[possible spoilers] if Eren do The Rumbling would you agree with him?

deg said:
since episode 5 and now episode 7 they are hinting that since Eren has the founding titan power he can activate The Rumbling and if that happens do you agree with him? i voted i do not know

Eren_Hitler said:


"Now or never", negotiating just drove the conflict to another possible conflict. If Eren loses his chance to activate it now then it's the end of him and his peoples. Cant wait for Marley to rumbles.

MAQS said:
There is a way of using the rumbling without having to kill most of humanity.

Does not mean its what Eren is going to do though

deg said:


destroying all military bases right? i can agree with that

MAQS said:


In part yes.

Using the rumbling as a deterrent.

It also needs its own Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It does keep the cycle going, but also gives Paradis the time it needs to start building diplomatic relationships with other countries, there will be decades or more before humanity technology can beat the rumbling.

Peeti said:
You are very eager to make these threads.

Peeti said:
You are very eager to make these threads.

deg said:


the story keeps being eager to point at it

deg said:


destroying all military bases right? I can agree with that

Taltibalti said:

Then what? Do you expect the rest of the world to bow down and accept the Eldian empire as the master race like they've been doing for 1000s of years prior? It'll only repeat. There will be another Carl Fritz, another Tyber. The only way to end this cycle of madness is to wipe everyone else out. Is it the nicest way? No. But unfortunately, it is the only way.

deg said:


there is no such thing as long lasting peace LOGH already shows that what people can do is delay war as much as possible

the main problem is the Titan power

Taltibalti said:


That's my point. If they only wipe out the world's military the rest of the world will eventually rise and revolt.

deg said:


the other user i was replying to said it good The Rumbling against the military bases can act as a deterrent like the nuclear deterrent in real life then diplomacy can start just like in real life since this manga is labeled as fans as being realistic fiction

if you make Eldians the only race remaining and repopulate earth then what they will eventually fight for the titan founding power too or they will always get brainwashed and live in old school lifestyle since advancing science and technology will be a threat to the the titan power later on anyway

Taltibalti said:


I see. Both options will eventually lead to tragedy.

Not everyone will accept diplomacy even in the face of certain death. When enraged by anger they lose all sense of logic, look at s1 eren and gabi as an example. Also, countries that decide to make peace will always have rebels.

While a genocide route will eventually lead to corruption if the power of the 9 isn't somehow suppressed by that point.

The big difference between the two imo is that a diplomatic approach doesn't all of a sudden rule out corruption. Additionally, the duration of peace following the genocide option will far outlive a diplomatic approach imo. I just can't expect the world to listen, I personally think it's naive. Ultimately both options will lead to tragedy, I just chose the one that would last longer.

Btw I chose genocide is wrong, although I believe it's the only way.

MAQS said:


It as Naive as the allies in WW2 forgiving Germany and helping them rebuild.

Also, it is the best option because, even if it fails, guess who can still destroy the world, Paradis.

Using this approach changes nothing, they can still use the Rumbling if all else fails.

But it is the humane way to go about it.

Taltibalti said:

MAQS said:


Paradis is not Germany, its the allies, its the one who has the power to forgive.

And the people capable of doing so too.

Taltibalti said:


Do you see Paradis as the Allies and the rest of the world as the Axis. It would clear up the misunderstanding that I have.

PrincessJcbOnYT said:

There is no right or wrong in war, Solely Winner and Loser. You don’t win wars by being the better person, you win by sacrifice. Wether that be your humanity or your life. At the end of the day if he does, his goal would be to save his friends and family, so wether he has to kill innocent people I don’t think it matters. Because at the end of the day he would be the winner

PrincessJcbOnYT said:
no I’m just saying that Eren doesn’t care, neither would I. Nature of war isn’t really an excuse it’s just a fact of the situation

DomineLkira said:
No. Eren would be doing the exact shit Marleyans were doing for 100s of years . And as we have learned it isn't exactly the best way to go about things.
Even though I would like the rumbling to happen ngl. Apocalyptic endings are dope and interesting.

PrincessJcbOnYT said:
Not all war is the same, in this situation Eren finds it to be the best option. He wants to save his friends and loved ones. If he doesn’t fight he will Lose. “If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don't fight, you can't win”

deg said:


exactly in fiction apocalypse ending are interesting but this story is labeled as realistic fiction hence Eren is not as cool as Thanos at least here



he wants to save his friends err im a manga reader so my lips are sealed on that one

youre thinking in black and white (or all or nothing) like Eren

deg said:


by that logic all wars in history should end up with total killing of the losers but that does not happen in real life

kyouma666 said:


I personally think it's better to destroy the cycle rather than to preserve it. Killing them completely means destroying every remnant of the spirit of fighting back and getting revenge just like he did. He knows very well the power of revenge.

deg said:


so to end the cycle of hate just kill all the haters

again this is classic black and white (or all or nothing) thinking that Eren does too and that kind of thinking is both a fallacy and a mental health issue but im only targeting Eren here though and not you

Taltibalti said:

Damn. I don't know what kind of haters you have but I'm pretty sure mine aren't trying to genocide my entire race including my friends and family off the face of the Earth.

manelist1 said:
If I were an Eldian I would agree with Eren, but if I were a Marleyan or from any other part of the world no.

deg said:
@PrincessJcbOnYT
@pieckfiction99

war can be stop or have less damage this is world genocide level of damage, youre just making the nature of war here as an excuse to do world genocide without thinking of lessening the bloodshed if you ask me what are this alternative then feel free to read the entire thread

Taltibalti said:
@deg


Can you name a group in real life that wields weapons of mass destruction while being tormented by almost the entire world with the threat of being driven to extinction? I cannot. But I agree with you that AoT isn't realistic, it takes aspects from the real world and dials it up to the max. I don't know if you are a manga reader or not but the Paridisians will be pushed to extinction without retaliation.

deg said:



how about germany and japan in the past when they started world wars? there is still much racism for both today especially with japan and im sure some of the haters of japan is thinking like Eren

and yep Attack on Titan is not realistic at all i do not know why fans keeps labeling it like that because like you said its all or nothing aka black and white scenarios when you said the story dials it up to the max or extreme

im a manga reader

deg said:
@pieckfiction99

as i said we already talk about this on the previous replies on this thread hint like in real life there is nuclear deterrence (the colossal titans are nukes) and diplomacy

i sure would not like Eren to be one of the world leaders in real life with his black and white thinking

Taltibalti said:


I recommend you study the German nuclear weapons program and the Japan's effort to create nuclear weapons(There's a lot of info lacking for this one cause it wasn't that big)

Both forces attempted to create weapons of mass destruction but ultimately failed in doing so. It was only when the successful Manhattan project sent "little boy" and "fat man" were deployed to Hiroshima and Nagaski respectfully. This left Japan weakened without any weapons of mass destruction resulting in their surrender. Germany on the other hand surrendered after the suicide of Hitler, the fall of Berlin, and the reoccupation of territories. This left yet another weakened country without any weapons of mass destruction.

On the other hand, Paradis is the only place with weapons of mass destruction a la the wall titans while the rest of the world doesn't have anything to fight back against it.

I'm not sure whether or not we learn the same thing as I'm from Canada and this is what I was taught. Perhaps you are from a different country with a different perspective on WW2 but this is what was taught in my books.

pieckfiction99 said:


If you're going to use the colossal titan as a deterrent you're going to have to ship Armin to every major nation of the Marleyan alliance, which is unrealistic logistically. Also, diplomacy is a weak tool and does nothing to end the cycle of hatred. Any country can break agreements on a whim due to primitive human emotions such as fear or hatred. Is Eren morally justified? Obviously not. But morality is a construct that differs from the situation that he is in.

Even if diplomacy is reached, Eldians will still be persecuted and hated. Once other countries build an actual nuclear bomb they can just bomb Paradis relentlessly. You're advocating kicking a can down the road and hoping that it does not explode. Sooner or later it will. The rumbling is a permanent solution to this.