WarHammer he'll grow some malleable white armour, but that's probably in episode 1 of season 4 part 2. |
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Catalano said: because the world is evil and they hate the eldians, the only smart plan is to kill all humanity and repopulate it with good eldians. Even if your proposed plan succeeds the rest of the world would start killing the eldians, the other humans are simply evil and disgusting creatures and they only care about death and destruction, before the Eldian Empire, the world was in the stone age, the eldians build the world, the buildings, the bridges, they invented the culture. also the 9 shifters are no match with the armies. To survive in this world you need to be tough, you can't reason with brain dead marleyans and the rest, they will learn their lesson in hell I like how perfectly you sound like an Eldian nationalist. As we saw in the Marley arc, it isn't necessarily Marleyans that are the problem, it's the corrupt government perpetuating the oppression of Eldians because it benefits them. If the Marleyan Warriors were to pull a season 3 and take down the Marleyan government and implement structural reforms to elevate the Eldians as equal humans, then make the spinal fluid strictly regulated so that it's only used to pass on Titan forms (or not they could let the shifters vanish like the Dragon Balls when the last Curse of Ymir gets them and never let anyone look for them since the spine juice is done). What's scary is that the authoritarian regime that Marley is would fight like hell to keep Eldians down, even if it would benefit all to just delete the spinal fluid stores (since humans don't naturally become titans) |
BlossomBurstMay 22, 2021 7:24 AM
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BlossomBurst said: Catalano said: because the world is evil and they hate the eldians, the only smart plan is to kill all humanity and repopulate it with good eldians. Even if your proposed plan succeeds the rest of the world would start killing the eldians, the other humans are simply evil and disgusting creatures and they only care about death and destruction, before the Eldian Empire, the world was in the stone age, the eldians build the world, the buildings, the bridges, they invented the culture. also the 9 shifters are no match with the armies. To survive in this world you need to be tough, you can't reason with brain dead marleyans and the rest, they will learn their lesson in hell I like how perfectly you sound like an Eldian nationalist. As we saw in the Marley arc, it isn't necessarily Marleyans that are the problem, it's the corrupt government perpetuating the oppression of Eldians because it benefits them. it was a janitor who spilled dirty water on the Yeager family, it was a random cop who killed Grischa's sister, the government is run by the Tybur family who are eldians because only eldians can govern a country, marleyans aren't smart enough. Sure I am a bit fired up and angry but the regular people are evil too and they are guilty. Why don't they start a revolution againt the so called evil government if they are so kind and good natured individuals? because they love to live the good life, they sleep soundly as eldians are killed in the wars they start |
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BlossomBurst said: don't worry he just asked the questions regarding the 2nd half of s3 p2, there's nothing like spoiler in his reply.@Gazz Im worried your post has spoilers so I didnt read all of it, but im pretty sure Titan powers stack. That's why Eren can use the Coordinate, one of the lower level Foundibg powers. I have a feeling that once he uses it in Titan form, he'll turn into a lady form like the first Ymir (jk) And once he uses the WarHammer he'll grow some malleable white armour, but that's probably in episode 1 of season 4 part 2. |
═════════════════════════════ You're going to be all right. You just stumbled over a stone in the road. It means nothing. Your goal lies far beyond this. Doesn't it? I'm sure you'll overcome this. You'll walk again... soon. ═════════════════════════════ |
Gazz said: Do titan powers stack? Eren eat the War Hammer Titan right? Correct me if I'm wrong, so basically Eren has 3 titan powers. Owl is the Attack Titan. He let Eren Dad Grisha Yeager to eat him to get his Titan Power. After getting his powers, he got his memories then proceed the mission: to eat the founding titan. He went to Paradis Island to look for it but his memories are altered/gone because of the current founding titan powers. So he have amnesia when he arrive there. Now, Grisha Yeager attack Reiss family and he eat Frieda Reiss. Therefore, Eren Dad has both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Fast forward, Grisha Yeager life span got short coz of titan power, he let eren eats him to inherit both his Attack Titan and the Founding Titan power. Now for some reason, Eren didn't inherit his dad memories. Flashback of memories sometimes happen though. Can someone explain this why w/o spoiling the manga? Now evil Eren is born. He ran amok and eaten the War Hammer Titan. Eren now have Attack Titan, Founding Titan, and War Hammer Titan. So yeah, back to my quesiton. Do titan powers stack together? Or you can only shapeshift one titan one at a time (e.g ape titan today, colossal titan next) and not a Attack Titan with the War Hammer Crystal like powers. My guess is that part of what got Eren so mad about the eldian stuff may have been him getting more of his dad's memories, such as his treatment of Zeke. And I also feel like the memories don't all come at once (consciously). His dad's memories and the Owl's shape his personality and worldview, same as Armin with Bertholdt's memories (which probably explains Armin crying upon hearing Yelena's plan.) Eren definitely did inherit some memories, which is shown in season 3p2 where he runs through Grisha's post-eating-Kruger adult life from the first person. And I'm really hoping that having multiple usable titans means you fuse both, because an Attack Titan with Warhammer powers and armour would look cool af. But based on how things are going, my guess is that you use one titan at a time. Eren has to create a new titan body to use each of his three titans, most likely. Which isn't that cool imo but adds a really cool limitation and a serious weakness if he wants to rapid switch midbattle |
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Mistaavee said: you are telling us not to give you spoilers and at the same time asking questions whose answers will be spoilers. I know the answers will be spoilers. I don't want the answers, I want to speculate from an anime only perspective (for fun). I don't really want the actual answers yet, so if you're a manga reader with them, pls don't reveal them. |
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Catalano said: BlossomBurst said: I like how perfectly you sound like an Eldian nationalist. As we saw in the Marley arc, it isn't necessarily Marleyans that are the problem, it's the corrupt government perpetuating the oppression of Eldians because it benefits them. it was a janitor who spilled dirty water on the Yeager family, it was a random cop who killed Grischa's sister, the government is run by the Tybur family who are eldians because only eldians can govern a country, marleyans aren't smart enough. Sure I am a bit fired up and angry but the regular people are evil too and they are guilty. Why don't they start a revolution againt the so called evil government if they are so kind and good natured individuals? because they love to live the good life, they sleep soundly as eldians are killed in the wars they start And who propagandised to the citizens? Who engrained that hatred through structural oppression? The individuals are in the wrong too, but at the root if things its the government who enables it. Fixing the root of the issue instead of treating the symptoms would permit an actual stop to the cycle of violence--unlike Eren belly flopping onto innocent (yet complicit) marleyans and their children Edit: also the Tyburs dont run the government, they're just some of the highest ranking and most influential, they're essentially nobles. |
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