| Wouldn't they be welfare anyways |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| hey, atleast our quartz are safe. tho that Altera is tempting bc I want to transfer my NA servants over to JP regarding the no new Riyo servant, I wanna go back to the topic of them having a redesign. 1) Guda Servants got a design with proper proportions. Though idk anything about Koha Ace so I might be talking out of my ass 2) No way are they letting Jesus - the God of the most widespread religion on the planet - be a joke servant. plus Riyo Bunny Girl is marketable if you redesign her 3) might be unrelated but Bunyan's design actually works. being chibi-like while also being gigantic is a contrast that adds uniqueness to his her character. |
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| also is the event actually playable, just a story, or nothing at all? I wanna know if we're getting quartz and tickets or just another grail and lore |
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| Jesus isn't a servant, Pregnant Mary is. However that works. |
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| I am losing my mind, this event is so exciting. Can someone link me a guide for optimal farming? |
KaiserNazrin said: same logic. they ain't letting such an important figure just be for lolz.Jesus isn't a servant, Pregnant Mary is. However that works. tho there's jeanne, so yeah. |
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| That's exactly what they did with Nobunaga.. You ain't gonna see Jesus in the game why even bother talking about it. |
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| yeah but I was mostly talking about the proportions. I mean sure, they made Nobunaga a joke character, but they didn't release her in chibi form. also there's already Buddha right? and Riyo probably didn't use Jesus specifically because Nasu/ TM themselves are planning to |
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| riyo didnt use jesus cause even he aint dumb enough to go down that hole |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| eh, that works too tho I'd argue that since he used Mary, he's already down that rabbit hole |
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red-tomato said: regarding the no new Riyo servant, I wanna go back to the topic of them having a redesign. 3) might be unrelated but Bunyan's design actually works. being chibi-like while also being gigantic is a contrast that adds uniqueness to his her character. It doesn't, really. She's a dumb joke character like the rest of them. If she didn't receive any sort of re-design, there's absolutely zero chance the other are going to be. Normally I'd say it's excusable to a degree because nobody's really gonna raise a complaint against obscure American folklore figures like Bunyan being made into a joke chibi Servant, but stuff like Virgin Mary and Abraham van Helsing's really proof that Riyo's just a general bad influence. Not that this franchise is free from dumb shit like that what with stuff like Jaguar Man or Fat!Caesar existing, but Riyo continues to prove to be the embodiment of the worst parts of this franchise. The unfunny ebin memez side. |
| Riyo can design whatever he wants, but it won't be put in the game or even acknowledged if Nasu doesn't want it to. If Hellsing is a joke character, it's because Nasu wanted that. Also, Nobu, freaking Oda Nobunaga, and Okita are joke characters, and they're great, so eh. |
astroprogs said: If Hellsing is a joke character, it's because Nasu wanted that. Nobody said that isn't the case. In fact, Nasu's directly responsible for shit like Fat!Caesar and Jaguar Man, he's no saint. That said, Nasu also does absolutely not know how to say ''no'' to any of his industry pals so most of the dumb shit they come up with will fly past Nasu with green lights. It's most definitely Riyo's fault for even pitching these horrible ideas in the first place. Nasu is a good story-writer, but he's a hilariously terrible comedian. It's a bit mind-boggling that he genuinely finds ''Caesar is fat hehe'' to be a funny joke. Also, Nobu, freaking Oda Nobunaga, and Okita are joke characters, and they're great, so eh. Both of those also have proper designs and aren't implemented as chibi caricatures. Not to mention there's a dozen or so examples of them being treated as actually serious characters so in spite of their origin, they don't exist solely as gimmick jokes like Fat!Caesar might. |
| tfw I thought Bunyan was put in the gacha but it turns out it was just the bonus fp or something. got pissed and rolled thrice on the extra class banner. second one was lag for a fucking bronze link manipulator so that's salt. got Salieri on the third and it's good since I'm contemplating to roll on either the Caster or Extra class gssr bc I already have Jalter. regarding Riyo servants, tbh I just want bunny girl to have proper proportions thus resulting in proper doujins. I recall there was a fanart of one Riyo Assassin in non-chibi and she really looks nice. want to ask since astropogs brought it up, were the Guda servants like the Riyo ones in which they were first released in chibi form? |
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red-tomato said: regarding Riyo servants, tbh I just want bunny girl to have proper proportions thus resulting in proper doujins. want to ask since astropogs brought it up, were the Guda servants like the Riyo ones in which they were first released in chibi form? I feel you and yes Guda Servants were originally drawn as chibis in Koha Ace, but you can probably forget about that dream if or when they implement her into the game since Bunyan still being drawn by Riyo sets a pretty obvious precedent that that's just gonna remain the case for the rest. I recall there was a fanart of one Riyo Assassin in non-chibi and she really looks nice. There was, yes. It was drawn by Matsuryu (Helena's artist) as part of his speculation to her identity being Yoshiko Kawashima - which was, btw, a pretty neat idea as opposed to the 'transexual Hoover xd' identity. |
AirConditioner said: people still dream of Muramasa being released so why can't I :vbut you can probably forget about that dream jokes aside, I still hope they will redesign it in the future. the designs are actually somewhat thought out and has character (I think) so it was Helena's artist. I remember it was done by one that did a character but I didn't remember which one. |
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| You guys keep shitting on Riyo artstyle and I'm getting triggered I swear. She ( because I'm guessing Riyo is a girl ) style is awesome and not everything has to be fucking anime tiddies you guys, reeeeeeeeee. https://littleyelp.tumblr.com/ I really love her scott pilgrim like style. |
| Nah, Riyo's art looks really bad. Alright for chibi caricatures - although that's not for me, but anything semi-serious he tries to draw just looks awful. I don't find anything likeable in Scott Pilgrim's artstyle, so to each their own. |
| I don't know your definition of bad art. I mean Salieri and Mozart art is extremely bad ( For me ) but for some others is good. I won't even argue about art considering Art can be extremely subjective for humans, objective for most elitist idiots. But Riyo art ( even being biased ) isn't bad at all, not even mediocre. Maybe not great for all but is reasonable good. |
| Riyo FGO art is good in the sense that it perfectly portrays players' emotions lol though that Martha art on his tumblr is really good |
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Veromaye said: I don't know your definition of bad art. But Riyo art ( even being biased ) isn't bad at all, not even mediocre. Maybe not great for all but is reasonable good. Riyo is incapable of drawing anything that resembles a proper human body without making it seem like a caricature, thus making him an incredibly incompetent artist when it comes to drawing pictures that aren't meant to be exactly that - a caricature. Marshmallow-like bodies and unnecessarily wide faces is Riyo's staple for art even when attempting to draw more serious pictures. Scott Pilgrim draws much in the same style as you've said and I guess it might appeal to some people, but I personally find nothing likeable about it and think it's pretty inappropriate for actual official card art for the game itself. Not that Riyo's the only terrible artist in FGO, but the others I despise (such as Columbus' or Atalanta's artists) at least manage to make their characters not look like chibi caricatures. |
| Sorry, @astroprogs , the likes of Shrimp and Genkii have Anti-culture EX, which is impossible to revert, even for a genius like me. :^( In other news, game is so dead now rip. Can't wait to look back at this year's stats and see the massive dip in fucks given from march till july. |
mira-pyonMay 24, 2019 9:47 AM
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| Tfw dead FGO doesn't bother me cause I got a backlog of games to play. A Hat in Time is pretty good. |
| https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/bsgy0v/riyo_lancers_identity_implies_to_be_mary_anning/ Oh, Riyo!Saber and Riyo!Lancer seem to be Marjatta and Mary Anning respectively as opposed to Virgin Mary and Abraham van Helsing. Guess that nullifies some of my former complaints about him using non-obscure figures like Virgin Mary or Helsing.That's good. mira-pyon said: july. I-it's fine. J-june and July should have GudaGuda 4 and LB4 respectively so finally some interesting content is on the way. But yeah, unless they release a buttload of Servants for the latter half of the year, this is pretty much shaping up to be the laziest year of FGO to date. Next year may be better with 3 story chapters as opposed to 2, I guess. |
| So if the artist style is caricature-ish is unarguable bad? LOL That's just a standard for you, not a fact or a rule. I understand that you believe that FGO or any anime related must have a style that "resembles" human anatomy, or animeish?. But a big amount of anime characters do not resemble human anatomy besides their blank body because: eyes, hair, muscles and other details are not human like. At the end of the day is just subjectivity and nothing else. If you say that Riyo art is bad, well okay then. But Riyo art is not bad because he/she "can't draw anime style characters", it's nowhere near bad or mediocre, is just not your cup of tea and that's okay. I doubt, I highly doubt that IF Riyo artstyle was bad, he/she would have a fate segment or it even would be popular enough. If Riyo art was bad, he/she would be massacred like Aotsuki Takao was on his twitter after he made Parvati. But anyways I'll leave it here because if someone else makes a walltext is fine but if Vero does it "FUCKING USE SPOILER TAGS OR GO PM BITCH". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| took a look at last year's schedule for the following months. if we're going by that pattern, Guda4 will be the next event , followed by Summer 2018 rerun which will be what we get in June. for July, it'll be LB4 and then the anniversary - which hopefully will have an event with a welfare. then August will be Summer 2019. if Guda4 does happen before the Summer 2018 rerun, I hope the gacha isn't too tempting for me so that I can just wait another year for it |
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Veromaye said: So if the artist style is caricature-ish is unarguable bad? LOL That's just a standard for you, not a fact or a rule. I don't remember using the words ''objective'', ''rule'' or ''fact'' though. Moreover, I specifically used the phrasing ''to each their own'' in literally the first reply so dunno why you're getting agitated and bringing this point up. Everything is subjective. That's a given. There's no real point to bringing that up. I'm sure you don't require me to preface every post of mine with ''in my opinion'' for that to be apparent. I understand that you believe that FGO or any anime related must have a style that "resembles" human anatomy, or animeish?. But a big amount of anime characters do not resemble human anatomy besides their blank body because: eyes, hair, muscles and other details are not human like. I ask for the bare minimum of characters resembling humanoids, which Riyo's art really doesn't. Even among the artists in FGO I hate with a passion, only Riyo really proves to be incapable of drawing humanoid-like characters and always opts for chibi-like caricatures. Hell, I dislike it so much that I even refused to obtain Bunyan in FGO despite her being free because of how jarring a chibi caricature was to me among the other Servants in my inventory - in spite of how much of an autistic collectionist I am to the point where I don't even burn Servants I out-right dislike like Diarmuid. At the end of the day is just subjectivity and nothing else. I'm sure, but... it's nowhere near bad or mediocre ...the same applies here then? And you don't need to tell my it's not my cup of tea. ''To each their own'' is pretty much the same meaning, different wording. I doubt, I highly doubt that IF Riyo artstyle was bad, he/she would have a fate segment or it even would be popular enough. Why would that matter...? Are you saying that popularity is a good metric of quality? I mean I'm sure popularity equates to something being done right, but that's just semantics. It's not like there isn't a couple dozen artists in FGO that people despise yet made their way into officially drawing for the game because they had a pre-established following to justify being picked up by DW. If Riyo art was bad, he/she would be massacred like Aotsuki Takao was on his twitter after he made Parvati. And this comparison is incredibly dysfunctional. Takao got shat on because he was tasked with an immensely popular character and delivered results that didn't hold any real resemblance to said character - regardless if you think the art was good or not when you put aside who Parvati is supposed to be - plus was just unfortunate enough to be a victim of bad circumstances, since people were already plenty pissed over the fact that Sakura was made into a SR as opposed to SSR. It's not like Takao gets regularly shat on when he releases OC characters like Nezha. Not that many people say anything terrible to him in those cases. Besides, Riyo's following and popularity is derived from his comedy comics like Manga de Wakaru, which appropriately uses chibi caricatures instead of humanoid designs. Had you employed Riyo to draw a Sakura servant officially like Takao and the result was a chibi caricature-like art similar to Bunyan's official FGO in-game art, I'm sure you'd have had just as many people fuming at the mouth. |
AirConditionerMay 24, 2019 10:33 AM
| I'm not arguing about you disliking Riyo's art, I'm arguing about your opinion being more objective than subjective because you clearly said: Riyo is incapable of drawing anything that resembles a proper human body thus making him an incredibly incompetent artist Plus when it comes to drawing pictures that aren't meant to be exactly that But where is stated that FGO servants MUST be drawn like anime or like "proper human being" ( where this is nowhere the whole reality of fate since I would say 1/4 of servants barely have legit human characteristics. If this was the case, Riyo servant would've never been added. Maybe you're right that Riyo is incapable of drawing more accurately humane characters. But that doesn't make him a mediocre or incompetent artist. Artist are not forced to be able to draw any other style that exist. Some people are capable of recreating other's art style or any type of style. But those who can't do it aren't incompetent, huh. If you say Riyo sucks as an artist, then okay I won't argue your opinion. But to me that sounds the same as saying that Takeuchi sucks as an artist because he is unable to draw different faces and he's extremely lazy about poses. Which is a stupid argument to judge. Anyways I'm done, you dislike Riyo art, and he's incapable of making real humanoid bodies, ergo he's incompetent. Cool |
Veromaye said: I'm not arguing about you disliking Riyo's art, I'm arguing about your opinion being more objective than subjective because you clearly said: There's nothing in either of those two quotes that state any sort of objectivity, nor do I use any word choice that make it seem as such. Yes, I do think Riyo is incapable of drawing bla bla and that's a harsh way of putting it on purpose because it's my real opinion, but that's a statement of my subjective opinion that I believe Riyo is incapable of drawing. I'm not sure why you're inserting any sort of implications or statements that aren't present in the original quote. At that point, it feels like you're just arguing word choice rather than anything actually substantial. Besides, literally even in that post you quoted, I pretty clearly preface my conclusion with: and I guess it might appeal to some people, but I personally find nothing likeable about it And even then, who's to say Riyo being incapable of drawing isn't objectively true?** Are you not aware that saying ''Riyo is not incapable of drawing'' is in itself a subjective point of view rather than anything objectively true? **Disclaimer: This isn't a literal statement from me saying Riyo is objectively incapable of drawing so please don't get unnecessarily hung up on the ''objectively'' part But where is stated that FGO servants MUST be drawn like anime or like "proper human being" If this was the case, Riyo servant would've never been added. Nowhere, but how does this correlate to anything I said in the slightest? You're jumping to misunderstandings never stated that could have been easily avoided if you read - or re-read - what I said: I ask for the bare minimum of characters resembling humanoids The ''I'' here is obviously referring to what I personally deem to be a necessary metric for good art; not what is actually requested or required by DW's standards. ( where this is nowhere the whole reality of fate since I would say 1/4 of servants barely have legit human characteristics. Unless the Servant is specifically intended to not be humanoid in nature (such as Lobo), I find myself utterly incapable of finding a single Servant that isn't Riyo's creation which fails to resemble humanoid characteristics. But if you want me to put it in easier to understand terms, perhaps it'd be more productive to state that not a single Servant aside from Riyo's is drawn in a chibi art-style which creates quite the jarring image when they're put in the sea of other non-Riyo Servants. Maybe you're right that Riyo is incapable of drawing more accurately humane characters. Point in-case. But that doesn't make him a mediocre or incompetent artist. Artist are not forced to be able to draw any other style that exist. I've never stated otherwise for the second half, but when you're asking someone who has an inherent distaste for art-styles that are incapable of being adapted to non-chibi characters, I'm not sure what other answer than ''this artist' work is terrible'' did you expect. Some people are capable of recreating other's art style or any type of style. But those who can't do it aren't incompetent, huh. Nobody's talking about that. Being able to draw humanoid characters isn't really a specific art-style, it's part of what you expect every good artist to be capable of. For instance, I think Atalanta's artstyle in FGO looks awful in comparison to lets say Kamadeva's, but they both are pretty obviously drawn to be humanoid in spite of the fact that the two art-styles don't resemble each other in the slightest. But to me that sounds the same as saying that Takeuchi sucks as an artist because he is unable to draw different faces and he's extremely lazy about poses. Which is a stupid argument to judge. Takeuchi being incapable of drawing different faces is absolutely true and a real criticism for his art, but unlike with him, I struggle to find any qualities in Riyo's art that overcome the deficiencies I consider it to have. And while he's incapable of drawing different faces, he still draws a pretty face. It's repetitiveness is obviously a problem, but not as much of a problem as it would have been if that single asset looked terrible to boot. Anyways I'm done, you dislike Riyo art, and he's incapable of making real humanoid bodies, ergo he's incompetent. Cool Aight. |
| Btw where do you guys confirmed that Riyo is a guy? I mean I know Morii Shizuki and Wada Aruko are females because they say so and some others are clearly guys but to this day I'm unsure about Nasu gender. But I always thought that Riyo was a girl, I'm unsure why tho. Maybe because it draws more Yuri than anything, and most Yuri artist are females. |
| >most yuri artist are females ohoho... omoshiroi |
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| https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=412056196011306 Who was the one who said that hated Jalter? @Mei-o_Scarlett and @KaiserNazrin ? Also is that real? It's hard for me to know if that kind of stuffs are real Edit: Nvm it seems it's fake. Lol it really got me there. o_o |
VeromayeMay 24, 2019 1:58 PM
| When is summer and xmas? I dont even care about lastbelt anymore |
| bruh |
| Reading that reddit thread, I think it really puts into perspective how DW manages to get away with all these dead periods and slowly dwindling Servant releases each year. |
| Strange how reddit can throw a big-ass uproar over like a few quartz and dumb subreddit drama but don't really give a shit about this. Then again, it's mostly the NA fanbase who throw hissy-fits, so maybe the JP fanbase just has Stockholm Syndrome Veromaye said: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=412056196011306 Who was the one who said that hated Jalter? @Mei-o_Scarlett and @KaiserNazrin ? I dislike Jalter. And this felt satisfying. Anyways, rolled the Extra class gacha and got a Jeannu in a ticket, so fuck yea. My tank team is now more invincible. |
-Sherou-May 24, 2019 3:00 PM
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ShinsoPriest said: A Hat in Time is pretty good. Ayyy, good shit brother. I'm enjoying that while playing older classics as well. kei78 said: When is summer and xmas? I dont even care about lastbelt anymore Yes, this is the attitude I want now. I want to see how much more DW can test our patience. Hell you could feel something was off starting late February. No, anytime they lazy put up old banners for permanent Servants. I dare DW to give us only 1 Lost Belt chapter a year. Before you quote me and tell me it's 2 because patterns and statements I'll remind you things are always changing. On the plus side I've saved so much money. |
AirConditioner said: -snip- https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/bslph1/servants_released_between_january_and_may_the/ Lmao 2016: 17 males/12 females 2017: 7 males/ 8 females 2018: 6 males/ 5 females 2019: 1 male2 if you count Astraea/ 8 females Lol k Kinda hoping LB4 isn't a sausage fest, so I can save quartz for.... well male Servants are impossible, so maybe HanaKana Servant(common DW you know you want to). |
mira-pyonMay 24, 2019 3:57 PM
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| BUT KAMA IS A MALE !11111!!! |
| SO IS HOKUSA I!!!!!!!!111 and astraea sorry not sorry |
| At least Hokusai is completely present as part of the servant and not just some weird god possessing a girl with mental problems |
| Is it weird that I completely forgot Kama was male? Is this how they brainwash people about history? |
| I think it's ReDrop art being so good and Shitaya Noriko being a great VA that you just don't think about it. So yeah, brainwash |
| Well FGO's Kama can essentially be considered female, since male Kama was incinerated by Shiva, but was reincarnated and manifested into Dark Sakura and thus became a female goddess or at least that's how i understood it, so i could be wrong. |
-MahesvaraMay 24, 2019 6:41 PM
My Queens  |
| That sounds like a hecking good fan fic |
| That's what fate is for real world history and mythology |
My Queens |
| As always, you're right Iceberg-kun |
| Technically wouldn't every Lovecraft horror be a gender bent male |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
didn't notice at first due to the original art style but damn Nezha is hot |
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| Any female servant would be hot if you draw them in that style... |
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