What was Rudeus mental age when he groped and tried to remove the panties from the sleeping 9 years old child?
| Probably that of a teenager. But you know mental age and actual age are 2 different things right? All it takes is a simple google search tbh. Someone can have the mental age of 35 but be a 16 year old. Someone could have the mental age of a 16 year old but be 35. Mental age correlates with IQ, maturity, etc. |
AnimeLeviathanFeb 16, 2021 4:16 PM
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skysurf said: What was Rudeus mental age when he groped and tried to remove the panties from the sleeping 9 years old child? Does anyone know? This would be helpful to understand the character development of this MC. Considering in the previous life he had become a manchild for decades ever since he got bullied in high school I would guess 15 or 16. Not to mentioned he secluded himself and went into becoming hikkikomori and only use the internet and anime/manga as his social activity. He never matured properly in the past because of how his lifestyle. That's my take on his character mental age. |
Angry_onion said: skysurf said: What was Rudeus mental age when he groped and tried to remove the panties from the sleeping 9 years old child? Does anyone know? This would be helpful to understand the character development of this MC. Considering in the previous life he had become a manchild for decades ever since he got bullied in high school I would guess 15 or 16. Not to mentioned he secluded himself and went into becoming hikkikomori and only use the internet and anime/manga as his social activity. He never matured properly in the past because of how his lifestyle. That's my take on his character mental age. I mean you are correct. infact I might update my post to what you said because your's is actually way smarter than mine. |
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skysurf said: I think 41. he reincarnated when he was 34 and he is 7 years old then. So 41.@AnimeLeviathan @Angry_onion Cool, but I wasn't referring to "maturity level", obviously that's subjective. I'm simply trying to know the exact accumulated number of years he has lived so far until that moment. Do you know? @AnimeLeviathan For your next forum pic, put rudeus. See how many people quote you for that. |
ExcaliburAOFeb 16, 2021 4:44 PM
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skysurf said: @AnimeLeviathan @Angry_onion Cool, but I wasn't referring to "maturity level", obviously that's subjective. I'm simply trying to know the exact accumulated number of years he has lived so far until that moment. Do you know? Oh. my fault. I think you should re-name the title and the OP so its more obvious what your asking. Are you talking about his previous life, or his new life? |
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skysurf said: @AnimeLeviathan @Angry_onion Cool, but I wasn't referring to "maturity level", obviously that's subjective. I'm simply trying to know the exact accumulated number of years he has lived so far until that moment. Do you know? From what I have seen is his age in the previous life rarely matter because even in the novel that have never been the focus of the story.Personally for me it's better to see him through maturity level because that's how the author intended to tell his message throughout the story, seeing him grow from a literal manchild to a responsible adult in the new world is what makes this series interesting to many people. Edit: Seeing your post again makes me realize that the anime never stated how old Rudy again in his previous life, all we know that he's a somewhere in mid 30s based on how his and his parents appearance, that's interesting. |
Angry_onionFeb 16, 2021 4:41 PM
ExcaliburAO said: @AnimeLeviathan For your next forum pic, put rudeus. See how many people quote you for that. I'll put it up for like 2 days and see what people's reactions are. Then I'll see who my real favorite is. |
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Angry_onion said: skysurf said: @AnimeLeviathan @Angry_onion Cool, but I wasn't referring to "maturity level", obviously that's subjective. I'm simply trying to know the exact accumulated number of years he has lived so far until that moment. Do you know? From what I have seen is his age in the previous life rarely matter because even in the novel that have never been the focus of the story.Personally for me it's better to see him through maturity level because that's how the author intended to tell his message throughout the story, seeing him grow from a literal manchild to a responsible adult in the new world is what makes this series interesting to many people. Edit: Seeing your post again makes me realize that the anime never stated how old Rudy again in his previous life, all we know that he's a somewhere in mid 30s based on how his and his parents appearance, that's interesting. Unless your talking about something else. They actually do state his age in his previous life. I think its 34. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: Angry_onion said: From what I have seen is his age in the previous life rarely matter because even in the novel that have never been the focus of the story.Personally for me it's better to see him through maturity level because that's how the author intended to tell his message throughout the story, seeing him grow from a literal manchild to a responsible adult in the new world is what makes this series interesting to many people. Edit: Seeing your post again makes me realize that the anime never stated how old Rudy again in his previous life, all we know that he's a somewhere in mid 30s based on how his and his parents appearance, that's interesting. Unless your talking about something else. They actually do state his age in his previous life. I think its 34. I don't remember it honestly, I guess it's time for me to rewatch the episodes again. |
skysurf said: What was Rudeus mental age when he groped and tried to remove the panties from the sleeping 9 years old child? Does anyone know? This would be helpful to understand the character development of this MC. PS: By mental age I mean the accumulated number of years he has lived until that moment. His mental age is exactly 16. I'm a psychologist, i can tell. About "accumulated" number of years? It doesn't make any sense. He died. You cant "accumulate" lifetime is you dies, know it? |
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 https://ibb.co/C0BHm7D Op he is mentally an adult, since during the whole novels he mentions himself to be old wise, the old me ,etc, he even mention that he is a fat virgin sometimes , he has recolection on his old self all the time |
Sonson7 said: No need to be hang up on his mental age when he did that. He did a scummy thing which can't be justified. Bad does that makes a show bad? No. Like in any other shows that shows murder "which another bad thing in of itself". Does that makes a show bad or taboo. Hell No. Whether its pedophillia or sexual assault doesn't matter since they are both bad. But like you said. Just because the MC sexually assaults a minor or someone the same age as them, doesn't mean every who watches and enjoys the anime is a pedophille or likes sexual assault. Eren and Armin killed hundreds of innocents in Marley. Don't see anyone talking about that. |
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skysurf said: I28142Y said: i'd say he lived 41 years but is mentally 15-16 coz he didn't mature since he became a hikikomori It's interesting to note that even if we try to downplay his actual mental age by talking about a subjective maturity level, a hypothetical case where the MC is a 16 years old teenager going after a 9 years old child would still be clinically diagnosed as a pedophile. Rob7 said: It doesn't make any sense. He died. You cant "accumulate" lifetime is you dies, know it? I understand you are confused about the fantasy setting of this fictional show that involves reincarnation. Sorry about that. AnimeLeviathan said: Eren and Armin killed hundreds of innocents in Marley. Don't see anyone talking about that. Probably because people don't want to go off-topic here... you should be able to talk about it in that other anime forum. rdturbo said: After that period, he doesn't take sex or sexual behavior lightly. It doesn't make a difference how serious he's taking his sex life, since I was referring to his psychiatric disorder of being sexually attracted to children which is never addressed seriously in the source material and looks like it will also never be in the anime. I feel that it was a wasted chance to have the MC overcome this issue (just like he overcame his fear of going outdoors and talking to people), instead of simply being used as cheap jokes as if it's something normal and ending up: Actually read the novels before you say incorrect stuff like again, Ok? |
ExcaliburAOFeb 16, 2021 11:57 PM
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skysurf said: Why do you feel the need to exclude the the context literally right before that? You do this all the time to try to support your ‘argument.’ I was literally correcting you on a false statement and you ignore me completely to make me look bad. You said *sigh... if you want to pretend he's not making any sexual advances on them since they're little children then alright... then you completely ignore it and twist my words. Though I am not surprised given who it’s coming from. |
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skysurf said: I don’t care about him ‘making moves on them when they were children.’ That’s a whole other thing. I quoted you because you made a false statement.You said this is not true they are not ExcaliburAO said: Why do you feel the need to exclude the the context literally right before that? I usually quote key phrases to reply instead of full texts. The quote thing has a link that takes you to the original full post anyways... I don't see what's the big deal. And I don't need to make anyone "look bad" to support my argument lol... in fact, my point about the show missing an opportunity to seriously address MC's psychiatric disorder of being sexually attracted to children, does not depend on the age when he first started having sex with his wives since in the anime it's already clear that he's making moves on them ever since they're little children. Btw you also didn't address my whole argument and I didn't become mad, just cool down. Your statement is completely misleading so I corrected it. Also what argument? You don’t have any argument. I am not mad. I’m actually amused right now. If anything you are, being so obsessed with the fact they are kids. |
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skysurf said: There you go again, only quoting what suits you and completely ignoring all my other points. The way you quote me makes it so misleading. ExcaliburAO said: , being so obsessed with the fact they are kids. Uh... yes, that's exactly the issue of pedophilia. But thanks for your input. Hopefully someone else will discuss the more interesting points about character development in this thread besides "not pedo/yes pedo". Since you made it a point about the pedophilia, let me ask you this. So what? So what if it has pedophilia in it? What’s the problem with it having it in its story? Is it a bad thing to do so? Can authors not have creative freedom on what they write about? You actually think this is gratifying pedophilia? You think people are gonna look at this and think ‘you know what, I feel like groping a child now.’ If you think the pedophilia is the main part of the show, and the author put it in just because, then you clearly haven’t paid attention while watching this anime. This show actually has substance. As long as it serves the narrative well, they could do whatever the hell they want. Also you of all people should not be talking about character development. You were the one who kept bringing up pedophilia in every single thread. I could go into detail about all the development rudeus has, but you would just go ‘BUT HE’S A PEDOPHILE. THAT MEANS HE IS A BAD CHARACTER’ |
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skysurf said: Yes I do think it has value in the story. It makes him the lowest of the low. So when he eventually reaches the point where you could say he redeemed himself, it makes it all the more rewarding. Though I really shouldn’t be talking about this because when I read the novels pedophilia didn’t even cross my mind. ExcaliburAO said: This show actually has substance. As long as it serves the narrative well, they could do whatever the hell they want. You sound upset in your messages, maybe that's preventing you from abandoning a defensive stance and catch the argument being made in regards to the MC's character development. As you said, "as long as it serves the narrative well"... Do you think the pedo theme has narrative value in this story? The point is that it felt like a missed opportunity to address it more seriously in a similar way of how MC overcame his fear of outdoors and talking to people... but maybe you will continue replying about not being quoted full text and so on..... Also I am not upset. Like I said earlier, I’m actually entertained. |
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| I like how people forget that 7 yo (or infant, remember how he drooled over females of his home) should not be interested in this stuff cause he didn't even hit puberty yet. So it is clearly a 34 yo perv mind behind those actions. |
skysurf said: Noir_Alchemist said: Op he is mentally an adult, since during the whole novels he mentions himself to be old wise, the old me ,etc, he even mention that he is a fat virgin sometimes , he has recolection on his old self all the time Yeah of course. One would have to be delusional to deny the most basic premise of the story. Even anime-only viewers can easily understand that from episode 1, ever since he's a newborn he already has adult thinking, he thinks his parents are younger than him lol I was just trying to confirm the exact mental age of the dude when he groped the sleeping child. From comments here it seems it's 41... which is... quite gross. Given the fact that the anime is treating these scenes where his sexual attraction to children is evident as simple comedy moments (pervert makes a move, girl punches him, ha-ha, it's all good now, so funny), I think at this point it's safe to assume that overcoming his psychiatric disorder won't be part of any kind of "redemption" in the anime either. Sad. Mhm. Hes a "newborn". If we lived in a life without simple google searches. We'd think hes a pedophile. But, you just mentioned hes a newborn. A newborn is certainly not an adult. Sure, he has an adult brain, but that doesn't hes an adult. You can teach a 11 year old everything you know as a 34 year old. That doesn't mean the 11 year old is a pedophile for liking people his/her age. He does have adult thinking, so what? Does being reincarnated as a spider with the same memories and knowledge from human life make you a human? No. Rudeus is biologically a 7 year old, the synopsis and yourself literally called him a baby. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: Rudeus is biologically a 7 year old, the synopsis and yourself literally called him a baby. So he can't be interested in that stuff as he didn't hit puberty, so it is not Rudeus who is pedo, but authors pedo fantasies projected on MC. |
slavemaster_1991 said: AnimeLeviathan said: Rudeus is biologically a 7 year old, the synopsis and yourself literally called him a baby. So he can't be interested in that stuff as he didn't hit puberty, so it is not Rudeus who is pedo, but authors pedo fantasies projected on MC. I mean I watched porn at 7-8 and this anime has fucking reincarnation with same knowledge and memories so never say never :/. But in the case the author is a pedophille, first its a mental disorder so he can't really do shit about it until someone gets him help. Second, it won't bother me until he does stuff like molest children are watch child porn. Luckily for me I can seperate the artist from the art. Especially when I don't know who the artist is. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: slavemaster_1991 said: So he can't be interested in that stuff as he didn't hit puberty, so it is not Rudeus who is pedo, but authors pedo fantasies projected on MC. I mean I watched porn at 7-8 and this anime has fucking reincarnation with same knowledge and memories so never say never :/. But in the case the author is a pedophille, first its a mental disorder so he can't really do shit about it until someone gets him help. Second, it won't bother me until he does stuff like molest children are watch child porn. Luckily for me I can seperate the artist from the art. Especially when I don't know who the artist is. Well, tbh i am not bothered who author is, and this whole mess with pedo stuff in my opinion is not even worth it cause this whole story is just a plain, boring and generic experience, so having a degenerate mc is one of the smaller problems here. If him being this way added something to the plot - it would even be a good thing, but it just feels as an unnecessary, or even forced, addition. |
slavemaster_1991 said: AnimeLeviathan said: I mean I watched porn at 7-8 and this anime has fucking reincarnation with same knowledge and memories so never say never :/. But in the case the author is a pedophille, first its a mental disorder so he can't really do shit about it until someone gets him help. Second, it won't bother me until he does stuff like molest children are watch child porn. Luckily for me I can seperate the artist from the art. Especially when I don't know who the artist is. Well, tbh i am not bothered who author is, and this whole mess with pedo stuff in my opinion is not even worth it cause this whole story is just a plain, boring and generic experience, so having a degenerate mc is one of the smaller problems here. If him being this way added something to the plot - it would even be a good thing, but it just feels as an unnecessary, or even forced, addition. I don't even have a problem if people wanna say that certain sexual assault scenes bothered them. They bother me too. But calling me a "closet pedo" for having an opinion is seriously messed up. I heard from novel readers that him being this way does add stuff to the plot later on. I don't think the anime is really gonna get any better for your tastes though so I recommend dropping it. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: I don't even have a problem if people wanna say that certain sexual assault scenes bothered them. They bother me too. But calling me a "closet pedo" for having an opinion is seriously messed up. I heard from novel readers that him being this way does add stuff to the plot later on. I don't think the anime is really gonna get any better for your tastes though so I recommend dropping it. Yes, being called a closed pedo is too much, can agree with that. I have read some of the source and I dont remember that his perversion added anything to the story. However I found deeply troubling the fact that they went from ignoring his perversion to encouraging it later on. Like really wtf. And yes, i will not like it cause i didn't like the source, and yet I will still watch it from morbid curiosity. |
skysurf said: AnimeLeviathan said: I watched porn at 7-8 I'm sorry for you. That explains many things... Im assuming you knew the context of my sentence before quoting it but just incase let me make sure. The context was someone said "Rudeus can't be interested in that stuff(Sex) at 7." So I responded saying I watched porn at 7-8 which could make it very possible kids could be interested in that stuff. My point is by definiton of "Pedophile" he isn't one in this world but apparently what makes pedophillia immoral is the brain capacity of a 34 year old vs someone younger than 18. So basically he can trick them or some shit. But at the same time she was sleeping anyways so there was no way for her to be tricked. So its more so sexual assault. At the end of the day though I can give less shits about opinions because im still rating this anime a 9/10. People calling me a "pedophile" for enjoying fiction is just them trying to get an ego-boner. They also must not know what they're talking about because a pedophile isn't necessarily a bad person until they molest a minor or watch child porn etc. Its a mental disorder, being born doesn't make you a bad person... |
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johnwong999999 said: Edit: Just in case I need to explain even a 4 years old can understand. Rody is 7 YEARS OLD BODY with past knowledge, the same with Aang with Avatar memories from all past Avatar. Therefore Pedophile doesn't work because RUDY IS PHYSICALLY 7 YEARS OLD. If using your logic, Rody is 7 in BODY + 34 in past life, that means 41 which you brought up all the time. Rudy need to find someone around 41 which mean YOU SUPPORT PEDOPHILE ON RUDY. So which route you want to go? Because you sound like you have problem with Pedophile and keep bringing it up despite the fact that Rudy's case is not even exist in reality that I am aware of. Or are you someone who remember past life and now confusing who you should have relationship with and need help badly? that's how I see this type of reincarnation as well. you know considering the "outrange." some people have over this series I'm actually surprised that there wasn't a uproar over aang who has the past lives of some old man firebender and a bunch of other old men/women hitting on katara who is 14 at the start of season 1. also here's a meme for you.  based on some comments people had last year where they were upset that with the bookworm series and were going Nooo shes a child. now I see some of these same people going Noo RudY's An AdUlT. |
GrimAtramentFeb 17, 2021 5:46 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hassan-san said: People need to know that this Skysurf guys is a troll. Hess been in countless MT thread discussion for ages, he should already know his mental age by now. Yet he create this useless of a thread. well aware hes trolling after all he made a thread focused on the reincarnation metal/physical age debate. Then Tries to discourages people actually talking about recantation mental age/physical age debate. (because you can't discuss a concept that doesn't exist outside of fiction writing without brining up other fiction sources that use it.) and if you don't want to discuss it don't make a thread. I'm not here to convince him, but to leave an apposing stance to his. (until the mods come.) after all he made this thread with the full intent not to actually have a conversation. also hello lurker as a former MAL forum lurker myself i welcome thee. ExcaliburAO said: The adult age in this world is 15. that's because that was standard in medieval Europe and japan as well (most medieval countries actually.) back then you were also considered lucky if you made it to 30 let alone 80. unfortunately a lot of younger readers/watchers have problem separating modern values to a series that essentially takes place in medieval Europe plus magic. Noble families also regularly participated in incest to "keep the blood pure." an ironic sentence considering actual biology. |
GrimAtramentFeb 17, 2021 6:26 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| @hazarddex when I read the novel, I wasn’t really thinking at all about his actual age. The ‘pedo’ stuff didn’t even cross my mind. I wasn’t expecting this controversy at all. |
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ExcaliburAO said: @hazarddex when I read the novel, I wasn’t really thinking at all about his actual age. The ‘pedo’ stuff didn’t even cross my mind. I wasn’t expecting this controversy at all. recantation stories fall under the ship of Theseus paradox So there is no actual "right answer." to the question. For example, if you died, we made a clone with your memories. Is that still "you?" For all you know, your consciousness won't transfer, and you are dead. However, it will just be like waking up from a long nap for the clone, but the question still remains: are they fundamentally the same person? Are they you? would that count as "you being alive." to add to this Hypothetically if you were to downgrade a human to a child, they would still keep most of their memories and personality ish. Still, a lot of it would be "regressed." you would still like anime still have memories; however, being reverted back to a child would still fundamentally alter your brain back to a Childs's brain. As a fellow toaru index reader, I am sure I don't need to explain how the brain processes memories. That novel does a good job of showing how it works in volume 1. Though I learned about the human brain and psychology back in high school before I read index. Some of you're personality, or most would change over time due to the brain relearning things because how child brains development works. Your new experience would ultimately alter who you are to the point that you are no longer "that person." you were before the recantation. After all you're brain is constantly discarding information deemed "unneeded." Sorry if this give you an existential crisis. |
GrimAtramentFeb 17, 2021 7:13 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
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