| "phone game" Oof. |
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| Nothing beats good old retro gaming. I'm playing some snes era rpgs again and boy does it feel good without all that flashy Hollywood explosions, graphics and special effects. I can read text at my own leisure and have my own interpretations of how the character would sound. I can use my imagination on that simple sprite jump. BACK IN MY DAY THERE WAS NO PREDATORY SURPRISE MECHANICS. |
| That actually looks pretty damn good for a phone game. Looks better than original Nier even. Hopefully it actually plays decent and doesn't have mobile game bullshit. Huh, that was surprising. Was thinking that at best, he would slightly dislike the ending but find the rest of the game so amazing that the ending wouldn't matter, but seeing him get super hyped over the ending itself was...unexpected. |
-Sherou-Apr 18, 2020 8:56 AM
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| Nier games work so well because they have a story that starts and ends. I'm honestly not sure how this can translate in any way shape or form into an infinitely playable microtransaction-infested mobile game. Most likely with gacha on top. I'm not optimistic about this tbh. |
| At least people who only like Yoko Taro for the Nier setting can play this instead of SINoAlice. |
-Sherou- said: Huh, that was surprising. Was thinking that at best, he would slightly dislike the ending but find the rest of the game so amazing that the ending wouldn't matter, but seeing him get super hyped over the ending itself was...unexpected. Same. He went on for 2 hours worth of gushing and fan theorizing too. Good for him honestly. I wish I still had that kind of passion but I just don't like being baited and messed around with. I guess it's an age and patience thing after dealing with too much paper work and people that talk for hours when what they said can be summed up in one small paragraph or less. Probably the reason why I dipped out of Kingdom Hearts after 2 as well. Just give me a god damn exciting story with twist and turns that adds up in the end and all loose questions can be answered if you look deep enough within the plot. It was funny seeing everyone in chat calling the final chapter "Kingdom Hearts", "Darkness", "Tetsuya Nomura at it again with his bullshit" etc. Seeing it a second time with it's sudden shift in tone and pacing was incredibly jarring. It was like jumping from Midgar and straight into Disk 4's final battle. Jeremy Jahn's has a review video up too and also addressed having issues with padding and pacing which I fully agree on. I can't wait for his spoiler review. |
| Like this guy's videos |
| I hope they milk the shit out of FFVII so they don't touch the others to be honest. Let's take a game you love, make it so good and better in every way, and then shoe horn a plot device that drastically changes the remaining 75% of the story. Aren't you happy? Everything will be new and fresh again and there's a chance for a happy ending for everyone! We also get to fuck around with your minds and get a good laugh at all your crackpot theories. We will probably not answer anything in the end and do spin offs and dlcs. Yes people! Keep talking about our product and wanting answers! If you like this direction, good for you. I'm just an old grump. I swear if Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition pulls this shit too I'll wave my old man stick and cry. |
GenkiiApr 18, 2020 8:49 PM
| I'm not sure f this counts as asking for spoilers or not, but I'll ask anyway. Did they actually change the story? Unless I'm misunderstanding, what you guys are saying seems to imply that they fundamentally changed the story and it isn't actually an enhanced remake after all, but something original? The less the answer is filled with details of the story events themselves, the better. |
astroprogsApr 18, 2020 8:54 PM
| gonna guess its some remake but goes new content 1/4 of the way in from > make it so good and better in every way, and then shoe horn a plot device that drastically changes the remaining 75% of the story. this i could just google the answer but ew |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
astroprogs said: I'm not sure f this counts as asking for spoilers or not, but I'll ask anyway. Did they actually change the story? Unless I'm misunderstanding, what you guys are saying seems to imply that they fundamentally changed the story and it isn't actually an enhanced remake after all, but something original? The less the answer is filled with details of the story events themselves, the better. I'll give you the name of an anime that'll give you a general idea of what the remake is. |
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: I'm not sure f this counts as asking for spoilers or not, but I'll ask anyway. Did they actually change the story? Unless I'm misunderstanding, what you guys are saying seems to imply that they fundamentally changed the story and it isn't actually an enhanced remake after all, but something original? The less the answer is filled with details of the story events themselves, the better. I'll give you the name of an anime that'll give you a general idea of what the remake is. Shit, I haven't seen that, so this goes all the way over my head. Could you give pleb me another example? |
| to summarise rebuild of eva for u the first movie starts off as a rushed recap but still follows the original series around halfway or even at the start of the 2nd movie, it starts going it own path and instead seems to be more of a remake/sequel |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Think of an excellent 24 episode anime adapted from a good long running manga, then put a filler ending that ruins everything. |
Mei-o_Scarlett said: to summarise rebuild of eva for u the first movie starts off as a rushed recap but still follows the original series around halfway or even at the start of the 2nd movie, it starts going it own path and instead seems to be more of a remake/sequel I mean, that sounds like it can be both good or bad, depending on how they deliver on the original's themes and the tightness of the new content. ShinsoPriest said: Think of a good 24 episode anime adapted from a good long running manga, then put a filler ending that ruins everything. Does it in FF7's case, though? It seems too early to be saying something like this when they're basically 1/3rd through the story. Like, I'm not saying it's guaranteed to be good or anything, but it's not guaranteed to be bad either. Was the ending to this part of the remake bad because it was actually bad, or because it was different and foreshadowed more differences in the future, is what I'm asking, I guess. |
astroprogsApr 18, 2020 9:27 PM
| given he said rebuild, the latter |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Yup. The remake is going to be its own thing. It's not going to replace OG FFVII, much like how Rebuild of Evangelion won't replace End of Evangelion. Faithful retelling of the classic this ain't. Whether you'll enjoy it or not, that depends on the person. Judging by Genkii's reaction though, it's not good. I haven't actually seen the ending so I dunno. |
| Huh. Interesting. This seems like a good reason to check out the original after I play the remake to see what they've changed. |
| Imagine watching Ufotable's UBW Anime and half way in (ep12?) it introduces a new plot device that pretty much derails the remaining story. So anything can happen now. Some characters that original died are now alive. There's also a chance to 'save' Saber now. ShinsoPriest said: Judging by Genkii's reaction though, it's not good. I haven't actually seen the ending so I dunno. You should watch it and form your own opinion. From what I can tell, I'm definitely in the minority. astroprogs said: This seems like a good reason to check out the original after I play the remake to see what they've changed. You should play OG first, there's a lot of things that occur that relies on you knowing the original to make sense of it for emotional impact. It's required to understand the ending too. Because future vision elements and they sandwiched in so much references to Crisis Core and Advent Children. *zips mouth* |
GenkiiApr 18, 2020 9:54 PM
| Btw, I'm kinda curious. Considering the Remake only takes place in Midgar, what's the end/post game like? Any super bosses, grinding, NG+, etc? |
| @Genkii I think I get your UBW comparison, but let me ask you this: What are the chances the final product turns out to be just as good? I mean, my problem with Last Encore wasn't that it turned out it wasn't EXTRA, it was because it was shit in every way imaginable. Also, wait, what? The remake requires you to have played the original? What? wut? |
Genkii said: ShinsoPriest said: Judging by Genkii's reaction though, it's not good. I haven't actually seen the ending so I dunno. You should watch it and form your own opinion. From what I can tell, I'm definitely in the minority. I'd like to, but I wanna go in spoiler free for when I finally get my hands on the PC version. |
| So basically it's like the Code Geass resurrection movies? |
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astroprogs said: @Genkii I think I get your UBW comparison, but let me ask you this: What are the chances the final product turns out to be just as good? I mean, my problem with Last Encore wasn't that it turned out it wasn't EXTRA, it was because it was shit in every way imaginable. Also, wait, what? The remake requires you to have played the original? What? wut? Not Gen, but in my eyes chances the final product turns out to be good aren't super high. Mostly because the plot changes in the FF7 Remake feel eerily similar to the kinds of jumping-the-shark plot twists Kingdom Hearts went through after KH2 (which also had the same project lead: Tetsuya Nomura). That ended up being extremely convuluted and self-indulgent, and I really don't trust Nomura to dial it down here after dealing with his bullshit for so many Kingdom Hearts games. And the remake requires you to have played the original because it's not a remake. Botato said: So basically it's like the Code Geass resurrection movies? Kinda, except the way FF7 Remake changes things is way more in your face about it than Resurrection. Resurrection just changes some plot points around to be able to milk the series, and if you never watched the original, you wouldn't have known, for example that whereas you will know exactly where things have changed in FF7 Remake. |
-Sherou-Apr 18, 2020 10:44 PM
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| yes why cant you be normal and just get our eva comparsions :pepehands: |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Uh, lemme try my best to be as much spoiler free as possible when I make this 'what if' comparison. Imagine: [UBW SPOILERS] UBW route remake. Half way in there's a new plot device that drastically derails everything. Now you have a UBW route B on your hand. Not only that, but during the first half there's been hints that some characters are aware that they're reliving UBW route and wants to keep things on course but minimize casulties or risk changing it for a better or worse outcome. Such as: Saving Saber. Saving Sakura. Save Illya. Free Archer. Fuck Rider in the ****. And for some reason, Gilgamesh is also aware that 'something' is up and wants to also change things up. Especially if you're gonna get disarmed and head shot later. Pfft. Shirou will constantly have these headache flashes of seeing the events of Fate and HF too. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL. There could also be an alternative timeline co-existing with yours where Kiritsugu didn't passed away and could potentially merge into your Route B story for more headspins. Liking what you're reading so far? Because a lot of people do. I'll admit if I was in my teens and twenties again I'd definitely be on board. As Sherou put's it, it's a RE-MAKE. A RE-DO. Not a HIGH BUDGET RE-TELLING. |
GenkiiApr 18, 2020 10:55 PM
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Genkii said: Nah not really feeling that tbh.Uh, lemme try my best to be as much spoiler free as possible when I make this 'what if' comparison. Imagine: [UBW SPOILERS] UBW route remake. Half way in there's a new plot device that drastically derails everything. Now you have a UBW route B on your hand. Not only that, but during the first half there's been hints that some characters are aware that they're reliving UBW route and wants to keep things on course but minimize casulties or risk changing it for a better or worse outcome. Such as: Saving Saber. Saving Sakura. Save Illya. Free Archer. Fuck Rider in the ****. And for some reason, Gilgamesh is also aware that 'something' is up and wants to also change things up. Especially if you're gonna get disarmed and head shot later. Pfft. Shirou will constantly have these headache flashes of seeing the events of Fate and HF too. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL. There could also be an alternative timeline co-existing with yours where Kiritsugu didn't passed away and could potentially merge into your Route B story for more headspins. Liking what you're reading so far? Because a lot of people do. I'll admit if I was in my teens and twenties again I'd definitely be on board. As Sherou put's it, it's a RE-MAKE. A RE-DO. Not a HIGH BUDGET RE-TELLING. I mean it sounds cool but I'd rather nasu make UBW sequel instead |
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| because the fate extra sequel went so well clearly |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Pretty cool how you can have Crow as Navigator Only for short time tho for story reason. There should be option to pick which navigator you want. "Joker, if you die now, I... I'll kill you again myself! " Gay tsun. |
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| https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1835607 this shit is destined to not see the light of the day. |
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| You Can (Not) Release |
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| Glad I stopped being a fan way before the Rebuilds released so this doesn't phase or surprise me. |
| I don't really care either tbh. Evangelion peaked at EoE. |
| i just want it to come out so the reveal rebuild is a sequel is canon and i can tell the ppl who suggest to watch rebuild instead of the original instead they can eat shit |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Someone explain to me why Shinji is the protagonist and how does his development help inspire us into thinking he is an awesome character. And then you got characters like Zack with Price of Freedom playing and all you feel is fucking tears and admiration. |
| Easier to explain plot through exposition when the protagonist is clueless on what's going on. Shinji develops? I thought he stayed a crybaby throughout the whole show, unless we talking Rebuild where he grew some balls that one time. |
| I think the only time I was somewhat impressed was when he nutted on a comatose Asuka. |
sugita has a yt channel lul |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| PS5's Launch Aiming to Be Simultaneous Worldwide uwu https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/04/ps5s_launch_aiming_to_be_simultaneous_worldwide |
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| I need to know the top 100 PS4 games that are going to run on it before I'll be interested. I'm talking perfect emulation. Had it been the entire PS4 library I wouldn't hesitate to buy day one. Every time the fan speed builds up on my PS4 it gives me so much anxiety that the system could blow up at any minute. I know plenty of folks that had to dismantle their system to clean out all the dust and cockroaches due to power up failures. |
| I'm gonna pick up the FF7: Remake as soon as I'm done playing through The Witcher 3. This'll be my first experience with FF7, with never playing the original. |
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| Play the original first. |
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| You'll like it. It's definitely worth the cost and it'll be good to hear your experience on it. Once I finish some VNs I'm going to play OG again as I really do miss it. Maybe I can get another perspective on the matter and see whether or not I'm blinded by nostalgia. It's good that people are showing interest in FF7 but I can't help but feel people are missing out on experiencing OG, Crisis Core and Advent Children. Crisis Core was a very solid prequel that set the stage for OG but the game-play was mostly forgettable. Advent Children was a very good popcorn action movie that lets you have fun with the characters again (considering the ending of OG) but ultimately added nothing. I don't mean to sound like those purist that tells you to OMG BRO READ THE VN OF FATE FIRST FOR BEST EXPERIENCE but experiencing OG, CC and AC really enhances your experience with Remake since it's pretty much a "let's reset and do things differently" timeline. Edit: Bah, just thinking of the last chapter of Remake is triggering me again considering what they throw at you. Hey remember CC and AC? Remember the good shit in the later parts of OG? HAVE IT ALL HERE!! OH YEAAAH! SEEEXY! EXPLOSIONS! DBZ FIGHTING! KINGDOM HEARTS! DARKNESSSSS! Had they not have done that I would have considered Remake to be a 9/10. |
GenkiiApr 19, 2020 5:17 PM
| Maybe when i finish the remake, i'll give the original a shot. Especially if the remake leaves me itchin for more FF7 and i know this is only the first part of the story. I also don't have a OG playstation, so i'd have to buy that first, though that isn't an issue. |
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| Why would you buy a PSX to play OG? It's been rereleased digitally on PS3, PS4, PC, Xbone, Android, iOS and Switch. Some of them even come with built-in 3x speed toggle, No random encounters, God mode, etc if you just want the story. People have no excuse on missing out other than not being interested in the FF7 brand. |
| Well i didn't know so... |
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| Even a potato laptop can emulate PSX games. Being dirt poor isn't an excuse either. |
| If you're really lazy you and you really just want the story could also do the old Watch some white dude who talks too much play it on yt |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Honestly what turn me off is how dated the graphic is. |
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