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Dec 6, 2020 2:21 PM
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Let me start by saing that i still like the show and would put it at the same rank as Highschool of The Dead, however many things in the show happen because the Author said so, rather then because they must happen acording to the rules of the show.

1. The Oath about cheating is worthless in 2 ways.

- If the oaths really do force people to follow them, then should not every game start with both players agreeing to play 2 games before the real game where they both lose on purpose to put a spell spell on themselves in the lines of:

" If i lose i will only tell the truth for 1 hour before the actual game , during the actual game and after the actual game"?
"If i lose , i will confess to the ways i can cheat during the game and the ways i will cheat during the game, if there are any"

Basicly if either of the players dose not conform to this, would that not be implicit proof that they ARE CHEATING?

The Second way the Cheating Oath is worthless is that the only actual way we were shown within the show that can make a game lost by cheating is only if the player who cheated agrees he cheated. I am saying this because our protagonists knew of how the other guys were cheating, yet did not act because they supposedly did not have proof. The problem here is that none of the other oaths require proof of anything. You don't have to prove that X is killing you right now, because they just Can't.

Well damn, The Crown investigated itself and decided that the Crown is not guilty...........

Why can't u just chant " The othey guy is cheating" until the rules themselves decide if they are guilty or not? The 10 rules have been shown to be strong enough to stop beings that previous to Tet's Ascention were, his equals in power (Old Deus). But no, the cheater has to decide if he cheated or not.

Basicly the Cheating Oath either dose not apply in any way or the people in the show just don't want to make obvious things in order to stop it.


Another thing that bothers me is that Its impossible to lie in this world, yet people still pretend like its possible, again with the "Lose on purpose, to prove something" Method i mentioned before.

Another thing that bothers me is that nobody knew that the Eastern Federation knew of such an advanced technology because of 2 things.

1. We know from NGNL 0 that there existed a race of Robots(i have not seen the movie, but what i said is still true)
2. While its true that theoreticly no country could enter the Eastern Federation's territory , that means nothing of individuals. Hell it says nothing of countries either now that i think about it, since Avantheim is a Phantasma, corect? And its also the house of some Flugel , yet its allowed to just flow to wherever the fuck it wants to regardless if its their country or not?? Do these countries not own their Air Space? Even if we ignore that, Can't individuals just stroll in there and look at things? Jibril certantly did not seem to have any problem just going into Elkia and winning the library despite the fact that she never had any express right given by the king to enter the country, same for Fi . Why can't an elf or anyone who knows magic just go invisible and steal information? Or link their vision to someone from within like Fi did with Kurami at the end.

Hmm, lets actually analyze the rules themselves and see how many are actual rules.

1. All murder, war, and robbery is forbidden in this world.(So can Elves/Flugels just mind control others? There is nothing that specifies slavery after all.)
2. All conflict in this world will be resolved through games.
3. In games, each player will bet something that they agree is of equal value.

This one is either a straight out lie, or just irelevant. Its either a lie because we see things bet against each other that are clearly not of equal value, such as the life of 2 people for a bag of coins in the case of the first game Sora and Shiro played (that we saw while on Disboard), Information about how someone cheated(Sora vs Steph), information that they did not even have might i add, against a place to live/ potential full of slavery and so on. Or its irelevant because its excused under the idea that people value other things in different ways, but if that is true then the rule itself means nothing. What is the point of a rule( a divine rule at that) if the rules change based on the opinion of those involved.

4. As long as it doesn't violate pledge three, anything may be bet, and any game may be played.
5. The challenged party has the right to decide the rules of the game.

This is one of the most annoying rules because of how far it can be bent. What irritated me about this rule is how far the Eastern Federation went in abusing this rule. The game took place like a month away from when the challenge was made and they took out anything of value from the land the challenger was promised. Imagine if the Blond lady from the start did the same. Just turn the bag upside down pour out the coins, and give them the goddamned bag. What is the point of being the challenger if your challenge means nothing? The other party can just say " Sure, see you 5394305974305437584375 years from now on the the planet that is in between the Sun and the planet Koprulu 6" or some shit.

This Rule would make sense if the option to decline Challenges would not exist. This rule was probably created under the assumption that, if a player challenged another, he only did so because he had a plan prepared beforehand, and this this rule would give the Defender a chance to win. But , as the option to full on Decline the Game or just bullshit your way out of playing anyway exists, then i see no reason for this rule to exists.

This rule is just a spit in the face.

6. Any bets made in accordance with the pledges must be upheld.
7. Conflicts between groups will be conducted by designated representatives with absolute authority.
8. Being caught cheating during a game is grounds for an instant loss.

As I said before this rule is a straight out lie . Kurami was caught and nothing happened.(sora saw the purple light touch the board and concluded that was the mind control spell.....but the referee was there and he said nothing, despite the fact that something fishy was clearly happening)

9. In the name of god, the previous rules may never be changed.
10. Let's all have fun and play together!

The last 2 rules are Literaly NOTHING. Not figuratively , LITERALY.

SO out of the 10 Oaths , 1,2,4,6 and 7(also 2 implies 4 and 6, so it could be argues those are Stupid too) are the only ones that are divinely enforced, 9 and 10 are Literaly Nothing, and the other 3 are straight out lies. All that talk Sora and Shiro had about the 10 Convenant not having rules that must not be followed, meanwhile half of them are not even rules.
Dec 14, 2020 12:03 AM
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That's because this is a "fake" intelligent anime. I never really liked it from the beginning to be honest.
Dec 14, 2020 7:58 PM
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You would reconsider if you read the light novels
Dec 14, 2020 8:03 PM
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I agree with you on most of these things. A ot of the logic is pretty questionable. I imagine most races would be slaves by now tbh.
Dec 15, 2020 5:33 AM
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Lunamana69 said:
You would reconsider if you read the light novels
Then iluminate us.......
Dec 15, 2020 5:40 AM
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I don't even remember the story, all I remember are the cringe jokes and obscure references tbh.
Dec 15, 2020 12:49 PM
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SinOfSlothKing said:
Lunamana69 said:
You would reconsider if you read the light novels
Then iluminate us.......

In the novels To do anything to anyone would require at least the subconscious mind to consent to do so, this explains how people can have sex since sex technically harms the other person in a way, also anything considered intent to harm someone else is block by tet aka. the one who writes the rules so mind slavery won't be allowed because it counts as robbery of your rights as an ixseeds
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Dec 15, 2020 2:39 PM
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For rule 3, it's betting what both sides agree is valuable, meaning if someone bets their lives they get to be the decider of if the opponents bet is of equal value, since the value of ones life can only be disided by the person in control of that life
Dec 15, 2020 2:49 PM
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For rule 5, the time at which the game is start is irrelevant when desiding the game, sora gave them time to make an official decision, so it's sora's fault for allowing it.
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For rule 8, if someone says you cheated that person would need to prove that you cheated, for, if there is no proof needed than anyone could win by saying that the opponent cheated, in turn results in chaos, also tet is ok with cheating because it makes the games he can see more fun.
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no game no life isnt even a good anime its just got cute characters and a different colour theme but the rest of it is pretty shit like i dont remember anything except that they play games
Dec 16, 2020 5:41 AM
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Your answer for rule 3 explains nothing, since that is how things work in real life too. People buy things and pay according to if they believe that what they buy is worth their money. Guess what, God did not place a rule to make that a thing, because that is a thing in general. My point about rule 3 is that there is no need for a divine rule when the rule enforces what already happens regardless.

Your answer for Rule 5 also does not address any of my problems with it.

1. Sora allowed it? He has no choice in the matter, since the opposition decides.
2. Again, the problem with this rule is that it enforces something in a divine way, that dose not need to be enforced in a divine way.

This rule would make sense IF and ONLY IF, the chalanged party did not have the right to back down from a challange, but that is not true, which is why this rule is pointless.

If you challange someone to a game, ofc they wont agree to a game made by your rules , which means that the only way to get games to start is to agree to let the opponent chose the game anyway.

See that? The normal turn of events does not change regardless of the rule, because the rule enforces reality rather than something that needs enforcing.


Your answer to rule 8 also ignores any of the points i laid out. Proof?

The problem with proof in ngnl, is that its very easy to prove anything. The moment you know how they cheat , accuse them and then tell them that they need to intentionally lose against you in a game that would force them to admit if they cheated or not. If they decline that game, then its proof enough that they ARE CHEATING. On the other hand the second problem with proof is that , again, its the cheater that decides what qualifies as proof, which means that all they need to do to prove they are not cheating is to DENY IT. That is all they need to do.

Basicly cheating in this world is either impossible to prove or impossible to not prove.
Dec 17, 2020 6:07 AM
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1. "Being caught cheating during a game is grounds for an instant loss." (taken from wiki)
The rule does not intend to prevent cheating in any way. It is assumed to be a part of the game. What is considered a proof is not specified. Well, this is pretty much an obvious leeway for the author to do some asspulls.

1. Elf and Flugels can NOT mind control (source - wiki). The elf did control the pieces in the chess game. This 1st rule pretty much prohibits violence.

3. It pretty much "something that is agreed to be of equal value",basically, anything goes as long as both parties are satisfied.

5. You've taken this one to absurd. It's pretty much a common sense if you challenge somebody they have a right to choose the rules. The rule exists for simple "you challenge - opponent sets the rules" and NOT to avoid games. It's "No game No life" not just "No game".

In the case with blonde lady the MC asked her to bet the money NOT the bag.
Also the land itself is valuable.

Not defending the show. But I feel that 8th rule is the only wanky one. Mostly because it is not specified what is considered to be a proof of cheating.
edit: you also talk about how during the chess game black figures' glowing purple supposed to be a proof of cheating, but theres a moment when due to shiro's commanding (not magic) some figures turn red. So purple glow can't be much of a proof I guess.




My criticism of 5 and 3 is that they are stupid for the exact reasons u specified " It's pretty much a common sense if you challenge somebody they have a right to choose the rules." EXACTLY meaning that u dont need a rule for that because its common sense. Again, if the chalanged party DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLINE, then the rule would make sense, otherwise, the opponent chosing the game is common sense, since they would not want to play a game that they suspect its rigged against them

Let me explain why 3 is stupid.

We are allways under the force of gravity. Lets assume GOD made gravity as a rule of existence, but gravity can just be overruled because u feel grumpy that day or something. THE COMANDMENT IS NOT DIVINE IF ITS UP FOR INTERPRETATION.


My problem with the rules that are completly useless is that it makes it obvious that the author wanted 10 rules just because and several of them are just bullshit to reach the number 10.
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SinOfSlothKing said:
qcxw said:

1. "Being caught cheating during a game is grounds for an instant loss." (taken from wiki)
The rule does not intend to prevent cheating in any way. It is assumed to be a part of the game. What is considered a proof is not specified. Well, this is pretty much an obvious leeway for the author to do some asspulls.

1. Elf and Flugels can NOT mind control (source - wiki). The elf did control the pieces in the chess game. This 1st rule pretty much prohibits violence.

3. It pretty much "something that is agreed to be of equal value",basically, anything goes as long as both parties are satisfied.

5. You've taken this one to absurd. It's pretty much a common sense if you challenge somebody they have a right to choose the rules. The rule exists for simple "you challenge - opponent sets the rules" and NOT to avoid games. It's "No game No life" not just "No game".

In the case with blonde lady the MC asked her to bet the money NOT the bag.
Also the land itself is valuable.

Not defending the show. But I feel that 8th rule is the only wanky one. Mostly because it is not specified what is considered to be a proof of cheating.
edit: you also talk about how during the chess game black figures' glowing purple supposed to be a proof of cheating, but theres a moment when due to shiro's commanding (not magic) some figures turn red. So purple glow can't be much of a proof I guess.




My criticism of 5 and 3 is that they are stupid for the exact reasons u specified " It's pretty much a common sense if you challenge somebody they have a right to choose the rules." EXACTLY meaning that u dont need a rule for that because its common sense. Again, if the chalanged party DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLINE, then the rule would make sense, otherwise, the opponent chosing the game is common sense, since they would not want to play a game that they suspect its rigged against them

Let me explain why 3 is stupid.

We are allways under the force of gravity. Lets assume GOD made gravity as a rule of existence, but gravity can just be overruled because u feel grumpy that day or something. THE COMANDMENT IS NOT DIVINE IF ITS UP FOR INTERPRETATION.


My problem with the rules that are completly useless is that it makes it obvious that the author wanted 10 rules just because and several of them are just bullshit to reach the number 10.

Rule 3 must be possible, if you bet for the opponent to run 100 miles in 10 seconds the opponent if not physically able to do they will try to fullfil it, but fail, the light novels talk about how if it's impossible it can't happen.

Rule 5 makes sure the challenged can pick a game they're good at, so that if lives are bet from your side, you get the advantage.
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Ok, both of you, i feel like i am arguing with a brick wall here.

I will say this again for the last time.

What i contest about rules 3 and 5 is that they are not needed, and are a clear indication that the author just wanted to reach 10 rules, and that them as divine rules are ridiculous.

As for the gravity thing being a universal constant.......exactly u fool, its a constant that is not negociable, or dose not change based on the opinion of those involved, that is how a divine law should be ffs. (Also unlike the 10 oaths, u are not forced to follow the 10 comandments in any way)

Also 3 is also proven to be false, since there is at least 1 game where the participants did not agree to what the other party wins.(Sora vs Steph, the blackjack game)
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SinOfSlothKing said:
Ok, both of you, i feel like i am arguing with a brick wall here.

I will say this again for the last time.

What i contest about rules 3 and 5 is that they are not needed, and are a clear indication that the author just wanted to reach 10 rules, and that them as divine rules are ridiculous.

As for the gravity thing being a universal constant.......exactly u fool, its a constant that is not negociable, or dose not change based on the opinion of those involved, that is how a divine law should be ffs. (Also unlike the 10 oaths, u are not forced to follow the 10 comandments in any way)

Also 3 is also proven to be false, since there is at least 1 game where the participants did not agree to what the other party wins.(Sora vs Steph, the blackjack game)

Rebuttal of 3, it's not false, because the party's involved with that 1 game when shouting achente confirmed to any detail involved, also no rule states that you have to tell the opponent what you get if you win, if a party involved shouts achente before all sides have stated what they win; it counts as the loophole to the rule; which is that the winning side not stating what they win can ask for anything and everything they want as long as it's possible for the losing side/sides to achieve, but if not possible, the side/sides in question will get as close as possible to achieving the thing/things at hand.
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SinOfSlothKing said:
Ok, both of you, i feel like i am arguing with a brick wall here.

I will say this again for the last time.

What i contest about rules 3 and 5 is that they are not needed, and are a clear indication that the author just wanted to reach 10 rules, and that them as divine rules are ridiculous.

As for the gravity thing being a universal constant.......exactly u fool, its a constant that is not negociable, or dose not change based on the opinion of those involved, that is how a divine law should be ffs. (Also unlike the 10 oaths, u are not forced to follow the 10 comandments in any way)

Also 3 is also proven to be false, since there is at least 1 game where the participants did not agree to what the other party wins.(Sora vs Steph, the blackjack game)

Rebuttal of 5, it's not stated that it is a universal law, the 9th rule says that the rules above it will not be changed or altered, not at all stating any of the rules above it as universal laws, that the universal law argument can not be compared to it, also it means the rules wording not at all does it say that anything involved in the enforcing of the rules that the values involved have to be universally of equal value.

P.s. all I'm doing is trying to show that the light novel explains the rule and their loopholes, though not all at once
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Lunamana69 said:

Rebuttal of 5, it's not stated that it is a universal law, the 9th rule says that the rules above it will not be changed or altered, not at all stating any of the rules above it as universal laws, that the universal law argument can not be compared to it, also it means the rules wording not at all does it say that anything involved in the enforcing of the rules that the values involved have to be universally of equal value.

P.s. all I'm doing is trying to show that the light novel explains the rule and their loopholes, though not all at once
All of them are universal laws for the series, but if u want a better comparison, then imagine there is a world where people have super powers and one person comes and sais that his power is the ability to breath.......well ofc he has the ability to breath, why would he need a super power to do that? Basicly rule 5 uses the divine to justify the basic. Same for rule 3.
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Let me start by saing that i still like the show and would put it at the same rank as Highschool of The Dead, however many things in the show happen because the Author said so, rather then because they must happen acording to the rules of the show.

1. The Oath about cheating is worthless in 2 ways.

- If the oaths really do force people to follow them, then should not every game start with both players agreeing to play 2 games before the real game where they both lose on purpose to put a spell spell on themselves in the lines of:

" If i lose i will only tell the truth for 1 hour before the actual game , during the actual game and after the actual game"?
"If i lose , i will confess to the ways i can cheat during the game and the ways i will cheat during the game, if there are any"

Basicly if either of the players dose not conform to this, would that not be implicit proof that they ARE CHEATING?

The Second way the Cheating Oath is worthless is that the only actual way we were shown within the show that can make a game lost by cheating is only if the player who cheated agrees he cheated. I am saying this because our protagonists knew of how the other guys were cheating, yet did not act because they supposedly did not have proof. The problem here is that none of the other oaths require proof of anything. You don't have to prove that X is killing you right now, because they just Can't.

Well damn, The Crown investigated itself and decided that the Crown is not guilty...........

Why can't u just chant " The othey guy is cheating" until the rules themselves decide if they are guilty or not? The 10 rules have been shown to be strong enough to stop beings that previous to Tet's Ascention were, his equals in power (Old Deus). But no, the cheater has to decide if he cheated or not.

Basicly the Cheating Oath either dose not apply in any way or the people in the show just don't want to make obvious things in order to stop it.


Another thing that bothers me is that Its impossible to lie in this world, yet people still pretend like its possible, again with the "Lose on purpose, to prove something" Method i mentioned before.

Another thing that bothers me is that nobody knew that the Eastern Federation knew of such an advanced technology because of 2 things.

1. We know from NGNL 0 that there existed a race of Robots(i have not seen the movie, but what i said is still true)
2. While its true that theoreticly no country could enter the Eastern Federation's territory , that means nothing of individuals. Hell it says nothing of countries either now that i think about it, since Avantheim is a Phantasma, corect? And its also the house of some Flugel , yet its allowed to just flow to wherever the fuck it wants to regardless if its their country or not?? Do these countries not own their Air Space? Even if we ignore that, Can't individuals just stroll in there and look at things? Jibril certantly did not seem to have any problem just going into Elkia and winning the library despite the fact that she never had any express right given by the king to enter the country, same for Fi . Why can't an elf or anyone who knows magic just go invisible and steal information? Or link their vision to someone from within like Fi did with Kurami at the end.

Hmm, lets actually analyze the rules themselves and see how many are actual rules.

1. All murder, war, and robbery is forbidden in this world.(So can Elves/Flugels just mind control others? There is nothing that specifies slavery after all.)
2. All conflict in this world will be resolved through games.
3. In games, each player will bet something that they agree is of equal value.

This one is either a straight out lie, or just irelevant. Its either a lie because we see things bet against each other that are clearly not of equal value, such as the life of 2 people for a bag of coins in the case of the first game Sora and Shiro played (that we saw while on Disboard), Information about how someone cheated(Sora vs Steph), information that they did not even have might i add, against a place to live/ potential full of slavery and so on. Or its irelevant because its excused under the idea that people value other things in different ways, but if that is true then the rule itself means nothing. What is the point of a rule( a divine rule at that) if the rules change based on the opinion of those involved.

4. As long as it doesn't violate pledge three, anything may be bet, and any game may be played.
5. The challenged party has the right to decide the rules of the game.

This is one of the most annoying rules because of how far it can be bent. What irritated me about this rule is how far the Eastern Federation went in abusing this rule. The game took place like a month away from when the challenge was made and they took out anything of value from the land the challenger was promised. Imagine if the Blond lady from the start did the same. Just turn the bag upside down pour out the coins, and give them the goddamned bag. What is the point of being the challenger if your challenge means nothing? The other party can just say " Sure, see you 5394305974305437584375 years from now on the the planet that is in between the Sun and the planet Koprulu 6" or some shit.

This Rule would make sense if the option to decline Challenges would not exist. This rule was probably created under the assumption that, if a player challenged another, he only did so because he had a plan prepared beforehand, and this this rule would give the Defender a chance to win. But , as the option to full on Decline the Game or just bullshit your way out of playing anyway exists, then i see no reason for this rule to exists.

This rule is just a spit in the face.

6. Any bets made in accordance with the pledges must be upheld.
7. Conflicts between groups will be conducted by designated representatives with absolute authority.
8. Being caught cheating during a game is grounds for an instant loss.

As I said before this rule is a straight out lie . Kurami was caught and nothing happened.(sora saw the purple light touch the board and concluded that was the mind control spell.....but the referee was there and he said nothing, despite the fact that something fishy was clearly happening)

9. In the name of god, the previous rules may never be changed.
10. Let's all have fun and play together!

The last 2 rules are Literaly NOTHING. Not figuratively , LITERALY.

SO out of the 10 Oaths , 1,2,4,6 and 7(also 2 implies 4 and 6, so it could be argues those are Stupid too) are the only ones that are divinely enforced, 9 and 10 are Literaly Nothing, and the other 3 are straight out lies. All that talk Sora and Shiro had about the 10 Convenant not having rules that must not be followed, meanwhile half of them are not even rules.


Damn I created this account just for this, LOL so anyway:

1.) No, Races with Race Piece were protected by the Covenants to avoid such thing. IIRC Kurami states that losing a Race Piece means that the Covenants won't apply to that certain race anymore which means they'll be a slave and basically no rights protrct themselves to anyone who seized their Race Piece.

3.) Understanding your opponents personality helps you bait them into playing a game with you. Sora and Shiro have nothing valuable at the start of the series so they bait the Blonde chick by betting their own life knowing how greedy humans(Imanities?) are.

5.) Can't really say anything that may satisfy you. Use your common sense.

8.) Imanities can't detect magic. The judge is an Immanity. How can Sora notices that? Well he's not an Immanity, he and Shiro may technically be an Immanity but as Jibril states, they aren't even defined as life there in Exceed

You may ask me or others why the Shrine Maiden never points out how Sora cheats the coin toss by moving the slate causing it to be stuck at the gap making the game as tie. Well it is explained in the Novel, Shrine Maiden herself may point out the irregularities but she deduce that she gain more and Sora will gain less if she agrees as a tie. She may point out that irregularity at anytime but why? Well it's because she can't understand why Sora will cheat at Eastern Union's Favor and she cannot understand his inner motives.

9.) I myself dont understand that rule

10.) Sora and Shiro explain why they never want to take Eastern Union's Race Piece. Conquering and enslaving other's by taking their Race Piece, where's the fun in that? Isn't that the same as the Great War except you have the choice not to he enslave by being rejecting each challenge no matter what they (Sora and Shiro) bet?

Tet wants for each race to unite and use their knowledge and resources to challenge him, the One True God
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None of what you said adresses my points. And i dont mean something along the lines of "u missed 50% of my points", no i mean u missed 100% of them. Read it again and give an actual response.
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None of what you said adresses my points. And i dont mean something along the lines of "u missed 50% of my points", no i mean u missed 100% of them. Read it again and give an actual response.


Welp I hope you give the series a thought before writing this criticism. Because as far as I know, the only thing that wasn't explained thoroughly is how sora cheats on the first episode. Anything I've said is
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None of what you said adresses my points. And i dont mean something along the lines of "u missed 50% of my points", no i mean u missed 100% of them. Read it again and give an actual response.


Welp I hope you give the series a thought before writing that criticism because number 3 and 5 are very logical and if you undersrand the story, you can pretty much understand rule 1 and 10

Not trying to be rude but maybe you just read what I've said and never bother to understand them.
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I give up........i tryed.
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The one who does logical fallacy is you, that in addition with you ignoring the criticism i put forward in the original post.

Just reread the original post and try again.

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