Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| I'm sick and tired of people constantly complaining about the pacing. "Wtf they're still in that stupid sanctuary?!" "What's with all these goddamn flashbacks?!" "Why so much talking? Where's muh action?" Yes sure this season is slower paced compared to the first season but that was because season 1 was really rushed... I mean, characterization, foreshadowing and major plot points get cut. Characters in season 1 just come and go without ever getting any character development. This season in comparison has a smaller cast of characters but they are all given proper characterization and major character growth. On the surface it may seem the plot isn't progressing much, but people really need to learn to look at the bigger picture... This season is not standalone... Everything that has happened here won't just disappear when everything is done and over... No, everything, including the flashbacks, character development, important plot revelations and foreshadowing are all important for the future arcs. 1. The flashbacks help establish character motivations and development, setup plot lines that will be explored in the future as well as foreshadow some important things. 2. The character development for every character so far is important for the future arcs, Emilia's development in particular is especially important. With everything that has happened this far in the story she has matured a lot, this will not only help her in general situations, this will also give her an advantage over the Royal Selection. Previously in season 1, Emilia is very insecure and immature, she has a goal in mind when she joined the Selection but she didn't have the proper knowledge or determination to make it happen, unlike the other candidates with their own beliefs and ideals, but now that she has gained a lot more confidence and matured, she has obtained that much needed push to stand on the same ground as the other candidates, and that's only for Emilia, we also have Roswaal, and we learned of his true nature and goals, Subaru who has matured even more and learned to not just rely on his power of RbD, to value his life more and gain a lot more self-confidence and courage, before, he was the one who always needed that one last push from others(Rem, Emilia) but now is the one giving that push(Otto, Garfiel, Emilia) to others. This is everything I wanted to say, I'm always open to discussion, but please keep it civil and don't insult others for having a different opinion. |
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goheadmrjoester said: I personally can't feel any pacing issues mostly because the Re:Zero anime has always had bad pacing imo due to the novels being long as fuck. So I don't really understand how anime-onlies feel about the pacing but I will try to see from their perspective and implore them to watch till the end. I honestly thought this was better than the Betelgeuse arc overall in terms of entertainment though I remember drifting off after Rem's confession, everything after that was kinda boring for me in season 1. It was kinda annoying watching him fight the white whale and Betelgeuse with no real connection known between them. Idk man, I was just really tired of all the pacing complaints that I made this thread. Season 1 was really random and part of that could be attributed to cut content, the 2nd half of season 1 really needed 2 cours to work so when it was all condensed in 14 episodes it all turned into a random mess where the plot seemed to go nowhere, I would bet, the same people complaining this season is dragged will complain nothing makes sense if season 2 was condensed in one cour... People frequently complain about rushed LN adaptations and when a good LN gets actual good pacing they then complain it's dragged, idk man I just idk anymore... |
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Fiveskies said: I know everything in the anime has some purpose but I guess it's not interesting enough to keep viewers invested ? That's totally alright and understandable but there are some people that say that this season could've been cut in half and nothing would change or saying these flashbacks don't matter have no idea what they're talking about. |
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| Thank you gil,now i will embrace myself to more bloated dialogue,i know this would be dialogue heavy like the monogatari series so it must be slow paced,or maybe i just put another ost that's fit? i dont think so |
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Kyrosys said: Thank you gil,now i will embrace myself to more bloated dialogue,i know this would be dialogue heavy like the monogatari series so it must be slow paced,or maybe i just put another ost that's fit? i dont think so I swear, whenever I see you in Re:Zero threads it's always about the "bloated dialogue"... |
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Gilgameshuu said: Kyrosys said: Thank you gil,now i will embrace myself to more bloated dialogue,i know this would be dialogue heavy like the monogatari series so it must be slow paced,or maybe i just put another ost that's fit? i dont think so I swear, whenever I see you in Re:Zero threads it's always about the "bloated dialogue"... yeah,i will try to make some coffe or tea to not get bored :( this is why i regret after jumping from s1 go on to the s2 without seeing the mixed reviews,prolly gonna stop soon |
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| I really like this season but it's quite easy to understand why some would find some scenes slow/boring. The first season adapted 9 volumes while this is adapting 10-15. Every person i know that didn't read the novels before thinks it's with a slow pace, while the novel readers are quite happy that the novel isn't getting many cuts. Like for me the dialogues with ryuuzu were quite boring, but the ones with emilia, garfiel and roswall are the better ones. I am really loving this season because i am getting what i wanted after season 1 finished. Subaru past, emilia past, more of the witch, roswall, beatrice, episode 15, etc. I actually don't miss rem at all. You seem to really like rezero, but there is nothing you can do. People won't like it because of X (even if X doesn't make sense) and that's it. Just ignore it, even if it's an absurd. People say that in reddit there are better comments. I have friends that don't like because they say its too much dialogues or because subaru cries too much (???). I liked it since episode 1, and it just got better and better for me. |
Kyrosys said: Gilgameshuu said: I swear, whenever I see you in Re:Zero threads it's always about the "bloated dialogue"... yeah,i will try to make some coffe or tea to not get bored :( this is why i regret after jumping from s1 go on to the s2 without seeing the mixed reviews,prolly gonna stop soon Mixed reviews? This season is accepted and regarded extraordinarily well, I do not get what you are saying. And bloated dialogues? Every piece of dialog had a purpose it is not bloated at all. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| I think the emotions coming from dialouges are really strong at this season. They help to analyze the personalities of the characters and make the plot stronger. Right now the lore has got some strong root thanks to this "long and boring" dialouges. So if somebody wants to complain about "long" dialouges please go and watch some shounen animes that contains just some fights without "any" character development or personality analyzing. This is not that type of anime. It can be slow but this is what makes this anime amazing. Unlike another Isekai animes this one has low powered MC and slow CD. Accept it or go and watch another one. |
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
| It's not as much of an issue that we are still in the sanctuary, it's an issue that the show is so bloated that it is hard to sit through. |
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Someanime said: BloatedAtlos said: It's not as much of an issue that we are still in the sanctuary, it's an issue that the show is so bloated that it is hard to sit through. Can you explain the word "bloated"? I've been hearing it a lot lately, along with "forced". adjective excessive in size or amount. |
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| I agree with you. Whenever I see complaints about "boring episode", I actually want to be toxic, but I think I'll be called "Fanboys" if I do. So all I can do is shut up... |
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LyST_02 said: I agree with you. Whenever I see complaints about "boring episode", I actually want to be toxic, but I think I'll be called "Fanboys" if I do. So all I can do is shut up... Actually It's me at 3.00 AM at my bed while scrolling at MAL forum :D I think sometimes shutting up is better than arguing at some level and be called toxic. |
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
| Yes but people tend to enjoy fights |
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Someanime said: You can be dialogue-heavy without being bloated. Re zero is a good example on how not to write diolougeAtlos said: Yes but people tend to enjoy fights Shounen = 13 yrs old Seinen = somewhere above, Re:Zero is Seinen, so it's only natural to be dialogue heavy without being called bloated. |
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| Just don't get mad when people call the show boring. It is not like everybody has to love the show. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Someanime said: LyST_02 said: I agree with you. Whenever I see complaints about "boring episode", I actually want to be toxic, but I think I'll be called "Fanboys" if I do. So all I can do is shut up... "How dare you shut up?! Now i see why people hate Re:Zero fandom" If that guy didn't show up, I'm sure Re:Zero's fandom wouldn't be hated too much. |
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| After seeing all theses threads and posts about concerning the slow pacing and etc. of season 2, I think it has become quite inevitable. Re:Zero is best when you're actively interested into it. By that I mean that you go out of your way to learn more details about the story, like Winter_Fox described above, making it more and more engaging as you learn more. If you're not interested in the characters or the story, you'll find each subsequent scene to be more and more boring and overall less appealing until you dislike the show. Almost inevitably, you'll start disliking Re:Zero if you start losing interested to a major character/scene. This also includes the many who watched the first season as a weekly dose of gore who wouldn't go as far as some others to learn more about it and its characters. This is also why I wrote about Re:Zero having the "controversial" tag to it a while back, since that trend is likely to continue accross the rest of the series, hurting its score and reviews. I don't usually care much about the score but it does sadden me to see Re:Zero getting that much hate. Maybe it won't get its few final seasons animated if its popularity goes down too much at one point. In any case, I love Arc 4 and I like the direction of the series so far (read 'till Arc 5 ch. 60 so far), so I'll stick here and keep Re:Zero as my own favorite series of all time. |
Someanime said: Is "That guy" me? I've been legitimately told: "Don't be toxic, Not everyone will have to like the show!" Nope. It's not you. |
LisstaaFeb 18, 2021 10:01 AM
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QcDiablo said: I don't usually care much about the score but it does sadden me to see Re:Zero getting that much hate. Maybe it won't get its few final seasons animated if its popularity goes down too much at one point. I hope Re:Zero doesn't become SAO 2.0 which is where the anime is good but is hated too much. |
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LyST_02 said: QcDiablo said: I don't usually care much about the score but it does sadden me to see Re:Zero getting that much hate. Maybe it won't get its few final seasons animated if its popularity goes down too much at one point. I hope Re:Zero doesn't become SAO 2.0 which is where the anime is good but is hated too much. SAO's problem was plot. It just threw away the lore and became simply a harem anime. It had got a lot of potential with its plot but It didn't want to use it. Most of hate comes from there. So I'm sorry but I can't blame the people who hates SAO. Re:Zero's situation is waaay different than SAO btw. |
ChodelphiaFeb 18, 2021 11:15 AM
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
| Also just to point it out, Re:Zero is not a shonen. Neither is it tagged with action nor adventure. Action has always been an added bonus in Re:Zero, but in my opinion ReZero is at its best in seasons like this. The backstories have cleared up so many questions and have been really entertaining. I haven't found it slow, and to me it hasn't been boring at all. I feel like its really proving itself to be a psychological anime. And the best is yet to come, after watching the OP im assuming we're gonna get some awesome battles eventually this season too. In my opinion, this is the best season yet! |
| Yeah, It has got a really long lore and great-slow character development. The background of characters are really interesting and dialogues that describes psychology of characters are really nice to me. The shonuen fans think, that was an anime like "Killer, Banger, OP MC" ruins the "Iseaki world" and "Peace" :D BUT It is not that type of anime. That is it. This is real Re:Zero. Yeah arcs are too long maybe. Dialogues are too slow maybe. But this is the best side of this anime. It gives emotions slowly to you. Just creates a lot of questions about characters and SLOWLY answers them. If you want something fast, watch something fast. It is easy. Your expectations should not and can not affect the style of anime. You should score and rank animes in their own styles. Your anime style which doesn't like long dialogues, does not make an anime bad. You can be bored but this is not about anime, simply. |
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
Atlos said: It's not as much of an issue that we are still in the sanctuary, it's an issue that the show is so bloated that it is hard to sit through. So much this. It feels like every important question that this Season tries to answer, it just creates 5 more questions and the viewer will eventually not hold all the information. Episode 6 was a bit better in that department, but I'm not that confident this Season will try to progress things smoothly. |
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LilBoOfficial said: Yeah, it is not a shonen because it doesn't get published in a "shonen" manga magazine. Terms such as shonen, seinen, shojo, and josei are for manga publications.Also just to point it out, Re:Zero is not a shonen. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
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