Rumbling is actually successful

zerotitan said:
After the last chapter, I am seeing many raising questions that if Eren always knew that rumbling was going to be failed then why he initiated it in the first place, rumbling failed paradise will be destroyed by the rest of the world, so I decided to approximately judge based on what info Manga gave us, that if rumbling indeed failed or it is successful.
From the real world locations manga showed us where Rumbling had already reached we can get the following information.
White cliffs of Dover, Kent ~ 8842 km
https://imgur.com/44TSXNG
West minister Bridge, London ~ 8945 km
https://imgur.com/RjhZK43
Kamigamo Shrine, Kyoto ~ 11139 km
https://imgur.com/kYRpmpu
Jiyugaoka Shrine, Tokyo ~ 11506 km
https://imgur.com/YT1ckhW
Reference point: Tsiroanomandidy, Madagascar
I hope we all agree on Paradise being Madagascar. I took this place named Tsiroanomandidy as the reference point for my distance measurements. Below is the Map of our world which is flipped and mirrored which gives the Map AOT’s world have.
https://imgur.com/3aEYpLh
Now, let’s look at the supposed place where the final battle is taking place.
https://imgur.com/FXruwic
https://imgur.com/snTUpDR
Note that it is almost impossible to locate exact place based on the map manga showed so I have chosen a position I felt could be where the final confrontation is happening.
This place is, as you can see from the map image, around 7595 km from our reference point.
So, now we have all the distances to calculate the approx. speed of rumbling.
Max. distance rumbling reached by chapter 134 is 11506 km.
Min. distance rumbling reached is 7595 km where the final fight is going on. So, if we assume 96 hours have passed since rumbling then the speed of rumbling varies from approx. 79- 119 km/hr.
If we keep the reference point as the center and draw a circle taking radius as 11500 km then we can easily say that entire Asia, Africa, Europe, Most of South America, and perhaps a good chunk of North America have been already rumbled. This leads to the conclusion that rumbling has indeed succeeded and Eren had killed perhaps even over 80% of the world’s population.
I don’t think Isayama needs to confirm to us that at what scale rumbling has been successful or how much of population it managed to kill because IMO those panels of Kyoto, Tokyo, London were deliberately shown which are at distances far enough for readers to conclude that rumbling is mostly successful. And if my approximations are correct then that saves Isayama from answering the question which was raised that if Eren wanted the rumbling to be failed then why he initiated it in the first place, because Eren never failed. He literally succeeded in what he wanted to do. All the thread to paradise is now exterminated, most of the civilizations destroyed. This could also mean that if things are indeed all going as per his plan then he must have planned to be killed by Mikasa after he achieves what he wanted.

FreeHobo said:


Respect for the effort you put in this dude! I don't think rumbling will mean anything unless that spine thingy is destroyed. If that was his intention, he wouldn't be going that far. Partial rumbling should suffice. All those dead people will magically return to life by paths or alternate universes or whatever shit Yams will pull. So rumbling actually did not even happen. There are lots of things Yams needs to answer and single chapter can't cover them all.

Food_poisoning said:
Pretty good effortpost, but it still does not address the main issue. Which is

How will the future be any different if in everyone's eyes eldians destroyed most of the known world? I think it's awfully optimistic and unfitting to just get along and leave behind any worries of the future, it's not conclusive, no one would like it.

Of course, if all titans were destroyed somehow, then that's a solution, but now you have to presume that this is all part of Eren's plan, including destroying this much of the world, and being defeated.

Guess we'll see next chapter.

zerotitan said:
After the last chapter, I am seeing many raising questions that if Eren always knew that rumbling was going to be failed then why he initiated it in the first place, rumbling failed paradise will be destroyed by the rest of the world, so I decided to approximately judge based on what info Manga gave us, that if rumbling indeed failed or it is successful.
From the real world locations manga showed us where Rumbling had already reached we can get the following information.
White cliffs of Dover, Kent ~ 8842 km
https://imgur.com/44TSXNG
West minister Bridge, London ~ 8945 km
https://imgur.com/RjhZK43
Kamigamo Shrine, Kyoto ~ 11139 km
https://imgur.com/kYRpmpu
Jiyugaoka Shrine, Tokyo ~ 11506 km
https://imgur.com/YT1ckhW
Reference point: Tsiroanomandidy, Madagascar
I hope we all agree on Paradise being Madagascar. I took this place named Tsiroanomandidy as the reference point for my distance measurements. Below is the Map of our world which is flipped and mirrored which gives the Map AOT’s world have.
https://imgur.com/3aEYpLh
Now, let’s look at the supposed place where the final battle is taking place.
https://imgur.com/FXruwic
https://imgur.com/snTUpDR
Note that it is almost impossible to locate exact place based on the map manga showed so I have chosen a position I felt could be where the final confrontation is happening.
This place is, as you can see from the map image, around 7595 km from our reference point.
So, now we have all the distances to calculate the approx. speed of rumbling.
Max. distance rumbling reached by chapter 134 is 11506 km.
Min. distance rumbling reached is 7595 km where the final fight is going on. So, if we assume 96 hours have passed since rumbling then the speed of rumbling varies from approx. 79- 119 km/hr.
If we keep the reference point as the center and draw a circle taking radius as 11500 km then we can easily say that entire Asia, Africa, Europe, Most of South America, and perhaps a good chunk of North America have been already rumbled. This leads to the conclusion that rumbling has indeed succeeded and Eren had killed perhaps even over 80% of the world’s population.
I don’t think Isayama needs to confirm to us that at what scale rumbling has been successful or how much of population it managed to kill because IMO those panels of Kyoto, Tokyo, London were deliberately shown which are at distances far enough for readers to conclude that rumbling is mostly successful. And if my approximations are correct then that saves Isayama from answering the question which was raised that if Eren wanted the rumbling to be failed then why he initiated it in the first place, because Eren never failed. He literally succeeded in what he wanted to do. All the thread to paradise is now exterminated, most of the civilizations destroyed. This could also mean that if things are indeed all going as per his plan then he must have planned to be killed by Mikasa after he achieves what he wanted.

zerotitan said:


Which everyone you are referring to? I just showed that Eren might have successfully killed over 80% or perhaps even around 90% world population, the world of AOT is already not that advanced, the remaining 10-20% left people are literally hardly gonna care about Paradise people. Further, it is not going to be broadcasted onto world TV that the centipede is destroyed and the remaining Eldians are not a threat anymore. After the destruction, Eren caused it is more likely that the remaining people will not even dare to mess with paradise. Further paradise people will also have the opportunity to slowly spread throughout the world and normalizing the world over the course of next few centuries.

hamza121419 said:
Great job man, you made a lot of effort gathering all these intel, the only thing that seemed unrealistic to me is the speed of the rumbling : 79 to 119 km/h is too much, it's the speed of vehicles in a subway. And we know that collosal titans are not that fast, in fact they are very slow and we saw that with bertold in s3 p2. I'm not saying your calculations are wrong but I think the locations shown in the manga of where the rumbling has reached are exagerated. I think a 30 to 40 km/h is a more realistic speed counting the titans can make big steps but very slowly. A very realistic approximation will consiste on counting 30 m (which is a titan step) in 3 to 5 seconds, which means about 6 to 10 meters/second or 21.6 to 36 km/h. This was about them rumbling the lands, and about their speed in the water i think it would be twice their speed in the land at max.

Food_poisoning said:


I did some calculation given the difference between avg human and the 50m titans, if it was 1-to-1 regular walking, taking the height difference % to avg walking speed, titans are 28.7X times bigger than humans, and should roughly walk that much more, so it seems that 50M titans should be walking at ~143.6 km/h, it seems the number is a little off, but I'm sure it's not that big of a deal in the grand view of things, lol.

EDIT:seems I accidentally calculated for 20m instead of 50 first time

cAbaddon said:
If the worm is destroyed plus Ymir doing something in the paths to eradicate the titan curse from the world then the eldians won’t be identified by the blood tests.

Paradidians could use the chaos caused by the rumbling to leave the island and blend in with the rest of the world.

hamza121419 said:
titans being 28x times bigger than humans does not mean they will walk 28x times faster. You should take on consideration the frequency of their steps which is very low compared to human beings. If a human can make 1 step per second a titan would make approximately 1 step per 5 seconds,which mean you have to devide the speed you calculated by 5. 143/5 ~ 28 km/h. This is your real speed not 143 km/h.

143 km/h is about 40 meters per second which is not accurate for a collosal titan. The accurate speed would about 40 meters per 5 seconds.

Food_poisoning said:


I know I made an assumption, but didn't you do the same?
How do we know that the colossal titan don't have muscles that are naturally different and much stronger than humans that allow them to move at the same relative speed?
If we really go by realistic logic here, following the Square–cube law, then any titan more than probably 7 or so meters should be literally destroying their thighs and feet every time they take a step, lol.

hamza121419 said:
https://youtu.be/cafvJeXCcIY

@Food_poisoning

So let's make this practical, you can see in this video how armin's collosal is approximately making a step of 8 metres in 1 second. 8 meters is about 1/8 of his height which is logical from what we see in this scene. So it would be about 29 km/h which is acceptable as this is the speed of a football player how can make this distance in 1 second.

The speed of colossal titans should be about the same as armin, at max it would be 1.5 or even 2x the speed of armin. Which is between 43 and 60 km/h. This is the maximum speed that a colossal titan can walk.

Food_poisoning said:


The problem with this is that TV Shows tend to be inaccurate with depictions of many giant creatures, making them seem weirdly slow, while in reality the reason is if they were moving relatively at normal speed, it would either look unnormal with the other creatures on the screen, or it would look like a regular old human, no "menacing" slow giant effect.

For that, I think the show isn't a very reliable reference for these types of "giant" shots.

Adnash93 said:
@FreeHobo, I really want to think that what you have written in your post most likely won't happen, but I can't, since it is the most probable scenario for concluding the story in this one last chapter... :(

zerotitan said:
@hamza121419

You know Colossals are actually moving with those speeds. I just didn't come up with those random high speeds. Those are calculated values based on the distance they covered in a given time, so whether you are able to digest it or not Colossal titans are all moving within that high-speed range. Also, from Manga itself, Hange mentioned that rumbling is faster than galloping horses.
https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Horse
Now, of course, we can agree which horses Hange would refer to, the one's survey corps were used to, and go to the link and see what speed is mentioned for those horses.
Now, I really don't see how it is very difficult to see that possible. First, the calculation @Food_poisoning did and arrived at 150km/hr speed is correct and you can say that they are unable to move with that speed but are actually moving with the speed of only 52.6 - 79.33 % of that speed due to their colossal size.
Also, you need to understand it is shown to use more than once that Titans under control can do much more than simple titans, they can be pushed to perform extraordinarily than they would if they were mindless titans.
Armin's speed example is definitely not good because Armin simply was walking he had not any sort of hurry to trample over the world, while the Colossal titans are under the command and Eren is pushing them to complete rumbling at greater speeds.

Food_poisoning said:
Pretty good effortpost, but it still does not address the main issue. Which is

How will the future be any different if in everyone's eyes eldians destroyed most of the known world? I think it's awfully optimistic and unfitting to just get along and leave behind any worries of the future, it's not conclusive, no one would like it.

Of course, if all titans were destroyed somehow, then that's a solution, but now you have to presume that this is all part of Eren's plan, including destroying this much of the world, and being defeated.

Guess we'll see next chapter.

hamza121419 said:
i didn' t say your calculations are wrong man, its correct based on the distance covered, but if you read carefully my comment you would see that i'm questioning the where the rumbling has reached, i think isayama exagerated the distance covered in such a short amount of time. Your calculations and right, but the thing is that having such high speed is too much dude, and i gave plenty of examples why it can be like that from the manga. Can you tell le how hange was able to target the nake of these titans with such speed? So either their speed is exagerated or her killing them is exagerated. And in each case there is contradiction.

Yeah armin wasnt pushing in that scene but i calculated twice the speed he had which is acceptable for a walking titan rumbling. They aren't running they are just walking.

Another thing, the titans can't make that much of a damage with that speed because to make such damage in houses they have a lot of weight, which means less speed.

I don't know why you assumed there would be a big difference between a collosal shifter and collosal pure titan, what count is their sizes and their speeds and there is not a thing that shows controlel collosal pure titans would perform better than shifters. Even shifters can push and perform like pure titans.

The titans hange talked about weren't collosal titans, they were just pure titans that can run faster than a collosal titan. I've just showed above the screen from the manga where reiner said that their titans including bertold's can cath up with the jaw's speed,which is about the speed of wild animals. If the collosal was fast they would have used it to reach the walls instead of the female and the jaw titan. And reiner and bertold would have used it to escape the survey coos and the pure titans back in s2.

There is a lot of examples that shows that the speed you calculated isn't accurate and it's not that your calculations are wrong, but the info isayama gave about where the rumbling reached were exagerated.

zerotitan said:


I really don't get your logic. How are you arriving at this conclusion that Eren did less evil and Ymir did more evil? It was Eren who declared the rumbling in the first place. It was Eren who asked for forgiveness from Ramzi because he knew that he is gonna crush him to death.

zerotitan said:


First, I know you are not saying that my calculations are wrong. I am simply saying that you are not able to digest the speed Isayama portrayed which you will agree with right?
Second, you are saying that you used twice Armin's speed to arrive at the speed of around 43-60 km/hr. I would ask you why you are using a factor of twice and not 4 times? I can literally walk 4 times faster than myself when I am forcing myself than when I am very casually walking. You are again diminishing the fact that they are under command. Do you not know that people do doping to gain extraordinary performance gains? I literally see them being under control the same way as they are on drugs which improve their performance to this extent. Another point being Shifters get exhausted, they have only limited energy and they have to work cautiously in order to conserve that energy and still be doing what they are doing, this is not the case with mindless titans, they will never once run out of energy, they won't feel exhausted and can continuously move forward. I don't get your Idea that more mass than less speed, are you implying the law of conservation of momentum applies to all titans if a small titan moves with very high speed and a large titan with more mass will proportionately move slower? Even a truck with much more mass than a car can move at the Car's speed. Imagine an indestructible 50m truck running with the speed of 80 km/hr, it will easily and obviously be able to demolish anything that comes in front of it and keep moving forward. That's what rumbling titans are.
Then your point about Hange being able to kill those titans at that speed. Now you are trying to use too much logic, somethings in fiction just work like that, we have seen Mikasa catching and killing the mindless titan in the 6th episode while others were not able to catch it and for them, it just seem impossible. Does it make sense? No. But we accepted it as just Mikasa being badass, same goes with Hange being able to kill them as well. Further, Hange didn't just do it from very far, she latched onto them got close to them with ODM gear, and then shot the thunder spear, of course with that high speed it is still possible that she actually might miss but this much of suspension of disbelief should be expected from readers.

hamza121419 said:
i get your point man, you aren't wrong by any means, it could be that the titans are indeed walking at such higher speed, but my point is that Isayama didn't give any time to give details about the rumbling, and throughout the series one can see a lot of contradictions with the speed they would have considering the distance covered by those titans in 3 or 4 days. A whole plot line in the series is that collosal shifter titan is slow, and isayama didn't explain how much a pure collosal could be different than a shifter, can it be 2 times faster, 10 times?? We don't know. We don't know anything about these titans capabilities and this is why i made the extrapolation with the shifters because we simply don't have other data to base on the calculations. And in chapter 131 isayama didn't make them feel like they are that fast.







You can see here that the kids had some seconds to run, and there was enough time for the rocks to fall and crush one of the kids before the titan crush the kid with his step. I think it's clearly here that they can't be having a speed of 80 km/h or more.

What i want to say is that the distance covered by the titans as isayama showed it is not backed up with some solide arguments or even some explanation. I'm pretty sur isayama din't even think of this too much in order to give something very coherent when it comes to the rumbling. But the idea is here, the rumbling reached very far in the world just as you showed in your post, was this really realistic ? It doesn't seem to me to be so, and as we lack data about those freaking titans we can't say for sur if it's coherent or not. Let's just hope that Isayama won't say in the next chapter that there is still plenty of lands that haven't been rumbled because that would be completely contradictory to what he has shown in ch 134.

Food_poisoning said:


Idk if you're doing it on purpose or not, but you're missing the issue by a long shot.

Right now we don't know if titans are destroyed or not, or what would happen if the worm is destroyed. And everything hangs on this working, even then, will the shifter abilities vanish? They don't know and they're going through with it.
To hide the fact that titans trampled most of the world is impossible, people are not that stupid and feeble, and it's unlikely they would try to hide it anyway.
After the destruction, mankind will build itself up again with many harboring hatred for eldians as well as advancing weapons that destroy them.
In most cases it will probably end with eldians + shifters controlling/enslaving them in order to prevent that from happening, but to expect that to happen without any retaliation frankly makes no sense and it's hardly a good outcome.

In fact there are way too many ways this could go wrong, and only a few select ways I could see it working.

ALL titans have to vanish, or almost all non-eldians have to vanish, there is no middle ground, especially when Eren saw god knows how many futures, and went ahead with this plan.

Granted there's much we don't know, so we'll have to see the last chapter to see it all play out.

zerotitan said:


Let's wait for the final chapter to get confirmations on somethings.
1. Will centipede die? What will happen when it dies? Will entire titans be converted back to humans or will they simply disappear or vaporize like how pure titans do when they die?
2. Will titan shifting abilities also end with this and will it also destroy the paths?
Basically, what will happen to Eldians with the death of the centipede? I believe those who converted into Titans will die and living Eldian's will become normal people.
Now tell me do you really think the remaining 10% of the population which never was that technologically advanced will think of trying to get revenge from paradise? With what Rumbling achieved will they not be terrified forever? Will, they not think that it was foolish to mess with them in the first place? Will they even in the next 50 or100 years try to repeat the same mistake?
Next, if Eldians do turn into normal humans then over the years Eldians can simply mix in with other remaining populations without ever getting suspected of being Eldian or paradise people. How do you see only 100 % Rumbling as success when even with 90% success, Eren had ensured that not only one would try to mess with them ever again and by killing most of the technologically advanced nations, the remaining people would not be a threat anyway. Also If I am right then Eren's plan also involves killing centipede, this way he will also be ensuring they are truly free.

Food_poisoning said:


Doesn't make it any better, in fact I feel bad for all his effort all he got was this shit.
Wasted effort unfortunately.